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Bikini Costume Please!
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Shunravi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭c.p.garrett1993_ESO wrote: »I'm not going to even start on how pathetic this is...
Instead, I'm simply going to point out that the Elder Scrolls series has always been a wonderfully brilliant world of fantasy that introduces you to plenty of well done characters. This includes multiple strong, non-sexualized women that allows both male and female players to have the opportunity to play and meet various respectable, strong, and sometimes feared women. If they went as low as adding bikinis for fan service I would be severely disappointed.
I'm not going to call this way of thinking shallow, but you seriously can't find respect, strength, and something to be feared in a woman because of who she is? You base that on what she wears?
That may not be your argument, but let me put it this way. When I hear this argument, this is what pops into my head.
Manly
Tough
Male fantasy
So tough he doesn't need armor
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Edited by Shunravi on 22 April 2015 21:19This one has an eloquent and well thought out response to tha... Ooh sweetroll!0 -
c.p.garrett1993_ESO wrote: »I'm not going to even start on how pathetic this is...
Instead, I'm simply going to point out that the Elder Scrolls series has always been a wonderfully brilliant world of fantasy that introduces you to plenty of well done characters. This includes multiple strong, non-sexualized women that allows both male and female players to have the opportunity to play and meet various respectable, strong, and sometimes feared women. If they went as low as adding bikinis for fan service I would be severely disappointed.
I'm not going to call this way of thinking shallow, but you seriously can't find respect, strength, and something to be feared in a woman because of who she is? You base that on what she wears?
In real life? Yes.
In a game? No. Because I know there is some perverted developer (or regular catering to fan-service) that created them for the sole purpose of giving nerds something to fantasize over. It's hard to respect that.2 -
Audigy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭c.p.garrett1993_ESO wrote: »I'm not going to even start on how pathetic this is...
Instead, I'm simply going to point out that the Elder Scrolls series has always been a wonderfully brilliant world of fantasy that introduces you to plenty of well done characters. This includes multiple strong, non-sexualized women that allows both male and female players to have the opportunity to play and meet various respectable, strong, and sometimes feared women. If they went as low as adding bikinis for fan service I would be severely disappointed.
I'm not going to call this way of thinking shallow, but you seriously can't find respect, strength, and something to be feared in a woman because of who she is? You base that on what she wears?
That may not be your argument, but let me put it this way. When I hear this argument, this is what pops into my head.
Manly
Tough
Male fantasy
So tough he doesn't need armor
***
That's what a lot of people seem to forget. Naked chests of men are featured in games and movies since many centuries, anyone ever watched Ben Hur? Or planet of the monkey, both with the amazing Charlton Heston.
The women in both movies often had more clothes on than the men
yet nobody complains.
Not saying we need bikini stuff at ESO, but the skimpy armor and outfit debate could very well be opened about the men as well.1 -
Shunravi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭c.p.garrett1993_ESO wrote: »c.p.garrett1993_ESO wrote: »I'm not going to even start on how pathetic this is...
Instead, I'm simply going to point out that the Elder Scrolls series has always been a wonderfully brilliant world of fantasy that introduces you to plenty of well done characters. This includes multiple strong, non-sexualized women that allows both male and female players to have the opportunity to play and meet various respectable, strong, and sometimes feared women. If they went as low as adding bikinis for fan service I would be severely disappointed.
I'm not going to call this way of thinking shallow, but you seriously can't find respect, strength, and something to be feared in a woman because of who she is? You base that on what she wears?
In real life? Yes.
In a game? No. Because I know there is some perverted developer (or regular catering to fan-service) that created them for the sole purpose of giving nerds something to fantasize over. It's hard to respect that.
Heavens forbid we portray reality in our art! Its those damn pervy developers!
/s
But at least we can laugh about this stupid guy who lost his pants
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Mumnoch✭✭✭c.p.garrett1993_ESO wrote: »c.p.garrett1993_ESO wrote: »I'm not going to even start on how pathetic this is...
Instead, I'm simply going to point out that the Elder Scrolls series has always been a wonderfully brilliant world of fantasy that introduces you to plenty of well done characters. This includes multiple strong, non-sexualized women that allows both male and female players to have the opportunity to play and meet various respectable, strong, and sometimes feared women. If they went as low as adding bikinis for fan service I would be severely disappointed.
I'm not going to call this way of thinking shallow, but you seriously can't find respect, strength, and something to be feared in a woman because of who she is? You base that on what she wears?
In real life? Yes.
In a game? No. Because I know there is some perverted developer (or regular catering to fan-service) that created them for the sole purpose of giving nerds something to fantasize over. It's hard to respect that.
I don't think you could be any more offensive and repressed with your statements. Why is having bikini's or sexy looking armor in a game mean there's a "perverted developer" or "nerds" that must have it to fantasize over? You go on repressing the females around you that you are able to; but leave that repressive attitude at the door on public forums imo.
This game has the worst looking females armors of any game I've seen. It is a lot worse than any previous TES game to boot. Since the MMO world is designed for you to spend multiple hour's a day playing they need to fire the prudish art designers they currently have and cater to more than the puritan (IE scared of the female body) gamers like you that want's your women clothed in a habit. Otherwise this game will continue to loose players who spend hour's a day looking at ugly armor's for their female avatars while playing a game.
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Audigy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭c.p.garrett1993_ESO wrote: »c.p.garrett1993_ESO wrote: »I'm not going to even start on how pathetic this is...
Instead, I'm simply going to point out that the Elder Scrolls series has always been a wonderfully brilliant world of fantasy that introduces you to plenty of well done characters. This includes multiple strong, non-sexualized women that allows both male and female players to have the opportunity to play and meet various respectable, strong, and sometimes feared women. If they went as low as adding bikinis for fan service I would be severely disappointed.
I'm not going to call this way of thinking shallow, but you seriously can't find respect, strength, and something to be feared in a woman because of who she is? You base that on what she wears?
In real life? Yes.
In a game? No. Because I know there is some perverted developer (or regular catering to fan-service) that created them for the sole purpose of giving nerds something to fantasize over. It's hard to respect that.
Heavens forbid we portray reality in our art! Its those damn pervy developers!
/s
But at least we can laugh about this stupid guy who lost his pants
Good he still has his helmet though!1 -
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✭Kurimugann wrote: »I would prefer female charactesr being able to wear chest-plates, not breastplates. ES Lore friendly? I dunno, but real life middle age lore friendly, I'm pretty sure.
Bikinis were made around 1946. I am pretty sure that's too modern for ES timeline.
Seems pretty lore friendly to me.
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A bikini simply isn't a viable method of protection from damage or weather. Even in our modern society it is associated with recreational swimwear and (generally) not considered acceptable attire in other situations, such as casual attire. Not only is it sexualizing and insulting to females it is impractical and historically inaccurate. This may be a fantasy game but it is still governed by many real-world cultures and practices.
I'm not disagreeing with the over protective design governing current female attire in this game. They can easily afford to be a little more lenient with their censoring of the female body.
I simply don't see how a bikini can be justified as anything other than a perversion of female characters for fan-service.1 -
Shunravi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Some of you may want to consider opening porntube on a tablet, then placing it next to your monitor. Problem solved!
And thats another thing, if your goal of arguing for this is to see boobs, then go browse some ***.
If your argument is to allow freedom of expression, lets discuss.This one has an eloquent and well thought out response to tha... Ooh sweetroll!0 -
MercyKilling✭✭✭✭✭c.p.garrett1993_ESO wrote: »In a game? No. Because I know there is some perverted developer (or regular catering to fan-service) that created them for the sole purpose of giving nerds something to fantasize over. It's hard to respect that.
I'm calling bull *** here. There is literally no way you can KNOW the intent of another person. At least, not unless you're telepathic.
Seriously, intent is a very rocky slope IN A COURT OF LAW...much less an internet forum.
As it was postulated before by another poster in this very thread.....if you have a problem with viewing the female body, perhaps the problem is not within the female body, but in how you view it. ( I paraphrased, hopefully with a bit of tact.)
I know that I admire and respect all females THAT DESERVE THE RESPECT...regardless of what they are wearing.
Also, there is certainly nothing wrong with admiring a beautiful body, regardless of whether or not that body is male or female.
All some people are asking for is the OPTION. Y'know...because more options are a good thing.I am not spending a single penny on the game until changes are made to the game that I want to see.
1) Remove having to be in a guild to sell items to other players at a kiosk.
2) Cosmetic modding for armor and clothing.
3) Difficulty slider.
4) Fully customizable player housing that isn't tied to anything in the game other than having the correct resources and enough gold to build. Don't tie it to PvP, guild membership, or anything at all. Oh, make it instanced so as not to take up world map space, too. Zeni screwed this one up already.
Any /one/ of these things implemented would get me spending again, maybe even subbing.3 -
Donum-Dei✭✭✭People what the heck...
...there are many versions in elder scrolls games, this Mmo is directed to be grim and dark. So no need to naked stupid avatars around every corner looking and breaking this mom version. You want that, go back to those MMOs that are made for that kind of theme.2 -
lihentian✭✭✭✭✭firstdecan wrote: »Kurimugann wrote: »I would prefer female charactesr being able to wear chest-plates, not breastplates. ES Lore friendly? I dunno, but real life middle age lore friendly, I'm pretty sure.
Bikinis were made around 1946. I am pretty sure that's too modern for ES timeline.
Seems pretty lore friendly to me.
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Shunravi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭People what the heck...
...there are many versions in elder scrolls games, this Mmo is directed to be grim and dark. So no need to naked stupid avatars around every corner looking and breaking this mom version. You want that, go back to those MMOs that are made for that kind of theme.
I agree, but the argument must stand before criticism. (grim and dark... lol)Edited by Shunravi on 22 April 2015 22:23This one has an eloquent and well thought out response to tha... Ooh sweetroll!0 -
Naivefanboi✭✭✭✭t.steve1991ub17_ESO wrote: »I need some skimpy armors. I play many different MMORPG's and in all of them I gravitate towards female warriors in scantily clad armors. Please add something like this thx!
Lol righton ive seen some skimpy armors here and there showin of cleavage, but few and far between, ironcally just a unrralistic as all the mocking meme posts lol irony0 -
UrQuan✭✭✭✭✭
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Um, grim and dark? Not being super cartoonish is not the same as being grim and dark... Are there some grim and dark elements? Sure. Especially in some of the EP story lines I'd say. Are there plenty of quirky and fun elements too? Absolutely. I hardly think a quest to help a couple of mages play a practical joke on a member of the Fighters Guild is grim and dark. Or the Naked Nord quest shown in all its nakedness a couple of posts above this. Or the quests with the fairly incompetent members of The Daggers in Glenumbra and Rivenspire.People what the heck...
...there are many versions in elder scrolls games, this Mmo is directed to be grim and dark. So no need to naked stupid avatars around every corner looking and breaking this mom version. You want that, go back to those MMOs that are made for that kind of theme.
No, this isn't a grim and dark game. It's not cartoonish fantasy either, but it definitely isn't grim and dark.
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BeardLumber✭✭✭✭Zos should just make it so you can change the appearance of your underwear.
No bikini costume, but fashionable underwear for RPers. weeeeeeeeeHeals Please
PC Master Race3 -
Varicite✭✭✭✭✭
✭t.steve1991ub17_ESO wrote: »Why don't you have us all dress like nuns? (sarcasm)
We already are dressed like nuns...2 -
Donum-Dei✭✭✭Many of you has it backquards, you are still living in lala land asking for anime oriental armors like oriental mmo games has done and are known for. This is an elder scroll franchise. Despite if there is some idiot naked doesn't give the opportunity or the valuable discussion to make or ask for those stuff.
@UrQuan yes it is dude. Not at is 100% but it is.Edited by Donum-Dei on 22 April 2015 22:340 -
Forestd16b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »
Because MAGIC.Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »
Yea let's do it cause it worked so well in WoW and most MMOJRPGs.
Hmm true cause we all know magic don't gotta explain shite.
Well, you can summon an aura of floating stones, a bubble of light, a sphere of ethereal energy, and a wall of ghosts and bones to absorb damage. Heck, somehow swinging a giant sword across a bunch of enemies does the same thing.
You can grow magical scales, stand in pictures on the ground, bind magical armor, turn your body into electricity, and somehow coat yourself in shadow to resist damage.
A ring can somehow be made to give you more armor. A ring.
Of course magic don't gotta explain shite.
SSHHH again magic it don't gotta explain shite ! Just let it be magical and colorful.
https://youtu.be/9auOCbH5Ns4
Well I need to lay off the mead.0 -
Obscure✭✭✭✭✭
Another problem with it is the stigma it presents. There's no secret that Sex and Violence are all time best sellers of entertainment. Artists using them have to be cautious in doing so, and not be so crude as to overtly use them in a manner to simply draw attention, which distracts from the art form. Art has strong ties to human emotion, and draws very strongly on our cultural and social perspective to convey said emotion. The best art preys on the emotion of the person experiencing it, without that person ever being aware of that. To make it obvious is to lose the emotional context and value. It may seem a bit self serving to say, but the best way to make anything sexy is to make it obscure =P The unknown excites, it terrifies, it provokes thought, it prey's on our natural human curiosity.
Bikini or not, I see no value to be gained or lost due to it being in ESO's stylised design.1 -
Rosveen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I can take revealing fur/skins a la Forsworn armor from Skyrim, but if I ever see a chainmail bikini, I'll start flipping tables.5 -
Mumnoch✭✭✭Many of you has it backquards, you are still living in lala land asking for anime oriental armors like oriental mmo games has done and are known for. This is an elder scroll franchise. Despite if there is some idiot naked doesn't give the opportunity or the valuable discussion to make or ask for those stuff.
@UrQuan yes it is dude. Not at is 100% but it is.
"Backwards".
You're right this is a TES game. That only caters to the type of people who have no issues seeing half naked men but can't stand the thought of seeing half naked females. No other TES game...no other game I've seen period has been as prudish towards the female avatar as this game has been. You're wrong anime oriental armor's/MMO's are not the only one with gear like this to boot.
Guess you can join the "habit's for females" society.1 -
Glurin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭c.p.garrett1993_ESO wrote: »A bikini simply isn't a viable method of protection from damage or weather. Even in our modern society it is associated with recreational swimwear and (generally) not considered acceptable attire in other situations, such as casual attire. Not only is it sexualizing and insulting to females it is impractical and historically inaccurate. This may be a fantasy game but it is still governed by many real-world cultures and practices.
I'm not disagreeing with the over protective design governing current female attire in this game. They can easily afford to be a little more lenient with their censoring of the female body.
I simply don't see how a bikini can be justified as anything other than a perversion of female characters for fan-service.
You do realize that RL cultures vary widely on the subject even if we're just talking about modern times, right? Everything from having those things on full display 24/7 to the only skin a woman may acceptably show is none at all."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster...when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you..."1 -
Donum-Dei✭✭✭@Mumnoch thanks for the correction I am using my phones to type.
People are asking for naked ass showing boobs hanging avatars. We don't want that that. And it doesn't go with the aesthetic this game has at all. And the fact that many people are being "prudish" is because we really do not need another game of those, we are tired of seeing games that are so sexiest or how you want to look at it. We for a chance want a game that stick with his guns and the aesthetics of the themes it have, there is no need to sexualise every aspect of it.Edited by Donum-Dei on 22 April 2015 23:104 -
I apologize for being as inconsiderate as I was.
I understand the request for variety and I am willing to admit I have been rather indirect in my explanation.
To be more direct, and hopefully more friendly, I simply believe that a bikini has no place in this game. More revealing options are acceptable, but a bikini has no place in this game.
It's not a matter of displaying the female body, it is a matter of why and how. It is inaccurate and does not make sense based on the setting of the series. We are playing bold and brave warriors, cunning warlocks, and mischievous rouges... Not Sports Illustrated cover page models.
If someone can provide a legitimate argument for how is is, by any stretch of the imagination, fitting for a bikini to exist in this game than please do. Resorting to those who disagree and think this has no place as prude, sexist, or ashamed/ afraid of the female body is not only inaccurate but not contributing to the topic at hand. You should be providing a legitimate reason for it, as we are attempting to provide legitimate reasons against it.0 -
CaptainObvious✭✭✭✭Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_II:_Daggerfall
Daggerfall has genre-typical gore elements and some sexual topics. It displays cartoonish nudity including male and female *** areas when all equipment is removed. The game installer includes a password-protected childgard feature that hides blood and corpses (instead showing just the skeleton of the corpse), disables sexual topics (though not removing all nudity), and ensures the character portrait is wearing underwear at all times.
Maybe childguard needs to be implemented so both sides can be accounted for.Due to a typo in the system, the area was accosted by the Daedric Prince Moar Lag Brawls.1 -
Taz✭✭✭I've seen several light armor styles that show skin (Argonian and Barbaric come to mind) as well as costumes in the shop (scouts sets come to mind) and some vet costumes. There are options. So long as they stick to the lore, more options don't hurt.
Half-naked rippling muscle men is typically more a male power fantasy than a female sexual fantasy; there's a reason Loki has as many fangirls if not more than Thor. Can't really say the same about fishnet stockings T&A plate armor for women. While there are women who prefer that aesthetic on their characters and are more than welcome to that choice, that style is typically a sexual fantasy. It's not marketed to the ladies.
Honestly, as long as both genders have armor that looks the same/similar either way, it is not a gendered problem. It becomes a gendered problem when the focus becomes on one gender needing more or less of one or the other. I honestly think more/an equal amount of the armors need to be revealing on men- the scout costumes in the crown store, for example, are revealing for women but not for men.
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MercyKilling✭✭✭✭✭I am not spending a single penny on the game until changes are made to the game that I want to see.
1) Remove having to be in a guild to sell items to other players at a kiosk.
2) Cosmetic modding for armor and clothing.
3) Difficulty slider.
4) Fully customizable player housing that isn't tied to anything in the game other than having the correct resources and enough gold to build. Don't tie it to PvP, guild membership, or anything at all. Oh, make it instanced so as not to take up world map space, too. Zeni screwed this one up already.
Any /one/ of these things implemented would get me spending again, maybe even subbing.0
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