*Updated Poll* Strongest Class In PVP

Ezareth

Nightblade

Derra wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

Vizier wrote: »

The groups running the map are Sorcs n DK's. Not NB. NB shines for Gank and move that's about it. Those absolutely WTF owning in any group conflict. Sorcs then DK's.


You dont' see small to large groups of NB farming resources and needing a Zerg to get rid of them. It's Sorcs, supported by DK (which they don't need) and you know it. That is who is ruling PvP right now.

Which skills do Sorcerors have that make them good food group play? I would personally rate them as weakest class for groups while I would put Templars as strongest class for groups. All other classes are optional, but Temper is a must for every group.

Well 1 sorc teleporting around in your grp for occasional random bugged BOL absorbs is good. But thats about the only grp utility sorcs have to offer.
Agree with your statement though.

Except so few people use magicka projectiles to attack players in groups that's next to useless. Streak is a far better option for a Sorc if you're going to be zerg-ballin or crown nut-hugging it up.

Sensesfail13

Nightblade

david.haypreub18_ESO wrote: »

Sensesfail13 wrote: »

This thread put the nail in the coffin for DK's, want any more proof that we were nerfed too far??? Read this thread I think I saw... 1 Dragonknight choice in 5 pages lol

And yet DKs have still gotten more than three times as many votes as Templars.

Imagine if DKs hadn't been OP for a year, but had been at the absolute bottom of the barrel for the entire time... and that's where Templars have been and remain.

Templars: 'just slower... by design'.

All I heard was bleh bleh bleh Im salty and Jesus beam is overpowered

jelliedsoup

Dragonknight

Vis wrote: »

jelliedsoup wrote: »

It's an interesting question ad i find Dk and sorcs the hardest.Nbs ambush me and will kill me in 2 but i will do the same to them. Soecs can zoom aroud the place without a care i n the world.


Many people dont seem to think about all the time an nb has to stay in stealth.

Or rather all the time NB "gets" to be in stealth. My sorc can zoom, but he is always 2-shot death away. Anything but being without a care in the world.

Magicka NBs can, I get 2 or 3 dark cloaks being a stam NB. Given so many things bring me out of stealth, it's not something i depend on. Roll dodging is the best chance I have.

I have never 2 shot any sorc and I have 3700 weapon power, most have ward up constantly.

I only have 20k health and the invasion, talons, flame lash will kill me in 3 seconds. With block casting I cannot kill a DK. Fear does nothing, as the GDB spam and blocking DK cannot be killed.

Cinbri

Nightblade

Derra wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

Vizier wrote: »

The groups running the map are Sorcs n DK's. Not NB. NB shines for Gank and move that's about it. Those absolutely WTF owning in any group conflict. Sorcs then DK's.


You dont' see small to large groups of NB farming resources and needing a Zerg to get rid of them. It's Sorcs, supported by DK (which they don't need) and you know it. That is who is ruling PvP right now.

Which skills do Sorcerors have that make them good food group play? I would personally rate them as weakest class for groups while I would put Templars as strongest class for groups. All other classes are optional, but Temper is a must for every group.

Well 1 sorc teleporting around in your grp for occasional random bugged BOL absorbs is good. But thats about the only grp utility sorcs have to offer.
Agree with your statement though.

I would trade entire Dawn Wrath tree just to get Encase spell.

Joy_Division

Cinbri wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

Vizier wrote: »

The groups running the map are Sorcs n DK's. Not NB. NB shines for Gank and move that's about it. Those absolutely WTF owning in any group conflict. Sorcs then DK's.


You dont' see small to large groups of NB farming resources and needing a Zerg to get rid of them. It's Sorcs, supported by DK (which they don't need) and you know it. That is who is ruling PvP right now.

Which skills do Sorcerors have that make them good food group play? I would personally rate them as weakest class for groups while I would put Templars as strongest class for groups. All other classes are optional, but Temper is a must for every group.

Well 1 sorc teleporting around in your grp for occasional random bugged BOL absorbs is good. But thats about the only grp utility sorcs have to offer.
Agree with your statement though.

I would trade entire Dawn Wrath tree just to get Encase spell.

I wouldn't go that far...

Cinbri

Nightblade

Joy_Division wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

Vizier wrote: »

The groups running the map are Sorcs n DK's. Not NB. NB shines for Gank and move that's about it. Those absolutely WTF owning in any group conflict. Sorcs then DK's.


You dont' see small to large groups of NB farming resources and needing a Zerg to get rid of them. It's Sorcs, supported by DK (which they don't need) and you know it. That is who is ruling PvP right now.

Which skills do Sorcerors have that make them good food group play? I would personally rate them as weakest class for groups while I would put Templars as strongest class for groups. All other classes are optional, but Temper is a must for every group.

Well 1 sorc teleporting around in your grp for occasional random bugged BOL absorbs is good. But thats about the only grp utility sorcs have to offer.
Agree with your statement though.

I would trade entire Dawn Wrath tree just to get Encase spell.

I wouldn't go that far...

Well. Eclipse - definition of bug. RD - all my battles are 2vX where it useless. Sun Fire - pathetic damage. Backlash - useless in PvP. Nova - don't remember when i used it in PvP last time. Dark Flare - is only skill i use from skill tree and only coz Jabs are ruined. Definetly, i don't mind to remove those useless spells and give me aoe root.
EDIT: Must say i lying about Eclipse - i started to use it now to proc hp desync bug on enemy and proc CC bug on RD casters (i know i'm a bad person).

Derra

Nightblade

Cinbri wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

Vizier wrote: »

The groups running the map are Sorcs n DK's. Not NB. NB shines for Gank and move that's about it. Those absolutely WTF owning in any group conflict. Sorcs then DK's.


You dont' see small to large groups of NB farming resources and needing a Zerg to get rid of them. It's Sorcs, supported by DK (which they don't need) and you know it. That is who is ruling PvP right now.

Which skills do Sorcerors have that make them good food group play? I would personally rate them as weakest class for groups while I would put Templars as strongest class for groups. All other classes are optional, but Temper is a must for every group.

Well 1 sorc teleporting around in your grp for occasional random bugged BOL absorbs is good. But thats about the only grp utility sorcs have to offer.
Agree with your statement though.

I would trade entire Dawn Wrath tree just to get Encase spell.

The groups i´m playing with are most likely too small - i admit that i have no clue about grps with more than 5 ppl since the launch of 1.6.
Before you had many DKs to root targets so the sorc root was pretty obsolete. I can imagine the snare is useful now though!

ToRelax

Nightblade

Derra wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

Vizier wrote: »

The groups running the map are Sorcs n DK's. Not NB. NB shines for Gank and move that's about it. Those absolutely WTF owning in any group conflict. Sorcs then DK's.


You dont' see small to large groups of NB farming resources and needing a Zerg to get rid of them. It's Sorcs, supported by DK (which they don't need) and you know it. That is who is ruling PvP right now.

Which skills do Sorcerors have that make them good food group play? I would personally rate them as weakest class for groups while I would put Templars as strongest class for groups. All other classes are optional, but Temper is a must for every group.

Well 1 sorc teleporting around in your grp for occasional random bugged BOL absorbs is good. But thats about the only grp utility sorcs have to offer.
Agree with your statement though.

I would trade entire Dawn Wrath tree just to get Encase spell.

The groups i´m playing with are most likely too small - i admit that i have no clue about grps with more than 5 ppl since the launch of 1.6.
Before you had many DKs to root targets so the sorc root was pretty obsolete. I can imagine the snare is useful now though!

The root is very useful, especially for an immobile Templar. Encase requires you to be closer to the target / stand inmidst them, wich you don't want in many situations.

Tankqull

Derra wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

Vizier wrote: »

The groups running the map are Sorcs n DK's. Not NB. NB shines for Gank and move that's about it. Those absolutely WTF owning in any group conflict. Sorcs then DK's.


You dont' see small to large groups of NB farming resources and needing a Zerg to get rid of them. It's Sorcs, supported by DK (which they don't need) and you know it. That is who is ruling PvP right now.

Which skills do Sorcerors have that make them good food group play? I would personally rate them as weakest class for groups while I would put Templars as strongest class for groups. All other classes are optional, but Temper is a must for every group.

Well 1 sorc teleporting around in your grp for occasional random bugged BOL absorbs is good. But thats about the only grp utility sorcs have to offer.
Agree with your statement though.

I would trade entire Dawn Wrath tree just to get Encase spell.

The groups i´m playing with are most likely too small - i admit that i have no clue about grps with more than 5 ppl since the launch of 1.6.
Before you had many DKs to root targets so the sorc root was pretty obsolete. I can imagine the snare is useful now though!

sadly the snare is only applied when the target has been rooted for the entire root duration.

baddabumb16_ESO

Dragonknight

I think you can answer this question as a bad, because this question each from a different perspective answered. for stamina nb is a Magicka dk as hell because flame lash ignore any dodge and dk sometimes just the stamina nb can kill by the broken mechanism. then does it look against a stamina dk again different. so each spec has each class its own light and heavy opponents. Depending on which view of a class judging the other classes. to get at this question never to the same result, so it tries not at first.

defilade__ESO

Garion wrote: »

Nightblade. Without question.

Ancile wrote: »

I used to hate fighting Sorcerers, but these days nightblades are by far the strongest class. It's so hard to counter their burst, cc, and mobility.

If they get the drop on you, yes, but once they are out in the open they die very fast. Nightblades are glass cannons. The dangerous classes are those that stand toe to toe with you and can slam their shields and reflects while still dealing out equal damage to yours

defilade__ESO

Sharee wrote: »

cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »

NB because you don't see them coming for that first initial hit, and because it's the only class in the game you have to use a pot to be on equal footing to fight against.

You could also say they are the only class that gets it's major mechanic easily negated by a potion.

I am not sure i would list that as a strength of the class.

Any class can use the invisibility potion and a detect potion will not see them. Go inviso, sneak up behind someone and do a heavy two hand attack followed by skill and follow up with your execute skill, and kill most players in under two seconds.

defilade__ESO

Sensesfail13 wrote: »

david.haypreub18_ESO wrote: »

Sensesfail13 wrote: »

This thread put the nail in the coffin for DK's, want any more proof that we were nerfed too far??? Read this thread I think I saw... 1 Dragonknight choice in 5 pages lol

And yet DKs have still gotten more than three times as many votes as Templars.

Imagine if DKs hadn't been OP for a year, but had been at the absolute bottom of the barrel for the entire time... and that's where Templars have been and remain.

Templars: 'just slower... by design'.

All I heard was bleh bleh bleh Im salty and Jesus beam is overpowered

The one thing i notice with that "Jesus beam" is that many times in a large battle I don't even know I'm being hit with it until I see my health dropping like a rock. It's just a soft whooshing sound, and the graphical effect and sounds of battle mask it.

ToRelax

Nightblade

defilade__ESO wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

Nightblade. Without question.

Ancile wrote: »

I used to hate fighting Sorcerers, but these days nightblades are by far the strongest class. It's so hard to counter their burst, cc, and mobility.

If they get the drop on you, yes, but once they are out in the open they die very fast. Nightblades are glass cannons. The dangerous classes are those that stand toe to toe with you and can slam their shields and reflects while still dealing out equal damage to yours

You don't have to play a NB as a glass cannon.

Soris

Nightblade

defilade__ESO wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

Nightblade. Without question.

Ancile wrote: »

I used to hate fighting Sorcerers, but these days nightblades are by far the strongest class. It's so hard to counter their burst, cc, and mobility.

If they get the drop on you, yes, but once they are out in the open they die very fast. Nightblades are glass cannons. The dangerous classes are those that stand toe to toe with you and can slam their shields and reflects while still dealing out equal damage to yours

Facepalm.

defilade__ESO wrote: »

Any class can use the invisibility potion

And that's a very inadequate argument to defend cloak.

Soris

Nightblade

ToRelax wrote: »

defilade__ESO wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

Nightblade. Without question.

Ancile wrote: »

I used to hate fighting Sorcerers, but these days nightblades are by far the strongest class. It's so hard to counter their burst, cc, and mobility.

If they get the drop on you, yes, but once they are out in the open they die very fast. Nightblades are glass cannons. The dangerous classes are those that stand toe to toe with you and can slam their shields and reflects while still dealing out equal damage to yours

You don't have to play a NB as a glass cannon.

I wouldn't say that glass cannon. Infinite dodge+cloak > All

Mayrael

Nightblade

NB is on the top of the food chain right now, and they know it. They just wont admitt it bc they are afraid of nerfs. NB has the best burst, great surviveabilty thanks to roll + cloak + dot heals like Rally and Vigor. Great synergy with stealth and stamina builds. Best cc in the game. Best synergy with Snipe (u can cast snipe and then cloak to have 100% crit chance thanks to slow animation ) or you can just fully charge heavy bow attack and while still holding the mouse button enter the cloak and you also will have 100% to hit fully charged heavy attack, that hits insane and recover your stamina. Not to mention things like 100% crit heals (on magica NB healing ward can heal you for almost 20k whenever you want, or dot heals that each tick is 100% crit).

Xsorus

Sorcerer

Mayrael wrote: »

NB is on the top of the food chain right now, and they know it. They just wont admitt it bc they are afraid of nerfs. NB has the best burst, great surviveabilty thanks to roll + cloak + dot heals like Rally and Vigor. Great synergy with stealth and stamina builds. Best cc in the game. Best synergy with Snipe (u can cast snipe and then cloak to have 100% crit chance thanks to slow animation ) or you can just fully charge heavy bow attack and while still holding the mouse button enter the cloak and you also will have 100% to hit fully charged heavy attack, that hits insane and recover your stamina. Not to mention things like 100% crit heals (on magica NB healing ward can heal you for almost 20k whenever you want, or dot heals that each tick is 100% crit).

While nightblades are powerful (though sorcs are more powerful) what you are describing is rather funny, because you are talking about the morph that a large majority of nightblades don't use in pvp because it becomes all but useless when fighting anyone with a dot. The 100% crit bonus simply isn't worth it when you can easily achieve 50 to 60% base anyway. Dark cloak is the better morph by far

Derra

Nightblade

Tankqull wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

Vizier wrote: »

The groups running the map are Sorcs n DK's. Not NB. NB shines for Gank and move that's about it. Those absolutely WTF owning in any group conflict. Sorcs then DK's.


You dont' see small to large groups of NB farming resources and needing a Zerg to get rid of them. It's Sorcs, supported by DK (which they don't need) and you know it. That is who is ruling PvP right now.

Which skills do Sorcerors have that make them good food group play? I would personally rate them as weakest class for groups while I would put Templars as strongest class for groups. All other classes are optional, but Temper is a must for every group.

Well 1 sorc teleporting around in your grp for occasional random bugged BOL absorbs is good. But thats about the only grp utility sorcs have to offer.
Agree with your statement though.

I would trade entire Dawn Wrath tree just to get Encase spell.

The groups i´m playing with are most likely too small - i admit that i have no clue about grps with more than 5 ppl since the launch of 1.6.
Before you had many DKs to root targets so the sorc root was pretty obsolete. I can imagine the snare is useful now though!

sadly the snare is only applied when the target has been rooted for the entire root duration.

That´s definetly been changed then. It used to snare even if targets instantly rolled out of the root.

Xsorus wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

NB is on the top of the food chain right now, and they know it. They just wont admitt it bc they are afraid of nerfs. NB has the best burst, great surviveabilty thanks to roll + cloak + dot heals like Rally and Vigor. Great synergy with stealth and stamina builds. Best cc in the game. Best synergy with Snipe (u can cast snipe and then cloak to have 100% crit chance thanks to slow animation ) or you can just fully charge heavy bow attack and while still holding the mouse button enter the cloak and you also will have 100% to hit fully charged heavy attack, that hits insane and recover your stamina. Not to mention things like 100% crit heals (on magica NB healing ward can heal you for almost 20k whenever you want, or dot heals that each tick is 100% crit).

While nightblades are powerful (though sorcs are more powerful) what you are describing is rather funny, because you are talking about the morph that a large majority of nightblades don't use in pvp because it becomes all but useless when fighting anyone with a dot. The 100% crit bonus simply isn't worth it when you can easily achieve 50 to 60% base anyway. Dark cloak is the better morph by far

Aaand the frustrated DK with a NB twink tells ppl that sorcs are moar op than NBs again. Funny stuff.
He´s right with the cloak morph though.

Xsorus

Sorcerer

Derra wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

Vizier wrote: »

The groups running the map are Sorcs n DK's. Not NB. NB shines for Gank and move that's about it. Those absolutely WTF owning in any group conflict. Sorcs then DK's.


You dont' see small to large groups of NB farming resources and needing a Zerg to get rid of them. It's Sorcs, supported by DK (which they don't need) and you know it. That is who is ruling PvP right now.

Which skills do Sorcerors have that make them good food group play? I would personally rate them as weakest class for groups while I would put Templars as strongest class for groups. All other classes are optional, but Temper is a must for every group.

Well 1 sorc teleporting around in your grp for occasional random bugged BOL absorbs is good. But thats about the only grp utility sorcs have to offer.
Agree with your statement though.

I would trade entire Dawn Wrath tree just to get Encase spell.

The groups i´m playing with are most likely too small - i admit that i have no clue about grps with more than 5 ppl since the launch of 1.6.
Before you had many DKs to root targets so the sorc root was pretty obsolete. I can imagine the snare is useful now though!

sadly the snare is only applied when the target has been rooted for the entire root duration.

That´s definetly been changed then. It used to snare even if targets instantly rolled out of the root.

Xsorus wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

NB is on the top of the food chain right now, and they know it. They just wont admitt it bc they are afraid of nerfs. NB has the best burst, great surviveabilty thanks to roll + cloak + dot heals like Rally and Vigor. Great synergy with stealth and stamina builds. Best cc in the game. Best synergy with Snipe (u can cast snipe and then cloak to have 100% crit chance thanks to slow animation ) or you can just fully charge heavy bow attack and while still holding the mouse button enter the cloak and you also will have 100% to hit fully charged heavy attack, that hits insane and recover your stamina. Not to mention things like 100% crit heals (on magica NB healing ward can heal you for almost 20k whenever you want, or dot heals that each tick is 100% crit).

While nightblades are powerful (though sorcs are more powerful) what you are describing is rather funny, because you are talking about the morph that a large majority of nightblades don't use in pvp because it becomes all but useless when fighting anyone with a dot. The 100% crit bonus simply isn't worth it when you can easily achieve 50 to 60% base anyway. Dark cloak is the better morph by far

Aaand the frustrated DK with a NB twink tells ppl that sorcs are moar op than NBs again. Funny stuff.
He´s right with the cloak morph though.

Because it's true, the only thing that makes nightblades remotely stand a chance right now is if they use 5 piece nirnhoned.. Even then it's a 50/50 against a sorc.

Shadow-Fighter

Other (Please Explain)

... who has more Champion Points

Derra

Nightblade

Xsorus wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

Vizier wrote: »

The groups running the map are Sorcs n DK's. Not NB. NB shines for Gank and move that's about it. Those absolutely WTF owning in any group conflict. Sorcs then DK's.


You dont' see small to large groups of NB farming resources and needing a Zerg to get rid of them. It's Sorcs, supported by DK (which they don't need) and you know it. That is who is ruling PvP right now.

Which skills do Sorcerors have that make them good food group play? I would personally rate them as weakest class for groups while I would put Templars as strongest class for groups. All other classes are optional, but Temper is a must for every group.

Well 1 sorc teleporting around in your grp for occasional random bugged BOL absorbs is good. But thats about the only grp utility sorcs have to offer.
Agree with your statement though.

I would trade entire Dawn Wrath tree just to get Encase spell.

The groups i´m playing with are most likely too small - i admit that i have no clue about grps with more than 5 ppl since the launch of 1.6.
Before you had many DKs to root targets so the sorc root was pretty obsolete. I can imagine the snare is useful now though!

sadly the snare is only applied when the target has been rooted for the entire root duration.

That´s definetly been changed then. It used to snare even if targets instantly rolled out of the root.

Xsorus wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

NB is on the top of the food chain right now, and they know it. They just wont admitt it bc they are afraid of nerfs. NB has the best burst, great surviveabilty thanks to roll + cloak + dot heals like Rally and Vigor. Great synergy with stealth and stamina builds. Best cc in the game. Best synergy with Snipe (u can cast snipe and then cloak to have 100% crit chance thanks to slow animation ) or you can just fully charge heavy bow attack and while still holding the mouse button enter the cloak and you also will have 100% to hit fully charged heavy attack, that hits insane and recover your stamina. Not to mention things like 100% crit heals (on magica NB healing ward can heal you for almost 20k whenever you want, or dot heals that each tick is 100% crit).

While nightblades are powerful (though sorcs are more powerful) what you are describing is rather funny, because you are talking about the morph that a large majority of nightblades don't use in pvp because it becomes all but useless when fighting anyone with a dot. The 100% crit bonus simply isn't worth it when you can easily achieve 50 to 60% base anyway. Dark cloak is the better morph by far

Aaand the frustrated DK with a NB twink tells ppl that sorcs are moar op than NBs again. Funny stuff.
He´s right with the cloak morph though.

Because it's true, the only thing that makes nightblades remotely stand a chance right now is if they use 5 piece nirnhoned.. Even then it's a 50/50 against a sorc.

Your definition of "true" is a funny one. I believe with the current balance NB (without nirnhoned, with vigor) is superior to sorcerer in every situation except for a direct 1v1 fight between those two classes. With Nirn i´d give the edge to the nightblade even 1v1 as the NB becomes practically becomes unkillable by a single magica sorc while still having the ability to burst the sorc if the CC-break on fear glitches once.

It´s completely perception based and just bc you proclaim sth. it´s not true by any means.

The earth is flat bc it looks like that when i open my curtains thus it must be true...

defilade__ESO

Soris wrote: »

defilade__ESO wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

Nightblade. Without question.

Ancile wrote: »

I used to hate fighting Sorcerers, but these days nightblades are by far the strongest class. It's so hard to counter their burst, cc, and mobility.

If they get the drop on you, yes, but once they are out in the open they die very fast. Nightblades are glass cannons. The dangerous classes are those that stand toe to toe with you and can slam their shields and reflects while still dealing out equal damage to yours

Facepalm.

defilade__ESO wrote: »

Any class can use the invisibility potion

And that's a very inadequate argument to defend cloak.

I get what you are saying, but I was not defending cloak. I was just stating that any class can pop a potion and attack you from behind and you will never see him coming even with a detect pot.

OdinForge

Other (Please Explain)

It's true @Xsorus , people are confusing NB power with a broken armor trait.

It's funny how squishy they are without nirn. I'm working on a video that compares a NB FoTM build with and without nirn. People complain about roll dodge, and they don't even realize how easy it is to beat.

Radburn

Nightblade

Zhoyzu wrote: »

Voted templars, still cant kill the *** and i get wrecked when i try.

My Kill counter stats shows NBs as my most killed class, NB are also my most killed by class.
It also shows least kills on templars.

I read this as there are more Night blades running around in Cyrodil and Templars are becoming extinct. A by-product of everyone re-rolling the current OP class which will eventually see Cyrodil become a stealth gank fest (It already feels that way)

cozmon3c_ESO

Nightblade

Damn perma block builds, just saying lol (stam sorc has no real way to bypass block and 1k wrecking blows, come on zos).
Damn stealth burst damage builds, no chance to react.
Damn Jesus f'ing Beam F'ers, making 1vX impossible.
Damn all the crap that isnt supposed to go through dodge but does anyway (magicka sorc is weakest against dodge rollers).
Damn Hardened ward plus Healing ward (Stam sorc doesnt have any stam synergy passives like the other classes is probably the reason too low damage to burst that bubble)
Damn those laggy ass zerg balls running around EP making everyone quit the game (why are you killing the game on purpose?).
Damn the wait for the next fix and content update for the game!

Ibstronk

Sorcerer

Being a walking three shot, so basically just like every other class? What do you think happens if any other light armor class gets sneak attacked?

And this is good game design? That one class have the ability to three shot every other class?

Seth_Black

Nightblade

it's all down to player's skill anyway but as far as I can see skilled players are most deadly using NB

kojou

Templar

I have to go with Templar right now. Templars have great self healing and can do very high sustained DPS,

DK's have high damage mitigation and self healing, Sorcerers have strong damage shields. I know Nightblades have high burst and are great assassins (they're supposed to be), but Nightblades neither have great self healing or damage mitigation... I have rolled a woodelf nightblade since launch and stuck with him even though he sucked at first. He is my pvp character because I like that play style, but I am easy to kill if I don't have the drop on someone, or I am not running with a group.

Any good player with a lot of champion points can make a class seem OP though...

Quantine

Nightblade

jelliedsoup wrote: »

Vis wrote: »

jelliedsoup wrote: »

It's an interesting question ad i find Dk and sorcs the hardest.Nbs ambush me and will kill me in 2 but i will do the same to them. Soecs can zoom aroud the place without a care i n the world.


Many people dont seem to think about all the time an nb has to stay in stealth.

Or rather all the time NB "gets" to be in stealth. My sorc can zoom, but he is always 2-shot death away. Anything but being without a care in the world.

Magicka NBs can, I get 2 or 3 dark cloaks being a stam NB. Given so many things bring me out of stealth, it's not something i depend on. Roll dodging is the best chance I have.

I have never 2 shot any sorc and I have 3700 weapon power, most have ward up constantly.

I only have 20k health and the invasion, talons, flame lash will kill me in 3 seconds. With block casting I cannot kill a DK. Fear does nothing, as the GDB spam and blocking DK cannot be killed.

If you die quick to DKs (or anyone), why not try to go for more survivability? If you have 3.7k weapon damage, this means that you're probably very very squishy and sacrificing on regens and defense. This will give you an advantage only if you're ganking people, but if you don't kill but the person fights back, or in 1vX, you'll be in trouble. You don't really need such high weapon damage, I have more than 1k less than you and have no problems killing people of every class. I don't even have vigor yet on my NB (but coming soon, yummy) and have also a little less than 20k HP. It works.

And ofc you can kill tanky DKs. Just patience until you drain their stamina, save your ult for those moments, do your combos and you'll get it eventually. There are very few really good DKs, who you'll have trouble against. But it's not because they're DKs, it's because they are very good players.

I actually believe that every class has wonderful tools at their disposal, it's just that for some classes, the path to a good build is more obvious than for others (hasn't it always been like that?). There might be some imbalances (like people sniping from stealth being able to one-shot others without those having a chance to react due to game bugs), but overall I have been seeing much variety of builds in Cyrodiil for each class, all viable and strong when paired with player's skill. I think NBs are slightly stronger than the other classes atm, but not to a point where I would say a lot stronger, not even close to the extent DKs used to be much stronger than the rest.