What about making dyes purchaseable with crowns?

lihentian

i think it is a good idea.. people who want to work for it, can do so. and for those who willing to spend money and contribute to the game.. they should be allowed to do so. after all these purchase will help make the game better for everyone.

Zavus

Nah, I rather not see every nub out there rocking General's gold etc. I already have to put up with Oniric using it xD

Alphashado

gregaw_ESO wrote: »

There's always people like me. I work two jobs and have very little time, and I'd much rather spend what little time I have doing something fun in the game while looking good at the same time If you don't want to pay for it then you don't have to.

It isn't pay to win.

It's funding the game we enjoy.

What is so bad about it?

I can sympathize with you. I really can. I work a lot of hours myself. A 12 hr shift doesn't leave much time for gaming.

However, I also accept that I will probably never have every dye, and I am ok with that.

I would much rather take comfort in the fact that I will have another thing to strive for than any sense of cheap accomplishment I might feel by buying them all.

The dyes and the achievements tied to them create incentive to complete content, and that is healthy for the longevity of the game. For every previous incentive that is converted to instant gratification, the integrity and longevity of the game is more and more diminished.

That's how this working man feels about it.

Ganacampo

AvalonSkye wrote: »

A Big Fat NO

This.

phairdon

Great idea! Obviously none of the dyes associated with achievements should be sold. Dyes come in a multitude of colors, so introducing new dyes should not be a problem. Only other way would be to introduce new dyes with new achievements and/or content. Guess I do not think the sky is going to fall over a few dyes being sold.

Certainly do not believe introducing dyes to the crown store means gear would follow. Armor skins as already sold & perhaps weapon/shield skins.

MCMancub

phairdon wrote: »

Great idea! Obviously none of the dyes associated with achievements should be sold. Dyes come in a multitude of colors, so introducing new dyes should not be a problem. Only other way would be to introduce new dyes with new achievements and/or content. Guess I do not think the sky is going to fall over a few dyes being sold.

Certainly do not believe introducing dyes to the crown store means gear would follow. Armor skins as already sold & perhaps weapon/shield skins.

I think I sympathize with your post the most. Specific dyes that are tied to achievements (like General's Gold) should be kept separate, but there really should be an easier way to get dyes.

GaldorP

Dyes in ESO are linked to achievements. Adding any dyes that can be purchased for real money would greatly devalue those achievements. If you complete just the normal non veteran content with a single character you will unlock dyes from almost the full colour spectrum. Rare, special, shiny dyes currently need to be earned in the game and not outside of it.

Cody

NO.

EARN THEM

/sigh

if you want to buy everything, then why are you even playing this game? its an MMO! progression is one of its strengths!
play the game and earn them.

Cody

ShadowHvo wrote: »

ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PEOPLE STOP TRYING TO MONETIZE THINGS

Why? This is not like the pets nor mounts where you can only get them through the store. Here it is offered to earn it INGAME or spend a stupid high amount of cash to get a SINGLE colour, without getting the achievement OR achievement points.

Govalon wrote: »

NO. The cash shop already sapps LOT of fun out of this game. This is another cash shop item that would remove one reason to play a game. I like working towards obtaining as many colours as possible. Bypassing all this content with money makes me disgusted. Even thinking about it makes me really mad. The cash shop has ruined enough, lets not make it any worse.

No? It adds to the reason to play the game "the way you want to". The current system forces you into activities you do not enjoy to partake in, but you're forced because you want one of the dyes to finalize your perfect armor. Don't pretend this is an instant level up, we're talking of buying a over-priced colour to your armor, nothing more and nothing less.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

There is a ZOS sticky asking for suggestions. Go post there so your opinions are recorded

My apologize, I did not realize that, I'll have it posted there. Thank you very much for that!

Jaxsun wrote: »

All you Rockefellers that keep suggesting things for the crown store, please stop. Don't give them any more ideas on how to nickel and dime us.

As with the first guy I answered to beforehand, this is a way for those of us who do not wish to grind for months without end in either PvP or PvE just to get the single dye we need in order to finalize our roleplaying gear. The way I proposed this is in such a way that you would ultimately get a higher reward by earning it ingame by completing the associated achievement, but that those who don't have the time, nor the patience to grind for months in activities they don't want can just flat out purchase it for an overpriced price if they so desire.

lordrichter wrote: »

Honestly, there are so many colors that are very close to each other, and so much variation with how one color looks on different material, that if they tried to offer dyes for Crowns, it would not work. People would not get value for the purchase.

Well yes, we would? Thats why we want the dyes to begin with, to finalize, and make our dream character outfits and armor combinations. Yes, many dyes "looks" the same, but they'rent

Lifsteinn wrote: »

Why not? This is just colors, cosmetic, not a big deal.
If they continue allow you to obtain this with normal gameplay, it is fine!

I would probably not buy, but I'm not against selling anything pure cosmetic.

Precisely!

you think people ENJOY grinding for the colors? NO. they don't. People do it because they feel a sense of accomplishment when they finally get it, and it makes them feel special and helps them stick out when they get that color.

making it purchasable would ruin it. It is not fair that someone could just come in and buy the coldharbour ash black that took me completing levels 1-50 to earn, or the legate black that took someone MONTHS of PvP to earn; you get my point.

You want to get a color? then earn it. I dont care if you are an RPer, PvPer, does not matter. work for your stuff, not ask for them to be handed to you all because you forked up some cash.

and here is where i dont get people that complain about the $15 a month fee....

people do not want to pay 15 bucks a month, yet they are perfectly willing to spend 25-40 bucks for a mount, or 20-30(maybe even more) bucks for dyes.... yet they dont want to pay a small $15/month sub fee?

people confuse me.

#cookies

ShadowHvo

The amount of folk who comes in here and claims that you don't want to play the game and just buy everything, and then procedes to say "If you want to buy everything, why do you play?" is just mindboggeling.

jesus people, have a further reach than the jesus beam. Read what is actually being written and what is being said instead of just jumping in to a conclusion immediately and blatently attempt to shame someone you don't know.

Jaxsun

asteldian wrote: »

Jaxsun wrote: »

All you Rockefellers that keep suggesting things for the crown store, please stop. Don't give them any more ideas on how to nickel and dime us.

Which is good - because the more BS inconsequential rubbish we can get on their store to make money, the longer it will take before they feel the need to add actual gear that matters onto the store.

Your absolutely right, I rescind my argument, bring on the torchbug mounts.
Thank You!!

Atirez

You could a different set of colours:

I'm filthy rich purple, $1000
I'm comfortably well off blue $500
I find myself with some disposable income orange $100
This is all I could afford green $50
Wish I had more money brown $1

But, the dyes from in game achievements should not be in the crown store. Play the game and earn them. Having items like this will just result in people installing the game, buying all of the achievements and quitting. Lets build a strong community not a flash in the pan player base.

Sandmanninja

No

Keep the dyes tied to achieves

Cody

ShadowHvo wrote: »

The amount of folk who comes in here and claims that you don't want to play the game and just buy everything, and then procedes to say "If you want to buy everything, why do you play?" is just mindboggeling.

jesus people, have a further reach than the jesus beam. Read what is actually being written and what is being said instead of just jumping in to a conclusion immediately and blatently attempt to shame someone you don't know.

I have read your post, do not immediately jump to the conclusion that I have not simply because I disagree with you.

also, i am not attempting to shame anyone. if i was attempting to shame you you would DEFINITELY know it. It would be a text wall of immature nonsense that i would be rightfully banned for. Now...


what value would these dyes have if they could simply be bought in the crown store? NONE. any cool combinations people come up with would no longer be unique, as one could just buy the colors with cash instead of playing thru the game itself and earning them. there would be no uniqueness, no standing out, no work required to get that awesome looking dye you want. dyes are account wide, so one does NOT have to earn them all over again on alts, so you should have time to get the dyes you want.

is all you do is RP? if so that is not a problem, but just because you RP does not give you a reason to make dyes purchasable in the crown store. ZOS spent A LOT of time making all this content, you have to play it just like everyone else. and no, I am not calling you entitled or the usual insult, just stating fact, It is not fair for you to be able to buy the dyes that others have had to spend months working for, just because you want to have more time for RPing. work for your dyes, earn them like everyone else.

Cody

MornaBaine wrote: »

I wasn't happy to see them offer Motifs in the crown shop at all. This is going to really hurt the crafting community. But DYES? Somethign that is purely cosmetic and should NEVER have been tied to achievements in the first place? Something anyone who doesn't PvP constantly will NEVER be able to get? No, that's just not right. NONE of the dyes should have been locked. But since they are, there's absolutely NO reason not to also sell them in the store.

dyes are not earned just from PvP........

my fav, coldharbour ash black, is earned from PvE:/

cyclonus11

Only if the dyes are not obtainable in-game.

Cody

and you have played for 3 months?

what dyes are you trying to get? im surprised you do not have them if you have played for 3 months.

Kikazaru

No thanks. I put in a lot of effort to unlock most of the rare dyes and would hate to see it be devalued if ZoS decides to support such a ridiculous suggestion.

gregaw_ESO

So basically it comes down to people wanting to feel special for "earning" their dyes. It's almost sounds like it makes sense but it doesn't. These "achievements" mostly just show how much spare time you have and how long you can mindlessly grind content in a virtual world. Doesn't sound like much of an achievement to me. Why are you proud of that? Why would you even want to others to know?

At least if it's in the shop, you can still get the dye without spending money.

And sure it sounds crazy to spend real money on virtual items, but at least I'd be contributing to a game I enjoy. Most games I'd already would have paid $15 a month for the experience anyway.

Araxleon

Maybe we could do like a Minecraft server kinda system? 50$ for the rank herobrine lmao

Genomic

Just having dyes in the cash shop is not such a big issue. The issue is how far ZOS will go with this. A sense of achievement is gained in an MMO through progression, obtaining items, etc. The rarer the items are, the greater the sense of achievement.

Dyes are an achievement for some people, high level crafting for others, or beating a tough mob, etc. This is how people measure the value of a game. By the challenge and the rewards.

Cash shops always devalue this because there is no challenge in instant gratification. But the cash shop is here now, and this is the future of ESO, so no point in complaining about that in itself. But the ball is in ZOS court now to minimise the erosion of challenge/reward in ESO through careful management of the Crown store. Or not.

Carafina34

Stop giving ZOS more ideas on how to shaft us please! I am already super unhappy the barbershop will be a crown store thing. also I strongly suspect all the content we were promised and are yet to see (imperial city etc) is just being withheld so they can milk us dry via crowns.

I love this game but ZOS are proving that they are only about getting as much money as quick as possible, they have a seriously aggressive monetary goal, more so than I have seen with other B2P games.

Takhistis

No. They are tied to some hard to get achievements... Remove the dye, or atlas make it obtainable in another way, and few will do that

bloodenragedb14_ESO

some things should remain only obtainable by playing the game

SHADOW2KK

Naw sorry, some achievements grant dyes and in my humble opinion that is how it should be, Crown Store is getting out of control as it is with motifs now being sold, lost count of how many soul destroyingly boring hours I put in farming motifs pre1.6 and to have them on Crown Store irritates me.

Some of us need the achievements to work towards and the accompanying sense of achievement that it brings with it for getting it the proper way, not just buying stuff, its a slippery slope.

Teargrants

ShadowHvo wrote: »

My proposal for a fair pricing:
Commen dyes: 100 crowns
Uncommen dyes: 500 crowns
Rare dyes: 1000 crowns

Dyes are pretty much the only thing that add actual value to most of the achievements, beyond just boosting your ego.

Keron

I'm in a depressing mood right now, so I'll just go ahead and post this:

The really sad thing is going to be that all of us (emphasis that this includes me), who do not want all this stuff on the crown store and rant and rave now, will continue to play even after they (ZOS) will have put dyes in store next month or the golden tempers in three months time.

Hell, most of us probably will continue even if they put skill points on it, because, you know, we at the bottom of our hearts loathe to give up what we have achieved before "me buy legendary long time, you party?". We will just be miserable.

Malnutrition

Just no. No.

Some_Jerk

Perhaps dyes unique to the crown store should be implemented rather than buying the dyes tied to achievements

Praxxos

I wonder if some people think that having crowns on stock causes cancer...why do people so desperatly HAVE to spend their crowns instead of saving them?