*Updated Poll* Strongest Class In PVP

Vis

The last poll was in March shortly after the update. Builds, strategies, and combos has since progressed and I want to see if our opinions have also changed as everyone has come to better understand the new mechanics.

Garion

Nightblade

Nightblade. Without question.

Ancile

Nightblade

I used to hate fighting Sorcerers, but these days nightblades are by far the strongest class. It's so hard to counter their burst, cc, and mobility.

Snit

Other (Please Explain)

You have to separate solo vs organized group.

TheBucket

Sorcerer

This poll is a bit whacky. There should be a Magic/Stamina option

Derra

Nightblade

Snit wrote: »

You have to separate solo vs organized group.

And because of this i´m voting nb - i feel sorc is sliiiightly ahead for solo play if you don´t enjoy stealthgank playstyle but NB has a lot more to offer for grp play (any grp size really) with both stamina and magica specs.

iliatha

Sorcerer

Sorc because the campaign winning groups pretty much stack sorcs and their aoe to zerg everything. Well played pretty good 1vX class too.

Vis

Nightblade

TheBucket wrote: »

This poll is a bit whacky. There should be a Magic/Stamina option

Snit wrote: »

You have to separate solo vs organized group.

I considered both of those options but chose to leave it as is because I want to allows others to vote according to their overall impressions and what they feel is most important in pvp.

For those who really want to make a delineation, I gave you the "Other (Please Explain)" option.

Derra

Nightblade

kai_dahmenb16_ESO wrote: »

Sorc because the campaign winning groups pretty much stack sorcs and their aoe to zerg everything. Well played pretty good 1vX class too.

I´m under the impression that campaign winning grps tend to be composed mainly of stam builds with steel tornado now. Sorc is arguably the weakest class in that (stamina) department.

Ancile

Nightblade

Strongest Magicka: NB (Cloak, Ambush, Fear, Detonation, Soul Harvest, Super Tank)
Strongest Stamina: NB (Cloak, Soul Harvest, Fear, Snipe)
Strongest Group: Templar (Heals, Jesus Beam)
Strongest Solo: NB (see above)

It's nuts the burst good NBs put out. Unlike when I face other DKs or sorcs, I can't see them coming and can't reflect or block most of NB dps.

Soris

Nightblade

Ancile wrote: »

I used to hate fighting Sorcerers, but these days nightblades are by far the strongest class.

+1

eliisra

Nightblade

Guess I'm biased using 3+ Nirnhoned, Harness Magicka and access to reflects. That's what places stamblade number one on my list. There's just not enough counters at my disposal to mitigate stamblade insane burst physical dmg, while also dealing with bugged Fear not breaking instantly, every 6-7 sec.

Ley

Nightblade

Templars! oh wait, no templars are pretty terrible.

For reasons stated in posts above, and the fact that it feels like about 80% of my deaths are to Nightblades lately so I'm gonna go with that.

Vis

Nightblade

I went with Nightblade because the new cloak into proximity detonation combo has added even more dps into their already insane burst and the delayed fear break makes it impossible to avoid the unblocked incoming 20k+ damage over 1.5 seconds.

In March I thought DKs were the most powerful, but as builds progressed I see I was off on that assessment.

Sharee

Sorcerer

I have a rank 22 NB, rank 11 DK(both well-equipped), and a rank 11 sorc which is still only VR11, and half his equipments is VR1.

Without a doubt, the sorc, even with his handicaps, is far more dangerous than either of those two other chars. I can run circles around most opponents, regardless of their rank or level. I can only imagine how powerful he will become after he reaches V14 and gets proper equipment.

(That does not mean the sorc cannot be killed. Just comparing what i am capable of when controlling either of the 3 characters i have.)

TheBucket

Sorcerer

Vis wrote: »

I went with Nightblade because the new cloak into proximity detonation combo has added even more dps into their already insane burst and the delayed fear break makes it impossible to avoid the unblocked incoming 20k+ damage over 1.5 seconds.

In March I thought DKs were the most powerful, but as builds progressed I see I was off on that assessment.

It's not new. It's been around since I started running it when 1.6 dropped. Just some NB's are now seeing that CW is killing their stamina builds. So they are looking for a more viable burst method.

It's not a bad way to go, but it limits you in other ways.

pkb16_ESO2

Sorcerer

TheBucket wrote: »

Vis wrote: »

I went with Nightblade because the new cloak into proximity detonation combo has added even more dps into their already insane burst and the delayed fear break makes it impossible to avoid the unblocked incoming 20k+ damage over 1.5 seconds.

In March I thought DKs were the most powerful, but as builds progressed I see I was off on that assessment.

It's not new. It's been around since I started running it when 1.6 dropped. Just some NB's are now seeing that CW is killing their stamina builds. So they are looking for a more viable burst method.

It's not a bad way to go, but it limits you in other ways.

Whats CW?

I still find sorcs strongest. Nirn is making them weaker, but when it gets fixed theyll rule again.
But i have to admit that NBs seems to become stronger and stronger... and also more and more... wonder why?

Xsorus

Sorcerer

I voted sorc, but I kind of view Nightblades close to them...if there was a Sorc/Nightblade combo option I would of picked that.

Soulac

Other (Please Explain)

pls don't nerf me

Draxys

Nightblade

Ancile wrote: »

Strongest Magicka: NB (Cloak, Ambush, Fear, Detonation, Soul Harvest, Super Tank)
Strongest Stamina: NB (Cloak, Soul Harvest, Fear, Snipe)
Strongest Group: Templar (Heals, Jesus Beam)
Strongest Solo: NB (see above)

It's nuts the burst good NBs put out. Unlike when I face other DKs or sorcs, I can't see them coming and can't reflect or block most of NB dps.

I'd agree with everything except group, DKs and Sorcs are on a pretty even footing group wise, with Templars and NBs close behind. Every class has something strong to offer in group play (by "group" in this discussion, I mean groups sized 6-24).

Edit: I'd also tie NB/Sorc for best magicka user. With a shield that scales off magicka, sorc can stack magicka and not give much thought to health and thus hit extremely hard.

Araxleon

it depends, you need magicka and stamina options.

Cogo

Other (Please Explain)

Hmm...how do I explain what is the "best" class/build?

THE PLAYER!

Please, keep blaming class, skills, lag or what not. More AP for me.

cozmon3c_ESO

Nightblade

NB because you don't see them coming for that first initial hit, and because it's the only class in the game you have to use a pot to be on equal footing to fight against. The restealthing every 2 seconds is just plain annoying as hell. And fear.

Templar jesus beam ruins any chance of coming out on top 1vx'ing. Op

DK just spamming rs and spamming whip while holding block is just plain stupid combo of easy mode.

Sorc hardened ward is a tough nut to crank, but damage is easily avoidable.

tplink3r1

Sorcerer

Poor templars

xxslam48xxb14_ESO

Sorcerer

Am i the only one that sees overload? Does anyone else notice this ultimate yet? Its just so weird the things that get whined about, but there is overload going completely unnoticed. Hitting for 13k with no sneak requirement and it can be spammed. Meh meteor hits once that hard and stuns if you dont block, OVERLOAD DOES IT 10+ TIMES! sorcs using atronach instead *facepalm*. Where do sorcs get off whining about nbs with stuff like this? The invincible shields, numerous skills to hit through roll and cloak. HOW???? How can any decent sorc lose to a nb in a real fight. Im about to go pure anti-sorc to make their life hell, but wait, is that even possible?? I honest to god want 1.5 dks back over this because at least they could be dealt with by using fear or just plain staying out of range.

I know how many current build fares at a 1v1 with a sorc. I charge in and put zero noticable difference in his shields, keeping block held the entire time so i can block his bolt stun. At some point he figures out hes godmode and goes on offense and dots me up so i cant cloak. GG. Cant even roll because they will just streak through me to stun->overload. GTFO saying nb is the best right now, I eat my own class for breakfast. A good sorc is the only untouchable class right now and no nirnhoned doesnt change anything, if anything it just lowers your dps to make it even harder to burst those shields.

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Vis

Nightblade

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Am i the only one that sees overload? Does anyone else notice this ultimate yet? Its just so weird the things that get whined about, but there is overload going completely unnoticed. Hitting for 13k with no sneak requirement and it can be spammed. Meh meteor hits once that hard and stuns if you dont block, OVERLOAD DOES IT 10+ TIMES! sorcs using atronach instead *facepalm*. Where do sorcs get off whining about nbs with stuff like this? The invincible shields, numerous skills to hit through roll and cloak. HOW???? How can any decent sorc lose to a nb in a real fight. Im about to go pure anti-sorc to make their life hell, but wait, is that even possible?? I honest to god want 1.5 dks back over this because at least they could be dealt with by using fear or just plain staying out of range.

I know how many current build fares at a 1v1 with a sorc. I charge in and put zero noticable difference in his shields, keeping block held the entire time so i can block his bolt stun. At some point he figures out hes godmode and goes on offense and dots me up so i cant cloak. GG. Cant even roll because they will just streak through me to stun->overload. GTFO saying nb is the best right now, I eat my own class for breakfast. A good sorc is the only untouchable class right now and no nirnhoned doesnt change anything, if anything it just lowers your dps to make it even harder to burst those shields.

You obviously not figured out the joy that is reflect or dodge or absorb. I am a sorc and I never use overload outside of an offbar. If someone is dumb enough to eat my overloads without dodging, reflecting, or absorbing, they are a waste of an ultimate. They will just as easily die to my frags and other projectiles. I get excited when I see sorcs start using overload because I know my defensive stance is about to kill them.

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xxslam48xxb14_ESO

Sorcerer

Vis wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Am i the only one that sees overload? Does anyone else notice this ultimate yet? Its just so weird the things that get whined about, but there is overload going completely unnoticed. Hitting for 13k with no sneak requirement and it can be spammed. Meh meteor hits once that hard and stuns if you dont block, OVERLOAD DOES IT 10+ TIMES! sorcs using atronach instead *facepalm*. Where do sorcs get off whining about nbs with stuff like this? The invincible shields, numerous skills to hit through roll and cloak. HOW???? How can any decent sorc lose to a nb in a real fight. Im about to go pure anti-sorc to make their life hell, but wait, is that even possible?? I honest to god want 1.5 dks back over this because at least they could be dealt with by using fear or just plain staying out of range.

I know how many current build fares at a 1v1 with a sorc. I charge in and put zero noticable difference in his shields, keeping block held the entire time so i can block his bolt stun. At some point he figures out hes godmode and goes on offense and dots me up so i cant cloak. GG. Cant even roll because they will just streak through me to stun->overload. GTFO saying nb is the best right now, I eat my own class for breakfast. A good sorc is the only untouchable class right now and no nirnhoned doesnt change anything, if anything it just lowers your dps to make it even harder to burst those shields.

You obviously not figured out the joy that is reflect or dodge or absorb. I am a sorc and I never use overload outside of an offbar. If someone is dumb enough to eat my overloads without dodging, reflecting, or absorbing, they are a waste of an ultimate. They will just as easily die to my frags and other projectiles. I get excited when I see sorcs start using overload because I know my defensive stance is about to kill them.

No I wouldn't be able to reflect and like I said rolling only goes so far cause you cant do it the entire time or your not damaging and the things that do hit through roll take you down. I just wanna know from you good sorcs do you ever even die 1v1? HOW? Only time I see a good sorc die is when the group finally catches them and hits them with like 5 ultimates. NO, being dismounted and killed before you stand isn't a 1v1.


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cozmon3c_ESO

Nightblade

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Vis wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Am i the only one that sees overload? Does anyone else notice this ultimate yet? Its just so weird the things that get whined about, but there is overload going completely unnoticed. Hitting for 13k with no sneak requirement and it can be spammed. Meh meteor hits once that hard and stuns if you dont block, OVERLOAD DOES IT 10+ TIMES! sorcs using atronach instead *facepalm*. Where do sorcs get off whining about nbs with stuff like this? The invincible shields, numerous skills to hit through roll and cloak. HOW???? How can any decent sorc lose to a nb in a real fight. Im about to go pure anti-sorc to make their life hell, but wait, is that even possible?? I honest to god want 1.5 dks back over this because at least they could be dealt with by using fear or just plain staying out of range.

I know how many current build fares at a 1v1 with a sorc. I charge in and put zero noticable difference in his shields, keeping block held the entire time so i can block his bolt stun. At some point he figures out hes godmode and goes on offense and dots me up so i cant cloak. GG. Cant even roll because they will just streak through me to stun->overload. GTFO saying nb is the best right now, I eat my own class for breakfast. A good sorc is the only untouchable class right now and no nirnhoned doesnt change anything, if anything it just lowers your dps to make it even harder to burst those shields.

You obviously not figured out the joy that is reflect or dodge or absorb. I am a sorc and I never use overload outside of an offbar. If someone is dumb enough to eat my overloads without dodging, reflecting, or absorbing, they are a waste of an ultimate. They will just as easily die to my frags and other projectiles. I get excited when I see sorcs start using overload because I know my defensive stance is about to kill them.

No I wouldn't be able to reflect and like I said rolling only goes so far cause you cant do it the entire time or your not damaging and the things that do hit through roll take you down. I just wanna know from you good sorcs do you ever even die 1v1? HOW? Only time I see a good sorc die is when the group finally catches them and hits them with like 5 ultimates. NO, being dismounted and killed before you stand isn't a 1v1.

NB burst from stealth mainly

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Bane_of_Fringe

Other (Please Explain)

Good players are OP and need nerf.

Funny how everybody is denoting one class as wholly OP. Promise that you can't get a magicka NB to do the same damage as a stamina NB; that first concealed weapon burst maybe, (even then, you have to fully spec damage with nirnhoned weapons, and it's not even possible to reach the same damage you can with NB stamina burst.) I've yet to die to a NB who ambushed prox det in a 1v1/solo situation, if you're too stupid to throw up a shield of block, that's on you. They pop out of stealth and you can hear the bomb ticking.

After that it's just generally strong stamina bursts from abilities. Sorcs are pretty strong as well. They have some of the best damage and survivability in the game. At the same time sorc builds are narrowed down to only one real play style. As far as balance, magicka DKs are in a really good spot. Same for magicka NBs, stamina builds need to be checked out, and the one and only sorc build could use some tweaking. If they ditched the daedra for sorc and worked on some real reliable dps abilities..and a real reliable heal for sorcs, maybe there would be more options, and you wouldn't have to chalk up the damage on their few dps abilities. They wouldn't have to run destro/resto as an only option, and maybe magicka NBs wouldn't have to run resto an only way to really solidify their build.

I feel like magicka NB is going to get trashed as a result of ZOS nerfing the class, and no the huge damage stacks that you can work with in stamina builds. They'll probably nerf sorc without finding any other survivability/damage alternatives and it'll *** the whole class. Templars will get a buff/nerf and it'll either make stamina builds very strong/kill magicka templar. All reasoning is thrown out the window when it comes to balancing, and all the work put into smoothing the game out in pre-1.6 got thrown down the drain with the decisions made in the game regarding damage increases from resources, flipping morphs into stamina (surprise attack...), and the changes to health. To make it worse, now everybody is one the forums who doesn't understand wtf is going on. So they're all sh*tting on classes without any real knowledge of why the game is in it's current state. Since ZoS obviously doesn't know what they're doing to the game either, they'll just wrecking the game balance in entirety.

Woe is us.

Sharee

Sorcerer

cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »

NB because you don't see them coming for that first initial hit, and because it's the only class in the game you have to use a pot to be on equal footing to fight against.

You could also say they are the only class that gets it's major mechanic easily negated by a potion.

I am not sure i would list that as a strength of the class.

nothing2591

Templar

There cant be op classes in a game where you win by having a larger group, Templar is the class that brings the most to group play and therefore the strongest class in eso.