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Silver Shard. Vampire Petition
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Rylana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I honestly dont see how making it some petty measure of "revenge" against a month dead meta mechanic is somehow constructive.
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timidobserver✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I have to say that I am pretty amazed that this hasn't been fixed yet. It seems like it should take less than an hour to adjust the damage an ability is doing.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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Halrloprillalar✭✭✭✭✭StihlReign wrote: »ElectricBlue97 wrote: »StihlReign wrote: »Vampires should be one shotted by high level Fighter's Guild players.
In a World that makes sense, Vampires and Werewolves should be hunted and killed by the Fighters Guild.
Selecting Vampire or Werewolf should deny you the ability to level the Fighter's Guild skill lines, characters shouldn't be allowed to pick both.
The insta kills are fair...think how some poor soul feels when a vampire sneaks up on him and feeds, or a werewolf jumps on them and feeds.
Van Helsing to the rescue. Leave it how it is. Finally there's balance somewhere.
By your logic vampires and werewolfs should be able to jump up behind you in game, rip your still beating heart out of you chest and feed on it. Insta skills are not "fair" by your logic the original batswarm was fair.
Mmm...Clearly you're not paying attention.
Go back. Read what I wrote. No part of what you've written employs logic.
Let's Examine this logically.
Vampires and Werewolves should NOT have access to the Fighter's Guild skill line.
The Fighter's Guild is designed to kill the undead.
The undead feasted royally upon the population of Cyrodiil. For weeks.
Balance is that members of the Fighters Guild can now bring that population into some semblance of order.
I was one of the earliest players in the game to begin using Evil Hunter and Silver leash to hunt and kill vampires and still believe a player should be able to one shot, crit from stealth, kill Vampires. Often. Without mercy.
They have their choice. Both sets of passives. Added buffs. And ours. It's never been balanced...until now.
nonsense. it was balanced after they nerfed the stages cost reduction and stuff"nerf rock, paper is fine" - scissors
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Halrloprillalar✭✭✭✭✭yelloweyedemon wrote: »
sounds like you have an RP problem"nerf rock, paper is fine" - scissors
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ThyIronFist✭✭✭✭✭I have had good fun today 1-shotting many vampires with 2.8k crits.
Payback for the month-long batswarming that ruined PvP.The Elder Zergs Online
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yelloweyedemon✭✭✭Halrloprillalar wrote: »yelloweyedemon wrote: »
sounds like you have an RP problem
All I care is that vamps have an access to a NB stealth movement speed which is just wrong.ThyIronFist wrote: »I have had good fun today 1-shotting many vampires with 2.8k crits.
Payback for the month-long batswarming that ruined PvP.
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Omnevolus✭✭✭StihlReign wrote: »ElectricBlue97 wrote: »StihlReign wrote: »Vampires should be one shotted by high level Fighter's Guild players.
In a World that makes sense, Vampires and Werewolves should be hunted and killed by the Fighters Guild.
Selecting Vampire or Werewolf should deny you the ability to level the Fighter's Guild skill lines, characters shouldn't be allowed to pick both.
The insta kills are fair...think how some poor soul feels when a vampire sneaks up on him and feeds, or a werewolf jumps on them and feeds.
Van Helsing to the rescue. Leave it how it is. Finally there's balance somewhere.
By your logic vampires and werewolfs should be able to jump up behind you in game, rip your still beating heart out of you chest and feed on it. Insta skills are not "fair" by your logic the original batswarm was fair.
Mmm...Clearly you're not paying attention.
Go back. Read what I wrote. No part of what you've written employs logic.
Let's Examine this logically.
Vampires and Werewolves should NOT have access to the Fighter's Guild skill line.
The Fighter's Guild is designed to kill the undead.
The undead feasted royally upon the population of Cyrodiil. For weeks.
Balance is that members of the Fighters Guild can now bring that population into some semblance of order.
I was one of the earliest players in the game to begin using Evil Hunter and Silver leash to hunt and kill vampires and still believe a player should be able to one shot, crit from stealth, kill Vampires. Often. Without mercy.
They have their choice. Both sets of passives. Added buffs. And ours. It's never been balanced...until now.
Lol! Haha, these guys are crackin' me up!
You're both right (while we're arguing in hypothetical high-fantasy). Vamps should have cool powers that make them blink around and murdalize you without effort, waking or sleeping. Or otherwise caught slippin'.
And since every single player in the game is(/will be) technically one of the baddest mamma-jammas to ever walk on Tamriel, they should also have the option of specializing in efficiently laying the proverbial smack-down on a vamp here and there.
But this:
"The undead feasted royally upon the population of Cyrodiil. For weeks.
Balance is that members of the Fighters Guild can now bring that population into some semblance of order.
I was one of the earliest players in the game to begin using Evil Hunter and Silver leash to hunt and kill vampires and still believe a player should be able to one shot, crit from stealth, kill Vampires. Often. Without mercy.
They have their choice. Both sets of passives. Added buffs. And ours. It's never been balanced...until now."
Yes! I like the way you think, man lol. You win!
As for the rest of the thread...I see 90% dizzying generalizations and perplexing over-simplifications (such as: it's so simple, it's very complex, this would be so much easier/harder than this/that). With no apparent (at least that I could discern) grasp of the huge scope of factors involved in such decisions. With not an expert professional in the field among us (with the possible exceptions of Zenimax employees, competitor-plants, and maybe a gold farmer/botter/hacker or two). With maybe .002 percent of us having ever worked or may currently work on the fringes of the MMO development field.
But everyone's an expert.
An expert at tantrum-throwing. Which anyone who stumbles across these worn, torn, crocodile tear-stained forum pages can plainly see.
Who wants to be pissed off all the time? Find that silver lining and go back to playing the game. Then when something happens again that pisses you off, report it, /bug it, hell even /help (?) it, then log-in/make an alt, or otherwise do something else to be freakin' happy and distract you from becoming irrational and/or angry, as most, um, more...well, reasonable people do.Edited by Omnevolus on 27 June 2014 02:472 -
yelloweyedemon wrote: »Halrloprillalar wrote: »yelloweyedemon wrote: »
sounds like you have an RP problem
All I care is that vamps have an access to a NB stealth movement speed which is just wrong.ThyIronFist wrote: »I have had good fun today 1-shotting many vampires with 2.8k crits.
Payback for the month-long batswarming that ruined PvP.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzVFugFcUto
You guys do realise only a small portion of vampires could pull off the batswarm exploit, right ? The majority of us couldn't get the required ultimate reduction percentage to make it work even if we wanted to. I was vamp during the batswarm exploit, and I got batswarmed a hell of a lot too.
By your logic, should we get some sort of nerf in order for anyone high enough in the alliance war tree to have unlocked caltrops ? Payback for something that happened sometimes ago, correct ?
Frankly it sounds like you have no understanding of the vamp mechanics so you are just assuming vamp = batswarm spam. It's a shame that you base your entire opinion on an incorrect piece of information.1 -
KBKB✭✭✭✭✭
✭Kajoh_Americano wrote: »yelloweyedemon wrote: »Halrloprillalar wrote: »yelloweyedemon wrote: »
sounds like you have an RP problem
All I care is that vamps have an access to a NB stealth movement speed which is just wrong.ThyIronFist wrote: »I have had good fun today 1-shotting many vampires with 2.8k crits.
Payback for the month-long batswarming that ruined PvP.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzVFugFcUto
You guys do realise only a small portion of vampires could pull off the batswarm exploit, right ? The majority of us couldn't get the required ultimate reduction percentage to make it work even if we wanted to. I was vamp during the batswarm exploit, and I got batswarmed a hell of a lot too.
By your logic, should we get some sort of nerf in order for anyone high enough in the alliance war tree to have unlocked caltrops ? Payback for something that happened sometimes ago, correct ?
Frankly it sounds like you have no understanding of the vamp mechanics so you are just assuming vamp = batswarm spam. It's a shame that you base your entire opinion on an incorrect piece of information.
Good lord, we know not all vamps did it, but a hella of a lot did do it. Vamp bugs lasted for roughly 3 weeks this bug has been live for less than 72 hours and you all Q.Q a storm making demands and abusing CS reps or anyone who is having a good old lol @ your situation. *** happens especially in MMOs a glass of cement would serve all of you well because you like a mac user seem to lack the ability to
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Here is what a lot of non vamps are seeing:
"waaaaaahhhhhhh we were OP thanks to bugs for the start of every campaign waaaaaaahhhhhhh now we are on the receiving end of a bug for less than 72 hours waaaaaaahhhhhh zenimax said they will fix it BUT DATS KNOT GUD ENUGH NOW waaaahhhhh unsub this unfair that waaaaaaahhhhhh I know I can spec out and respec later or just not enter PvP but waaaaaaaaahhhhhhh I know werewolves have been borderline broken since release waaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh but I want special treatment NAO waaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh "
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]Edited by ZOS_SandraS on 28 June 2014 08:295 -
KBKB✭✭✭✭✭
✭This is my favourite thread ever btw I wish I had more vials so I could save all these vamp tears and smell them every time I feel down.3 -
Samadhi✭✭✭✭✭
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Wow, even with it proccing 100% of the time it still took two players to take you down."If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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Black-Bird wrote: »Kajoh_Americano wrote: »yelloweyedemon wrote: »Halrloprillalar wrote: »yelloweyedemon wrote: »
sounds like you have an RP problem
All I care is that vamps have an access to a NB stealth movement speed which is just wrong.ThyIronFist wrote: »I have had good fun today 1-shotting many vampires with 2.8k crits.
Payback for the month-long batswarming that ruined PvP.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzVFugFcUto
You guys do realise only a small portion of vampires could pull off the batswarm exploit, right ? The majority of us couldn't get the required ultimate reduction percentage to make it work even if we wanted to. I was vamp during the batswarm exploit, and I got batswarmed a hell of a lot too.
By your logic, should we get some sort of nerf in order for anyone high enough in the alliance war tree to have unlocked caltrops ? Payback for something that happened sometimes ago, correct ?
Frankly it sounds like you have no understanding of the vamp mechanics so you are just assuming vamp = batswarm spam. It's a shame that you base your entire opinion on an incorrect piece of information.
Good lord, we know not all vamps did it, but a hella of a lot did do it. Vamp bugs lasted for roughly 3 weeks this bug has been live for less than 72 hours and you all Q.Q a storm making demands and abusing CS reps or anyone who is having a good old lol @ your situation. *** happens especially in MMOs a glass of cement would serve all of you well because you like a mac user seem to lack the ability to STFU.
Who is abusing CS or making demands ? Certainly not me so please just take a step back, and relax.This is the ESO support forum, and I'm sharing my opinion of given issues just like everyone else here.
If another poster posts erroneous facts about a past imbalance, and shifts the blame on a whole bunch of innocent players, then there's nothing wrong with pointing out the fallacies in their argument. Of course silver shard will get fixed, any ability that has the potential to one shot players is going to get investigated.
What's sad about the situation though is that even guildies of mine that aren't vampires get regularly spammed with silver shards, not because they are vampires, but because the players spamming it are looking for easy kills. It is quite hilarious to use though, I get that
And yes a lot of vamps did the batswarm exploit, but they were still a heavy minority. You had to have stage 4 vamp -60%, dragonsguard set -20%, sorc passive -15%, seducers set -3% to get the 98% reduction in order to constantly in swarm form during combat. And then only those that had the former emperor buffs could get their vampire ultimate cost down to 0 in order to spam it really non stop, whether engaged in combat or not. Then don't forget that the vampire ability cost reduction was broken (and still is) at the time, meaning you lost the reduction upon death/relog or changing zone...meaning you had to wait then feed all over again to re-enable it. Which would take hours.
I'm not arguing with those saying it will be fixed when it gets fixed, I'm arguing with those saying it should be normal to crit vamps for 2-3k by pressing one button. Nothing wrong with that.
PS. what's with the mac user aggressiveness by the way ?
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KBKB✭✭✭✭✭
✭Check the earlier pages in the thread CS posted and everyone got cut at them. Oh ever asked a mac user why they like mac better than windows? its more intense than the battle for helms deep. If I suspect a mac user asking me a question about my OS I tell them I use Linux.
I wasn't having a go at you I'm here for three reasons:
I cbf playing Cyrodiil with the FPS bug around which is about 100x more important than this one, Vamp tears are tasty and to try and derail this silly petition thread.Edited by KBKB on 27 June 2014 03:292 -
timidobserver✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭So, Silver Bolts oneshots every single shot. What does this tell us? It tells us that it wasn't tested at all after the change was made. If they had bothered to go and fire a single shot to test the change, just one, they would have noticed the issue.
I can understand the lag and the fps thing. You need to load an AvA Campaign up with people to test that. However, to test whether silver shards is oneshotting on every shot should have taken 2 minutes.Edited by timidobserver on 27 June 2014 03:31V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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KBKB✭✭✭✭✭
✭Posted this in the CS vamp thread but I can't resist posting it here also,
I used to be a Vampire like you, then I took a Silver shard to the knee.1 -
Black-Bird wrote: »Check the earlier pages in the thread CS posted and everyone got cut at them. Oh ever asked a mac user why they like mac better than windows? its more intense than the battle for helms deep. If I suspect a mac user asking me a question about my OS I tell them I use Linux.
I wasn't having a go at you I'm here for three reasons:
I cbf playing Cyrodiil with the FPS bug around which is about 100x more important than this one, Vamp tears are tasty and to try and derail this silly petition thread.
Well, whatever floats your boat mate. Enjoy your forum shenanigans.
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LrdRahvin✭✭✭✭✭Perphection wrote: »Why can't Zenimax release hotfixes like any other modern game?
tinypic.com/r/mr5wsh/8
Oh, I totally forgot they fixed the Stain Glass windows though. Everyone was so concerned about that...joke developers..joke company.
You forgot about them adding all those "junk" weapons and armor that players can now pick up and do absolutely nothing with. They really stemmed the tide of the majority of their playerbase quitting because there wasn't enough useless clutter in the game.
So you should thank the devs for their great generosity for increasing your immersion and try to forget that pvp is nearly completely unplayable.
Hrmph...some people...ingrates
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AllPlayAndNoWork✭✭✭✭✭Its actually its been a lot of fun in PvP with it broken.. I get one/two shotted , they get one/two shotted........ It makes for a lottery of fun.3 -
Morticielle✭✭✭
This shows, what a poor sucker you are: NO ABILITY EVER SHOULD BE ABLE TO ONESHOT ANYBODY. And btw: Neither werewolves nor vampires can oneshot enemies with their abilities.StihlReign wrote: »The insta kills are fair...think how some poor soul feels when a vampire sneaks up on him and feeds, or a werewolf jumps on them and feeds.
And what you did not understand: The discussion is not about being oneshotted, it is about how often Silver Bolts "banish" an enemy. It has at the moment a chance of 50%, not the 5% it should be. Yesterday I did a little statistical analysis. I counted how often I was hit by Silver Bolts or its morphs. I counted 24 hits, 12 of them were those "banish" procs. This is 50% chance. I used Silver Shards (morph of Silver Bolts) 28 times on other vampires with 13 procs, which is 46%.
I guess somebody messed up the code and deleted accidentally a "0", so the factor .05 (= 5%) became .5 (= 50%).Lady Morticielle d'Aragòn |VR12| Sorcerer | PvP Rank 21 (Major Grade I) | EU-Megaserver | AD
Subscription cancelled due to the following facts:
- Zenimax implements more bugs from patch to patch
- Zenimax does not care about the increasing instability of the game. People have more and more crashes Fix of memory bug decreased number of crashes considerably
- Zenimax has still not fully fixed the fps drops they (!) implemented with patch1.2.3
- Zenimax does nothing to fix the massive ability lags in PvP
- Zenimax gives more attention to unnecassary 'content' like dyes for armors than fixing issues
- In patchnotes Zenimax lies about bugs allegedly fixed
- Zenimax has no plan as to how balance population in Cyrodiil campaigns
- Support is ineffective and does not even speak in a way one can linguistically understand4 -
ferzalrwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Again we see, along with the other exploit threads, by the amount of people "loving" this how many people simply love to cheat in PvP. I just love the ESO community. Pack of sploiters.
Is running around spamming shards really that fun? Especially when you're not hitting vamps. The people playing this game, more than ZOS, keep me out of PvP. It happened with the Caltrops bug and now, terrain and shard sploiters... well.. fps of 7 might not be helping. :P3 -
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✭Not going to lie, i am absolutely loving using SB on vamps who like to pour oil in DC spawn area on Auriel's Bow EU. Seeing a player charge at you only to disintegrate with a single press of a button is quite satisfying. That said, as a pathetically weak Werewolf, i am now simply cannon fodder even in Orc form. I really need to get that crap cured since it seems like WW will never get fixed.1 -
Siluen✭✭✭✭StihlReign wrote: »Vampires should be one shotted by high level Fighter's Guild players.
In a World that makes sense, Vampires and Werewolves should be hunted and killed by the Fighters Guild.
Selecting Vampire or Werewolf should deny you the ability to level the Fighter's Guild skill lines, characters shouldn't be allowed to pick both.
The insta kills are fair...think how some poor soul feels when a vampire sneaks up on him and feeds, or a werewolf jumps on them and feeds.
Van Helsing to the rescue. Leave it how it is. Finally there's balance somewhere.
Balance? Alrighty. When are they patching my feed ability to instantly kill you as well? ^^
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Which isn't activated on PTS, players have to go through the entire vamp hunt to get it....timidobserver wrote: »You need to load an AvA Campaign up with people to test that.0 -
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✭✭✭Morticielle wrote: »...it is about how often Silver Bolts "banish" an enemy. It has at the moment a chance of 50%, not the 5% it should be. Yesterday I did a little statistical analysis. I counted how often I was hit by Silver Bolts or its morphs. I counted 24 hits, 12 of them were those "banish" procs. This is 50% chance. I used Silver Shards (morph of Silver Bolts) 28 times on other vampires with 13 procs, which is 46%.
I guess somebody messed up the code and deleted accidentally a "0", so the factor .05 (= 5%) became .5 (= 50%).
So what you're saying is
Zenimax is going to fix the issue
by changing the tooltip to read 50%
"If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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Jaxom✭✭✭✭Morticielle wrote: »...it is about how often Silver Bolts "banish" an enemy. It has at the moment a chance of 50%, not the 5% it should be. Yesterday I did a little statistical analysis. I counted how often I was hit by Silver Bolts or its morphs. I counted 24 hits, 12 of them were those "banish" procs. This is 50% chance. I used Silver Shards (morph of Silver Bolts) 28 times on other vampires with 13 procs, which is 46%.
I guess somebody messed up the code and deleted accidentally a "0", so the factor .05 (= 5%) became .5 (= 50%).
So what you're saying is
Zenimax is going to fix the issue
by changing the tooltip to read 50%
Clearly (See Leeching Strikes). As the old coding mantra goes:
sung in the style of 99 Bottles of Beer
99 bugged lines in the code
99 bugged lines
Take one down, patch it around
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yelloweyedemon✭✭✭Kajoh_Americano wrote: »yelloweyedemon wrote: »Halrloprillalar wrote: »yelloweyedemon wrote: »
sounds like you have an RP problem
All I care is that vamps have an access to a NB stealth movement speed which is just wrong.ThyIronFist wrote: »I have had good fun today 1-shotting many vampires with 2.8k crits.
Payback for the month-long batswarming that ruined PvP.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzVFugFcUto
You guys do realise only a small portion of vampires could pull off the batswarm exploit, right ? The majority of us couldn't get the required ultimate reduction percentage to make it work even if we wanted to. I was vamp during the batswarm exploit, and I got batswarmed a hell of a lot too.
By your logic, should we get some sort of nerf in order for anyone high enough in the alliance war tree to have unlocked caltrops ? Payback for something that happened sometimes ago, correct ?
Frankly it sounds like you have no understanding of the vamp mechanics so you are just assuming vamp = batswarm spam. It's a shame that you base your entire opinion on an incorrect piece of information.
You're missing the point.. I have nothing against the ulti exploit. I just hate vamps that's all.
PS: Do you guys cry normal tears or is it blood like in True Blood?4
