DKs are ridiculous in pvp

LegacyDM

The best tank in the game + DPS + perma Root + instant heals. OP much ZOS? Oh and then lets throw vampire skills on top of that.

Something seriously wrong with a class when it constantly takes 5+ people/zerg group to take down one DK in pvp. I see this all the time.

xMovingTarget

Three letters,

L2P

There you go.

LegacyDM

xMovingTarget wrote: »

Three letters,

L2P

There you go.

how is it L2P when it constantly takes a zerg group to take down 1 DK?

LegacyDM

You honestly think its fair that one class gets all the capabilities I mentioned in my OP? You think that's balanced?

LegacyDM

What do nightblades get? a broken sneak function? Where damage was recently nerfed. A bow mechanic that relies on exploiting animation to do any real damage? Siphoning skills that tickle their opponent due to lackluster damage over time? Burst ability that doesn't do crap because everyone is running around with 3k+HP and impenetrable in PvP?

What do Sorcs get? Bolt escape?

Templars? Don't make me laugh...

aco5712

it really is a L2P though. DKs can tank those types of numbers because they are going up against pugs and they actually know how to 1vX. If you ever watch those videos about 1vX, its against random pugs who do the stupid stuff that the DK wants them to do and thats how he kills them.

If your NB:
- fear
- shades/light attacks to beat down their stamina and then CC
- constantly move around
- aoe

If your sorc:
- curse
- pet explosion
- aoe

if your templar:
- dark flare healing debuff (if they use wings constantly, time it with eclipse)
- blazing shield
- blazing spears
- aoe

If your group cant take down 1 DK, you all need to practice up.

Armitas

There is a video of a NB taking down a DK, Current Emperor, Vampire in a 1v1. So while it may take 5 people in certain groups, other people can do it with one person.

iliatha

dk isnt op in 1v1. but dks with 1v1 equip and skills are very good in groups or zerg too, nbs arent because of less defense and cc.

Orchish

I have seen Nightblades do the exact same thing, tanking and holding many players. Templars too, with their blazing shield and retstro staff combo.

This isn't only something DKs can do, and i think you know this if you actually play PvP on a daily basis. Another case of a player dying to a DK and moaning on the forums.

Warraxx

xMovingTarget wrote: »

Three letters,

L2P

There you go.

um, 2 letters and 1 number...

Orchish

Warraxx wrote: »

xMovingTarget wrote: »

Three letters,

L2P

There you go.

um, 2 letters and 1 number...

Doesn't change the fact he is right though.

Xexpo

aco5712 wrote: »

it really is a L2P though. DKs can tank those types of numbers because they are going up against pugs and they actually know how to 1vX. If you ever watch those videos about 1vX, its against random pugs who do the stupid stuff that the DK wants them to do and thats how he kills them.

If your NB:
- fear
- shades/light attacks to beat down their stamina and then CC
- constantly move around
- aoe

If your sorc:
- curse
- pet explosion
- aoe

if your templar:
- dark flare healing debuff (if they use wings constantly, time it with eclipse)
- blazing shield
- blazing spears
- aoe

If your group cant take down 1 DK, you all need to practice up.

I don't believe he's saying he can't kill them , just that it usually takes a group of people to down a good DK.
When was the last time a DK in your guild was killed by one person?
(not dueling)

(and was he g-kicked right after ?)

Warraxx

Orchish wrote: »

Warraxx wrote: »

xMovingTarget wrote: »

Three letters,

L2P

There you go.

um, 2 letters and 1 number...

Doesn't change the fact he is right though.

technically you are incorrect. he's wrong, should be stated as Magika DK...
please stop trying to nerf my Stamina DK

Still_Mind

Warraxx wrote: »

Orchish wrote: »

Warraxx wrote: »

xMovingTarget wrote: »

Three letters,

L2P

There you go.

um, 2 letters and 1 number...

Doesn't change the fact he is right though.

technically you are incorrect. he's wrong, should be stated as Magika DK...
please stop trying to nerf my Stamina DK

Indeed )))

xMovingTarget

Warraxx wrote: »

xMovingTarget wrote: »

Three letters,

L2P

There you go.

um, 2 letters and 1 number...

I knew someone would bring that up

Juraigr

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

The best tank in the game + DPS + perma Root + instant heals. OP much ZOS? Oh and then lets throw vampire skills on top of that.

Something seriously wrong with a class when it constantly takes 5+ people/zerg group to take down one DK in pvp. I see this all the time.

Stop complaining and grow a pair

eventide03b14a_ESO

I love that people are defending this like they are not OP. Playing a DK is a complete face roll and one or two anecdotes about a nightblade taking a group down doesn't change that. We are not talking about isolated incidents here but some that has been well documented and seen. This isn't even about just Reflective Scales either. They get some of the best AoE damage, bonuses to fire damage, one of the absolute best self heals and regenerations, armor buffs, etc etc. This is indisputable.

Thechemicals

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

The best tank in the game + DPS + perma Root + instant heals. OP much ZOS? Oh and then lets throw vampire skills on top of that.

Something seriously wrong with a class when it constantly takes 5+ people/zerg group to take down one DK in pvp. I see this all the time.

Look at this Dk in action bro.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwIIDzrVVdc

eliisra

Orchish wrote: »

I have seen Nightblades do the exact same thing, tanking and holding many players. Templars too, with their blazing shield and retstro staff combo.

This isn't only something DKs can do, and i think you know this if you actually play PvP on a daily basis. Another case of a player dying to a DK and moaning on the forums.

Can, but not nearly as strong and effective. Templars only have solid defence v.s. mele opponents, ranged will pin them down quickly, no PBAoE leech, no ulti synergy and mediocre resource management. They also lack a class ultimate suitable for the playstyle.

NB tanks are free to derp both mele and range, nothing to worry about. No reflect, no class shield, no block synergy. Veil/Bats and Sap can keep them up for a while, that's about it.

Both these classes also deals way less dmg if they go for AoE tanking in PvP. I'm not agreeing with the OP really. But DK's are still the best class to play in this specific area.

Reason tanky DK's are hard to kill is because 5-6 mongrels always stand in their face feeding them ulti and hp/magicka leech. Than mongrels die trying to outlast Standard and Talons, feeding the DK another free freaking ulti, getting 70% of his resources back. It's very annoying for those nearby that's trying to kill it the proper way.

apostate9

xMovingTarget wrote: »

Three letters,

L2P

There you go.

Word. I wish the muppets would spend as much time refining their build and strategies as they do whinging in the forums about "____ class OP!!"

AllPlayAndNoWork

xMovingTarget wrote: »

Three letters,

L2P

There you go.

Awesome response.... Very insightful.

There you go.

apostate9

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

I love that people are defending this like they are not OP. Playing a DK is a complete face roll and one or two anecdotes about a nightblade taking a group down doesn't change that. We are not talking about isolated incidents here but some that has been well documented and seen. This isn't even about just Reflective Scales either. They get some of the best AoE damage, bonuses to fire damage, one of the absolute best self heals and regenerations, armor buffs, etc etc. This is indisputable.

They're not OP. You're maybe just bad.

Cody

my only irritation with the class is the fact they can keep you taloned down the entire fight.

when facing a DK(which is 95% of the population in all other PvP campaigns beside Blackwater blade) i have 2 options with them:

1. get rooted by talons, roll out, get rooted again.... roll again....... see where im going with this? i will have wasted all my stamina before i can even attack, all because i have to keep escaping the root.
2. stay taloned, and get killed by the DoT.


i can use sparks to dodge the flame whip, i can block the flame whip, and the banner is easy to dodge; as it cant be re-applied over and over again. But the the talons are a bit ridiculous in my opinion. there is no way to fight it besides getting four other teammates and/or getting someone to keep you healed. i believe talons and other roots really need an immunity timer like CC breaking gives.

once you roll out of the root, you will get a small window of immunity from it. It's not an OP mechanic, nor should it hinder players using talons very much at all. It will also make it possible to fight a DK without having to make a similar build yourself, enablling you to still play your build how you want when fighting DKS like this. and lets face it, most DKs DO block and cast talons frequently. Its one of the best abilties of the class. i dont see a problem with lowering their power just a little bit.

Jahosefat

aco5712 wrote: »

If your sorc:
- curse
- pet explosion
- aoe

This is a little out-dated/not-so-good-strat. Pet explosion is currently reflecting off scales (last I checked). Curse is weak, aoe puts you in their aoe range (any of the decent aoes, not liquid lightning lol).

Best strat for sorc IMO is combo of channeled heavy attack (lightning/resto), surge, streak, and something to hit them hard with when reflective scales is down. Appy ults as available.

Pyatra

Jahosefat wrote: »

aco5712 wrote: »

If your sorc:
- curse
- pet explosion
- aoe

This is a little out-dated/not-so-good-strat. Pet explosion is currently reflecting off scales (last I checked). Curse is weak, aoe puts you in their aoe range (any of the decent aoes, not liquid lightning lol).

Best strat for sorc IMO is combo of channeled heavy attack (lightning/resto), surge, streak, and something to hit them hard with when reflective scales is down. Appy ults as available.

Also you can only have 1 curse per target, so out of 50 sorcs, only 1 gets to cast curse on the target otherwise it keeps renewing and never goes off. Even if it does go off it's not great, everyone soft capping SR kinda hurts it in pvp. Lightning Poo! Useless by itself other than spamming to find sneakers and the synergy that makes people complain that they missed a good synergy because of you. Sorc has only 2 options for AoE and it's Impulse and Steal Wind, both gets you in the "Why did I think this was a good idea" range of a DK.

deleted221205-002626

eliisra wrote: »

Orchish wrote: »

I have seen Nightblades do the exact same thing, tanking and holding many players. Templars too, with their blazing shield and retstro staff combo.

This isn't only something DKs can do, and i think you know this if you actually play PvP on a daily basis. Another case of a player dying to a DK and moaning on the forums.

Can, but not nearly as strong and effective. Templars only have solid defence v.s. mele opponents, ranged will pin them down quickly, no PBAoE leech, no ulti synergy and mediocre resource management. They also lack a class ultimate suitable for the playstyle.

NB tanks are free to derp both mele and range, nothing to worry about. No reflect, no class shield, no block synergy. Veil/Bats and Sap can keep them up for a while, that's about it.

Both these classes also deals way less dmg if they go for AoE tanking in PvP. I'm not agreeing with the OP really. But DK's are still the best class to play in this specific area.

Reason tanky DK's are hard to kill is because 5-6 mongrels always stand in their face feeding them ulti and hp/magicka leech. Than mongrels die trying to outlast Standard and Talons, feeding the DK another free freaking ulti, getting 70% of his resources back. It's very annoying for those nearby that's trying to kill it the proper way.

I disagree.. I have a Templar and can assure you that it takes at least 5 archers spamming aimed shot etc to take me down running just bone shield(2500ar) and other morph of blazing shield and an occasional rapid regen. would take 30+ arrows to kill me.. maybe more.. the bone wall drops the arrow dmg to 300-400 and in a group my blazing shield morph gives me as much as 2k dmg shield.. I can spam them all day long and not even take dmg unless theres enough of them doing it.

With this build sorcs are a bigger dps on me

Soulac

As a NB it's rly easy to beat a DK.
Hold range with shadow image and drain his Stamina with stuns and normal light attacks (he use block all the time for sure)
The new Malubeth set is also a nice conter against the huge amount of dots, try it.

DKs are strong, but not that hard to beat, I got more problems against blazing Shield spamming Templars..

Gorthax

aco5712 wrote: »

it really is a L2P though. DKs can tank those types of numbers because they are going up against pugs and they actually know how to 1vX. If you ever watch those videos about 1vX, its against random pugs who do the stupid stuff that the DK wants them to do and thats how he kills them.

If your NB:
- fear
- shades/light attacks to beat down their stamina and then CC
- constantly move around
- aoe

If your sorc:
- curse
- pet explosion
- aoe

if your templar:
- dark flare healing debuff (if they use wings constantly, time it with eclipse)
- blazing shield
- blazing spears
- aoe

If your group cant take down 1 DK, you all need to practice up.

to bad pet explosions DONT do damage any more and havent since 1.5 dropped.......might want to go test that again there buddy....I have been barking up this tree since 1.5 dropped and I am constantly getting yelled at for trying to bring it to ZoS attention with ZERO replies from ZoS about the topic.....even the recent 1.5.5 patch notes from today do NOT mention this.

cosmoplayer

in pvp, the dk is quickest buried on kill 20 quest (at least on thornblade), the NB is the second, templar is the number 3. sorcerer will thake a while.
sometime you find an immortal doped thank whith magma armor razored and even more. after 20 second will gona die, like the common mortal. what can do in that 20 second? lot of damage to those that going to fight it.
who will thake the distance and wait a bit...
mat the power of a single moment or a single shot is not the right way.
on thornblade the 20 dk kills take less then 5 minuts. this is a fact.

DovresMalven

I am also a daedra that's why you guys can't kill me

Pyatra

cosmoplayer wrote: »

in pvp, the dk is quickest buried on kill 20 quest (at least on thornblade), the NB is the second, templar is the number 3. sorcerer will thake a while.
sometime you find an immortal doped thank whith magma armor razored and even more. after 20 second will gona die, like the common mortal. what can do in that 20 second? lot of damage to those that going to fight it.
who will thake the distance and wait a bit...
mat the power of a single moment or a single shot is not the right way.
on thornblade the 20 dk kills take less then 5 minuts. this is a fact.

Had that problem too. Tagged every kill our group made and still took forever on sorcs, probably lower sorc population right now.