Nirnhoned + Roll Spamming

Methuselah

Teargrants wrote: »

TagaParti wrote: »

No matter what FOTM builds there are, they will all look like thrash. Sheliza has found her post 1.5 Unkillable build. Bring out the strongest DPS and try it out. But I think I already tried! There is this 1 guy in the game, hitting for 35k damage in 0.8 seconds, anyone wont survive against her except the Unkillable.

Yeah, and his name is Fall Damage.

RinaldoGandolphi

Ezareth wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

you think stamina builds are hard NOW? you should have tried one pre 1.6 @Ezareth. then you would understand why magicka builds have such a stigma surrounding them. they were OP as heck pre 1.6, and stamina was UP as heck pre 1.6

I am not trying to talk crap, just wanted to drop some insight in:)

if you ever need help with your stamblade, contact me. I've played them since beta.

He's being sarcastic Cody.

well, this is embarrassing.

still Ezareth, if you need help with a stamina NB contact me.

I'm having a blast with my nightblade and I make it a special point to kill each and every sorc I see. I'm ohh so hoping to find a night blade who rerolled sorc. I mean I'm only level 30 now the best I can 1vx right now is 2-3 people depending on their class and skill but its absurd how I'm bursting down people with 30K hitpoints in seconds while in the non-vet campaign. There is so much synergy with the NB class right now.

The only things I have no clue about are stealth and whether I'm hidden or what. The whole concept of stealth is annoying to me. I usually just say screw it and play my NB like my sorc. Let them see me coming, I only use the bow right now for a ranged interrupt. I'll use cloak as an escape or for guaranteed crits(lol) but seriously 1600 stamina regen at L30 and no more CP into stamina regen than magicka? Insane.

I don't see how NBs say they don't have class heals. Mark Target. Kill target in 3-4 seconds and finish with execute... Full Heal. Mark next target rinse repeat. I'll get fear some time tonight and then the real fun will begin.

@Ezareth

Absolutely! Nightblades have been very very good for quite sometime in the hands of a skilled player such as Araxleon, Sypher, Telel, and now you Imagine if they get their way nerfing Hardened Ward, You could say goodbye to Sorc's all together then.

Templars can be very good as well if speced right. I have a Level 40 Tank Templar on Blackwater, and its really ridiculous how much damage i can not only tank, but dish out and im not even properly geared or speced yet...just wait till i unlock Blazing Shield(which should be tonight) oh boy. I have been questing mostly the last day or so because sadly the EXP gain is faster and i need the skill points.

I started out with two handed and sword and board, but i think im dropping two handed and just sticking to sword and board all together, the amount of damage i can spit out though has taken folks by surprise considering my defensive nature. this will be even better with Blazing Shield.

The other night, i was running around the fields outside of Fort Ash mine jumping around like a noob swinging my sword, and was jumped by 2 Nightblades, who put up a good fight, but they simply couldn't get past my defenses. Fear right now is simply an inconvenience, as Breaking Free might as well be free for me, and i can block for an eternity and i don't even have the optimal gear for it yet. Considering BB cuts my Physical Defense over half of what it is outside of BB due to Battle Leveling, yup.

Nightblades, Templars, and DK are all very good in their own right, much better off then some will want folks to believe.

Did you re-roll to DC/EP or are you sticking to AD?

Ezareth

woodsro wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

you think stamina builds are hard NOW? you should have tried one pre 1.6 @Ezareth. then you would understand why magicka builds have such a stigma surrounding them. they were OP as heck pre 1.6, and stamina was UP as heck pre 1.6

I am not trying to talk crap, just wanted to drop some insight in:)

if you ever need help with your stamblade, contact me. I've played them since beta.

He's being sarcastic Cody.

well, this is embarrassing.

still Ezareth, if you need help with a stamina NB contact me.

I'm having a blast with my nightblade and I make it a special point to kill each and every sorc I see. I'm ohh so hoping to find a night blade who rerolled sorc. I mean I'm only level 30 now the best I can 1vx right now is 2-3 people depending on their class and skill but its absurd how I'm bursting down people with 30K hitpoints in seconds while in the non-vet campaign. There is so much synergy with the NB class right now.

The only things I have no clue about are stealth and whether I'm hidden or what. The whole concept of stealth is annoying to me. I usually just say screw it and play my NB like my sorc. Let them see me coming, I only use the bow right now for a ranged interrupt. I'll use cloak as an escape or for guaranteed crits(lol) but seriously 1600 stamina regen at L30 and no more CP into stamina regen than magicka? Insane.

I don't see how NBs say they don't have class heals. Mark Target. Kill target in 3-4 seconds and finish with execute... Full Heal. Mark next target rinse repeat. I'll get fear some time tonight and then the real fun will begin.

@Ezareth

Absolutely! Nightblades have been very very good for quite sometime in the hands of a skilled player such as Araxleon, Sypher, Telel, and now you Imagine if they get their way nerfing Hardened Ward, You could say goodbye to Sorc's all together then.

Templars can be very good as well if speced right. I have a Level 40 Tank Templar on Blackwater, and its really ridiculous how much damage i can not only tank, but dish out and im not even properly geared or speced yet...just wait till i unlock Blazing Shield(which should be tonight) oh boy. I have been questing mostly the last day or so because sadly the EXP gain is faster and i need the skill points.

I started out with two handed and sword and board, but i think im dropping two handed and just sticking to sword and board all together, the amount of damage i can spit out though has taken folks by surprise considering my defensive nature. this will be even better with Blazing Shield.

The other night, i was running around the fields outside of Fort Ash mine jumping around like a noob swinging my sword, and was jumped by 2 Nightblades, who put up a good fight, but they simply couldn't get past my defenses. Fear right now is simply an inconvenience, as Breaking Free might as well be free for me, and i can block for an eternity and i don't even have the optimal gear for it yet. Considering BB cuts my Physical Defense over half of what it is outside of BB due to Battle Leveling, yup.

Nightblades, Templars, and DK are all very good in their own right, much better off then some will want folks to believe.

Did you re-roll to DC/EP or are you sticking to AD?

Yeah good sorcs can be tough to fight but most of the ones I've come across are just not good. I'm almost to the point where I just can't run out of Stamina and then I'm going to start pumping my magicka regen.

I rolled DC because there are some AD I've always wanted to kill. I'm going to play around with either S&B or resto staff. I want to see how useful S&B with puncture with a Master sword is and Stamina NBs with reflect seem like they'd be amusing (and a terror for a sorc to fight). The bow just always seems like a cowards weapon to me.

The biggest weakness to the NB class right now is the lack of a strong guaranteed heal. Once I get vigor I don't see how another class would have an advantage against them. Templars with beam are actually pretty decent against lowbie NBs unless they're running Venom Arrow.

Oughash

Ezareth wrote: »

I rolled DC because there are some AD I've always wanted to kill. I'm going to play around with either S&B or resto staff. I want to see how useful S&B with puncture with a Master sword is and Stamina NBs with reflect seem like they'd be amusing (and a terror for a sorc to fight). The bow just always seems like a cowards weapon to me.

Puncture is bad, even w/ the heal from the master's sword. Although I guess for a NB it might make a difference.
Low slash is better.

RinaldoGandolphi

Ezareth wrote: »

woodsro wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

you think stamina builds are hard NOW? you should have tried one pre 1.6 @Ezareth. then you would understand why magicka builds have such a stigma surrounding them. they were OP as heck pre 1.6, and stamina was UP as heck pre 1.6

I am not trying to talk crap, just wanted to drop some insight in:)

if you ever need help with your stamblade, contact me. I've played them since beta.

He's being sarcastic Cody.

well, this is embarrassing.

still Ezareth, if you need help with a stamina NB contact me.

I'm having a blast with my nightblade and I make it a special point to kill each and every sorc I see. I'm ohh so hoping to find a night blade who rerolled sorc. I mean I'm only level 30 now the best I can 1vx right now is 2-3 people depending on their class and skill but its absurd how I'm bursting down people with 30K hitpoints in seconds while in the non-vet campaign. There is so much synergy with the NB class right now.

The only things I have no clue about are stealth and whether I'm hidden or what. The whole concept of stealth is annoying to me. I usually just say screw it and play my NB like my sorc. Let them see me coming, I only use the bow right now for a ranged interrupt. I'll use cloak as an escape or for guaranteed crits(lol) but seriously 1600 stamina regen at L30 and no more CP into stamina regen than magicka? Insane.

I don't see how NBs say they don't have class heals. Mark Target. Kill target in 3-4 seconds and finish with execute... Full Heal. Mark next target rinse repeat. I'll get fear some time tonight and then the real fun will begin.

@Ezareth

Absolutely! Nightblades have been very very good for quite sometime in the hands of a skilled player such as Araxleon, Sypher, Telel, and now you Imagine if they get their way nerfing Hardened Ward, You could say goodbye to Sorc's all together then.

Templars can be very good as well if speced right. I have a Level 40 Tank Templar on Blackwater, and its really ridiculous how much damage i can not only tank, but dish out and im not even properly geared or speced yet...just wait till i unlock Blazing Shield(which should be tonight) oh boy. I have been questing mostly the last day or so because sadly the EXP gain is faster and i need the skill points.

I started out with two handed and sword and board, but i think im dropping two handed and just sticking to sword and board all together, the amount of damage i can spit out though has taken folks by surprise considering my defensive nature. this will be even better with Blazing Shield.

The other night, i was running around the fields outside of Fort Ash mine jumping around like a noob swinging my sword, and was jumped by 2 Nightblades, who put up a good fight, but they simply couldn't get past my defenses. Fear right now is simply an inconvenience, as Breaking Free might as well be free for me, and i can block for an eternity and i don't even have the optimal gear for it yet. Considering BB cuts my Physical Defense over half of what it is outside of BB due to Battle Leveling, yup.

Nightblades, Templars, and DK are all very good in their own right, much better off then some will want folks to believe.

Did you re-roll to DC/EP or are you sticking to AD?

Yeah good sorcs can be tough to fight but most of the ones I've come across are just not good. I'm almost to the point where I just can't run out of Stamina and then I'm going to start pumping my magicka regen.

I rolled DC because there are some AD I've always wanted to kill. I'm going to play around with either S&B or resto staff. I want to see how useful S&B with puncture with a Master sword is and Stamina NBs with reflect seem like they'd be amusing (and a terror for a sorc to fight). The bow just always seems like a cowards weapon to me.

The biggest weakness to the NB class right now is the lack of a strong guaranteed heal. Once I get vigor I don't see how another class would have an advantage against them. Templars with beam are actually pretty decent against lowbie NBs unless they're running Venom Arrow.

Oh Awesome @Ezareth Glad to have you on the DC side from time to time now!

A Stamina Nightblade with Reflect would be a very tough nut to crack for a Sorc, besides im sure you could get some laughs out of reflecting some poor saps Overload.

Yes, the Bow kinda became the defacto ganker weapon. I can see your point there. Resto Staff would give you Healing Ward and probably make you overall more versatile.

Puncture with a Master Sword sounds like it could be good. If you could combine the Puncture with the Master's Sword with a Scourge Harvester Set from the Undaunted Sets, wow. You could suck your opponents health like mad with the added bonus of stealing health from them and healing you to boot. Just an idea.

The Nightblade has a lot of ways they can go which is a positive of the class, some of the best tanks i have ran with were nightblades, seems they can do a vareity of roles well.

Im not sure if i'll use the Jesus Beam or not. I amy work it in with a rotation with Power of The Light.

Regardless, Glad to have a player such as yourself on the DC side a bit! As always thanks for all your great advice! i appreciate it, You math breakdowns have been invaluable!

Jules

Teargrants wrote: »

TagaParti wrote: »

No matter what FOTM builds there are, they will all look like thrash. Sheliza has found her post 1.5 Unkillable build. Bring out the strongest DPS and try it out. But I think I already tried! There is this 1 guy in the game, hitting for 35k damage in 0.8 seconds, anyone wont survive against her except the Unkillable.

Yeah, and his name is Fall Damage.

HAHAHAHAHA

Vanzen

Fear, insane burst, infinite dodge rolling, cloak ... Add Nirnhoned on top ...
NB supremacy is getting totaly out of control. And its becoming more and more so with each cp gained.

Cody

Ezareth wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

you think stamina builds are hard NOW? you should have tried one pre 1.6 @Ezareth. then you would understand why magicka builds have such a stigma surrounding them. they were OP as heck pre 1.6, and stamina was UP as heck pre 1.6

I am not trying to talk crap, just wanted to drop some insight in:)

if you ever need help with your stamblade, contact me. I've played them since beta.

He's being sarcastic Cody.

well, this is embarrassing.

still Ezareth, if you need help with a stamina NB contact me.

I'm having a blast with my nightblade and I make it a special point to kill each and every sorc I see. I'm ohh so hoping to find a night blade who rerolled sorc. I mean I'm only level 30 now the best I can 1vx right now is 2-3 people depending on their class and skill but its absurd how I'm bursting down people with 30K hitpoints in seconds while in the non-vet campaign. There is so much synergy with the NB class right now.

The only things I have no clue about are stealth and whether I'm hidden or what. The whole concept of stealth is annoying to me. I usually just say screw it and play my NB like my sorc. Let them see me coming, I only use the bow right now for a ranged interrupt. I'll use cloak as an escape or for guaranteed crits(lol) but seriously 1600 stamina regen at L30 and no more CP into stamina regen than magicka? Insane.

I don't see how NBs say they don't have class heals. Mark Target. Kill target in 3-4 seconds and finish with execute... Full Heal. Mark next target rinse repeat. I'll get fear some time tonight and then the real fun will begin.

mark target requires that you kill the target for the heal, which must be done quick in 1vX scenarios. This is hard if your enemies actually know what they are doing. This heal is also useless in 1v1 scenarios for obvious reasons.

NBs do have class heals... they either just outright suck or are very situational. we have to go 2H, go thru a year long grind to get vigor, or use a resto staff, to get any decent self heals.

then again, if NBs did have self heals, they would be OP, so I myself tolerate it.

and how the hell do you have 1600 regen at level 30??? my Vr14 only has 1.1k regen!:(

i bet its because of CPs.... f***. why did ZOS have to put those passives in the CS? why cant they have let resource regen stay with appropriate armors and actual in-game items/powers?

bah, oh well. Just dont abuse it too much plz:) leave the endless resource crap in the vet servers where it belongs.

what is your BB characters name?perhaps i will hunt you down....

kijima

Teargrants wrote: »

Vis wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Capped spell resistance with max dps roll dodge spam full regen.

FENGRUSH cuts through it all the same.

And I solo all trials in under 10 seconds. This claiming stuff without details is a fun game.

Come back when you can solo the Load Screen boss in under 10 seconds.

#KidsTheseDays

Load Screen = OP

Cody

kijima wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Vis wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Capped spell resistance with max dps roll dodge spam full regen.

FENGRUSH cuts through it all the same.

And I solo all trials in under 10 seconds. This claiming stuff without details is a fun game.

Come back when you can solo the Load Screen boss in under 10 seconds.

#KidsTheseDays

Load Screen = OP

I find spamming fear helps.

Xael

Ezareth wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

you think stamina builds are hard NOW? you should have tried one pre 1.6 @Ezareth. then you would understand why magicka builds have such a stigma surrounding them. they were OP as heck pre 1.6, and stamina was UP as heck pre 1.6

I am not trying to talk crap, just wanted to drop some insight in:)

if you ever need help with your stamblade, contact me. I've played them since beta.

He's being sarcastic Cody.

well, this is embarrassing.

still Ezareth, if you need help with a stamina NB contact me.

I'm having a blast with my nightblade and I make it a special point to kill each and every sorc I see. I'm ohh so hoping to find a night blade who rerolled sorc. I mean I'm only level 30 now the best I can 1vx right now is 2-3 people depending on their class and skill but its absurd how I'm bursting down people with 30K hitpoints in seconds while in the non-vet campaign. There is so much synergy with the NB class right now.

The only things I have no clue about are stealth and whether I'm hidden or what. The whole concept of stealth is annoying to me. I usually just say screw it and play my NB like my sorc. Let them see me coming, I only use the bow right now for a ranged interrupt. I'll use cloak as an escape or for guaranteed crits(lol) but seriously 1600 stamina regen at L30 and no more CP into stamina regen than magicka? Insane.

I don't see how NBs say they don't have class heals. Mark Target. Kill target in 3-4 seconds and finish with execute... Full Heal. Mark next target rinse repeat. I'll get fear some time tonight and then the real fun will begin.

You should try a DK.
It's funny because certain people begin making NB streams and all of a sudden it's the new "go to" class and everyone jumps on the bandwagon. And now it's "omfg nb so op, nerf plx!"

I find it hilarious I can do the same damn thing with any class stam version. Sorc though is definitely the weakest of the 4 for stam. DK's though are absolutely ridiculous. You can easily make Cyrodiil your toilet.

Lesspa

35k sp resist via 5 nirn, 1800 stam regen, trops down, good luck getting me, nubs.

haha i love when im riding on horse, not even paying attention, and some try hard sorc tries to gank me, ends up stunning me, yet i still rolfstomp his booty. hehe get rekt kids.

no but seriously nirn is stupidly broken and dodge roll meta is a joke.

thanks ZOS.

Ezareth

Ishammael wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

I rolled DC because there are some AD I've always wanted to kill. I'm going to play around with either S&B or resto staff. I want to see how useful S&B with puncture with a Master sword is and Stamina NBs with reflect seem like they'd be amusing (and a terror for a sorc to fight). The bow just always seems like a cowards weapon to me.

Puncture is bad, even w/ the heal from the master's sword. Although I guess for a NB it might make a difference.
Low slash is better.

Question: Does the Pierce Armor morph reduce spell resistance twice? Once for the Armor, and once again on the Spell resistance? Or are the two separated for the purpose of the calculation? Actually now that I think about it it probably doesn't stack with mark which would probably render it useless. Damn I was hoping to have a reason to use that sword.

Cody wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

you think stamina builds are hard NOW? you should have tried one pre 1.6 @Ezareth. then you would understand why magicka builds have such a stigma surrounding them. they were OP as heck pre 1.6, and stamina was UP as heck pre 1.6

I am not trying to talk crap, just wanted to drop some insight in:)

if you ever need help with your stamblade, contact me. I've played them since beta.

He's being sarcastic Cody.

well, this is embarrassing.

still Ezareth, if you need help with a stamina NB contact me.

I'm having a blast with my nightblade and I make it a special point to kill each and every sorc I see. I'm ohh so hoping to find a night blade who rerolled sorc. I mean I'm only level 30 now the best I can 1vx right now is 2-3 people depending on their class and skill but its absurd how I'm bursting down people with 30K hitpoints in seconds while in the non-vet campaign. There is so much synergy with the NB class right now.

The only things I have no clue about are stealth and whether I'm hidden or what. The whole concept of stealth is annoying to me. I usually just say screw it and play my NB like my sorc. Let them see me coming, I only use the bow right now for a ranged interrupt. I'll use cloak as an escape or for guaranteed crits(lol) but seriously 1600 stamina regen at L30 and no more CP into stamina regen than magicka? Insane.

I don't see how NBs say they don't have class heals. Mark Target. Kill target in 3-4 seconds and finish with execute... Full Heal. Mark next target rinse repeat. I'll get fear some time tonight and then the real fun will begin.

mark target requires that you kill the target for the heal, which must be done quick in 1vX scenarios. This is hard if your enemies actually know what they are doing. This heal is also useless in 1v1 scenarios for obvious reasons.

NBs do have class heals... they either just outright suck or are very situational. we have to go 2H, go thru a year long grind to get vigor, or use a resto staff, to get any decent self heals.

then again, if NBs did have self heals, they would be OP, so I myself tolerate it.

and how the hell do you have 1600 regen at level 30??? my Vr14 only has 1.1k regen!:(

i bet its because of CPs.... f***. why did ZOS have to put those passives in the CS? why cant they have let resource regen stay with appropriate armors and actual in-game items/powers?

bah, oh well. Just dont abuse it too much plz:) leave the endless resource crap in the vet servers where it belongs.

what is your BB characters name?perhaps i will hunt you down....

I'm at just under 1800 Regen now at Level 35 with L35 Stam/Mag drink. It isn't because I have massive CPs, I still have under less than 200 CPs.
Nightblade 30%.
Vampire 10%.
Bosmer 21%.
7 Piece Medium Armor 28%.
*10% Stamina regen in CPs.
~1800 Stam regen is easy, I don't even have a single Stam regen set bonus.

#BosmerMasterRace

The name is Ezareth-Ali you can't miss it, just look for the zerg swarm on the NB/Templar combo.

Emma_Overload

Vis wrote: »

Think about how annoying it is to kill someone roll tanking.

Think of all the available counters to a roll spammer.

Now think how more and more of them are beginning to run full stamina dps while maintaining capped spell resistance.

Enough said.

LOL, you would think from all the threads like this that NO ONE is getting killed in Cyrodiil...

RIDICULOUS!

I can assure you from personal experience that PvP players are dying ALL THE TIME, and all the Nirnhoned dodge-rolling in the world ain't stoppin' it from happening. It only takes me like 10 seconds after spotting the enemy to get killed... that's not fast enough for you?

Spangla

k2blader wrote: »

Spangla, you're the master baiter.

Thanks:)

shane.roberts25b14_ESO

Nerfs are not the answer. The real problem lies in damage scaling with resource pools, coupled with virtually infinite resource pools due to the removal of soft caps. Either re-instate soft caps OR remove damage scaling and problem solved.

Joy_Division

Methuselah wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

TagaParti wrote: »

No matter what FOTM builds there are, they will all look like thrash. Sheliza has found her post 1.5 Unkillable build. Bring out the strongest DPS and try it out. But I think I already tried! There is this 1 guy in the game, hitting for 35k damage in 0.8 seconds, anyone wont survive against her except the Unkillable.

Yeah, and his name is Fall Damage.

Watch your step

k2blader

Ezareth wrote: »

#BosmerMasterRace

The name is Ezareth-Ali you can't miss it, just look for the zerg swarm on the NB/Templar combo.

Last night I set foot back in nonvet for the first time in a long time, on my baby NB, and had a blast trying to kill you (along with 2-4 other people or so, lol). I don't know how you disappear so easily. :-) You did hit me with a wrecking blow or two which did make me kinda sad as I think that's as "bad" as the bow these days. But hey, not complaining really. I run bow and S&B but am contemplating 2H for the laughs.

Ezareth

k2blader wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

#BosmerMasterRace

The name is Ezareth-Ali you can't miss it, just look for the zerg swarm on the NB/Templar combo.

Last night I set foot back in nonvet for the first time in a long time, on my baby NB, and had a blast trying to kill you (along with 2-4 other people or so, lol). I don't know how you disappear so easily. :-) You did hit me with a wrecking blow or two which did make me kinda sad as I think that's as "bad" as the bow these days. But hey, not complaining really. I run bow and S&B but am contemplating 2H for the laughs.

Yeah I'm having a blast stepping up to the plate as the batter and not the foul ball for a change ( =

Were you 1 of the 5 or so guys camping her corpse while I kept trying to lure you away to ress her or was it another of the crazy zerg running zerg fights we engaged in?

The most difficult thing for me right now is those fire magicka DKs as I'm a low level vamp (don't have undeath or stalker yet) and everyone has the same relatively low resistances.

Crit charge almost makes me feel like I'm playing my sorc. Put me in the middle of a zerg and I'm just bouncing from one player to the next with near-infinite stamina and they almost seem confused with how to react. There are other times where I wish to god I had bolt escape when you get like 8 people on top of you zerging you down, but there are also times when I can just "hang" in the middle of a group of players like I never could on my sorc because of dodge roll, crit charge and dark cloak.

Cody

Ezareth wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

I rolled DC because there are some AD I've always wanted to kill. I'm going to play around with either S&B or resto staff. I want to see how useful S&B with puncture with a Master sword is and Stamina NBs with reflect seem like they'd be amusing (and a terror for a sorc to fight). The bow just always seems like a cowards weapon to me.

Puncture is bad, even w/ the heal from the master's sword. Although I guess for a NB it might make a difference.
Low slash is better.

Question: Does the Pierce Armor morph reduce spell resistance twice? Once for the Armor, and once again on the Spell resistance? Or are the two separated for the purpose of the calculation? Actually now that I think about it it probably doesn't stack with mark which would probably render it useless. Damn I was hoping to have a reason to use that sword.

Cody wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

you think stamina builds are hard NOW? you should have tried one pre 1.6 @Ezareth. then you would understand why magicka builds have such a stigma surrounding them. they were OP as heck pre 1.6, and stamina was UP as heck pre 1.6

I am not trying to talk crap, just wanted to drop some insight in:)

if you ever need help with your stamblade, contact me. I've played them since beta.

He's being sarcastic Cody.

well, this is embarrassing.

still Ezareth, if you need help with a stamina NB contact me.

I'm having a blast with my nightblade and I make it a special point to kill each and every sorc I see. I'm ohh so hoping to find a night blade who rerolled sorc. I mean I'm only level 30 now the best I can 1vx right now is 2-3 people depending on their class and skill but its absurd how I'm bursting down people with 30K hitpoints in seconds while in the non-vet campaign. There is so much synergy with the NB class right now.

The only things I have no clue about are stealth and whether I'm hidden or what. The whole concept of stealth is annoying to me. I usually just say screw it and play my NB like my sorc. Let them see me coming, I only use the bow right now for a ranged interrupt. I'll use cloak as an escape or for guaranteed crits(lol) but seriously 1600 stamina regen at L30 and no more CP into stamina regen than magicka? Insane.

I don't see how NBs say they don't have class heals. Mark Target. Kill target in 3-4 seconds and finish with execute... Full Heal. Mark next target rinse repeat. I'll get fear some time tonight and then the real fun will begin.

mark target requires that you kill the target for the heal, which must be done quick in 1vX scenarios. This is hard if your enemies actually know what they are doing. This heal is also useless in 1v1 scenarios for obvious reasons.

NBs do have class heals... they either just outright suck or are very situational. we have to go 2H, go thru a year long grind to get vigor, or use a resto staff, to get any decent self heals.

then again, if NBs did have self heals, they would be OP, so I myself tolerate it.

and how the hell do you have 1600 regen at level 30??? my Vr14 only has 1.1k regen!:(

i bet its because of CPs.... f***. why did ZOS have to put those passives in the CS? why cant they have let resource regen stay with appropriate armors and actual in-game items/powers?

bah, oh well. Just dont abuse it too much plz:) leave the endless resource crap in the vet servers where it belongs.

what is your BB characters name?perhaps i will hunt you down....

I'm at just under 1800 Regen now at Level 35 with L35 Stam/Mag drink. It isn't because I have massive CPs, I still have under less than 200 CPs.
Nightblade 30%.
Vampire 10%.
Bosmer 21%.
7 Piece Medium Armor 28%.
*10% Stamina regen in CPs.
~1800 Stam regen is easy, I don't even have a single Stam regen set bonus.

#BosmerMasterRace

The name is Ezareth-Ali you can't miss it, just look for the zerg swarm on the NB/Templar combo.

well,thats balance right there. 17K resource pools, 1.8K regen every 2 seconds......

I will still kill you though. broken mechanics or not

Cinnamon_Spider

Cody wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

I rolled DC because there are some AD I've always wanted to kill. I'm going to play around with either S&B or resto staff. I want to see how useful S&B with puncture with a Master sword is and Stamina NBs with reflect seem like they'd be amusing (and a terror for a sorc to fight). The bow just always seems like a cowards weapon to me.

Puncture is bad, even w/ the heal from the master's sword. Although I guess for a NB it might make a difference.
Low slash is better.

Question: Does the Pierce Armor morph reduce spell resistance twice? Once for the Armor, and once again on the Spell resistance? Or are the two separated for the purpose of the calculation? Actually now that I think about it it probably doesn't stack with mark which would probably render it useless. Damn I was hoping to have a reason to use that sword.

Cody wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

you think stamina builds are hard NOW? you should have tried one pre 1.6 @Ezareth. then you would understand why magicka builds have such a stigma surrounding them. they were OP as heck pre 1.6, and stamina was UP as heck pre 1.6

I am not trying to talk crap, just wanted to drop some insight in:)

if you ever need help with your stamblade, contact me. I've played them since beta.

He's being sarcastic Cody.

well, this is embarrassing.

still Ezareth, if you need help with a stamina NB contact me.

I'm having a blast with my nightblade and I make it a special point to kill each and every sorc I see. I'm ohh so hoping to find a night blade who rerolled sorc. I mean I'm only level 30 now the best I can 1vx right now is 2-3 people depending on their class and skill but its absurd how I'm bursting down people with 30K hitpoints in seconds while in the non-vet campaign. There is so much synergy with the NB class right now.

The only things I have no clue about are stealth and whether I'm hidden or what. The whole concept of stealth is annoying to me. I usually just say screw it and play my NB like my sorc. Let them see me coming, I only use the bow right now for a ranged interrupt. I'll use cloak as an escape or for guaranteed crits(lol) but seriously 1600 stamina regen at L30 and no more CP into stamina regen than magicka? Insane.

I don't see how NBs say they don't have class heals. Mark Target. Kill target in 3-4 seconds and finish with execute... Full Heal. Mark next target rinse repeat. I'll get fear some time tonight and then the real fun will begin.

mark target requires that you kill the target for the heal, which must be done quick in 1vX scenarios. This is hard if your enemies actually know what they are doing. This heal is also useless in 1v1 scenarios for obvious reasons.

NBs do have class heals... they either just outright suck or are very situational. we have to go 2H, go thru a year long grind to get vigor, or use a resto staff, to get any decent self heals.

then again, if NBs did have self heals, they would be OP, so I myself tolerate it.

and how the hell do you have 1600 regen at level 30??? my Vr14 only has 1.1k regen!:(

i bet its because of CPs.... f***. why did ZOS have to put those passives in the CS? why cant they have let resource regen stay with appropriate armors and actual in-game items/powers?

bah, oh well. Just dont abuse it too much plz:) leave the endless resource crap in the vet servers where it belongs.

what is your BB characters name?perhaps i will hunt you down....

I'm at just under 1800 Regen now at Level 35 with L35 Stam/Mag drink. It isn't because I have massive CPs, I still have under less than 200 CPs.
Nightblade 30%.
Vampire 10%.
Bosmer 21%.
7 Piece Medium Armor 28%.
*10% Stamina regen in CPs.
~1800 Stam regen is easy, I don't even have a single Stam regen set bonus.

#BosmerMasterRace

The name is Ezareth-Ali you can't miss it, just look for the zerg swarm on the NB/Templar combo.

well,thats balance right there. 17K resource pools, 1.8K regen every 2 seconds......

I will still kill you though. broken mechanics or not

First you'll have to take out the templar he's with that has 1800 magic regen and will be spamming BoL

Rust_in_Peace

Show me a single build that uses crafted gear with full nirn as stamina and I will show you a build that can't kill a damn thing.

#SorcTearsareDelicious

Zsymon

I don't get why people are complaining about dodge roll, every class and build has powerful spells and skills available that ignore dodge. Magicka Detonation can hit for 20K and goes right through dodge, flame whip, puncturing strikes, surprise attack, daedric curse, crushing shock.. they all ignore dodge. If you have problems hitting with the melee abilities, just snare them. Use those abilities instead of trying to hit a dodger with projectiles.

If you nerf dodge, you bring stamina survivability back down to pre 1.6. A good magicka DK, NB or Sorc can stomp on dodgers easily, if you just use abilities that go through dodge instead of complaining about your projectiles missing.

Lyzaaa

Vanzen wrote: »

Fear, insane burst, infinite dodge rolling, cloak ... Add Nirnhoned on top ...
NB supremacy is getting totaly out of control. And its becoming more and more so with each cp gained.

Someone gets it. NB scales by far the most of all classes being invulnerable thru dodge roll and still gaining burst this way. U will die trying to kill one as u will just be out of stamina before the NB does ( someone gave NB's a *** 30% stamina regen thru passives, legit )

But hey, i posted it a while back, this discussion, every thread will move on and look at sorcs or something stupid. People still defend NB thinking it needs a class heal or shield - even tho they're already the tankiest class thru dodgeroll/dark cloak. AKA NB's commenting needing a heal or shield just dont know how to play.

It doesn't matter I said it before and i'll say it again ; just wait till everyone rerolled NB , yesterday like 90% of the people i came across in cyro were NB's.. Just wait till they figure how to play or scale enough to have those unlimitedresources. Oh man undying PvP is gonna be SO much fun. Really, and lets not nerf NB's before vigor gets rank 5, thats gonna be REALLY REALLY fun.

I'm currently casually playing this game cause it's just beyond out of balance, people still deny it but its the truth. I'm just waiting to see what the next balancing brings aaand if its bad i'll just play even less cassually or quit, cause honestly it's no fu n to play against an undying class hoping they make a mistake on their end. Specially if we know making that mistake is gonna be NP as soon as vigor comes out. All hail Nightblade masterclass we have no counter. All reroll!

EDIT: just noticed this rant is only about nightblade such wall of text, didnt even start about sorcs whoa!

Lyzaaa

Zsymon wrote: »

I don't get why people are complaining about dodge roll, every class and build has powerful spells and skills available that ignore dodge. Magicka Detonation can hit for 20K and goes right through dodge, flame whip, puncturing strikes, surprise attack, daedric curse, crushing shock.. they all ignore dodge. If you have problems hitting with the melee abilities, just snare them. Use those abilities instead of trying to hit a dodger with projectiles.

If you nerf dodge, you bring stamina survivability back down to pre 1.6. A good magicka DK, NB or Sorc can stomp on dodgers easily, if you just use abilities that go through dodge instead of complaining about your projectiles missing.

Good point, but magicka detonation has a cast time, dunno if a good NB is gonna let u cast that, not to mention we're talking about nirnhoned aswell here, u sure about that 20k? ^^ , flame whip doenst deal enough damage like cmon why would a NB dodgeroll if u have to flamewhip for 3 hours and he can burst u in a second? LOL puncturning strikes.. lmao, suprise attack, well guess which masterclass has this skill?

Snare them? LOL u know what counters snare and immobilizes?

Then they fear u, u have to break free, and u keep on thinking u can kill the NB, until u realize they can reach 3k + stamina regen.. but the moment u realized that u were looking at ur deathrecap thinking, how the hell did he dodge everything dark cloak every spell and still continued to perma fear me and burst me the moment i was out of stamina? how do i fight le this masterclass? - Going back to the action thinking, hmm i'll just slot these skills and i'll counter them somewhat.. still dies LOL

Doesn't anyone realize that NB's have superior Regeneration but MOST important THEIR skills are multi use. If you play a stamina DK you won't have the damage a NB has, hell u'll be short of slots in ur skillbar to achieve remotely what a NB does in fihgts. Then when u hop on ur NB u realize all u need is a gapcloser, suprise attack, fear, an executioner and ur ult.

Zsymon

Dude you are seriously over reacting, DKs destroy people with Fossilize + Wrecking Blow just the same, Sorcs destroy people in one shot with Curse, Frags and Detonation combos.. someone spoke about how they had a Sorc cast Detonation on one of them, streak inside their group, cast two Fire Rings and watch them all explode. One Sorc instantly destroying a whole group of people, without losing a single hit point due to have triple shields (40K shield points stacked). Stamina NBs can't do this or anything remotely similar.

Every class except Templars can destroy people in seconds, this has nothing to do with Nightblades. It is a matter of the insane uncapped damage. Nightblades die in seconds just like anyone else, high regen, Cloak and dodge does nothing to protect them from this (unlike shields). Detection pots negate Cloak completely, if it doesn't fail on its own already, making the skill useless against anyone that chugs such a pot. If there's so many Nightblades then you'd be a fool not to carry Detection pots.

And if fear is such a worry, then make it single target, I don't care.

Zsymon

NBs seem FOTM right now because of some very skilled Youtube players. Right now Sorcerers are by far the most powerful class, then comes DKs at the same level as NBs, and somewhere far at the end the Templar dangles helplessly, without a single useful offensive or defensive class skill.

(Funny how the "evil" class is most powerful, the two more neutral classes come second, and the "good" class comes last by far, it almost seems intentional.)

If you think dodge is too strong, then what about DK Scales? They don't need dodge, because it reflects all projectiles, people seem to forget how insanely strong this is, far better than dodge could ever be. As soon as another good caster DK makes a youtube film, people will flock there. You basically just have to run around spamming Scales to rack in tons of Alliance Points, never being in any danger and significantly contributing to the fight.

There's tons of cheese in Cyrodil, but none of it comes from the NB. We sadly can't produce cheese, and bugging people into walls with fear will be fixed soon enough.

Lyzaaa

No , DK's are nowhere near NBs.

ToRelax

Zsymon wrote: »

I don't get why people are complaining about dodge roll, every class and build has powerful spells and skills available that ignore dodge. Magicka Detonation can hit for 20K and goes right through dodge, flame whip, puncturing strikes, surprise attack, daedric curse, crushing shock.. they all ignore dodge. If you have problems hitting with the melee abilities, just snare them. Use those abilities instead of trying to hit a dodger with projectiles.

If you nerf dodge, you bring stamina survivability back down to pre 1.6. A good magicka DK, NB or Sorc can stomp on dodgers easily, if you just use abilities that go through dodge instead of complaining about your projectiles missing.

Largest Detonation that hit me so far was 19k by an emp, and I am running with only 10k-11k spell resist.
Crushing Shock is a projectile and can be dodged.
I consider myself a good magicka Sorc and I can "stomp" on bad dodgers who don't cloak, LOS, block etc. as long as they don't use nirnhoned, wich was the whole point of this thread.

Zsymon wrote: »

Dude you are seriously over reacting, DKs destroy people with Fossilize + Wrecking Blow just the same, Sorcs destroy people in one shot with Curse, Frags and Detonation combos.. someone spoke about how they had a Sorc cast Detonation on one of them, streak inside their group, cast two Fire Rings and watch them all explode. One Sorc instantly destroying a whole group of people, without losing a single hit point due to have triple shields (40K shield points stacked). Stamina NBs can't do this or anything remotely similar.

Every class except Templars can destroy people in seconds, this has nothing to do with Nightblades. It is a matter of the insane uncapped damage. Nightblades die in seconds just like anyone else, high regen, Cloak and dodge does nothing to protect them from this (unlike shields). Detection pots negate Cloak completely, if it doesn't fail on its own already, making the skill useless against anyone that chugs such a pot. If there's so many Nightblades then you'd be a fool not to carry Detection pots.

And if fear is such a worry, then make it single target, I don't care.

If the Sorc destroyed a group with one detonation and two fire rings I bet he could have done it as a NB with Caltrops and Steel Tornado just as well.

Also Cloak's main component, the invisibility, is canceled out by potions, Radiant Magelight etc. - if the NB is stupid enough to stand close to me or try to escape in unbuffed stealth speed (hilarious). Even then, Cloak is not useless as it still forces projectiles to miss and purges DoTs.

Zsymon wrote: »

NBs seem FOTM right now because of some very skilled Youtube players. Right now Sorcerers are by far the most powerful class, then comes DKs at the same level as NBs, and somewhere far at the end the Templar dangles helplessly, without a single useful offensive or defensive class skill.

(Funny how the "evil" class is most powerful, the two more neutral classes come second, and the "good" class comes last by far, it almost seems intentional.)

If you think dodge is too strong, then what about DK Scales? They don't need dodge, because it reflects all projectiles, people seem to forget how insanely strong this is, far better than dodge could ever be. As soon as another good caster DK makes a youtube film, people will flock there. You basically just have to run around spamming Scales to rack in tons of Alliance Points, never being in any danger and significantly contributing to the fight.

There's tons of cheese in Cyrodil, but none of it comes from the NB. We sadly can't produce cheese, and bugging people into walls with fear will be fixed soon enough.

Any arguments why you think Sorc is stronger than NB?

And no, dodge roll is far, far more powerful than Reflective Scales, negating an unlimited amount of damage of more different types and allowing skills to be animation canceled with it, not to spek of it's other features such as breaking out of roots, gaining speed boosts from bow passives, setting targets off balanced when dodging attacks via champion passive...

Vis

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