*Updated Poll* Strongest Class In PVP

Kas

Nightblade

Still not sure how to choose between sorcs and nb's.
With nirnhoned + defensive posture + purifying ritual i feel fine against sorcs right now.

However, one could say that's quite the commitment and probably stuff like an oldschool blazing shield build would actually work much better against NB's. Ultimately, the sheer number of new sorcs made me build for them and right now I have to say good stamblades are much more of a threat.

iseko

Nightblade

Only class I get instagibbed by before my brain records something happening

bgoldbeck21_ESO

Sorcerer

Anyone else here notice the trend of Sorcs voting NB the strongest class? And then revealing NB's are the only class that can take them down with burst potential.

So, if I understand correctly. NB's should be nerfed so Sorcs can remain undefeated.

Sorc logic 0_O

Derra

Nightblade

Cthalion wrote: »

All of the Sorcs are voting NB. All of the NBs are voting sorc.

But honestly, sorc is best.

Yes, NB is GREAT. But Sorc is still better.

NB is the most played class - by your logic sorc would be leading this poll.

Soulac

Other (Please Explain)

Derra wrote: »

Cthalion wrote: »

All of the Sorcs are voting NB. All of the NBs are voting sorc.

But honestly, sorc is best.

Yes, NB is GREAT. But Sorc is still better.

NB is the most played class - by your logic sorc would be leading this poll.

I see more Sorcs and Templars these days, especially templars.
Everytime i fight a blue zerg my quest goes from 0/20 to 20/20 in a couple of minutes.
It´s played by many, but i don´t think it´s the most played class.
Many people got a NB on there Acc tho, but by that logic you can count my Sorc as well, lol..

xxslam48xxb14_ESO

Sorcerer

Derra wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Vis wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Am i the only one that sees overload? Does anyone else notice this ultimate yet? Its just so weird the things that get whined about, but there is overload going completely unnoticed. Hitting for 13k with no sneak requirement and it can be spammed. Meh meteor hits once that hard and stuns if you dont block, OVERLOAD DOES IT 10+ TIMES! sorcs using atronach instead *facepalm*. Where do sorcs get off whining about nbs with stuff like this? The invincible shields, numerous skills to hit through roll and cloak. HOW???? How can any decent sorc lose to a nb in a real fight. Im about to go pure anti-sorc to make their life hell, but wait, is that even possible?? I honest to god want 1.5 dks back over this because at least they could be dealt with by using fear or just plain staying out of range.

I know how many current build fares at a 1v1 with a sorc. I charge in and put zero noticable difference in his shields, keeping block held the entire time so i can block his bolt stun. At some point he figures out hes godmode and goes on offense and dots me up so i cant cloak. GG. Cant even roll because they will just streak through me to stun->overload. GTFO saying nb is the best right now, I eat my own class for breakfast. A good sorc is the only untouchable class right now and no nirnhoned doesnt change anything, if anything it just lowers your dps to make it even harder to burst those shields.

You obviously not figured out the joy that is reflect or dodge or absorb. I am a sorc and I never use overload outside of an offbar. If someone is dumb enough to eat my overloads without dodging, reflecting, or absorbing, they are a waste of an ultimate. They will just as easily die to my frags and other projectiles. I get excited when I see sorcs start using overload because I know my defensive stance is about to kill them.

No I wouldn't be able to reflect and like I said rolling only goes so far cause you cant do it the entire time or your not damaging and the things that do hit through roll take you down. I just wanna know from you good sorcs do you ever even die 1v1? HOW? Only time I see a good sorc die is when the group finally catches them and hits them with like 5 ultimates. NO, being dismounted and killed before you stand isn't a 1v1.

NB burst from stealth mainly

Not if you got your shields up. My snipe + ambush combo at 2480 weapon power doesn't even crack the shield(its crit immune). Thats a one time burst too. I have caught sorcs unaware and with shields down and sure that kills you, but thats hardly a fight if only one person is actually aware. Now get real here, have you actually died from a nb who was like "come at me bro" not hiding. Ive been able to fight with sorcs for a while before my team mates show up to finally get enough dps to pop them, but its never a real kill. Its glass cannon vs steel cannon, one is just straight up better.

Honestly ive never even met a stam or magicka nb I couldn't kill, its always completely possible in a 1v1 scenario. Ill just mark em and lay into them just like any other class. Its always a fun and fair fight where I never feel like im facing this mystical untouchable roll spamming mess like the forums would have me believe. Roll is so easy to counter and its our only reliable means of living for an even remotely competitive amount of time. I actually find blocking most enemies to be a much more effective use of stamina if im actually trying to fight and not run.

Short answer to this: You´re doing it wrong.
I´ve been isntakilled by competent NBs with freshly recasted shields with a certain unavoidable stealth combo. The only thing that could save you against that is radiant magelight.

Or your doing it wrong. Or the sorcs I fight are doing it right. Or zenimax is doing it wrong. Lots of options here, whos to blame? Really though should it take a sneak attack to break shields? Thats the point im trying to make is if your in a real fight with a nb how is he ever going to pop those shields? Stealth just isn't a real fight, its a super huge advantage and doesn't accurately depict the real better player or class. The fact that almost every night blade is forced into hiding and picking off weak and vulnerable targets from stealth says volumes about our actual pvp effectiveness.

We got fear though, yeah its really good against block casters or tank builds. I can appreciate a good counter, like radiant destruction on a roll spammer, camo hunter on a vampire, dark cloak to soul assault, block to meteor, rolling to frag, radiant magelight to stealth......... I can go on and on and I like all of it. There is one thing I cant really think of a way to counter though, yeah shield spam. Honestly if I had an ace up my sleeve to deal with that I wouldn't even find sorcs too out of whack at all. That is really all it would take to balance them and shields in general, a nice solid counter ability. Maybe an offensive purge to remove buffs or just a move that goes through shields. Its only fair.

Well tbh - there is not much to do right or wrong with this. I´ve got a 12.7k shield against physical attacks and 19k hp (11.8k armor). It´s possible to kill me through that pool over the course of 1 second with snipe => ambush => soulharvest which all hit in a ~0.5 to 1s timeframe depending on execution and range on which snipe was fired. With snipe and ambush both getting stealth attack bonus and stunning it´s not possible to react to this combo bc even if your reaction time was 0.00001s the cc break animation (due to stealth attack) takes 1 global cooldown.
This is only a possibility for nightblades though. They´ve got the option to go for normal fights too.
I´ve fought plenty of good stamina nightblades head on. The result is most likely i can´t kill them - they can´t kill me. If i want to have a realistic chance at a killingblow they have to screw up and port / walk into multiple mines. Same goes for them - i have to miss one shield cast before their burst and i´m gone.
If a sorcerer focuses purely on defense though the offensive nb has the same chances at a killingblow as a purely offensive sorc that tries to kill a defensive nightblade - none.

If you want a move to purge shields sorcs become a walking threeshot. I want an ability to prevent you from dodgerolling and cloaking for three seconds then - that would be the aquivalent to removing shields at will.

You can hit nbs in their roll though and stun them to boot! Daedric curse, magicka det, streak, and probably more things i dont even know about. All of those also go through cloak making us completely defenseless unless we get los. So yeah I guess a shield removal tool is warranted. Dont try and defend that non sense its really apparent to anyone other then sorcs how messed up and broken it is. How is it that a dedicated tank I can kill easier then a sorc? When im looking at a light armor sorc and a heavy armor dk I always go after the dk with my sneak attack, because I know the shield will not break.

Being a walking three shot, so basically just like every other class? What do you think happens if any other light armor class gets sneak attacked? You indirectly admitted to an imbalance. Also are you saying we need not only a sneak attack, but a ultimate up as well to drop a sorc. Good lord man are you even trying to defend sorc or are you sabotaging them? Really just add a shield counter ability and lower dps for all classes across the board and game fixed. You might not like being hard countered like everyone else, but its just the way the game goes. I have already given numerous examples of roll counters and if you sorcs wish to ignore them then whatever. Just easier for me I guess.

Wouldn't 1.5 have been perfect -minus dks and -minus the shield spam that already existed. Thats kinda what I imagine it would be like now if the absurd burst anyone can deal out was reduced and shields became beatable. It might be just like the non vet server where no one dies instantly and their isn't really a sorc problem. *sigh* I can dream..............

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Ezareth

Nightblade

TheBull wrote: »

Yall late. The rise of the DK is back in full swing. Fossilize, 11k lava whip with 9k power lash procs.

I got killed by Fossilize the other day. It hit me just as I hit the water under Alessia Bridge. Environmental damage evidently doesn't break it ) =

Otherwise I haven't found a magicka DK in awhile who concerned me.

Xael

These polls are absolutely [snip] ridiculous.
For one, the choices are very limited and one dimensional. They ignore important variables that would determine if a class could be considered "strongest." Moreover it's always the same damn people in these threads airing their farty biased opinions which are usually predicated on parroting others from these very same threads. Goodness forbid a popular streamer begins showcasing his ability on a youtube video. After a week, it becomes the new OP.




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Zsymon

Sorcerer

OdinForge wrote: »

4K weapon damage is the strongest, I've seen all classes instagib from stealth at this point. Obviously stamina NB is the most popular natural choice for this type of gameplay but any class can do it.

I've seen cheesy and OP builds of all variety come out of every class at this point, my vote last time was Sorc.

Here's the thing about weapon damage though, not everyone is abusing 4K weapon damage. You can't just lower damage values, because it would hurt the rest of us more. Who often do have some trouble getting through big shields etc with modest weapon damage spec.

But there are people who will focus aim you and gap close you so fast, that your resource bars just *** the bed. I've seen 18K focused aims, 12k gap closers, as a player who usually only runs around 19k HP. These types of players don't need regen stats, they kill so fast in combat and usually have ways (such as vampire mistform + speed buff) to get away and reset stats if it gets hairy. It's not just a solo gank thing either, they run in packs.

Where are you getting these numbers? The most weapon damage I've seen a PvP stamina build have was 3K fully buffed, completely sacrificing all defense and sustain. Maybe you can get some more with Dual Wield, but then you have crap skills that don't kill anyone. Mind you I might be wrong, I've just never ever seen 4K, not in-game and not on any youtube channel. First people were complaining about 3K weapon damage builds, I have no idea how to get that high personally, and now suddenly people are raising it up to 4K, I have no idea where numbers like that come from.

Ezareth

Nightblade

Zsymon wrote: »

OdinForge wrote: »

4K weapon damage is the strongest, I've seen all classes instagib from stealth at this point. Obviously stamina NB is the most popular natural choice for this type of gameplay but any class can do it.

I've seen cheesy and OP builds of all variety come out of every class at this point, my vote last time was Sorc.

Here's the thing about weapon damage though, not everyone is abusing 4K weapon damage. You can't just lower damage values, because it would hurt the rest of us more. Who often do have some trouble getting through big shields etc with modest weapon damage spec.

But there are people who will focus aim you and gap close you so fast, that your resource bars just *** the bed. I've seen 18K focused aims, 12k gap closers, as a player who usually only runs around 19k HP. These types of players don't need regen stats, they kill so fast in combat and usually have ways (such as vampire mistform + speed buff) to get away and reset stats if it gets hairy. It's not just a solo gank thing either, they run in packs.

Where are you getting these numbers? The most weapon damage I've seen a PvP stamina build have was 3K fully buffed, completely sacrificing all defense and sustain. Maybe you can get some more with Dual Wield, but then you have crap skills that don't kill anyone. Mind you I might be wrong, I've just never ever seen 4K, not in-game and not on any youtube channel. First people were complaining about 3K weapon damage builds, I have no idea how to get that high personally, and now suddenly people are raising it up to 4K, I have no idea where numbers like that come from.

Actually just over 5K is the limit. Just because you don't know something doesn't make it untrue.

technohic

Nightblade

bgoldbeck21_ESO wrote: »

Anyone else here notice the trend of Sorcs voting NB the strongest class? And then revealing NB's are the only class that can take them down with burst potential.

So, if I understand correctly. NB's should be nerfed so Sorcs can remain undefeated.

Sorc logic 0_O

It's pretty much just NB and Sorcs going back and forth with each other on this. The rest of us are just sitting there shaking our heads as we try to pick our poison.

Suhxtob-yu

Nightblade

Stamina or magicka build NBs are far beyond any other class in the game due to the broken fear mechanics and the requirement of potions to be on a level playing field. And anyone claiming magicka NBs are weak have no idea how to play the game....

LMFAO @ the 5 votes for Templars.

Wreuntzylla

Templar

Because the good ones hand nightblades their bums.

Zsymon wrote: »

OdinForge wrote: »

4K weapon damage is the strongest, I've seen all classes instagib from stealth at this point. Obviously stamina NB is the most popular natural choice for this type of gameplay but any class can do it.

I've seen cheesy and OP builds of all variety come out of every class at this point, my vote last time was Sorc.

Here's the thing about weapon damage though, not everyone is abusing 4K weapon damage. You can't just lower damage values, because it would hurt the rest of us more. Who often do have some trouble getting through big shields etc with modest weapon damage spec.

But there are people who will focus aim you and gap close you so fast, that your resource bars just *** the bed. I've seen 18K focused aims, 12k gap closers, as a player who usually only runs around 19k HP. These types of players don't need regen stats, they kill so fast in combat and usually have ways (such as vampire mistform + speed buff) to get away and reset stats if it gets hairy. It's not just a solo gank thing either, they run in packs.

Where are you getting these numbers? The most weapon damage I've seen a PvP stamina build have was 3K fully buffed, completely sacrificing all defense and sustain. Maybe you can get some more with Dual Wield, but then you have crap skills that don't kill anyone. Mind you I might be wrong, I've just never ever seen 4K, not in-game and not on any youtube channel. First people were complaining about 3K weapon damage builds, I have no idea how to get that high personally, and now suddenly people are raising it up to 4K, I have no idea where numbers like that come from.

When I play my NB I have about 3600 WD with cyrodiil buffs and without really trying (sustain build).

You would be amazed how much WD you can have as a werewolf.... 4k is lol. Not for very long but <shrug>.

In order to understand overpowered you have to understand why you died. Most people don't understand why they died.

Our guild runs one of each class in groups of four because each brings something to the table that the other doesn't. Most of us run fairly standard builds when running solo, but have unconventional builds for group play. Usually, except for maybe the DK, individual damage numbers are lower in group play.

Although people message us individually quite a bit when we are solo, we have wiped entire sieges with a four-man putting out less individual damage. And get almost no messages. Because people don't know why they died. They think it's the numbers. It's not the numbers.

Edit: To clarify I do not run werewolf for weapon damage.

Cthalion

Sorcerer

Derra wrote: »

Cthalion wrote: »

All of the Sorcs are voting NB. All of the NBs are voting sorc.

But honestly, sorc is best.

Yes, NB is GREAT. But Sorc is still better.

NB is the most played class - by your logic sorc would be leading this poll.

Only now, because it was overbuffed. How many NBs were there before Stam patch? Not so many.

ToRelax

Nightblade

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

[...]
Because people don't know why they died. They think it's the numbers. It's not the numbers.

[...]

I'll have to steal that for my signature .

k2blader

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Am i the only one that sees overload? Does anyone else notice this ultimate yet? Its just so weird the things that get whined about, but there is overload going completely unnoticed. Hitting for 13k with no sneak requirement and it can be spammed. Meh meteor hits once that hard and stuns if you dont block, OVERLOAD DOES IT 10+ TIMES! sorcs using atronach instead *facepalm*. Where do sorcs get off whining about nbs with stuff like this? The invincible shields, numerous skills to hit through roll and cloak. HOW???? How can any decent sorc lose to a nb in a real fight. Im about to go pure anti-sorc to make their life hell, but wait, is that even possible?? I honest to god want 1.5 dks back over this because at least they could be dealt with by using fear or just plain staying out of range.

I know how many current build fares at a 1v1 with a sorc. I charge in and put zero noticable difference in his shields, keeping block held the entire time so i can block his bolt stun. At some point he figures out hes godmode and goes on offense and dots me up so i cant cloak. GG. Cant even roll because they will just streak through me to stun->overload. GTFO saying nb is the best right now, I eat my own class for breakfast. A good sorc is the only untouchable class right now and no nirnhoned doesnt change anything, if anything it just lowers your dps to make it even harder to burst those shields.

Maybe you're the only one not dodge-rolling the slowish-moving-bright-white-orbs-coming-toward-your-face.


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Vis

Nightblade

*Posting on behalf of someone who can't. I will not state whether I agree of disagree*

By far the strongest class over all is sorc. They should be able to handle any ganker/solo (which is the NB terror) as well as any group situation. NB can be thought as OP, but that would really come into play with you, as the player, and the skills/ability to counter the burst you have. I do not fear any NB (as a Templar) and I laugh alot when I am in my guild runs because I am usually the 'bait' when in open field. NB counter is all about situational awareness, and dropping the skills/actions needed to defend the burst, then turn and kill them.

I probably run at least a 80% ratio of wins against NB solo situations, and I know I make many angry when they expect an easy kill and find themselves dead shortly after the 'surprise' attack.

ToRelax

Nightblade

Vis wrote: »

*Posting on behalf of someone who can't. I will not state whether I agree of disagree*

By far the strongest class over all is sorc. They should be able to handle any ganker/solo (which is the NB terror) as well as any group situation. NB can be thought as OP, but that would really come into play with you, as the player, and the skills/ability to counter the burst you have. I do not fear any NB (as a Templar) and I laugh alot when I am in my guild runs because I am usually the 'bait' when in open field. NB counter is all about situational awareness, and dropping the skills/actions needed to defend the burst, then turn and kill them.

I probably run at least a 80% ratio of wins against NB solo situations, and I know I make many angry when they expect an easy kill and find themselves dead shortly after the 'surprise' attack.

It's easier being hard to kill with a Sorc than a NB. That is all I found in there.

xxslam48xxb14_ESO

Sorcerer

k2blader wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Am i the only one that sees overload? Does anyone else notice this ultimate yet? Its just so weird the things that get whined about, but there is overload going completely unnoticed. Hitting for 13k with no sneak requirement and it can be spammed. Meh meteor hits once that hard and stuns if you dont block, OVERLOAD DOES IT 10+ TIMES! sorcs using atronach instead *facepalm*. Where do sorcs get off whining about nbs with stuff like this? The invincible shields, numerous skills to hit through roll and cloak. HOW???? How can any decent sorc lose to a nb in a real fight. Im about to go pure anti-sorc to make their life hell, but wait, is that even possible?? I honest to god want 1.5 dks back over this because at least they could be dealt with by using fear or just plain staying out of range.

I know how many current build fares at a 1v1 with a sorc. I charge in and put zero noticable difference in his shields, keeping block held the entire time so i can block his bolt stun. At some point he figures out hes godmode and goes on offense and dots me up so i cant cloak. GG. Cant even roll because they will just streak through me to stun->overload. GTFO saying nb is the best right now, I eat my own class for breakfast. A good sorc is the only untouchable class right now and no nirnhoned doesnt change anything, if anything it just lowers your dps to make it even harder to burst those shields.

Maybe you're the only one not dodge-rolling the slowish-moving-bright-white-orbs-coming-toward-your-face.

How does one dodge roll while stunned? No *** you can just roll it, but your not going to have 100% uptime on it if a sorc is any good at all. Anything else you want to point out captain obvious?

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Saft

Nightblade

Zhoyzu wrote: »

Voted templars, still cant kill the *** and i get wrecked when i try.

My Kill counter stats shows NBs as my most killed class, NB are also my most killed by class.
It also shows least kills on templars.

I dunno that might be explained by more players playing NB and Sorc rather then Templars in pvp now. Actually would be so interresting to see what the population numbers are like.

Durham

Sorcerer

Someone actually said DK?

k2blader

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

How does one dodge roll while stunned? No *** you can just roll it, but your not going to have 100% uptime on it if a sorc is any good at all. Anything else you want to point out captain obvious?

Sure. I was responding to your (bolded) complaint about overload. If you're now complaining about the 2-second knock down from crystal frags, be aware to block, reflect, break free, and (yes) dodge roll to mitigate that, not to mention a sorc's general effectiveness.

xxslam48xxb14_ESO

Sorcerer

k2blader wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

How does one dodge roll while stunned? No *** you can just roll it, but your not going to have 100% uptime on it if a sorc is any good at all. Anything else you want to point out captain obvious?

Sure. I was responding to your (bolded) complaint about overload. If you're now complaining about the 2-second knock down from crystal frags, be aware to block, reflect, break free, and (yes) dodge roll to mitigate that, not to mention a sorc's general effectiveness.

I complained about crystal frags? No sorry friend if im rolling crystal doesn't hit, its streak that hits through roll to stun me. CC break is too slow your gonna take at least one hit and with no class heals that are worth a damn that is a death sentence. Roll is so *** useless against an experienced opponent im just switching to a more tanky build. With how popular roll spam builds are now almost everyone carrys a tool to counter it and its just not worth doing. People please remember if a nb is rolling its cause it cant take any damage or its ***. One soul assault, a few radiants, or any other un rollable attack royally screws us over.

Erock25

Nightblade

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

How does one dodge roll while stunned? No *** you can just roll it, but your not going to have 100% uptime on it if a sorc is any good at all. Anything else you want to point out captain obvious?

Sure. I was responding to your (bolded) complaint about overload. If you're now complaining about the 2-second knock down from crystal frags, be aware to block, reflect, break free, and (yes) dodge roll to mitigate that, not to mention a sorc's general effectiveness.

I complained about crystal frags? No sorry friend if im rolling crystal doesn't hit, its streak that hits through roll to stun me. CC break is too slow your gonna take at least one hit and with no class heals that are worth a damn that is a death sentence. Roll is so *** useless against an experienced opponent im just switching to a more tanky build. With how popular roll spam builds are now almost everyone carrys a tool to counter it and its just not worth doing. People please remember if a nb is rolling its cause it cant take any damage or its ***. One soul assault, a few radiants, or any other un rollable attack royally screws us over.

Why do you keep posting this false information? You seem awfully proud to display your skill level deficiencies in a thread that shows that most people feel NB is the most powerful class.

xxslam48xxb14_ESO

Sorcerer

Erock25 wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

How does one dodge roll while stunned? No *** you can just roll it, but your not going to have 100% uptime on it if a sorc is any good at all. Anything else you want to point out captain obvious?

Sure. I was responding to your (bolded) complaint about overload. If you're now complaining about the 2-second knock down from crystal frags, be aware to block, reflect, break free, and (yes) dodge roll to mitigate that, not to mention a sorc's general effectiveness.

I complained about crystal frags? No sorry friend if im rolling crystal doesn't hit, its streak that hits through roll to stun me. CC break is too slow your gonna take at least one hit and with no class heals that are worth a damn that is a death sentence. Roll is so *** useless against an experienced opponent im just switching to a more tanky build. With how popular roll spam builds are now almost everyone carrys a tool to counter it and its just not worth doing. People please remember if a nb is rolling its cause it cant take any damage or its ***. One soul assault, a few radiants, or any other un rollable attack royally screws us over.

Why do you keep posting this false information? You seem awfully proud to display your skill level deficiencies in a thread that shows that most people feel NB is the most powerful class.

OK correct me then? What is not true? NO really go ahead i want to make you eat those words. Radiant does IN FACT hit rollers. Soul assault does in fact hit rollers. CC break does in fact take long enough to let someone hit you. I mean if thats not true in your experience, maybe, just maybe your the one lacking skill? I love some people.... cant think of anything to say worth reading-->insult.

Vis

Nightblade

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

How does one dodge roll while stunned? No *** you can just roll it, but your not going to have 100% uptime on it if a sorc is any good at all. Anything else you want to point out captain obvious?

Sure. I was responding to your (bolded) complaint about overload. If you're now complaining about the 2-second knock down from crystal frags, be aware to block, reflect, break free, and (yes) dodge roll to mitigate that, not to mention a sorc's general effectiveness.

I complained about crystal frags? No sorry friend if im rolling crystal doesn't hit, its streak that hits through roll to stun me. CC break is too slow your gonna take at least one hit and with no class heals that are worth a damn that is a death sentence. Roll is so *** useless against an experienced opponent im just switching to a more tanky build. With how popular roll spam builds are now almost everyone carrys a tool to counter it and its just not worth doing. People please remember if a nb is rolling its cause it cant take any damage or its ***. One soul assault, a few radiants, or any other un rollable attack royally screws us over.

Why do you keep posting this false information? You seem awfully proud to display your skill level deficiencies in a thread that shows that most people feel NB is the most powerful class.

OK correct me then? What is not true? NO really go ahead i want to make you eat those words. Radiant does IN FACT hit rollers. Soul assault does in fact hit rollers. CC break does in fact take long enough to let someone hit you. I mean if thats not true in your experience, maybe, just maybe your the one lacking skill? I love some people.... cant think of anything to say worth reading-->insult.

If you're a nightblade you can instantly interrupt both channels with cloak. What's there to complain about?

Edit: 1000th comment. Woot!

MisterBigglesworth

Caltrops.

...wait, what was the question?

xxslam48xxb14_ESO

Sorcerer

Vis wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

How does one dodge roll while stunned? No *** you can just roll it, but your not going to have 100% uptime on it if a sorc is any good at all. Anything else you want to point out captain obvious?

Sure. I was responding to your (bolded) complaint about overload. If you're now complaining about the 2-second knock down from crystal frags, be aware to block, reflect, break free, and (yes) dodge roll to mitigate that, not to mention a sorc's general effectiveness.

I complained about crystal frags? No sorry friend if im rolling crystal doesn't hit, its streak that hits through roll to stun me. CC break is too slow your gonna take at least one hit and with no class heals that are worth a damn that is a death sentence. Roll is so *** useless against an experienced opponent im just switching to a more tanky build. With how popular roll spam builds are now almost everyone carrys a tool to counter it and its just not worth doing. People please remember if a nb is rolling its cause it cant take any damage or its ***. One soul assault, a few radiants, or any other un rollable attack royally screws us over.

Why do you keep posting this false information? You seem awfully proud to display your skill level deficiencies in a thread that shows that most people feel NB is the most powerful class.

OK correct me then? What is not true? NO really go ahead i want to make you eat those words. Radiant does IN FACT hit rollers. Soul assault does in fact hit rollers. CC break does in fact take long enough to let someone hit you. I mean if thats not true in your experience, maybe, just maybe your the one lacking skill? I love some people.... cant think of anything to say worth reading-->insult.

If you're a nightblade you can instantly interrupt both channels with cloak. What's there to complain about?

Edit: 1000th comment. Woot!

Yeah........so what your saying is radiant can hit rollers and I am right? Im not the one complaining, im telling people what to do if they face a roll spammer. If I teach enough of these "nb op plz nerf" people how to counter the current nb build everyone uses maybe they will change their mind. Want to know what to do once we cloak out of radiant or soul assault? Go defensive because we will either attack shortly after or we will just *** off. If we run away then guess what? You won because your holding your ground and we are forced to retreat. Depending on your setup their is even ways to just continue attacking us after we cloak away. Lots of things that dark cloak doesn't remove like a sorcs curse or magicka det. Pulls us right out of stealth so you can continue to beat on us and since we are mostly stam builds we wont get to cloak much more then 4 times. Especially if the fight has been going on a while and we are already low on magicka.

Now I honestly wish a sorc could give me a step by step like that on how to beat them, but i think we all know they cant. They have tried, but they assume we will have our ultimate and a sneak attack with 4k wp to burst their shield. Some nbs do play with that much weapon power and honestly even I find that stupid(more of a zenimax problem then a class problem), but you cant say nb is op just because its the only thing that can possibly solo your shields long enough to get some health damage.

Sanct16

Nightblade

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How does one dodge roll while stunned? No *** you can just roll it, but your not going to have 100% uptime on it if a sorc is any good at all. Anything else you want to point out captain obvious?

Sure. I was responding to your (bolded) complaint about overload. If you're now complaining about the 2-second knock down from crystal frags, be aware to block, reflect, break free, and (yes) dodge roll to mitigate that, not to mention a sorc's general effectiveness.

I complained about crystal frags? No sorry friend if im rolling crystal doesn't hit, its streak that hits through roll to stun me. CC break is too slow your gonna take at least one hit and with no class heals that are worth a damn that is a death sentence. Roll is so *** useless against an experienced opponent im just switching to a more tanky build. With how popular roll spam builds are now almost everyone carrys a tool to counter it and its just not worth doing. People please remember if a nb is rolling its cause it cant take any damage or its ***. One soul assault, a few radiants, or any other un rollable attack royally screws us over.

Why do you keep posting this false information? You seem awfully proud to display your skill level deficiencies in a thread that shows that most people feel NB is the most powerful class.

OK correct me then? What is not true? NO really go ahead i want to make you eat those words. Radiant does IN FACT hit rollers. Soul assault does in fact hit rollers. CC break does in fact take long enough to let someone hit you. I mean if thats not true in your experience, maybe, just maybe your the one lacking skill? I love some people.... cant think of anything to say worth reading-->insult.

If you're a nightblade you can instantly interrupt both channels with cloak. What's there to complain about?

Edit: 1000th comment. Woot!

Yeah........so what your saying is radiant can hit rollers and I am right? Im not the one complaining, im telling people what to do if they face a roll spammer. If I teach enough of these "nb op plz nerf" people how to counter the current nb build everyone uses maybe they will change their mind. Want to know what to do once we cloak out of radiant or soul assault? Go defensive because we will either attack shortly after or we will just *** off. If we run away then guess what? You won because your holding your ground and we are forced to retreat. Depending on your setup their is even ways to just continue attacking us after we cloak away. Lots of things that dark cloak doesn't remove like a sorcs curse or magicka det. Pulls us right out of stealth so you can continue to beat on us and since we are mostly stam builds we wont get to cloak much more then 4 times. Especially if the fight has been going on a while and we are already low on magicka.

Now I honestly wish a sorc could give me a step by step like that on how to beat them, but i think we all know they cant. They have tried, but they assume we will have our ultimate and a sneak attack with 4k wp to burst their shield. Some nbs do play with that much weapon power and honestly even I find that stupid(more of a zenimax problem then a class problem), but you cant say nb is op just because its the only thing that can possibly solo your shields long enough to get some health damage.

Fear the sorc. There are barely any specs with enough staminaregeneration to cc break on CD.
Apart from that just keep dodging all the time and use smth like flying blade to animation cancel.

Last Nb I duelled had full nirn. My Cf crits hit him for around 5k. So even if I managed to cc him and focus him a bit he was far from dieing.

Lava_Croft

Other (Please Explain)

Magicka Sorcerers and Stamina Nightblades.