*Updated Poll* Strongest Class In PVP

Armitas

Sorcerer

I have noticed a whole lot of sorc PvP videos, and not a lot of NB vids. That alone doesn't suggest it's sorcs but it does speak to their versatility, or to the fact that a 5m video of a NB "1" shotting players and disappearing would be really boring. It may also mean NB are just smarter than us DK's who got ourselves nerfed from tons of 1vX videos.

OdinForge

Other (Please Explain)

Sanct16 wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Vis wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

How does one dodge roll while stunned? No *** you can just roll it, but your not going to have 100% uptime on it if a sorc is any good at all. Anything else you want to point out captain obvious?

Sure. I was responding to your (bolded) complaint about overload. If you're now complaining about the 2-second knock down from crystal frags, be aware to block, reflect, break free, and (yes) dodge roll to mitigate that, not to mention a sorc's general effectiveness.

I complained about crystal frags? No sorry friend if im rolling crystal doesn't hit, its streak that hits through roll to stun me. CC break is too slow your gonna take at least one hit and with no class heals that are worth a damn that is a death sentence. Roll is so *** useless against an experienced opponent im just switching to a more tanky build. With how popular roll spam builds are now almost everyone carrys a tool to counter it and its just not worth doing. People please remember if a nb is rolling its cause it cant take any damage or its ***. One soul assault, a few radiants, or any other un rollable attack royally screws us over.

Why do you keep posting this false information? You seem awfully proud to display your skill level deficiencies in a thread that shows that most people feel NB is the most powerful class.

OK correct me then? What is not true? NO really go ahead i want to make you eat those words. Radiant does IN FACT hit rollers. Soul assault does in fact hit rollers. CC break does in fact take long enough to let someone hit you. I mean if thats not true in your experience, maybe, just maybe your the one lacking skill? I love some people.... cant think of anything to say worth reading-->insult.

If you're a nightblade you can instantly interrupt both channels with cloak. What's there to complain about?

Edit: 1000th comment. Woot!

Yeah........so what your saying is radiant can hit rollers and I am right? Im not the one complaining, im telling people what to do if they face a roll spammer. If I teach enough of these "nb op plz nerf" people how to counter the current nb build everyone uses maybe they will change their mind. Want to know what to do once we cloak out of radiant or soul assault? Go defensive because we will either attack shortly after or we will just *** off. If we run away then guess what? You won because your holding your ground and we are forced to retreat. Depending on your setup their is even ways to just continue attacking us after we cloak away. Lots of things that dark cloak doesn't remove like a sorcs curse or magicka det. Pulls us right out of stealth so you can continue to beat on us and since we are mostly stam builds we wont get to cloak much more then 4 times. Especially if the fight has been going on a while and we are already low on magicka.

Now I honestly wish a sorc could give me a step by step like that on how to beat them, but i think we all know they cant. They have tried, but they assume we will have our ultimate and a sneak attack with 4k wp to burst their shield. Some nbs do play with that much weapon power and honestly even I find that stupid(more of a zenimax problem then a class problem), but you cant say nb is op just because its the only thing that can possibly solo your shields long enough to get some health damage.

Fear the sorc. There are barely any specs with enough staminaregeneration to cc break on CD.
Apart from that just keep dodging all the time and use smth like flying blade to animation cancel.

Last Nb I duelled had full nirn. My Cf crits hit him for around 5k. So even if I managed to cc him and focus him a bit he was far from dieing.

Nirnhoned is not exclusive to NB, stop using things like this to complain about a specific class. As a NB who doesn't use nirn I'm on the constant receiving end of 10K+ curses and frags. Have you fought a DK on full nirn with reflect?

A NB trying to kill you isn't going to roll dodge 24/7, stop blindly trying to hardcast CF on a dodger and out resource him while kiting him with skills like streak / curse / mines. It won't be a fast kill for either of you, if you can't resource manage your stamina like that idk what to tell you.

Erondil

Nightblade

OdinForge wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Vis wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

How does one dodge roll while stunned? No *** you can just roll it, but your not going to have 100% uptime on it if a sorc is any good at all. Anything else you want to point out captain obvious?

Sure. I was responding to your (bolded) complaint about overload. If you're now complaining about the 2-second knock down from crystal frags, be aware to block, reflect, break free, and (yes) dodge roll to mitigate that, not to mention a sorc's general effectiveness.

I complained about crystal frags? No sorry friend if im rolling crystal doesn't hit, its streak that hits through roll to stun me. CC break is too slow your gonna take at least one hit and with no class heals that are worth a damn that is a death sentence. Roll is so *** useless against an experienced opponent im just switching to a more tanky build. With how popular roll spam builds are now almost everyone carrys a tool to counter it and its just not worth doing. People please remember if a nb is rolling its cause it cant take any damage or its ***. One soul assault, a few radiants, or any other un rollable attack royally screws us over.

Why do you keep posting this false information? You seem awfully proud to display your skill level deficiencies in a thread that shows that most people feel NB is the most powerful class.

OK correct me then? What is not true? NO really go ahead i want to make you eat those words. Radiant does IN FACT hit rollers. Soul assault does in fact hit rollers. CC break does in fact take long enough to let someone hit you. I mean if thats not true in your experience, maybe, just maybe your the one lacking skill? I love some people.... cant think of anything to say worth reading-->insult.

If you're a nightblade you can instantly interrupt both channels with cloak. What's there to complain about?

Edit: 1000th comment. Woot!

Yeah........so what your saying is radiant can hit rollers and I am right? Im not the one complaining, im telling people what to do if they face a roll spammer. If I teach enough of these "nb op plz nerf" people how to counter the current nb build everyone uses maybe they will change their mind. Want to know what to do once we cloak out of radiant or soul assault? Go defensive because we will either attack shortly after or we will just *** off. If we run away then guess what? You won because your holding your ground and we are forced to retreat. Depending on your setup their is even ways to just continue attacking us after we cloak away. Lots of things that dark cloak doesn't remove like a sorcs curse or magicka det. Pulls us right out of stealth so you can continue to beat on us and since we are mostly stam builds we wont get to cloak much more then 4 times. Especially if the fight has been going on a while and we are already low on magicka.

Now I honestly wish a sorc could give me a step by step like that on how to beat them, but i think we all know they cant. They have tried, but they assume we will have our ultimate and a sneak attack with 4k wp to burst their shield. Some nbs do play with that much weapon power and honestly even I find that stupid(more of a zenimax problem then a class problem), but you cant say nb is op just because its the only thing that can possibly solo your shields long enough to get some health damage.

Fear the sorc. There are barely any specs with enough staminaregeneration to cc break on CD.
Apart from that just keep dodging all the time and use smth like flying blade to animation cancel.

Last Nb I duelled had full nirn. My Cf crits hit him for around 5k. So even if I managed to cc him and focus him a bit he was far from dieing.

Nirnhoned is not exclusive to NB, stop using things like this to complain about a specific class. As a NB who doesn't use nirn I'm on the constant receiving end of 10K+ curses and frags. Have you fought a DK on full nirn with reflect?

A NB trying to kill you isn't going to roll dodge 24/7, stop blindly trying to hardcast CF on a dodger and out resource him while kiting him with skills like streak / curse / mines. It won't be a fast kill for either of you, if you can't resource manage your stamina like that idk what to tell you.

A sorc trying to kill you isn't going to shield stack 24/7 either.

Nivzruo_ESO

Sorcerer

I'm a NB ganker, so really Tanks are OP imo.. and sorcs are the most tanky out there.

Draxys

Nightblade

MisterBigglesworth wrote: »

Caltrops.

...wait, what was the question?

the question was ERP?

xxslam48xxb14_ESO

Sorcerer

Sanct16 wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Vis wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

How does one dodge roll while stunned? No *** you can just roll it, but your not going to have 100% uptime on it if a sorc is any good at all. Anything else you want to point out captain obvious?

Sure. I was responding to your (bolded) complaint about overload. If you're now complaining about the 2-second knock down from crystal frags, be aware to block, reflect, break free, and (yes) dodge roll to mitigate that, not to mention a sorc's general effectiveness.

I complained about crystal frags? No sorry friend if im rolling crystal doesn't hit, its streak that hits through roll to stun me. CC break is too slow your gonna take at least one hit and with no class heals that are worth a damn that is a death sentence. Roll is so *** useless against an experienced opponent im just switching to a more tanky build. With how popular roll spam builds are now almost everyone carrys a tool to counter it and its just not worth doing. People please remember if a nb is rolling its cause it cant take any damage or its ***. One soul assault, a few radiants, or any other un rollable attack royally screws us over.

Why do you keep posting this false information? You seem awfully proud to display your skill level deficiencies in a thread that shows that most people feel NB is the most powerful class.

OK correct me then? What is not true? NO really go ahead i want to make you eat those words. Radiant does IN FACT hit rollers. Soul assault does in fact hit rollers. CC break does in fact take long enough to let someone hit you. I mean if thats not true in your experience, maybe, just maybe your the one lacking skill? I love some people.... cant think of anything to say worth reading-->insult.

If you're a nightblade you can instantly interrupt both channels with cloak. What's there to complain about?

Edit: 1000th comment. Woot!

Yeah........so what your saying is radiant can hit rollers and I am right? Im not the one complaining, im telling people what to do if they face a roll spammer. If I teach enough of these "nb op plz nerf" people how to counter the current nb build everyone uses maybe they will change their mind. Want to know what to do once we cloak out of radiant or soul assault? Go defensive because we will either attack shortly after or we will just *** off. If we run away then guess what? You won because your holding your ground and we are forced to retreat. Depending on your setup their is even ways to just continue attacking us after we cloak away. Lots of things that dark cloak doesn't remove like a sorcs curse or magicka det. Pulls us right out of stealth so you can continue to beat on us and since we are mostly stam builds we wont get to cloak much more then 4 times. Especially if the fight has been going on a while and we are already low on magicka.

Now I honestly wish a sorc could give me a step by step like that on how to beat them, but i think we all know they cant. They have tried, but they assume we will have our ultimate and a sneak attack with 4k wp to burst their shield. Some nbs do play with that much weapon power and honestly even I find that stupid(more of a zenimax problem then a class problem), but you cant say nb is op just because its the only thing that can possibly solo your shields long enough to get some health damage.

Fear the sorc. There are barely any specs with enough staminaregeneration to cc break on CD.
Apart from that just keep dodging all the time and use smth like flying blade to animation cancel.

Last Nb I duelled had full nirn. My Cf crits hit him for around 5k. So even if I managed to cc him and focus him a bit he was far from dieing.

I have managed to get a good sorc out of stamina before, but what happened was his shield just barely carried him through the entire fear and bolted to safety. Idk what kinda shields the sorcs you deal with have, but some are like the sorc equivalent of nbs with 4k weapon power. Those sorcs got shields good enough to take on two people at once and usually require a combined effort of multiple people to kill. I know you must have seen this before right? Feels like I find one of these little beauties at least once per day. There are more balanced sorcs out their and they can be handled with not too much difficulty. I think when people find nb op its because its the extreme weapon power nbs and we find the extreme shield sorcs op. Maybe it isn't a class problem and its just an overall stacking too much stats problem. I still believe at least some kinda compromise should be made with all shields and maybe an anti shield move is too much, but could they at least not be crit proof? Your not tanks and have no place being that tanky in light armor.

ToRelax

Nightblade

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Vis wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

How does one dodge roll while stunned? No *** you can just roll it, but your not going to have 100% uptime on it if a sorc is any good at all. Anything else you want to point out captain obvious?

Sure. I was responding to your (bolded) complaint about overload. If you're now complaining about the 2-second knock down from crystal frags, be aware to block, reflect, break free, and (yes) dodge roll to mitigate that, not to mention a sorc's general effectiveness.

I complained about crystal frags? No sorry friend if im rolling crystal doesn't hit, its streak that hits through roll to stun me. CC break is too slow your gonna take at least one hit and with no class heals that are worth a damn that is a death sentence. Roll is so *** useless against an experienced opponent im just switching to a more tanky build. With how popular roll spam builds are now almost everyone carrys a tool to counter it and its just not worth doing. People please remember if a nb is rolling its cause it cant take any damage or its ***. One soul assault, a few radiants, or any other un rollable attack royally screws us over.

Why do you keep posting this false information? You seem awfully proud to display your skill level deficiencies in a thread that shows that most people feel NB is the most powerful class.

OK correct me then? What is not true? NO really go ahead i want to make you eat those words. Radiant does IN FACT hit rollers. Soul assault does in fact hit rollers. CC break does in fact take long enough to let someone hit you. I mean if thats not true in your experience, maybe, just maybe your the one lacking skill? I love some people.... cant think of anything to say worth reading-->insult.

If you're a nightblade you can instantly interrupt both channels with cloak. What's there to complain about?

Edit: 1000th comment. Woot!

Yeah........so what your saying is radiant can hit rollers and I am right? Im not the one complaining, im telling people what to do if they face a roll spammer. If I teach enough of these "nb op plz nerf" people how to counter the current nb build everyone uses maybe they will change their mind. Want to know what to do once we cloak out of radiant or soul assault? Go defensive because we will either attack shortly after or we will just *** off. If we run away then guess what? You won because your holding your ground and we are forced to retreat. Depending on your setup their is even ways to just continue attacking us after we cloak away. Lots of things that dark cloak doesn't remove like a sorcs curse or magicka det. Pulls us right out of stealth so you can continue to beat on us and since we are mostly stam builds we wont get to cloak much more then 4 times. Especially if the fight has been going on a while and we are already low on magicka.

Now I honestly wish a sorc could give me a step by step like that on how to beat them, but i think we all know they cant. They have tried, but they assume we will have our ultimate and a sneak attack with 4k wp to burst their shield. Some nbs do play with that much weapon power and honestly even I find that stupid(more of a zenimax problem then a class problem), but you cant say nb is op just because its the only thing that can possibly solo your shields long enough to get some health damage.

Fear the sorc. There are barely any specs with enough staminaregeneration to cc break on CD.
Apart from that just keep dodging all the time and use smth like flying blade to animation cancel.

Last Nb I duelled had full nirn. My Cf crits hit him for around 5k. So even if I managed to cc him and focus him a bit he was far from dieing.

I have managed to get a good sorc out of stamina before, but what happened was his shield just barely carried him through the entire fear and bolted to safety. Idk what kinda shields the sorcs you deal with have, but some are like the sorc equivalent of nbs with 4k weapon power. Those sorcs got shields good enough to take on two people at once and usually require a combined effort of multiple people to kill. I know you must have seen this before right? Feels like I find one of these little beauties at least once per day. There are more balanced sorcs out their and they can be handled with not too much difficulty. I think when people find nb op its because its the extreme weapon power nbs and we find the extreme shield sorcs op. Maybe it isn't a class problem and its just an overall stacking too much stats problem. I still believe at least some kinda compromise should be made with all shields and maybe an anti shield move is too much, but could they at least not be crit proof? Your not tanks and have no place being that tanky in light armor.

You can't kill a Sorc + shield doing nothing within 4 seconds? Wow.
Besides that, never assume because someone doesn't break fear one time he's oos... maybe he just couldn't break.

Etaniel

Nightblade

From my personnal experience, nightblade is the bigger pain in the ass for : loads of burst that forces me to play defensive the whole time, *** fear animation that forces you to go through 2 sec where you can't control your character before you can get control again. But in a 1vX, the most annoying is the random templar that jesus beams. I think in group play temp is the strongest, because you can't kill anything unless he's dead. Temp is definitely weakest solo though

Soris

Nightblade

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Your not tanks and have no place being that tanky in light armor.

Just got myself a brand new heavy armor set. Have tons of armor and resist when buffed, plus 10k Blazing Shield thanks to my high health pool.
Dueled with a sorc who has 18k health at most, uber dangerous and tanky as me while in light armor. I couldn't kill her and yet she couldn't kill me. But the point is my Wrecking Blows were almost non existent on her due to the shield stacking and mostly because of my mediocre stamina pool and weapon power. Yet she were able to land couple successful big hits on me between my blazing shields, while also having same amount of defensive capabilities as me.
This is the problem itself from my eyes.

xxslam48xxb14_ESO

Sorcerer

ToRelax wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Vis wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

How does one dodge roll while stunned? No *** you can just roll it, but your not going to have 100% uptime on it if a sorc is any good at all. Anything else you want to point out captain obvious?

Sure. I was responding to your (bolded) complaint about overload. If you're now complaining about the 2-second knock down from crystal frags, be aware to block, reflect, break free, and (yes) dodge roll to mitigate that, not to mention a sorc's general effectiveness.

I complained about crystal frags? No sorry friend if im rolling crystal doesn't hit, its streak that hits through roll to stun me. CC break is too slow your gonna take at least one hit and with no class heals that are worth a damn that is a death sentence. Roll is so *** useless against an experienced opponent im just switching to a more tanky build. With how popular roll spam builds are now almost everyone carrys a tool to counter it and its just not worth doing. People please remember if a nb is rolling its cause it cant take any damage or its ***. One soul assault, a few radiants, or any other un rollable attack royally screws us over.

Why do you keep posting this false information? You seem awfully proud to display your skill level deficiencies in a thread that shows that most people feel NB is the most powerful class.

OK correct me then? What is not true? NO really go ahead i want to make you eat those words. Radiant does IN FACT hit rollers. Soul assault does in fact hit rollers. CC break does in fact take long enough to let someone hit you. I mean if thats not true in your experience, maybe, just maybe your the one lacking skill? I love some people.... cant think of anything to say worth reading-->insult.

If you're a nightblade you can instantly interrupt both channels with cloak. What's there to complain about?

Edit: 1000th comment. Woot!

Yeah........so what your saying is radiant can hit rollers and I am right? Im not the one complaining, im telling people what to do if they face a roll spammer. If I teach enough of these "nb op plz nerf" people how to counter the current nb build everyone uses maybe they will change their mind. Want to know what to do once we cloak out of radiant or soul assault? Go defensive because we will either attack shortly after or we will just *** off. If we run away then guess what? You won because your holding your ground and we are forced to retreat. Depending on your setup their is even ways to just continue attacking us after we cloak away. Lots of things that dark cloak doesn't remove like a sorcs curse or magicka det. Pulls us right out of stealth so you can continue to beat on us and since we are mostly stam builds we wont get to cloak much more then 4 times. Especially if the fight has been going on a while and we are already low on magicka.

Now I honestly wish a sorc could give me a step by step like that on how to beat them, but i think we all know they cant. They have tried, but they assume we will have our ultimate and a sneak attack with 4k wp to burst their shield. Some nbs do play with that much weapon power and honestly even I find that stupid(more of a zenimax problem then a class problem), but you cant say nb is op just because its the only thing that can possibly solo your shields long enough to get some health damage.

Fear the sorc. There are barely any specs with enough staminaregeneration to cc break on CD.
Apart from that just keep dodging all the time and use smth like flying blade to animation cancel.

Last Nb I duelled had full nirn. My Cf crits hit him for around 5k. So even if I managed to cc him and focus him a bit he was far from dieing.

I have managed to get a good sorc out of stamina before, but what happened was his shield just barely carried him through the entire fear and bolted to safety. Idk what kinda shields the sorcs you deal with have, but some are like the sorc equivalent of nbs with 4k weapon power. Those sorcs got shields good enough to take on two people at once and usually require a combined effort of multiple people to kill. I know you must have seen this before right? Feels like I find one of these little beauties at least once per day. There are more balanced sorcs out their and they can be handled with not too much difficulty. I think when people find nb op its because its the extreme weapon power nbs and we find the extreme shield sorcs op. Maybe it isn't a class problem and its just an overall stacking too much stats problem. I still believe at least some kinda compromise should be made with all shields and maybe an anti shield move is too much, but could they at least not be crit proof? Your not tanks and have no place being that tanky in light armor.

You can't kill a Sorc + shield doing nothing within 4 seconds? Wow.
Besides that, never assume because someone doesn't break fear one time he's oos... maybe he just couldn't break.

Man you got no idea the sorcs i fight on thornblade and im not a 4k weapon power nb either, so dont lump us all in that category. I did get health damage though, but you got to remember the biggest nb burst is from stealth and if you dont have an ultimate up what am I gonna do? Wrecking blow? Were it so easy.......... It was so close though, I would have had him if I could crit the shield I know it! Ive pretty much just accepted I cant 1v1 sorcs though so I just went sword n board to last long enough for team mates to chase their coward sorc butts out of my life. They will get their comeuppance some day and I will be there to punish them for their.......they will just reroll the new fotm wont they? ****!

Soris wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Your not tanks and have no place being that tanky in light armor.

Just got myself a brand new heavy armor set. Have tons of armor and resist when buffed, plus 10k Blazing Shield thanks to my high health pool.
Dueled with a sorc who has 18k health at most, uber dangerous and tanky as me while in light armor. I couldn't kill her and yet she couldn't kill me. But the point is my Wrecking Blows were almost non existent on her due to the shield stacking and mostly because of my mediocre stamina pool and weapon power. Yet she were able to land couple successful big hits on me between my blazing shields, while also having same amount of defensive capabilities as me.
This is the problem itself from my eyes.

Exactly man! honestly their damage is really good, but not anymore crazy then what I have seen all other classes do(yes even templars have done some crazy damage). Its just the insane damage they can take. I expect this kinda durability from a tank and its completely out of line when a dps does the same. The real kicker is that at least a tank can be feared out of his block, a shield has no counter. The fact they can just slap another one on even before I have managed to break the first one..........ugh! Idk how much health a sorc gets off those shields, but even a heal spell that heals for full health wouldn't be as op. A heal spell can be countered with disease and other heal reduction skills. No such counter exists for shields! I think thats why I don't have a problem with the templars slamming their whole health bar back up because I can stop alot of it if I skill for it. I dont have problems with dodge rollers or cloakers either because I know what I can do to stop them. We need an answer to the shield just like all other forms of defense!

Sanct16

Nightblade

The big difference that makes dodge better than shields is that you can still attack while dodging. Jf I get focussed on spec and have to speak shield I have no way to do damage. I might not die but I won't win either. If I go offensive its unlikely that I will kill him with all his dodges and he can still hit me with his offensive abilities taking down my shield pretty fast. And if I don't have wards up Im pretty much dead as it takes him only 2-3 hits to kill me from full health. Sure Sorc is strong and killing 95% of the players suck anyway so killing them is no problem with any class but when it comes to actually decent players I think that Nb is just a bit better overall. Better CC, dodge>shields, cheap high damage ultimate.

Soris

Nightblade

NBs are dangerous indeed if you are unaware or not paying much attention. But there are easy counters like spear shards or fossilise to force stop dodge rolling. Plus mage light and detect potions. Or caltrops etc.. There are many.

Shield stacking sorcs are pain in the ass with all their 3 different shield stacks and streak. And they have no counter other than having massive burst to break all shields.

Tho I voted for nightblades because they can kill you before you even notice what hit you. But I give you my respect sorcs. You are my second ^^

Sanct16

Nightblade

Soris wrote: »

NBs are dangerous indeed if you are unaware or not paying much attention. But there are easy counters like spear shards or fossilise to force stop dodge rolling. Plus mage light and detect potions. Or caltrops etc.. There are many.

Shield stacking sorcs are pain in the ass with all their 3 different shield stacks and streak. And they have no counter other than having massive burst to break all shields.

Tho I voted for nightblades because they can kill you before you even notice what hit you. But I give you my respect sorcs. You are my second ^^

Against Stamina builds you only have two shield and unless you are low health healing ward doesn't do too much either.
But yea Sorcs and Nbs are ahead of Templars and DKs by quite some margin.

xxslam48xxb14_ESO

Sorcerer

Sanct16 wrote: »

The big difference that makes dodge better than shields is that you can still attack while dodging. Jf I get focussed on spec and have to speak shield I have no way to do damage. I might not die but I won't win either. If I go offensive its unlikely that I will kill him with all his dodges and he can still hit me with his offensive abilities taking down my shield pretty fast. And if I don't have wards up Im pretty much dead as it takes him only 2-3 hits to kill me from full health. Sure Sorc is strong and killing 95% of the players suck anyway so killing them is no problem with any class but when it comes to actually decent players I think that Nb is just a bit better overall. Better CC, dodge>shields, cheap high damage ultimate.

NO, you cannot attack while rolling and you can in fact damage with a shield up. You can actually even be hit in between rolls and thats normally how they end up getting killed. Now I am getting told I am spreading false info? The best part is rolling isn't even nb exclusive yet its always reason #1 from whiners as to why we need to get nerfed. I am getting a little tired having to constantly tell sorcs how to play their own class, but read this time because its the last time im going to tell you guys. If a nb is roll spamming or cloak spamming you got some pretty good options to deal with it. Streak hits a nb even while hes rolling and stuns him so you can set up some real damage. You got curse which if applied before he cloaks will detonate during his invisibility and pull him out of it early so you can re curse him until he can no longer cast it. Magicka detonation works for that purpose as well and both these moves if applied before a roll cannot be dodged. If you want to end him fast you can wait till hes about half health and soul assault him dead in a near instant(not everyone is wearing full nirnhoned) and thats what I do as a nb to kill my annoying brethren. They can cloak it, but you got your curse and I got my mark so he ain't getting far and that is how we deal with cowards. Be wary that he might try to line of sight you just long enough for your curse to run out and then he will cloak so you cant pull him out. Always stay on top of him and remember nbs have terrible self heals, most only have rally which is not the greatest. Dont be scared of him, hes a class that relies on stealth and abusing high weapon power to end conflicts before they can get serious. Your a class that excels at open combat and survival. He gives up everything for those 1 shots so if he fails, you make him pay!

Now im not trying to come off as an expert and im not trying to school anyone or call you bad. I am legit trying to help you because if you follow this advice you will be eating nbs for breakfast. Please go out into the field and try these techniques out and report back on which class you feel is really the strongest. I know you will still not say sorc because you dont want to taste the nerf, but hopefully you can admit were at least even(not that I think that)........maybe. If you have problems with my methods tell me what they did to counter you and I can help you from there ok? This goes for all classes, you can all try this out on your local roll spammer and kick his teeth in.

Xsorus

Sorcerer

Sorcs are the best class right now, followed very closely by NBs, and the only thing that currently lets that happen is the fact that nirnhoned exists..if Nirnhoned didn't exist...Sorcs would flat out be the best class with no one near it.

Erock25

Nightblade

Xsorus wrote: »

Sorcs are the best class right now, followed very closely by NBs, and the only thing that currently lets that happen is the fact that nirnhoned exists..if Nirnhoned didn't exist...Sorcs would flat out be the best class with no one near it.

What level is your Sorc now? I'm still waiting for someone who actually plays a V14 sorc to make comments like this.

Sanct16

Nightblade

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

The big difference that makes dodge better than shields is that you can still attack while dodging. Jf I get focussed on spec and have to speak shield I have no way to do damage. I might not die but I won't win either. If I go offensive its unlikely that I will kill him with all his dodges and he can still hit me with his offensive abilities taking down my shield pretty fast. And if I don't have wards up Im pretty much dead as it takes him only 2-3 hits to kill me from full health. Sure Sorc is strong and killing 95% of the players suck anyway so killing them is no problem with any class but when it comes to actually decent players I think that Nb is just a bit better overall. Better CC, dodge>shields, cheap high damage ultimate.

NO, you cannot attack while rolling and you can in fact damage with a shield up. You can actually even be hit in between rolls and thats normally how they end up getting killed. Now I am getting told I am spreading false info? The best part is rolling isn't even nb exclusive yet its always reason #1 from whiners as to why we need to get nerfed. I am getting a little tired having to constantly tell sorcs how to play their own class, but read this time because its the last time im going to tell you guys. If a nb is roll spamming or cloak spamming you got some pretty good options to deal with it. Streak hits a nb even while hes rolling and stuns him so you can set up some real damage. You got curse which if applied before he cloaks will detonate during his invisibility and pull him out of it early so you can re curse him until he can no longer cast it. Magicka detonation works for that purpose as well and both these moves if applied before a roll cannot be dodged. If you want to end him fast you can wait till hes about half health and soul assault him dead in a near instant(not everyone is wearing full nirnhoned) and thats what I do as a nb to kill my annoying brethren. They can cloak it, but you got your curse and I got my mark so he ain't getting far and that is how we deal with cowards. Be wary that he might try to line of sight you just long enough for your curse to run out and then he will cloak so you cant pull him out. Always stay on top of him and remember nbs have terrible self heals, most only have rally which is not the greatest. Dont be scared of him, hes a class that relies on stealth and abusing high weapon power to end conflicts before they can get serious. Your a class that excels at open combat and survival. He gives up everything for those 1 shots so if he fails, you make him pay!

Now im not trying to come off as an expert and im not trying to school anyone or call you bad. I am legit trying to help you because if you follow this advice you will be eating nbs for breakfast. Please go out into the field and try these techniques out and report back on which class you feel is really the strongest. I know you will still not say sorc because you dont want to taste the nerf, but hopefully you can admit were at least even(not that I think that)........maybe. If you have problems with my methods tell me what they did to counter you and I can help you from there ok? This goes for all classes, you can all try this out on your local roll spammer and kick his teeth in.

You can cast a skill and then animation cancel it using dodgeroll. This makes it easier for an experienced player to keep up pressure while keeping up own defense. Fear and the great burst force you to always keep up your shields and stay rather defensive. With the lack of sustained dos (curse only every 4 seconds) you have to burst them down which is pretty hard if your cf crits for not even 5k because of nirn.

I am not speaking of fighting randoms. As mentioned earlier 95% of the players are bad and die no matter what class you play against them.

Of course you can counter every build but I think there are easier counters to sorcs than to Stamblades.

Another aspect why I think that Nbs are better it's the amount of different viable builds.
Nightblades are the best tanks, the best gankers, the best aoe bombers, the most mobile class (shade>all), have the best cc skill by far.

Even if the one sorc build might be on the same level as there different nb Builds id say nb is stronger because of the higher diversity.

Vis

Nightblade

Must I say more...

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P_-Pzamb9Mo

SeptimusDova

Nightblade

NB
no matter how hard I look they find me first its like a "hunter killer" team always looking to steal me Lucky Charms.

cozmon3c_ESO

Nightblade

^ this is why i think im going to take a break from the game, *** so broken right now.

everything in between 22k jesus beams in less then a second, and all the instant deaths from one attack from stealth.

Ezareth

Nightblade

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

How does one dodge roll while stunned? No *** you can just roll it, but your not going to have 100% uptime on it if a sorc is any good at all. Anything else you want to point out captain obvious?

Sure. I was responding to your (bolded) complaint about overload. If you're now complaining about the 2-second knock down from crystal frags, be aware to block, reflect, break free, and (yes) dodge roll to mitigate that, not to mention a sorc's general effectiveness.

I complained about crystal frags? No sorry friend if im rolling crystal doesn't hit, its streak that hits through roll to stun me. CC break is too slow your gonna take at least one hit and with no class heals that are worth a damn that is a death sentence. Roll is so *** useless against an experienced opponent im just switching to a more tanky build. With how popular roll spam builds are now almost everyone carrys a tool to counter it and its just not worth doing. People please remember if a nb is rolling its cause it cant take any damage or its ***. One soul assault, a few radiants, or any other un rollable attack royally screws us over.

It's a good thing you don't have an ability that removes soul assault or radiants. A shame that getting hit by any ability "royally" screws a class that has some of the highest passive defenses in the game.

Ezareth

Nightblade

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Vis wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

How does one dodge roll while stunned? No *** you can just roll it, but your not going to have 100% uptime on it if a sorc is any good at all. Anything else you want to point out captain obvious?

Sure. I was responding to your (bolded) complaint about overload. If you're now complaining about the 2-second knock down from crystal frags, be aware to block, reflect, break free, and (yes) dodge roll to mitigate that, not to mention a sorc's general effectiveness.

I complained about crystal frags? No sorry friend if im rolling crystal doesn't hit, its streak that hits through roll to stun me. CC break is too slow your gonna take at least one hit and with no class heals that are worth a damn that is a death sentence. Roll is so *** useless against an experienced opponent im just switching to a more tanky build. With how popular roll spam builds are now almost everyone carrys a tool to counter it and its just not worth doing. People please remember if a nb is rolling its cause it cant take any damage or its ***. One soul assault, a few radiants, or any other un rollable attack royally screws us over.

Why do you keep posting this false information? You seem awfully proud to display your skill level deficiencies in a thread that shows that most people feel NB is the most powerful class.

OK correct me then? What is not true? NO really go ahead i want to make you eat those words. Radiant does IN FACT hit rollers. Soul assault does in fact hit rollers. CC break does in fact take long enough to let someone hit you. I mean if thats not true in your experience, maybe, just maybe your the one lacking skill? I love some people.... cant think of anything to say worth reading-->insult.

If you're a nightblade you can instantly interrupt both channels with cloak. What's there to complain about?

Edit: 1000th comment. Woot!

Yeah........so what your saying is radiant can hit rollers and I am right? Im not the one complaining, im telling people what to do if they face a roll spammer. If I teach enough of these "nb op plz nerf" people how to counter the current nb build everyone uses maybe they will change their mind. Want to know what to do once we cloak out of radiant or soul assault? Go defensive because we will either attack shortly after or we will just *** off. If we run away then guess what? You won because your holding your ground and we are forced to retreat. Depending on your setup their is even ways to just continue attacking us after we cloak away. Lots of things that dark cloak doesn't remove like a sorcs curse or magicka det. Pulls us right out of stealth so you can continue to beat on us and since we are mostly stam builds we wont get to cloak much more then 4 times. Especially if the fight has been going on a while and we are already low on magicka.

Now I honestly wish a sorc could give me a step by step like that on how to beat them, but i think we all know they cant. They have tried, but they assume we will have our ultimate and a sneak attack with 4k wp to burst their shield. Some nbs do play with that much weapon power and honestly even I find that stupid(more of a zenimax problem then a class problem), but you cant say nb is op just because its the only thing that can possibly solo your shields long enough to get some health damage.

You can't give step by step instructions for bad players of *any* class to beat good players of another class.

An equally skilled Stamina nightblade has a slight advantage over a magicka sorc right now with the current meta.

xxslam48xxb14_ESO

Sorcerer

Ezareth wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Vis wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

How does one dodge roll while stunned? No *** you can just roll it, but your not going to have 100% uptime on it if a sorc is any good at all. Anything else you want to point out captain obvious?

Sure. I was responding to your (bolded) complaint about overload. If you're now complaining about the 2-second knock down from crystal frags, be aware to block, reflect, break free, and (yes) dodge roll to mitigate that, not to mention a sorc's general effectiveness.

I complained about crystal frags? No sorry friend if im rolling crystal doesn't hit, its streak that hits through roll to stun me. CC break is too slow your gonna take at least one hit and with no class heals that are worth a damn that is a death sentence. Roll is so *** useless against an experienced opponent im just switching to a more tanky build. With how popular roll spam builds are now almost everyone carrys a tool to counter it and its just not worth doing. People please remember if a nb is rolling its cause it cant take any damage or its ***. One soul assault, a few radiants, or any other un rollable attack royally screws us over.

Why do you keep posting this false information? You seem awfully proud to display your skill level deficiencies in a thread that shows that most people feel NB is the most powerful class.

OK correct me then? What is not true? NO really go ahead i want to make you eat those words. Radiant does IN FACT hit rollers. Soul assault does in fact hit rollers. CC break does in fact take long enough to let someone hit you. I mean if thats not true in your experience, maybe, just maybe your the one lacking skill? I love some people.... cant think of anything to say worth reading-->insult.

If you're a nightblade you can instantly interrupt both channels with cloak. What's there to complain about?

Edit: 1000th comment. Woot!

Yeah........so what your saying is radiant can hit rollers and I am right? Im not the one complaining, im telling people what to do if they face a roll spammer. If I teach enough of these "nb op plz nerf" people how to counter the current nb build everyone uses maybe they will change their mind. Want to know what to do once we cloak out of radiant or soul assault? Go defensive because we will either attack shortly after or we will just *** off. If we run away then guess what? You won because your holding your ground and we are forced to retreat. Depending on your setup their is even ways to just continue attacking us after we cloak away. Lots of things that dark cloak doesn't remove like a sorcs curse or magicka det. Pulls us right out of stealth so you can continue to beat on us and since we are mostly stam builds we wont get to cloak much more then 4 times. Especially if the fight has been going on a while and we are already low on magicka.

Now I honestly wish a sorc could give me a step by step like that on how to beat them, but i think we all know they cant. They have tried, but they assume we will have our ultimate and a sneak attack with 4k wp to burst their shield. Some nbs do play with that much weapon power and honestly even I find that stupid(more of a zenimax problem then a class problem), but you cant say nb is op just because its the only thing that can possibly solo your shields long enough to get some health damage.

You can't give step by step instructions for bad players of *any* class to beat good players of another class.

An equally skilled Stamina nightblade has a slight advantage over a magicka sorc right now with the current meta.

I like to think of myself as an average nb, although I have been in the top ten before. I use these techniques to beat the #1 and #2 ranked nbs on my campaign with extreme effectiveness. Now these 2 have more points then our emperor does without any of the buffs he receives, so no, they aren't just bad. I find it amusing how much people complain about those two in zone chat, but I am just raking in free ap anytime I run into them. Its because i know how they are set up, I know how puny their health bars are, I know how much they rely on hit and run, and I dont give them any chance to get away after they fail a sneak attack. This should be way easier to do on a sorc too since you can keep up with them better, you can more easly stun them out of their roll, you got moves that damage through roll, and surviving a sneak attack is practically what sorcs are built for!

I can't argue with your OPINION though that nightblades have an edge on sorcs if you won't give any reasons why. Better burst out of stealth is the one thing we got, but if you survive that its pretty much gg. Nbs built for burst are not open combat fighters and if you can just learn to counter the roll spam you got em. Btw I have seen classes other then nb roll spamming so its a pretty stupid argument when talking about class balance. Same goes for full nirn honed armor, that is not nb exclusive. So if you choose to defend your opinion don't bother bringing those points up. Thats more of a stamina vs magicka debate.

Ezareth

Nightblade

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Vis wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

How does one dodge roll while stunned? No *** you can just roll it, but your not going to have 100% uptime on it if a sorc is any good at all. Anything else you want to point out captain obvious?

Sure. I was responding to your (bolded) complaint about overload. If you're now complaining about the 2-second knock down from crystal frags, be aware to block, reflect, break free, and (yes) dodge roll to mitigate that, not to mention a sorc's general effectiveness.

I complained about crystal frags? No sorry friend if im rolling crystal doesn't hit, its streak that hits through roll to stun me. CC break is too slow your gonna take at least one hit and with no class heals that are worth a damn that is a death sentence. Roll is so *** useless against an experienced opponent im just switching to a more tanky build. With how popular roll spam builds are now almost everyone carrys a tool to counter it and its just not worth doing. People please remember if a nb is rolling its cause it cant take any damage or its ***. One soul assault, a few radiants, or any other un rollable attack royally screws us over.

Why do you keep posting this false information? You seem awfully proud to display your skill level deficiencies in a thread that shows that most people feel NB is the most powerful class.

OK correct me then? What is not true? NO really go ahead i want to make you eat those words. Radiant does IN FACT hit rollers. Soul assault does in fact hit rollers. CC break does in fact take long enough to let someone hit you. I mean if thats not true in your experience, maybe, just maybe your the one lacking skill? I love some people.... cant think of anything to say worth reading-->insult.

If you're a nightblade you can instantly interrupt both channels with cloak. What's there to complain about?

Edit: 1000th comment. Woot!

Yeah........so what your saying is radiant can hit rollers and I am right? Im not the one complaining, im telling people what to do if they face a roll spammer. If I teach enough of these "nb op plz nerf" people how to counter the current nb build everyone uses maybe they will change their mind. Want to know what to do once we cloak out of radiant or soul assault? Go defensive because we will either attack shortly after or we will just *** off. If we run away then guess what? You won because your holding your ground and we are forced to retreat. Depending on your setup their is even ways to just continue attacking us after we cloak away. Lots of things that dark cloak doesn't remove like a sorcs curse or magicka det. Pulls us right out of stealth so you can continue to beat on us and since we are mostly stam builds we wont get to cloak much more then 4 times. Especially if the fight has been going on a while and we are already low on magicka.

Now I honestly wish a sorc could give me a step by step like that on how to beat them, but i think we all know they cant. They have tried, but they assume we will have our ultimate and a sneak attack with 4k wp to burst their shield. Some nbs do play with that much weapon power and honestly even I find that stupid(more of a zenimax problem then a class problem), but you cant say nb is op just because its the only thing that can possibly solo your shields long enough to get some health damage.

You can't give step by step instructions for bad players of *any* class to beat good players of another class.

An equally skilled Stamina nightblade has a slight advantage over a magicka sorc right now with the current meta.

I like to think of myself as an average nb, although I have been in the top ten before. I use these techniques to beat the #1 and #2 ranked nbs on my campaign with extreme effectiveness. Now these 2 have more points then our emperor does without any of the buffs he receives, so no, they aren't just bad. I find it amusing how much people complain about those two in zone chat, but I am just raking in free ap anytime I run into them. Its because i know how they are set up, I know how puny their health bars are, I know how much they rely on hit and run, and I dont give them any chance to get away after they fail a sneak attack. This should be way easier to do on a sorc too since you can keep up with them better, you can more easly stun them out of their roll, you got moves that damage through roll, and surviving a sneak attack is practically what sorcs are built for!

I can't argue with your OPINION though that nightblades have an edge on sorcs if you won't give any reasons why. Better burst out of stealth is the one thing we got, but if you survive that its pretty much gg. Nbs built for burst are not open combat fighters and if you can just learn to counter the roll spam you got em. Btw I have seen classes other then nb roll spamming so its a pretty stupid argument when talking about class balance. Same goes for full nirn honed armor, that is not nb exclusive. So if you choose to defend your opinion don't bother bringing those points up. Thats more of a stamina vs magicka debate.

Gank NBs are almost always bad. I killed and was killed by the two NBs you're talking about if those are the two you're talking about. They don't have anything more than their openers and spamming dodge roll. A NB has a much easier to kill a dodge roller than a Sorc due to Concealed weapon + Fear.

We only have to viable spells two hit a dodge roller and none of them are spammable. Velocious curse by itself wont kill anyone and it's easy to anticipate and counter. Streak is effective at CCing a dodge roller but it's damage is negligible. The real problem both of these abilities are countered by Nirnhoned. Dodge roll + Nirnhoned gives you an insane amount of spell resist, and any decent NB can outheal the damage done to them while rolling if it is only coming from 1 person.

So with that said, how can the sorc win? I've fought good sorcs on my NB so far and just chain crit-charge/fear spam them and they die every time. I can animation cancel my crit charge with a dodge roll, get off my fear and wrecking blow my target before he can break out of the fear. They get away sometimes, but usually they die, and I've not been anywhere close to being killed by a sorc on my NB yet. There is a trick I discovered to almost never get stunned by Bolt Escape from a fleeing sorc while using Crit charge. The only thing they can do is try to out tank me which is impossible or run me out of stamina which is also impossible.

Right now Stamina is just far more powerful than magicka. Without the presence of Nirnhoned I'd say Magicka Sorc and Stam NB would be roughly even, with it it is no contest.

Ezareth

Nightblade

doublepost

xxslam48xxb14_ESO

Sorcerer

Ezareth wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Vis wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

How does one dodge roll while stunned? No *** you can just roll it, but your not going to have 100% uptime on it if a sorc is any good at all. Anything else you want to point out captain obvious?

Sure. I was responding to your (bolded) complaint about overload. If you're now complaining about the 2-second knock down from crystal frags, be aware to block, reflect, break free, and (yes) dodge roll to mitigate that, not to mention a sorc's general effectiveness.

I complained about crystal frags? No sorry friend if im rolling crystal doesn't hit, its streak that hits through roll to stun me. CC break is too slow your gonna take at least one hit and with no class heals that are worth a damn that is a death sentence. Roll is so *** useless against an experienced opponent im just switching to a more tanky build. With how popular roll spam builds are now almost everyone carrys a tool to counter it and its just not worth doing. People please remember if a nb is rolling its cause it cant take any damage or its ***. One soul assault, a few radiants, or any other un rollable attack royally screws us over.

Why do you keep posting this false information? You seem awfully proud to display your skill level deficiencies in a thread that shows that most people feel NB is the most powerful class.

OK correct me then? What is not true? NO really go ahead i want to make you eat those words. Radiant does IN FACT hit rollers. Soul assault does in fact hit rollers. CC break does in fact take long enough to let someone hit you. I mean if thats not true in your experience, maybe, just maybe your the one lacking skill? I love some people.... cant think of anything to say worth reading-->insult.

If you're a nightblade you can instantly interrupt both channels with cloak. What's there to complain about?

Edit: 1000th comment. Woot!

Yeah........so what your saying is radiant can hit rollers and I am right? Im not the one complaining, im telling people what to do if they face a roll spammer. If I teach enough of these "nb op plz nerf" people how to counter the current nb build everyone uses maybe they will change their mind. Want to know what to do once we cloak out of radiant or soul assault? Go defensive because we will either attack shortly after or we will just *** off. If we run away then guess what? You won because your holding your ground and we are forced to retreat. Depending on your setup their is even ways to just continue attacking us after we cloak away. Lots of things that dark cloak doesn't remove like a sorcs curse or magicka det. Pulls us right out of stealth so you can continue to beat on us and since we are mostly stam builds we wont get to cloak much more then 4 times. Especially if the fight has been going on a while and we are already low on magicka.

Now I honestly wish a sorc could give me a step by step like that on how to beat them, but i think we all know they cant. They have tried, but they assume we will have our ultimate and a sneak attack with 4k wp to burst their shield. Some nbs do play with that much weapon power and honestly even I find that stupid(more of a zenimax problem then a class problem), but you cant say nb is op just because its the only thing that can possibly solo your shields long enough to get some health damage.

You can't give step by step instructions for bad players of *any* class to beat good players of another class.

An equally skilled Stamina nightblade has a slight advantage over a magicka sorc right now with the current meta.

I like to think of myself as an average nb, although I have been in the top ten before. I use these techniques to beat the #1 and #2 ranked nbs on my campaign with extreme effectiveness. Now these 2 have more points then our emperor does without any of the buffs he receives, so no, they aren't just bad. I find it amusing how much people complain about those two in zone chat, but I am just raking in free ap anytime I run into them. Its because i know how they are set up, I know how puny their health bars are, I know how much they rely on hit and run, and I dont give them any chance to get away after they fail a sneak attack. This should be way easier to do on a sorc too since you can keep up with them better, you can more easly stun them out of their roll, you got moves that damage through roll, and surviving a sneak attack is practically what sorcs are built for!

I can't argue with your OPINION though that nightblades have an edge on sorcs if you won't give any reasons why. Better burst out of stealth is the one thing we got, but if you survive that its pretty much gg. Nbs built for burst are not open combat fighters and if you can just learn to counter the roll spam you got em. Btw I have seen classes other then nb roll spamming so its a pretty stupid argument when talking about class balance. Same goes for full nirn honed armor, that is not nb exclusive. So if you choose to defend your opinion don't bother bringing those points up. Thats more of a stamina vs magicka debate.

Gank NBs are almost always bad. I killed and was killed by the two NBs you're talking about if those are the two you're talking about. They don't have anything more than their openers and spamming dodge roll. A NB has a much easier to kill a dodge roller than a Sorc due to Concealed weapon + Fear.

We only have to viable spells two hit a dodge roller and none of them are spammable. Velocious curse by itself wont kill anyone and it's easy to anticipate and counter. Streak is effective at CCing a dodge roller but it's damage is negligible. The real problem both of these abilities are countered by Nirnhoned. Dodge roll + Nirnhoned gives you an insane amount of spell resist, and any decent NB can outheal the damage done to them while rolling if it is only coming from 1 person.

So with that said, how can the sorc win? I've fought good sorcs on my NB so far and just chain crit-charge/fear spam them and they die every time. I can animation cancel my crit charge with a dodge roll, get off my fear and wrecking blow my target before he can break out of the fear. They get away sometimes, but usually they die, and I've not been anywhere close to being killed by a sorc on my NB yet. There is a trick I discovered to almost never get stunned by Bolt Escape from a fleeing sorc while using Crit charge. The only thing they can do is try to out tank me which is impossible or run me out of stamina which is also impossible.

Right now Stamina is just far more powerful than magicka. Without the presence of Nirnhoned I'd say Magicka Sorc and Stam NB would be roughly even, with it it is no contest.

What lvl is your nb though, based off your signature hes lvl 46? Come on man thats not a good representation on a nb vs sorc battle. Sorcs that lose to crit charge spam are not any better then gank blades. Those gank blades must be doing something right though because im pretty damn sure its what most people are complaining about. I dont use concealed weapon(its a magicka move) and I still have no problem killing them. I wouldn't be so fast to *** on curse and streak either, look I understand nirn is bs and it will get nerfed, but those moves are gnarly against those low hp nbs. How much health do they have on average? Mines got like 20k, thats like a magicka det+curse and you can finish him with a streak. I know magicka det isn't a sorc skill, but if its giving you that much trouble you should try it out. Thats not at all easy to outheal with just rally. Maybe if we got vigor, rally, and a tripot up we can out heal that damage. I cant speak for vigor, but rally is pretty garbage and health potions should be expected.

I can tell you how a sorc can win! First they dont just spam bolt until a crit charge finishes them, second they need to keep there shields up so they never take damage, third they need to be on offense most of the time. Stand in your minefield and just dot us up with curse and magicka det, keep you shields up! Once the nb starts running/rolling and he will, thats when you get in there and finish him with a soul assault. He might have time to cloak out of it and you keep your curse on him to pull him out and it should be cakewalk by that point. You are going to face sorcs that know these methods sooner or later on your nb and its going to be aweful hard to win at that point. Ive seen a sorc once use daedric tomb as an offensive move vs my rolling, you can try that as well, it was pretty extreme how much damage that does. Also I would imagine charging through a daedric tomb would be lethal so keep that in mind to use after a bolt escape if your vs a charge spammer.

TheBucket

Sorcerer

Showing a video of Sypher dropping a few scrubs with an ability everyone has access to is not proving anything. Ive seen detonatiom become way more effectice on a Sorc or Magic DK

xxslam48xxb14_ESO

Sorcerer

TheBucket wrote: »

Showing a video of Sypher dropping a few scrubs with an ability everyone has access to is not proving anything. Ive seen detonatiom become way more effectice on a Sorc or Magic DK

I don't doubt it! I have not seen it done better then a magicka nb can do it though. We are just very burst oriented So I think we are always the ones to figure out huge burst like that. Sorcs should learn ways to drop some other aoes on top of a group coupled with magicka det, I bet it would be better. I find it very amusing how under the radar magicka nbs are, low player count =/= under powered or even average. There was a magicka nb on my campaign that plays alot like a regular nb, but instead of snipe-> ambushing, he Magicka det -> teleport strikes. He killed me alot and I killed him alot, but I like how he has shields and heals as a back up with his resto staff. Very nice! Don't underestimate those magicka blades!

Xsorus

Sorcerer

Erock25 wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Sorcs are the best class right now, followed very closely by NBs, and the only thing that currently lets that happen is the fact that nirnhoned exists..if Nirnhoned didn't exist...Sorcs would flat out be the best class with no one near it.

What level is your Sorc now? I'm still waiting for someone who actually plays a V14 sorc to make comments like this.

So you'll only accept Sorcs are the best right now if another Sorcs tells you they're the best?

lol...

Erock25

Nightblade

Xsorus wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Sorcs are the best class right now, followed very closely by NBs, and the only thing that currently lets that happen is the fact that nirnhoned exists..if Nirnhoned didn't exist...Sorcs would flat out be the best class with no one near it.

What level is your Sorc now? I'm still waiting for someone who actually plays a V14 sorc to make comments like this.

So you'll only accept Sorcs are the best right now if another Sorcs tells you they're the best?

lol...

There has been an endless stream of people who scream and whine on the forums about sorc, such as yourself, who declares they will roll a sorc and show everyone how OP it is and they never do. Grass is greener syndrome.