Bikini Costume Please!

t.steve1991ub17_ESO

jkemmery wrote: »

t.steve1991ub17_ESO wrote: »

I said I'd be willing to scrap the bikini idea if they would show some skin on the other costumes.

When you hit VR2 you get the "Golden Saint" costume which shows a little skin/cleavage.

I will look into this thank you!

Shunravi

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Yea let's do it cause it worked so well in WoW and most MMOJRPGs.

Because MAGIC.

newtinmpls

t.steve1991ub17_ESO wrote: »

I would be totally in favor of lore friendly outfits that showed a little bit of skin instead of just covering the whole body

So are most of us; hence the dismay over the re-make of Orc and Redguard armors

Glurin

Kurimugann wrote: »

I would prefer female charactesr being able to wear chest-plates, not breastplates. ES Lore friendly? I dunno, but real life middle age lore friendly, I'm pretty sure.

Bikinis were made around 1946. I am pretty sure that's too modern for ES timeline.

I'm sure your aware that "breastplate" refers to the chest area and not specifically the female anatomy, yes?

By the way, even the modern army is having to pour money into female body armor research because as much as some people like to deny it for some incomprehensible reason, females do in fact have breasts and they must be accounted for in the design of the armor.

That said, cleavage windows are still impractical on plate armor. Any "skimpyness" should be limited to light armor, with maybe just a little leeway in medium.

Forestd16b14_ESO

Shunravi wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Yea let's do it cause it worked so well in WoW and most MMOJRPGs.

Because MAGIC.

Hmm true cause we all know magic don't gotta explain shite.

Obscure

@Shunravi

Unfortunately there's a sociopolitical war on women being sexy in games. It's okay to be ugly, lack personality, have no character development, or even have no rational motivations, but a woman designed for sexiness is a point of huge debate in modern gaming. Big disconnect with how many women see a character versus how men see a character, and between them and those among an intellectual minority of both genders comprehending the art form (beauty serves a purpose in narratives and in all art in general. Capturing beauty in any form should be praised, not shunned).

Though granted I also want realism in games that take themselves seriously in terms of realism, ESO is one I'd count among high fantasy and stylised design, and quite distant from realism. I don't rightly give a damn if a sexy female character runs around with nothing but a thong on, but in a realism driven game I don't expect her to have any protection in combat (maybe she's glass cannon DPS?). In a stylised high fantasy game? I don't care if all people are wearing to march to war are dinner napkins; who am I to infringe on someone's creative vision?

Suffice it to say I agree with you. Hating on a suggested Bikini costume makes as much sense as hating on the current Wedding Dress, or the Manimarco robes, or the Skeleton costume (which I should argue is so incredibly under dressed it's not even wearing skin, TOTALLY NAKED!). If sexy characters in art bothers someone, they have an issue they need to sort out. If they want to take up a "willful suspension of disbelief" argument, sexy characters is extremely low priority (ex: when was the last time your character took a poop? Where does the food and drink go after my character eats/drinks when the buff runs out?

To restrict an artist from their vision is to censor them and stifle creativity. ZOS makes what ZOS wants to make, and if it's their creative decision to return to the sexy origins of the series it's entirely their creative liberty to do so. I will only judge them harshly for abandoning or censoring their creative vision to appease whining fools with their first world problems.

Acrolas

You know you're a master wizard when your wardrobe consists of a sash or two.

Snit

I like TESO's current art direction. A significant part of the charm here is that it doesn't look like a F2P Peepshow (e.g., Archeage) or a cartoon (WOW, Wildstar).

Armor should look like armor, not fetishwear.

UrQuan

Glurin wrote: »

]Any "skimpyness" should be limited to light armor, with maybe just a little leeway in medium.

Agreed, and I'm fine with that. I mean, I'm definitely one of the people upset by the change in the Redguard light armour - it used to be such a cool, characterful, swashbuckling look (for males too!). Now it's just generic and boring.

Bikinis, on the other hand, should be limited to not providing any protection at all. Which is how bikinis currently work in ESO.

Shunravi

Obscure wrote: »

@Shunravi

Unfortunately there's a sociopolitical war on women being sexy in games. It's okay to be ugly, lack personality, have no character development, or even have no rational motivations, but a woman designed for sexiness is a point of huge debate in modern gaming. Big disconnect with how many women see a character versus how men see a character, and between them and those among an intellectual minority of both genders comprehending the art form (beauty serves a purpose in narratives and in all art in general. Capturing beauty in any form should be praised, not shunned).

Though granted I also want realism in games that take themselves seriously in terms of realism, ESO is one I'd count among high fantasy and stylised design, and quite distant from realism. I don't rightly give a damn if a sexy female character runs around with nothing but a thong on, but in a realism driven game I don't expect her to have any protection in combat (maybe she's glass cannon DPS?). In a stylised high fantasy game? I don't care if all people are wearing to march to war are dinner napkins; who am I to infringe on someone's creative vision?

Suffice it to say I agree with you. Hating on a suggested Bikini costume makes as much sense as hating on the current Wedding Dress, or the Manimarco robes, or the Skeleton costume (which I should argue is so incredibly under dressed it's not even wearing skin, TOTALLY NAKED!). If sexy characters in art bothers someone, they have an issue they need to sort out. If they want to take up a "willful suspension of disbelief" argument, sexy characters is extremely low priority (ex: when was the last time your character took a poop? Where does the food and drink go after my character eats/drinks when the buff runs out?

To restrict an artist from their vision is to censor them and stifle creativity. ZOS makes what ZOS wants to make, and if it's their creative decision to return to the sexy origins of the series it's entirely their creative liberty to do so. I will only judge them harshly for abandoning or censoring their creative vision to appease whining fools with their first world problems.

Oh, I could go on for days about how I disagree with censorship and political correctness. But I won't.

For me personally though, I don't really care if they do or don't add things in like this. I just felt like dropping some things into the discussion. Actually, I would prefer stylishly cut garb with minimal skin actually showing, before anything like a bikini. But I'm not going to enforce what i want to the detriment of others. That's just selfish.

Obscure

Snit wrote: »

I like TESO's current art direction. A significant part of the charm here is that it doesn't look like a F2P Peepshow (e.g., Archeage) or a cartoon (WOW, Wildstar).

Armor should look like armor, not fetishwear.

So how much should they nerf the armour value on robes and T-shirts people call "light armour"? The wedding dress also offers no protection, yet plenty of folks are running around with that as well.

Keep in mind this is about a COSTUME not armour. Skeleton costume is wearing even less than a bikini, it's not even wearing the skin or flesh beneath a bikini. How do you feel about the skeleton in that regard?

ESO is a stylised game. The rules of realism in design don't apply. ZOS can take whatever creative liberties they so choose...my horse's eyes, nose, feet, and breath spout effin' fire, and we're going to draw a realism line at female swim wear?

theroyalestpythonnub18_ESO

Obscure wrote: »

Snit wrote: »

I like TESO's current art direction. A significant part of the charm here is that it doesn't look like a F2P Peepshow (e.g., Archeage) or a cartoon (WOW, Wildstar).

Armor should look like armor, not fetishwear.

So how much should they nerf the armour value on robes and T-shirts people call "light armour"? The wedding dress also offers no protection, yet plenty of folks are running around with that as well.

Keep in mind this is about a COSTUME not armour. Skeleton costume is wearing even less than a bikini, it's not even wearing the skin or flesh beneath a bikini. How do you feel about the skeleton in that regard?

ESO is a stylised game. The rules of realism in design don't apply. ZOS can take whatever creative liberties they so choose...my horse's eyes, nose, feet, and breath spout effin' fire, and we're going to draw a realism line at female swim wear?

Yes. No friggin bikinis.

Shunravi

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Yea let's do it cause it worked so well in WoW and most MMOJRPGs.

Because MAGIC.

Hmm true cause we all know magic don't gotta explain shite.

Well, you can summon an aura of floating stones, a bubble of light, a sphere of ethereal energy, and a wall of ghosts and bones to absorb damage. Heck, somehow swinging a giant sword across a bunch of enemies does the same thing.

You can grow magical scales, stand in pictures on the ground, bind magical armor, turn your body into electricity, and somehow coat yourself in shadow to resist damage.

A ring can somehow be made to give you more armor. A ring.

Of course magic don't gotta explain shite.

tengri

Go away.

Shunravi

tengri wrote: »

Go away.

Never!!!

Loves_guars

LOL button please!

Forestd16b14_ESO

Shunravi wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Yea let's do it cause it worked so well in WoW and most MMOJRPGs.

Because MAGIC.

Hmm true cause we all know magic don't gotta explain shite.

Well, you can summon an aura of floating stones, a bubble of light, a sphere of ethereal energy, and a wall of ghosts and bones to absorb damage. Heck, somehow swinging a giant sword across a bunch of enemies does the same thing.

You can grow magical scales, stand in pictures on the ground, bind magical armor, turn your body into electricity, and somehow coat yourself in shadow to resist damage.

A ring can somehow be made to give you more armor. A ring.

Of course magic don't gotta explain shite.

SSHHH again magic it don't gotta explain shite ! Just let it be magical and colorful.

Shunravi

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Yea let's do it cause it worked so well in WoW and most MMOJRPGs.

Because MAGIC.

Hmm true cause we all know magic don't gotta explain shite.

Well, you can summon an aura of floating stones, a bubble of light, a sphere of ethereal energy, and a wall of ghosts and bones to absorb damage. Heck, somehow swinging a giant sword across a bunch of enemies does the same thing.

You can grow magical scales, stand in pictures on the ground, bind magical armor, turn your body into electricity, and somehow coat yourself in shadow to resist damage.

A ring can somehow be made to give you more armor. A ring.

Of course magic don't gotta explain shite.

SSHHH again magic it don't gotta explain shite ! Just let it be magical and colorful.

https://youtu.be/9auOCbH5Ns4

MercyKilling

t.steve1991ub17_ESO wrote: »

nastuug wrote: »

t.steve1991ub17_ESO wrote: »

Why don't you have us all dress like nuns? (sarcasm)

Or request more appropriate costumes based off of lore/current visual game design. Not effin' bikinis.

How bout a fur loincloth similar to the forswarn garb in skyrim?

Edit:

Bouvin wrote: »

It's coming. Once ZoS figures out they can make money in the crown shop from Bikini Armor, it'll be in. They need to make money somehow.

Go to Skyrim Nexus or even google and search for remodeled armor CBBE or killer keos CBBE. If the devs ever put something that looks like that into the game, even as costumes.....it'd be enough to get my money. Maybe even get me to sub again.

Bouvin

nastuug wrote: »

t.steve1991ub17_ESO wrote: »

I need some skimpy armors. I play many different MMORPG's and in all of them I gravitate towards female warriors in scantily clad armors. Please add something like this thx!

So this can be turned into just another one of those typical Asian F2P MMO's? No thanks.

It's coming. Once ZoS figures out they can make money in the crown shop from Bikini Armor, it'll be in. They need to make money somehow.

Taz

I consider ESO to be doing pretty well on all fronts for an MMO; the representation of female characters as heroes, leaders, commoners, cowards, villains, and in general just people is as diverse and thought out as the male population. Costumes and outfits, for the most part, look the same on both men and women. As much as people joke about big hairy orc men wearing dresses, I am GLAD that's the case, I'm fine if armor is revealing- when the same armor does the same thing on both genders.

For example, Reachman armors, barbaric and the like, reveal about as much flesh on both men and women. It's also fitting with the lore. This is fine.

The problem here, from my point of view as I can't speak for others, is that sexualized and revealing armor is specified as being a female trait here- 'feminine' armor = skimpy armor to a lot of people. Honestly, I don't care if lore appropriate (I will flip tables if we get the stuff you see in AA, angel thongs and bikinis nononono) more revealing items are introduced, as long as the SAME ITEM does the SAME THING on both genders.

Big example that isn't even skimpy: the wedding dress (and potentially upcoming datamined suit). I think they should exist independently of one another, and show up as their respective outfit on both genders. If big man orc wants the dress, it ought to be a dress. If the lady wants a nice fashionable suit, it ought to be a suit. I never want to see an item like this that magically changes depending on the chromosomes of the person wearing it:

tl;dr: Costumes and armor that show ladyskin ought to show equal manskin, if that's the case and it's lore appropriate skimpy instead of modern summer beachware, I'm fine with it.

Watkins

I personally don't see the issue with it. Would I wear it? No. Would I shun someone else for wearing one? No.

Give men a similar costume, as is done with all costumes, and I see no issue. Also, this is fairly ridiculous:

In other words, yes, the people who are saying that dramatic visual style changes in costumes would negatively impact their experience have a reasonable amount of research to back up that effect.

There are also studies that say that 'deviating from the norm' identifies someone as prestigious and more competent than their colleagues.

It's silly that there are complaints about costume implementation, but not about stripping your character down to their underwear. Should that be removed as to not offend the sensibilities of some of the fan-base, since a bit of skin seems to be too taboo for some of you? Does a wedding dress in the middle of a pseudo-medieval conflict not seem off to some of you?

I wouldn't be disappointed if Zen didn't choose to implement this feature, but it's not really a big deal to me.

Attorneyatlawl

Xabien wrote: »

Yep, my tall hairy Nord need a skimpy top and a thong to parade around in /joke

Hey, now, we have wedding dresses!

Enemy-of-Coldharbour

Despite my moniker, I am against this idea.

BBSooner

Obscure wrote: »

@Shunravi

Unfortunately there's a sociopolitical war on women being sexy in games. It's okay to be ugly, lack personality, have no character development, or even have no rational motivations, but a woman designed for sexiness is a point of huge debate in modern gaming. Big disconnect with how many women see a character versus how men see a character, and between them and those among an intellectual minority of both genders comprehending the art form (beauty serves a purpose in narratives and in all art in general. Capturing beauty in any form should be praised, not shunned).

Though granted I also want realism in games that take themselves seriously in terms of realism, ESO is one I'd count among high fantasy and stylised design, and quite distant from realism. I don't rightly give a damn if a sexy female character runs around with nothing but a thong on, but in a realism driven game I don't expect her to have any protection in combat (maybe she's glass cannon DPS?). In a stylised high fantasy game? I don't care if all people are wearing to march to war are dinner napkins; who am I to infringe on someone's creative vision?

Suffice it to say I agree with you. Hating on a suggested Bikini costume makes as much sense as hating on the current Wedding Dress, or the Manimarco robes, or the Skeleton costume (which I should argue is so incredibly under dressed it's not even wearing skin, TOTALLY NAKED!). If sexy characters in art bothers someone, they have an issue they need to sort out. If they want to take up a "willful suspension of disbelief" argument, sexy characters is extremely low priority (ex: when was the last time your character took a poop? Where does the food and drink go after my character eats/drinks when the buff runs out?

To restrict an artist from their vision is to censor them and stifle creativity. ZOS makes what ZOS wants to make, and if it's their creative decision to return to the sexy origins of the series it's entirely their creative liberty to do so. I will only judge them harshly for abandoning or censoring their creative vision to appease whining fools with their first world problems.

I keep pressing agree, but it just toggles it on and off.

Xandryah

when you hit veteran 6 you will get the Dark Seducer Costume, which looks really really awesome!

a bit sexy , a bit decent, a bit beautiful, the color fits great with blonde female toons too..

i like it very much!

it's a good mix

c.p.garrett1993_ESO

I'm not going to even start on how pathetic this is...
Instead, I'm simply going to point out that the Elder Scrolls series has always been a wonderfully brilliant world of fantasy that introduces you to plenty of well done characters. This includes multiple strong, non-sexualized women that allows both male and female players to have the opportunity to play and meet various respectable, strong, and sometimes feared women. If they went as low as adding bikinis for fan service I would be severely disappointed.

Obscure

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Yea let's do it cause it worked so well in WoW and most MMOJRPGs.

Because MAGIC.

Hmm true cause we all know magic don't gotta explain shite.

Well, you can summon an aura of floating stones, a bubble of light, a sphere of ethereal energy, and a wall of ghosts and bones to absorb damage. Heck, somehow swinging a giant sword across a bunch of enemies does the same thing.

You can grow magical scales, stand in pictures on the ground, bind magical armor, turn your body into electricity, and somehow coat yourself in shadow to resist damage.

A ring can somehow be made to give you more armor. A ring.

Of course magic don't gotta explain shite.

SSHHH again magic it don't gotta explain shite ! Just let it be magical and colorful.

Explanation: All costumes use very low level Illusion enchants that are so rudimentry the soul gems used to create them won't wear down until well into the 3rd era, and thus aren't even tracked for recharge in ESO.

BBSooner

The Almalexia costume (cloth bikini drapes) is most certainly going to make it to the crown store at some point.

Shunravi

c.p.garrett1993_ESO wrote: »

I'm not going to even start on how pathetic this is...
Instead, I'm simply going to point out that the Elder Scrolls series has always been a wonderfully brilliant world of fantasy that introduces you to plenty of well done characters. This includes multiple strong, non-sexualized women that allows both male and female players to have the opportunity to play and meet various respectable, strong, and sometimes feared women. If they went as low as adding bikinis for fan service I would be severely disappointed.

I'm not going to call this way of thinking shallow, but you seriously can't find respect, strength, and something to be feared in a woman because of who she is? You base that on what she wears?