DKs are ridiculous in pvp

TheLaw

I play a magika build sorc with a 2-hander and a resto staff. While DK's are the hardest class for me to kill, I can whittle away at most without issue. A skilled DK is nearly impossible to kill alone, although, they won't kill me either.

Cody

Thechemicals wrote: »

michaelb14a_ESO2 wrote: »

Can any DK here that doesn't believe their class is at all OP, please tell me, what WOULD YOU CONSIDER OP?

Please, give me a theoretical in game example of something you think would make a class OP?

Anything that requires excessive resources to combat and/or cannot be countered with standard abilities and skills. Anything that cannot be countered at all or requires specific and well groomed gear/skills.

I find shield blocking spam clipped with block-attacking-lava-whip to be overpowered. It requires too much stamina resource, and defensive skills, and manuevers, to sustain a fight against a DK using this style of play.

I find shadow cloak to be overpowered when coupled with certain gear pieces as well, because a player can attack you and fail and escape without possibility of a counter within one meter of you. I have crit rushed shadow cloakers and theyyve disapeared at the location of impact. The counter is costly; using magelight which has to be applied to both loadouts for practicality and often having to build skills around magelight for things to make sense, beyond having it on just for NB's

I find batswarm to be overpowered because its invisibility morph is not countered by magelight for revealing and single target based attacking the *** vampire.

cloak COULD be OP if it did not break more than half the dang time

Francescolg

michaelpatterson wrote: »

I disagree (...) my blazing shield morph gives me as much as 2k dmg shield..

So you have 6.000 - 6.500 HP? Blazing shield normally is 900 - 1200 points strong.
Even if you push near hard cap, I think HP will be around 4500, with some bonuses (resto/mage guild/pvp ultimate + armor skills?)... but I've never seen 6k hp

Gorthax

its because every one wants to play the broke DK+RS+S&B(sometimes they toss vamp in there) combo. Go figure. ZoS obviously does not listen nor plan to address the issue as they have been ever so quiet. Should they finally address this issue we are going to see a lot more crying on these forums from DK.

More so than the ones trying to defend the clearly broken RS mechanic.

Gorthax

aco5712 wrote: »

it really is a L2P though. DKs can tank those types of numbers because they are going up against pugs and they actually know how to 1vX. If you ever watch those videos about 1vX, its against random pugs who do the stupid stuff that the DK wants them to do and thats how he kills them.

If your NB:
- fear
- shades/light attacks to beat down their stamina and then CC
- constantly move around
- aoe

If your sorc:
- curse (dont even mention this lol DK will just heal the damage you do faster than you can deal it)
- pet explosion (broken and again, they will heal the damage you do faster than you can deal it)
- aoe (weak weak weak weak weak! plus they can just side step and force you to keep spamming AoE to try to do pitiful damage to them plus the cost is so ungodly for such pitiful damage)

if your templar:
- dark flare healing debuff (if they use wings constantly, time it with eclipse)
- blazing shield
- blazing spears
- aoe

If your group cant take down 1 DK, you all need to practice up.

Fixed this for you and made some modifications :P

Cathexis

Just stun *** them back. Even if you don't win, you can feel vindicated in knowing you gave them a taste of their own ***.

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO

aco5712 wrote: »

it really is a L2P though. DKs can tank those types of numbers because they are going up against pugs and they actually know how to 1vX. If you ever watch those videos about 1vX, its against random pugs who do the stupid stuff that the DK wants them to do and thats how he kills them.

If your NB:
- fear
- shades/light attacks to beat down their stamina and then CC
- constantly move around
- aoe

If your sorc:
- curse
- pet explosion
- aoe

if your templar:
- dark flare healing debuff (if they use wings constantly, time it with eclipse)
- blazing shield
- blazing spears
- aoe

If your group cant take down 1 DK, you all need to practice up.

I agree but... There are still balance issues as well.

jpalm1995

Gorthax wrote: »

aco5712 wrote: »

it really is a L2P though. DKs can tank those types of numbers because they are going up against pugs and they actually know how to 1vX. If you ever watch those videos about 1vX, its against random pugs who do the stupid stuff that the DK wants them to do and thats how he kills them.

If your NB:
- fear
- shades/light attacks to beat down their stamina and then CC
- constantly move around
- aoe

If your sorc:
- curse (dont even mention this lol DK will just heal the damage you do faster than you can deal it)
- pet explosion (broken and again, they will heal the damage you do faster than you can deal it)
- aoe (weak weak weak weak weak! plus they can just side step and force you to keep spamming AoE to try to do pitiful damage to them plus the cost is so ungodly for such pitiful damage)

if your templar:
- dark flare healing debuff (if they use wings constantly, time it with eclipse)
- blazing shield
- blazing spears
- aoe

If your group cant take down 1 DK, you all need to practice up.

Fixed this for you and made some modifications :P

I'll help you out. Keep cursing, pop daedric mines for when they charge, BE over them. When you realize that they have ran out of stamina, negate them and have at it with crystal frags or whatever. Go on youtube and watch Davenaro's dueling videos. He's an excellent sorc.

Jacques Berge

DKs are not OP... Why does everyone complain all the time? Ugh... Watch... Not OP at all... Watch I can brawl with, I insta-kill, and troll the crap out of everyone and anyone in AvA... I had to take a break cause everything was getting too easy for me. I'm even a vampire and I do not give a flying f**k if you're a DK. http://youtu.be/6j32My3rLF0

Dekkameron

Thechemicals wrote: »

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

The best tank in the game + DPS + perma Root + instant heals. OP much ZOS? Oh and then lets throw vampire skills on top of that.

Something seriously wrong with a class when it constantly takes 5+ people/zerg group to take down one DK in pvp. I see this all the time.

Look at this Dk in action bro.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwIIDzrVVdc

No wonder that guy kicks bums, his opponents are hitting him with thin pieces of balsa wood.

Soulac

How to deal against standard Magicka the DKs as a NB:
- let him waste Stamina by using charge on u
Use shadow image (drains Stamina too) and cripple to hold range
- drain even more Stamina wit stuns every 6 seconds (fear)
- remove talons with dark cloak, block his charges (helpful to let him waste Magicka too by spamming talons)
- Attack him with range attacks or go melee with more dmg, but less Stamina drain
- get him to ~60% HP without having a Shield up
- burst him down with death stroke, execute etc.

Watch my Videos if you wanna see the tactics.

Works on nearly every DK if he waste his Stamina for stupid charges and blocks.
If they use arena set or don't block (mostly experienced players) at all to avoid the Stamina drain, wait for a mistake and kill him then. (takes more time and need some experienced)

DKs in 1v1 are rly cute if you know what they're able to do and how to deal with them.
So please stop this kind of thread..

Cody

Jacques Berge wrote: »

DKs are not OP... Why does everyone complain all the time? Ugh... Watch... Not OP at all... Watch I can brawl with, I insta-kill, and troll the crap out of everyone and anyone in AvA... I had to take a break cause everything was getting too easy for me. I'm even a vampire and I do not give a flying f**k if you're a DK. http://youtu.be/6j32My3rLF0

ill get there someday

someday.....

LegacyDM

Jacques Berge wrote: »

DKs are not OP... Why does everyone complain all the time? Ugh... Watch... Not OP at all... Watch I can brawl with, I insta-kill, and troll the crap out of everyone and anyone in AvA... I had to take a break cause everything was getting too easy for me. I'm even a vampire and I do not give a flying f**k if you're a DK. http://youtu.be/6j32My3rLF0

That's the worst dk I've ever seen. + he he got jumped by the npc. Fyi shades doesn't do *** to a good dk nowadays. He wasn't even abusing perm shield block/casting.

Just so the general audience knows, this is not the norm for a normal dk in cyrodil. This was a pretty crappy dk in tHe video.

Jacques Berge

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

Jacques Berge wrote: »

DKs are not OP... Why does everyone complain all the time? Ugh... Watch... Not OP at all... Watch I can brawl with, I insta-kill, and troll the crap out of everyone and anyone in AvA... I had to take a break cause everything was getting too easy for me. I'm even a vampire and I do not give a flying f**k if you're a DK. http://youtu.be/6j32My3rLF0

That's the worst dk I've ever seen. + he he got jumped by the npc. Fyi shades doesn't do *** to a good dk nowadays. He wasn't even abusing perm shield block/casting.

Just so the general audience knows, this is not the norm for a normal dk in cyrodil. This was a pretty crappy dk in tHe video.

Hahahaha... I'm sure you're awesome... Man o man... Some of these posts make me laugh

Spangla

Jacques Berge wrote: »

DKs are not OP... Why does everyone complain all the time? Ugh... Watch... Not OP at all... Watch I can brawl with, I insta-kill, and troll the crap out of everyone and anyone in AvA... I had to take a break cause everything was getting too easy for me. I'm even a vampire and I do not give a flying f**k if you're a DK. http://youtu.be/6j32My3rLF0

Cause all the good DK's r in pve areas lol

Asgari

aco5712 wrote: »

it really is a L2P though. DKs can tank those types of numbers because they are going up against pugs and they actually know how to 1vX. If you ever watch those videos about 1vX, its against random pugs who do the stupid stuff that the DK wants them to do and thats how he kills them.

If your NB:
- fear
- shades/light attacks to beat down their stamina and then CC
- constantly move around
- aoe

If your sorc:
- curse
- pet explosion
- aoe

if your templar:
- dark flare healing debuff (if they use wings constantly, time it with eclipse)
- blazing shield
- blazing spears
- aoe

If your group cant take down 1 DK, you all need to practice up.

So true, guys like myself and other 1vX DKs play off of silly players who sit too close and use the wrong skills or use projectiles as we reflect. Very simple mistakes that add up and make the DK stronger.

Jacques Berge

Spangla wrote: »

Jacques Berge wrote: »

DKs are not OP... Why does everyone complain all the time? Ugh... Watch... Not OP at all... Watch I can brawl with, I insta-kill, and troll the crap out of everyone and anyone in AvA... I had to take a break cause everything was getting too easy for me. I'm even a vampire and I do not give a flying f**k if you're a DK. http://youtu.be/6j32My3rLF0

Cause all the good DK's r in pve areas lol

Oh har har har... Why don't you post a video of all your exploits there guy? All because someone is in a questing hub doesn't mean they're trash. Sorry I don't post videos of me in the 40v40 Zerg fests of boredom. As far as I know you don't even play the game... Never seen you post any sort of video that may give aspiring players a chance to discover a build and playstyle that fits them. Maybe you should try contributing to the conversation.

Lorkhan

xMovingTarget wrote: »

Three letters,

L2P

There you go.

l2p means: level a dk alt

Cody

Spangla wrote: »

Jacques Berge wrote: »

DKs are not OP... Why does everyone complain all the time? Ugh... Watch... Not OP at all... Watch I can brawl with, I insta-kill, and troll the crap out of everyone and anyone in AvA... I had to take a break cause everything was getting too easy for me. I'm even a vampire and I do not give a flying f**k if you're a DK. http://youtu.be/6j32My3rLF0

Cause all the good DK's r in pve areas lol

i did tons of PvE and im not that bad at the game.....

IxSTALKERxI

Lol if you think a DK is hard to kill then you havn't seen my Nightblade in action.

morvegil

aco5712 wrote: »

it really is a L2P though. DKs can tank those types of numbers because they are going up against pugs and they actually know how to 1vX. If you ever watch those videos about 1vX, its against random pugs who do the stupid stuff that the DK wants them to do and thats how he kills them.

If your NB:
- fear
- shades/light attacks to beat down their stamina and then CC
- constantly move around
- aoe

If your sorc:
- curse
- pet explosion
- aoe

if your templar:
- dark flare healing debuff (if they use wings constantly, time it with eclipse)
- blazing shield
- blazing spears
- aoe

If your group cant take down 1 DK, you all need to practice up.

Lol...shades works sometimes. Fear.is a joke....times can hold down block. Equal players....a DK will win.

Digiman

aco5712 wrote: »

it really is a L2P though. DKs can tank those types of numbers because they are going up against pugs and they actually know how to 1vX. If you ever watch those videos about 1vX, its against random pugs who do the stupid stuff that the DK wants them to do and thats how he kills them.

If your NB:
- fear
- shades/light attacks to beat down their stamina and then CC
- constantly move around
- aoe

If your sorc:
- curse
- pet explosion
- aoe

if your templar:
- dark flare healing debuff (if they use wings constantly, time it with eclipse)
- blazing shield
- blazing spears
- aoe

If your group cant take down 1 DK, you all need to practice up.

Till reflective scales and then your ***.

The moment a DK sees and heads towards your direction you are screwed, especially if he is a vampire.

Only a few builds can outlast that class and that's if they are Health packed with heavy armor, the rest is just fodder till he focuses you and takes you down.

Hate to say it, but if there is one class that deserves two caps in the knee its the Dragon knight.

Durham

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

xMovingTarget wrote: »

Three letters,

L2P

There you go.

how is it L2P when it constantly takes a zerg group to take down 1 DK?

90% of the DKs you encounter go down easily what you are seeing are very good players playing them... It seems like 70% population is dks ATM... Wings everywhere only way to survive the bow damage currently...

Gorthax

jpalm1995 wrote: »

Gorthax wrote: »

aco5712 wrote: »

it really is a L2P though. DKs can tank those types of numbers because they are going up against pugs and they actually know how to 1vX. If you ever watch those videos about 1vX, its against random pugs who do the stupid stuff that the DK wants them to do and thats how he kills them.

If your NB:
- fear
- shades/light attacks to beat down their stamina and then CC
- constantly move around
- aoe

If your sorc:
- curse (dont even mention this lol DK will just heal the damage you do faster than you can deal it)
- pet explosion (broken and again, they will heal the damage you do faster than you can deal it)
- aoe (weak weak weak weak weak! plus they can just side step and force you to keep spamming AoE to try to do pitiful damage to them plus the cost is so ungodly for such pitiful damage)

if your templar:
- dark flare healing debuff (if they use wings constantly, time it with eclipse)
- blazing shield
- blazing spears
- aoe

If your group cant take down 1 DK, you all need to practice up.

Fixed this for you and made some modifications :P

I'll help you out. Keep cursing, pop daedric mines for when they charge, BE over them. When you realize that they have ran out of stamina, negate them and have at it with crystal frags or whatever. Go on youtube and watch Davenaro's dueling videos. He's an excellent sorc.

Stopped watching when he pulled out sword and shield. Sorry. Everyone says "watch X person he is awesome!" then I go to watch and it is a sword and shield user lol no thanks. So I proceeded to watch it after skipping the bs sword and shield fight, and I will admit that yes he is good with the double staff. That being said, mines cost to much to just stand still and wait for the charge. Streaking through them is blockable and cost far to much magicka after cast once with a huge penalty to us. Very rarely used in fights.

Curse is ok, but the second someone else throws curse my curse is removed. Skill wont be good until that is not the case. Same target I understand, more than 1 target in the immediate area, no it shouldnt be like that.

Pets lol volatile familiar does not stun no more, and the damage is hit or miss. Meaning it will either work or it doesnt.

scottub17_ESO17

People complain because most of the server is DK, and a lot of them use block+talon spam builds.

Nightblade block spammers are even worse than DK

Templars are also just as dumb with certain builds

The only class that could use some love is Sorc, and Update 6 is coming soon anyways.

Lynx7386

It really is an overexageration that "most players are dk's". This is a case of perception overruling observation - everyone has this preconception that dragonknights are overpowered and the only class worth playing, so that's all they see, and they subconsciously block out the fact that there's pretty much equal numbers of the other classes out there in the world.

Every class/faction poll made since launch has shown pretty much equal distribution between the four classes and three factions. Most show a slightly higher dragonknight percentage on the pact, slightly higher templar/sorceror percentage on the covenant, and slightly higher nightblade percentage on the dominion, but the numbers are so close it's insubstantial.

I've been levelling a dragonknight myself lately (and to think, back at launch I swore I'd never play the class and had no interest in it whatsoever, but it's turning out to be pretty fun), and nearly every other player I've seen in the world while levelling in the pact has been a templar or sorceror. Seen a couple nightblades, and a few other dragonknights, but the overbearing majority has been templars, followed closely by sorcs.

You cant take the vocal minority declaring fact on these forums as an actual representation of the state of the game, it just isnt accurate.

Cody

Lynx7386 wrote: »

It really is an overexageration that "most players are dk's". This is a case of perception overruling observation - everyone has this preconception that dragonknights are overpowered and the only class worth playing, so that's all they see, and they subconsciously block out the fact that there's pretty much equal numbers of the other classes out there in the world.

Every class/faction poll made since launch has shown pretty much equal distribution between the four classes and three factions. Most show a slightly higher dragonknight percentage on the pact, slightly higher templar/sorceror percentage on the covenant, and slightly higher nightblade percentage on the dominion, but the numbers are so close it's insubstantial.

I've been levelling a dragonknight myself lately (and to think, back at launch I swore I'd never play the class and had no interest in it whatsoever, but it's turning out to be pretty fun), and nearly every other player I've seen in the world while levelling in the pact has been a templar or sorceror. Seen a couple nightblades, and a few other dragonknights, but the overbearing majority has been templars, followed closely by sorcs.

You cant take the vocal minority declaring fact on these forums as an actual representation of the state of the game, it just isnt accurate.

log into cyrodiil.

A LOT of dragonknights.

that's ok though. A lot of them have no idea how to use the FoTM build they decided to play, and are easy kills:)

the bounty for them also fills up in like 3 minutes, so when I get "kill DK" quest, im like "yay!!!!!":D

Spangla

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

aco5712 wrote: »

it really is a L2P though. DKs can tank those types of numbers because they are going up against pugs and they actually know how to 1vX. If you ever watch those videos about 1vX, its against random pugs who do the stupid stuff that the DK wants them to do and thats how he kills them.

If your NB:
- fear
- shades/light attacks to beat down their stamina and then CC
- constantly move around
- aoe

If your sorc:
- curse
- pet explosion
- aoe

if your templar:
- dark flare healing debuff (if they use wings constantly, time it with eclipse)
- blazing shield
- blazing spears
- aoe

If your group cant take down 1 DK, you all need to practice up.

So true, guys like myself and other 1vX DKs play off of silly players who sit too close and use the wrong skills or use projectiles as we reflect. Very simple mistakes that add up and make the DK stronger.

I love this Don't get close to the dk then! Ok cool yea good idea ill shoot him from range. Ah crap reflect! oh no, ok ill zap him with my staff - well..... his magic regen is enough to absorb that damage all day. Right - ill fear him. Ahhhhh hes wearing light armour but he still has access to immovable... dam that didnt work.... k best get away from him, oh wait cant! talons with no cc timers !!!! CRAP . Right ill use cloak. Or not it doesn't work, conclusions dont engage dk... cool um what do i do when hes on the flag of a keep im trying to defend?

Now i know i can build specifically to beat a dk maybe in a long drawn out 1v1 - although id suggest that this is nit possible at the top level as the duelling tournament was won by a dk so hmmm.

Please don't shout at me for pointing out the BLINDINGLY OBVIOUS:)

Cody

Spangla wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

aco5712 wrote: »

it really is a L2P though. DKs can tank those types of numbers because they are going up against pugs and they actually know how to 1vX. If you ever watch those videos about 1vX, its against random pugs who do the stupid stuff that the DK wants them to do and thats how he kills them.

If your NB:
- fear
- shades/light attacks to beat down their stamina and then CC
- constantly move around
- aoe

If your sorc:
- curse
- pet explosion
- aoe

if your templar:
- dark flare healing debuff (if they use wings constantly, time it with eclipse)
- blazing shield
- blazing spears
- aoe

If your group cant take down 1 DK, you all need to practice up.

So true, guys like myself and other 1vX DKs play off of silly players who sit too close and use the wrong skills or use projectiles as we reflect. Very simple mistakes that add up and make the DK stronger.

I love this Don't get close to the dk then! Ok cool yea good idea ill shoot him from range. Ah crap reflect! oh no, ok ill zap him with my staff - well..... his magic regen is enough to absorb that damage all day. Right - ill fear him. Ahhhhh hes wearing light armour but he still has access to immovable... dam that didnt work.... k best get away from him, oh wait cant! talons with no cc timers !!!! CRAP . Right ill use cloak. Or not it doesn't work, conclusions dont engage dk... cool um what do i do when hes on the flag of a keep im trying to defend?

Now i know i can build specifically to beat a dk maybe in a long drawn out 1v1 - although id suggest that this is nit possible at the top level as the duelling tournament was won by a dk so hmmm.

Please don't shout at me for pointing out the BLINDINGLY OBVIOUS:)

DKs are a LITTLE OP.

Not much, just a little.

Its the talon spamming that really ticks me off. DKs have access to the ability to keep someone permanently rooted the entire fight, which I think is total BS.

trimsic_ESO

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

The best tank in the game + DPS + perma Root + instant heals. OP much ZOS? Oh and then lets throw vampire skills on top of that.

Something seriously wrong with a class when it constantly takes 5+ people/zerg group to take down one DK in pvp. I see this all the time.

Magicka DK are ridiculous. And actually, magicka builds in general are ridiculously OP. Hope 1.6. will finally fix this.