DKs are ridiculous in pvp

Cody

cosmoplayer wrote: »

in pvp, the dk is quickest buried on kill 20 quest (at least on thornblade), the NB is the second, templar is the number 3. sorcerer will thake a while.
sometime you find an immortal doped thank whith magma armor razored and even more. after 20 second will gona die, like the common mortal. what can do in that 20 second? lot of damage to those that going to fight it.
who will thake the distance and wait a bit...
mat the power of a single moment or a single shot is not the right way.
on thornblade the 20 dk kills take less then 5 minuts. this is a fact.

could be because most of the population plays a DK:/

thodoris1008

Just have a vamp sneak behind the DK and use feed.Then the rest of your groop can freely smash his face.It's really the fastest way to deal with them.

Cody

xMovingTarget wrote: »

Three letters,

L2P

There you go.

thats Two letters and a number:D

Wreuntzylla

drhodeswub17_ESO wrote: »

I am also a daedra that's why you guys can't kill me

Ouch, how's it going with the huge fighter's guild bonuses against you???

Loneshard

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

Something seriously wrong with a class when it constantly takes 5+ people/zerg group to take down one DK in pvp. I see this all the time.

The devs play DK's! That's why

The_Death_Princess

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

I love that people are defending this like they are not OP. Playing a DK is a complete face roll and one or two anecdotes about a nightblade taking a group down doesn't change that. We are not talking about isolated incidents here but some that has been well documented and seen. This isn't even about just Reflective Scales either. They get some of the best AoE damage, bonuses to fire damage, one of the absolute best self heals and regenerations, armor buffs, etc etc. This is indisputable.

Ahyup.

L2P is stoopid too. Im in one of the top guilds and we ALL complain about DK's. IMO its reflective scales. We all KH2P. The described method of L2P will make your toon even more gimped in comparison to other classes. It equals to I am immune to you, and at the same time gonna control you with yours then control you with mine.

ZOS THATS DUMB! Flat take it out. It is also a MAJOR contributor to lag/animation bugs. Nearly every single time a reflect happens on me, it bugs. The code even knows its shouldnt be doing it.

Hell, when was the last time you saw a none DK solo a resource in under 3 minutes. (We see it all the time because as KH2P we know diversions).

Loneshard

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

I love that people are defending this like they are not OP. Playing a DK is a complete face roll and one or two anecdotes about a nightblade taking a group down doesn't change that. We are not talking about isolated incidents here but some that has been well documented and seen. This isn't even about just Reflective Scales either. They get some of the best AoE damage, bonuses to fire damage, one of the absolute best self heals and regenerations, armor buffs, etc etc. This is indisputable.

That's right!

Jitterbug

drhodeswub17_ESO wrote: »

I am also a daedra that's why you guys can't kill me

Pfft I killed my first daedra when I was level 3!
That's back when we had to walk to school in 4 feet of snow, mind you.

Still_Mind

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

drhodeswub17_ESO wrote: »

I am also a daedra that's why you guys can't kill me

Ouch, how's it going with the huge fighter's guild bonuses against you???

Well, technically, that still won't kill a Daedra. Just discorporate it and return it to Oblivion :P

Cody

The_Death_Princess wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

I love that people are defending this like they are not OP. Playing a DK is a complete face roll and one or two anecdotes about a nightblade taking a group down doesn't change that. We are not talking about isolated incidents here but some that has been well documented and seen. This isn't even about just Reflective Scales either. They get some of the best AoE damage, bonuses to fire damage, one of the absolute best self heals and regenerations, armor buffs, etc etc. This is indisputable.

Ahyup.

L2P is stoopid too. Im in one of the top guilds and we ALL complain about DK's. IMO its reflective scales. We all KH2P. The described method of L2P will make your toon even more gimped in comparison to other classes. It equals to I am immune to you, and at the same time gonna control you with yours then control you with mine.

ZOS THATS DUMB! Flat take it out. It is also a MAJOR contributor to lag/animation bugs. Nearly every single time a reflect happens on me, it bugs. The code even knows its shouldnt be doing it.

Hell, when was the last time you saw a none DK solo a resource in under 3 minutes. (We see it all the time because as KH2P we know diversions).

anyone that says DKs are not OP is either lying, trolling, or has not played very much PvP.

though it is good fun hitting them with sparks and watching all of their flame whips miss. course, talons willl still get me:/

Spangla

The_Death_Princess wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

I love that people are defending this like they are not OP. Playing a DK is a complete face roll and one or two anecdotes about a nightblade taking a group down doesn't change that. We are not talking about isolated incidents here but some that has been well documented and seen. This isn't even about just Reflective Scales either. They get some of the best AoE damage, bonuses to fire damage, one of the absolute best self heals and regenerations, armor buffs, etc etc. This is indisputable.

Ahyup.

L2P is stoopid too. Im in one of the top guilds and we ALL complain about DK's. IMO its reflective scales. We all KH2P. The described method of L2P will make your toon even more gimped in comparison to other classes. It equals to I am immune to you, and at the same time gonna control you with yours then control you with mine.

ZOS THATS DUMB! Flat take it out. It is also a MAJOR contributor to lag/animation bugs. Nearly every single time a reflect happens on me, it bugs. The code even knows its shouldnt be doing it.

Hell, when was the last time you saw a none DK solo a resource in under 3 minutes. (We see it all the time because as KH2P we know diversions).

Sorry to pee on your parade but I can solo a resource in under 3 minutes as a NB.

However DK's are still op. An average DK 1 v 1 is tough, an average NB/Temp/Sorc is noticeably easier to kill. This is fact Zeni has head in sand over this and has had for a long time.

Spangla

Armitas wrote: »

There is a video of a NB taking down a DK, Current Emperor, Vampire in a 1v1. So while it may take 5 people in certain groups, other people can do it with one person.

The dk in video has the emp title because he left the campaign as emp before he was dethroned. He however is not an emp....

CapuchinSeven

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

xMovingTarget wrote: »

Three letters,

L2P

There you go.

how is it L2P when it constantly takes a zerg group to take down 1 DK?

I'm a Nightblade, I kill DKs.

Thechemicals

Have you ever lived to see what happens when a shield blocking Dk is spent from using laval whip and talons? Its actually pretty sad lol.

Orchish

So much ignorance. People moaning about DKs holding off a bunch of players before going down when the exact same thing is done by Templars and Nightblades.

I used to laugh at the idea of Nightblades being tanks then i started seeing some of the better players in PvP tanking just as much as a DK could. Ofcourse it takes more skill and there is little to no room for mistakes compared to a DK, but don't kid your selves. Templars and Nightblades are just as tanky when they want to be.

I am sure Sorcs can be too, although from personal experience i find this class the easiest to take down. Although that depends on the players right?

Loneshard

Orchish wrote: »

I am sure Sorcs can be too, although from personal experience i find this class the easiest to take down.

The weakest class.
I have not seen a sorc doing that

Pyatra

Orchish wrote: »

So much ignorance. People moaning about DKs holding off a bunch of players before going down when the exact same thing is done by Templars and Nightblades.

I used to laugh at the idea of Nightblades being tanks then i started seeing some of the better players in PvP tanking just as much as a DK could. Ofcourse it takes more skill and there is little to no room for mistakes compared to a DK, but don't kid your selves. Templars and Nightblades are just as tanky when they want to be.

I am sure Sorcs can be too, although from personal experience i find this class the easiest to take down. Although that depends on the players right?

Sorcs can use shield stacking/spamming but ultimately I think that will probably be fixed sometime as there have been threads complaining about shield stacking from Templars as well. They use BE but with the range on snipe and friends, 2-3 bolts away and you will still get 2-3 snipes to the back of the head.

Survivability is limited in PvP, the only class heal is circumvented, being based on crits. Crit Surge only works if you can keep the crits coming. If in PvP you are only getting on average 15% then that means absolutely nothing as the leech spell from Mages guild would return more health.

Sorcs could use a little love in PVE but Crit Surge makes it awesome anywhere but PvP, then class deficiencies start really showing themselves.

Loneshard

Pyatra wrote: »

Orchish wrote: »

So much ignorance. People moaning about DKs holding off a bunch of players before going down when the exact same thing is done by Templars and Nightblades.

I used to laugh at the idea of Nightblades being tanks then i started seeing some of the better players in PvP tanking just as much as a DK could. Ofcourse it takes more skill and there is little to no room for mistakes compared to a DK, but don't kid your selves. Templars and Nightblades are just as tanky when they want to be.

I am sure Sorcs can be too, although from personal experience i find this class the easiest to take down. Although that depends on the players right?

Sorcs can use shield stacking/spamming but ultimately I think that will probably be fixed sometime as there have been threads complaining about shield stacking from Templars as well.

It is already fixed

Armitas

Spangla wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

There is a video of a NB taking down a DK, Current Emperor, Vampire in a 1v1. So while it may take 5 people in certain groups, other people can do it with one person.

The dk in video has the emp title because he left the campaign as emp before he was dethroned. He however is not an emp....

He has 4725 health. Are you certain he was not the emp at the time of the 1v1?

Pyatra

Loneshard wrote: »

Pyatra wrote: »

Orchish wrote: »

So much ignorance. People moaning about DKs holding off a bunch of players before going down when the exact same thing is done by Templars and Nightblades.

I used to laugh at the idea of Nightblades being tanks then i started seeing some of the better players in PvP tanking just as much as a DK could. Ofcourse it takes more skill and there is little to no room for mistakes compared to a DK, but don't kid your selves. Templars and Nightblades are just as tanky when they want to be.

I am sure Sorcs can be too, although from personal experience i find this class the easiest to take down. Although that depends on the players right?

Sorcs can use shield stacking/spamming but ultimately I think that will probably be fixed sometime as there have been threads complaining about shield stacking from Templars as well.

It is already fixed

Well then... Sorcs have.... um..... a DK alt?

deepseamk20b14_ESO

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

What do nightblades get? a broken sneak function? Where damage was recently nerfed. A bow mechanic that relies on exploiting animation to do any real damage? Siphoning skills that tickle their opponent due to lackluster damage over time? Burst ability that doesn't do crap because everyone is running around with 3k+HP and impenetrable in PvP?

What do Sorcs get? Bolt escape?

Templars? Don't make me laugh...

Broken sneak? i'll give that to you for sure. Damage recently nerfed? Not really, that nerf affects all classes attacking from sneak or stealth I thought? Either way my ambush still hits for between 340 and 400, surprise attack hits between 560 and 600, soul harvest between 850 and 1000, and impale for 750 to 1000, execute phase of course. This is more than enough to kill anyone. Funnel health still hits for 350-450 for me and as long as it is not blocked I get a HoT of 115 + crits a second. Not nearly as good of a self heal as the other classes but I wouldn't call it a skill that "tickles" anyone. I constantly destroy people with this, especially when I have high ground or help to focus a target down. Pop a spell power/spell crit before open up with crippling grasp then spam funnel health. Many people are too dumb to block in a zerg and you can simply mow people down like that. Crippling grasp is however, broken IMO. I am pretty sure more than 75% of the time i do not get a speed boost from using it (assuming the person did not block and did not reflect the spell). I also don't run a crit build and still can steam roll people in one rotation from sneak that have less than 3200 health (above 3K i will use a spell power pot though just in case). I'm not trying to be a ***, I am just pointing out my experiences so far and it's not as bad as a lot of people tend to say. Try changing your gear around a bit. No doubt some NB skills are broken but the class still can wreak havoc for sure. Don't fear DK's either. They literally use one build and one rotation which makes them extremely predictable. Mass hyteria and shadow image are your friends for this one.

michaelb14a_ESO2

Can any DK here that doesn't believe their class is at all OP, please tell me, what WOULD YOU CONSIDER OP?

Please, give me a theoretical in game example of something you think would make a class OP?

Thechemicals

michaelb14a_ESO2 wrote: »

Can any DK here that doesn't believe their class is at all OP, please tell me, what WOULD YOU CONSIDER OP?

Please, give me a theoretical in game example of something you think would make a class OP?

Anything that requires excessive resources to combat and/or cannot be countered with standard abilities and skills. Anything that cannot be countered at all or requires specific and well groomed gear/skills.

I find shield blocking spam clipped with block-attacking-lava-whip to be overpowered. It requires too much stamina resource, and defensive skills, and manuevers, to sustain a fight against a DK using this style of play.

I find shadow cloak to be overpowered when coupled with certain gear pieces as well, because a player can attack you and fail and escape without possibility of a counter within one meter of you. I have crit rushed shadow cloakers and theyyve disapeared at the location of impact. The counter is costly; using magelight which has to be applied to both loadouts for practicality and often having to build skills around magelight for things to make sense, beyond having it on just for NB's

I find batswarm to be overpowered because its invisibility morph is not countered by magelight for revealing and single target based attacking the *** vampire.

michaelb14a_ESO2

Thechemicals wrote: »

michaelb14a_ESO2 wrote: »

Can any DK here that doesn't believe their class is at all OP, please tell me, what WOULD YOU CONSIDER OP?

Please, give me a theoretical in game example of something you think would make a class OP?

Anything that requires excessive resources to combat and/or cannot be countered with standard abilities and skills. Anything that cannot be countered at all or requires specific and well groomed gear/skills.

I find shield blocking spam clipped with block-attacking-lava-whip to be overpowered. It requires too much stamina resource, and defensive skills, and manuevers, to sustain a fight against a DK using this style of play.

I find shadow cloak to be overpowered when coupled with certain gear pieces as well, because a player can attack you and fail and escape without possibility of a counter within one meter of you. I have crit rushed shadow cloakers and theyyve disapeared at the location of impact. The counter is costly; using magelight which has to be applied to both loadouts for practicality and often having to build skills around magelight for things to make sense, beyond having it on just for NB's

I find batswarm to be overpowered because its invisibility morph is not countered by magelight for revealing and single target based attacking the *** vampire.

Ok fair enough, let's use that as a litmus. So then is it safe to say that each class has access to at least 1 class specific OP/game unbalancing abilities/combos/tactic using the above definition of OP?

If the answer is "yes" to the above, then to determine if any one class is OP over the others it just comes down to which class has the most. The larger the gap the more OP the class is in comparison to others.

Using your definition, can we agree that DK's by an overwhelming margin have access to the most class specific OP tactics/abilities available to them? Therefore making them the most OP and game unbalancing class in the game?

Bipolo

Just to be fair...

I have seen Sorc builds that clearly challenge any DK
I have seen Templar builds that could out heal, out tank and out last any DK
I have even seen NB's having no trouble controlling the whole fight and taking down a DK

and last
but not least
I have seen DK's wait for the right moment, yell SURPRISE and wipe groups...

You know what they all have in common?
The people playing these characters are not average, they are some of the top PvPers in-game.

The time has come to face the reality of every game: there will always be someone better then you and me. They might have more time to play, they might know or have something we don't, etc, etc...

Never the less, these players would be doing great playing any class over an extended period of time be it Sorcerer, Templar, Nightblade or Dragonknight.

Don't panic!


Updated earlier post

Loneshard

Bipolo wrote: »

Just to be fair...

I have seen Sorc builds that clearly challenge any DK

But this must be a long time ago
The good old days..

Sharee

Thechemicals wrote: »

I find shadow cloak to be overpowered when coupled with certain gear pieces as well, because a player can attack you and fail and escape without possibility of a counter within one meter of you. I have crit rushed shadow cloakers and theyyve disapeared at the location of impact. The counter is costly; using magelight which has to be applied to both loadouts for practicality and often having to build skills around magelight for things to make sense, beyond having it on just for NB's

You could use a detection potion.

CapuchinSeven

Bipolo wrote: »

Just to be fair...

I have even seen NB's having no trouble controlling the whole fight and taking down a DK

Just to be fair...

The change to Cripple, it's now reflected by Scales, makes this harder to do.

Because, you know; DKs where having such a hard time.

Thechemicals wrote: »

I find shadow cloak to be overpowered when coupled with certain gear pieces as well, because a player can attack you and fail and escape without possibility of a counter within one meter of you. I have crit rushed shadow cloakers and theyyve disapeared at the location of impact. The counter is costly; using magelight which has to be applied to both loadouts for practicality and often having to build skills around magelight for things to make sense, beyond having it on just for NB's.

OOOOR, pop a cheaper than chips detection potion and render NBs class ability totally and utterly pointless?

Pyatra

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

Bipolo wrote: »

Just to be fair...

I have even seen NB's having no trouble controlling the whole fight and taking down a DK

Just to be fair...

The change to Cripple, it's now reflected by Scales, makes this harder to do.

Because, you know; DKs where having such a hard time.

Thechemicals wrote: »

I find shadow cloak to be overpowered when coupled with certain gear pieces as well, because a player can attack you and fail and escape without possibility of a counter within one meter of you. I have crit rushed shadow cloakers and theyyve disapeared at the location of impact. The counter is costly; using magelight which has to be applied to both loadouts for practicality and often having to build skills around magelight for things to make sense, beyond having it on just for NB's.

OOOOR, pop a cheaper than chips detection potion and render NBs class ability totally and utterly pointless?

I'm sure Cripple deserved to be reflectable just as the exploding pet is a.... reflectable... projectile... huh. Maybe if it was fired out of a ballista.

Thechemicals

Sharee wrote: »

Thechemicals wrote: »

I find shadow cloak to be overpowered when coupled with certain gear pieces as well, because a player can attack you and fail and escape without possibility of a counter within one meter of you. I have crit rushed shadow cloakers and theyyve disapeared at the location of impact. The counter is costly; using magelight which has to be applied to both loadouts for practicality and often having to build skills around magelight for things to make sense, beyond having it on just for NB's

You could use a detection potion.

Drank a tri-pot to survive the initial 3k gank attack. otherwise....execute execute execute.