Chain Pull Enemy Faction on Keep Walls

Limitless

Whoever thinks that this is how the developers intended chains to be used, and use the "Oh they left it in they must be okay with it" excuse and delude themselves that they are not ruining the spirit and idea, and principle behind PvP..

I leave you this.

willdmac_ESO

Because of this and many other issues in ESO people are quitting and it wont be long till the people who are exploiting stop playing too. you may say that oh well im the best so ill play all the time to show people. but time after time it has shown that the easier it is to do difficult things in a mmo the more that those "expert" players will leave the game in search for a new challenge. Zenimax is not only losing money from the people who are tired of the exploiting and cheating of the other players but those cheaters will leave as well when they have nothing else to do in the game. Emperor was made to be difficult to get and now it has been sullied to the point of no existance. remember the first month when being a vampire or a werewolf was rare? look at the game now either everyone is a vampire or werewolf or someone just got it prayed away. These issues with the game are going to flush it down the toilet to the point where there is no reason to play the game and free to play isnt even an option. congrats zenimax you ruined elder scrolls for me.

Ifthir_ESO

Armitas wrote: »

Given the chance to be anything by what reason do people choose to become the worst?

Because online you can be the worst with very few consequences. This is not the same as in real life and therefore it is a chance to do it without repercussions.

pad11

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Given the chance to be anything by what reason do people choose to become the worst?

Because online you can be the worst with very few consequences. This is not the same as in real life and therefore it is a chance to do it without repercussions.

But that's a canard and patently untrue...the repercussions are there, albeit solely in how they effect other online gamers...but to say that the Farmiance Guild's actions are having no repercussions is simply not the case...

Obscure

Retorted this months ago in the PTS.

They added scroll gate guards to help prevent this from happening concerning capping scrolls. Enemy players got pulled over to take it off the shrine, then died to drop it, let the owning team pick it back up and just run it all the way back for them since either no one would stop them or no one could stop them; can't kill allies even if they are helping the enemy cap your scroll. They ignored the problem of being able to vertically pull enemy players over obstructions they were not intended to bypass, as if it were an isolated situation no one would use on a large scale...

Just a matter of time until you see a zerg of level 10 DK's counting against your alliance population cap, rushing into a keep you're trying to defend, and just chain pulling the attackers inside it.

Either its working as intended or ZOS has no idea what they're doing.

I said it in PTS and I'll say it again:

Victory in Cyrodiil in its current state is not skill, gear, or numbers based. It's based purely on who are the better exploiters.

bigzz03

Also, another point, you guys seem very strict on what should and shouldn't happen in PvP. At no point through the weekend did I ever tell anyone else how to play in pvp. You all suggest that every time I see a DC and EP player that I MUST engage in combat "because that's how it's supposed to be". This is telling us how to play pvp. Maybe we made friends with people in other alliances and want to hang out and fight each other, maybe we want to help them get more AP, or maybe we want to help them get emp title. The mechanics are there to allow it.

Yes per that one comment, it SEEMS like ZoS has other intentions for things that were implemented. you want me to come out and say we "cheated" or "exploited" something in the game? I will not, because we did not. IF and only IF ZoS adjusts the vertical on chain pull will I admit that in fact ZoS did not intend to have it used in that manner, and will apologize for using it as such.

I would also like to point out 1 other thing to you guys. Did you happen to see in the last patch notes where they fixed an issue where if you had the scroll and typed /stuck you could take the scroll to your wayshrine? Well there were not very many people that knew about that, and i was one of the first ones to witness it happen, and guess what? I reported it. So to you people who think I don't care about other people nor this game can get lost.

SwampRaider

willdmac_ESO wrote: »

Because of this and many other issues in ESO people are quitting and it wont be long till the people who are exploiting stop playing too. you may say that oh well im the best so ill play all the time to show people. but time after time it has shown that the easier it is to do difficult things in a mmo the more that those "expert" players will leave the game in search for a new challenge. Zenimax is not only losing money from the people who are tired of the exploiting and cheating of the other players but those cheaters will leave as well when they have nothing else to do in the game. Emperor was made to be difficult to get and now it has been sullied to the point of no existance. remember the first month when being a vampire or a werewolf was rare? look at the game now either everyone is a vampire or werewolf or someone just got it prayed away. These issues with the game are going to flush it down the toilet to the point where there is no reason to play the game and free to play isnt even an option. congrats zenimax you ruined elder scrolls for me.

OKAY ...seriously.


This is about the HUMAN condition. Devs cannot control the brains of humans controlling digital characters. If people want to help people cap keeps by chainpulling them up on walls, I guarantee that there are twice as many people that can stop them from doing so.

It only takes 1- 2 people to screw up the plans of traitors.

Example: I took pitty on AD on my server since they never can take anything by themselves, so they enlisted EP to help them. I agreed to not attack them, but 2 DC players ruined the whole thing by interfering. AD did not take that keep.

Basically, There is nothing wrong with the chain pull, use your damn brain and learn how to counter cross faction spies and friendships.

Dleatherus

@bigzz03‌

to sum up your above post:

things that are against the spirit of the game that work in your favor are fine for you to use

things that are against the spirit of the game but work against you (like an enemy using the /stuck-scroll) are not fine for others to use

we got it - ty for explaining your position

btw - if they didn't want him to use /stuck whilst carrying the scroll why did they leave it in the game, why didn't they ban him? - that argument sound familiar at all?

just because something could be used doesn't mean it was right to use - as you yourself so nicely point out with the /stuck-scroll example

- thankfully it was an easy fix - the abuses you were involved with will take a while longer to remedy is all

D.

p.s. "IF and only IF ZoS adjusts the vertical on chain pull will I admit that in fact ZoS did not intend to have it used in that manner, and will apologize for using it as such"

- the fact that they are already actively working on addressing the issue is proof enough that it wasn't intended to be used in that manner - hopefully their 'fix' doesn't nerf DK's in some way period - 'nuff said

no apology to me needed, wanted or expected - apologize instead to the folks that got bullied and harassed out of the Celarus campaign, left in disgust, and/or quit the game

Dleatherus

@bigzz03‌

I also want to point out to you that you personally are right now taking an unfair and undue amount of the 'blame', and that my comments, though usually in response to yours, are more directed at ALL the emperor farmers involved in Celarus, and their selfish disregard of the right of others to enjoy the game

Unfortunately you were the one in the original video, chimed in, and unfairly became the poster boy for all emperor farmers, and the whipping post for all those who disagree with it

My hope and wish is that the fixes come in, the campaigns get populated, and in 3 months time we can ALL put this behind us, look back and laugh at 'remember when the game was so borked that .....?"

Sincerely

D.

bigzz03

Dleatherus wrote: »

@bigzz03‌

to sum up your above post:

things that are against the spirit of the game that work in your favor are fine for you to use

things that are against the spirit of the game but work against you (like an enemy using the /stuck-scroll) are not fine for others to use

we got it - ty for explaining your position

btw - if they didn't want him to use /stuck whilst carrying the scroll why did they leave it in the game, why didn't they ban him? - that argument sound familiar at all?

just because something could be used doesn't mean it was right to use - as you yourself so nicely point out with the /stuck-scroll example

- thankfully it was an easy fix - the abuses you were involved with will take a while longer to remedy is all

D.

p.s. "IF and only IF ZoS adjusts the vertical on chain pull will I admit that in fact ZoS did not intend to have it used in that manner, and will apologize for using it as such"

- the fact that they are already actively working on addressing the issue is proof enough that it wasn't intended to be used in that manner - hopefully their 'fix' doesn't nerf DK's in some way period - 'nuff said

no apology to me needed, wanted or expected - apologize instead to the folks that got bullied and harassed out of the Celarus campaign, left in disgust, and/or quit the game

It was Ad who did this. Some low lvl guy ninja'd the scroll so someone told him if he used the /stuck command it would take the scroll with him, so he did it and it actually worked. We laughed hard about it not knowing it would actually do it. We thought he would drop the scroll where he did /stuck. After we had our laughs about it is when i reported it happening. So no, it wasn't because someone else did it to us. it's cool if people want to assume i'm the bad guy with everything I do, but that's not how it is, and honestly don't care what people think about me.

Dleatherus wrote: »

@bigzz03‌

I also want to point out to you that you personally are right now taking an unfair and undue amount of the 'blame', and that my comments, though usually in response to yours, are more directed at ALL the emperor farmers involved in Celarus, and their selfish disregard of the right of others to enjoy the game

Unfortunately you were the one in the original video, chimed in, and unfairly became the poster boy for all emperor farmers, and the whipping post for all those who disagree with it

My hope and wish is that the fixes come in, the campaigns get populated, and in 3 months time we can ALL put this behind us, look back and laugh at 'remember when the game was so borked that .....?"

Sincerely

D.

I am aware of that. Again i don't care what people think about me, so it really doesn't phase me. I kept my thoughts and comments to myself for most the weekend and just played the game. Someone told me i was the highlight of a video so I checked it out, and wanted to give my side of the story and thoughts behind it, that's all.

Dleatherus

@bigzz03‌

it's cool if people want to assume i'm the bad guy with everything I do, but that's not how it is, and honestly don't care what people think about me.

am just curious - and this isn't in a bashing or demeaning kind of way

let's assume that the fix/nerf for the DK abuse is restricting the vertical height on chain pull, and nothing more/worse than that

would you (and i stress it wasn't just you, so not laying ALL the blame at your feet) not feel even the least bit guilty for all those DK's that have awesome fun chain pulling folks up to, or down from walls, during a siege, then whacking on them, and now have had their fun nerfed because folks wanted to abuse mechanics to get what is now a joke title and some buffs in a game?

am curious as to whether there is comprehension that what the group of emp farmers is doing doesn't just effect you guys positively in terms of your titles/buffs/gains (a good thing), or the few folks currently left struggling in the campaign (a bad thing), but can long term effect the entire community because of the resulting nerfs/losses (a bad thing)

i get that you don't care what people think of you - am good with that - do you care about what you do to others and to the game?

D.

Tintinabula

ahhh that's the price of fame Biggz..you claimed it..you smelt it..you dealt it.

FENGRUSH

Naming and faming biggz, #1 AD DK Celarus.

Ifthir_ESO

Great post @Dleatherus‌ hopefully it sheds some light on the negatives of that behavior that players may not always see easily.

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO

it would be nice if chain pull had a target system like other gap closers. I cant "charge" off the wall with 2hand sword board or templar charge, im not asking to go up the wall but if chain can pull up or down we should be able to charge from higher to lower vantage. It seems that a distance that will deal you any damage whatsoever locks out your abilities targeting line. it should be the same for chain pull, if the distance causes damage to the person pulled it is cancelled instead of ignoring the damage from distance falling.

Armitas

SwampRaider wrote: »

This is about the HUMAN condition. Devs cannot control the brains of humans controlling digital characters. If people want to help people cap keeps by chainpulling them up on walls, I guarantee that there are twice as many people that can stop them from doing so.

It only takes 1- 2 people to screw up the plans of traitors.

Example: I took pitty on AD on my server since they never can take anything by themselves, so they enlisted EP to help them. I agreed to not attack them, but 2 DC players ruined the whole thing by interfering. AD did not take that keep.

Basically, There is nothing wrong with the chain pull, use your damn brain and learn how to counter cross faction spies and friendships.

Human beings are shockingly and fearfully manipulable (Milgram experiment). The Devs may not be able to control what is inside someone but they can effect player behavior. There are forum rules that most players follow, even though many would cease to due so if the rule was removed. So the Devs do have the potential to control behavior even though they cannot control the brain itself.

The example you list is far apart from the one listed by the OP. You use it as a spring board to say "use your brain" but you don't provide any further explanation. By what reasonable method does an AD prevent another AD from pulling EP up a wall that would leave anyone convinced that this tactic should remain?

SwampRaider

Armitas wrote: »

The example you list is far apart from the one listed by the OP. You use it as a spring board to say "use your brain" but you don't provide any further explanation. By what reasonable method does an AD prevent another AD from pulling EP up a wall that would leave anyone convinced that this tactic should remain?

-Be there when it happens and knock them back down
- Call for Aid
- Use NPC's to your advantage(drag those players to them)

- Counter Oil pot strategy: Lay down 20 oils before your Traitorous buddies do it. Remove one oil at a time as you set up siege to defend.

clearly what solutions i am offering do require at least 2-5 more like minded people. I have seen 3 people hold of 20 enemies in a keep using nothing but oil pots, clever npc manipulation and meatbags

I do apologize though. I thought they fixed DK chains in beta by adding a height limit. (people where complaining about being dragged up the keep walls).

Jaxom

SwampRaider wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

The example you list is far apart from the one listed by the OP. You use it as a spring board to say "use your brain" but you don't provide any further explanation. By what reasonable method does an AD prevent another AD from pulling EP up a wall that would leave anyone convinced that this tactic should remain?

- Counter Oil pot strategy: Lay down 20 oils before your Traitorous buddies do it. Remove one oil at a time as you set up siege to defend.

This is not an acceptable solution and does not work most of the time. By the time a keep goes under attack and you get there, the damage is already done.

bigzz03

Dleatherus wrote: »

@bigzz03‌

it's cool if people want to assume i'm the bad guy with everything I do, but that's not how it is, and honestly don't care what people think about me.

am just curious - and this isn't in a bashing or demeaning kind of way

let's assume that the fix/nerf for the DK abuse is restricting the vertical height on chain pull, and nothing more/worse than that

would you (and i stress it wasn't just you, so not laying ALL the blame at your feet) not feel even the least bit guilty for all those DK's that have awesome fun chain pulling folks up to, or down from walls, during a siege, then whacking on them, and now have had their fun nerfed because folks wanted to abuse mechanics to get what is now a joke title and some buffs in a game?

am curious as to whether there is comprehension that what the group of emp farmers is doing doesn't just effect you guys positively in terms of your titles/buffs/gains (a good thing), or the few folks currently left struggling in the campaign (a bad thing), but can long term effect the entire community because of the resulting nerfs/losses (a bad thing)

i get that you don't care what people think of you - am good with that - do you care about what you do to others and to the game?

D.

being one of the many Dk's that use the tactic of pulling enemies up walls and off of walls it would suck to lose it, but at the same time it's the only skill in the game that allows for vertical advantages. It should not have the vertical it currently does. The vertical of chain pull has been used to pull up players across all alliances since early beta. The difference between now and then is the people now actually care that it gets fixed, and the people then didn't.

Honestly if you feel this one situation is going to cause the game to die off that is just plain dumb. I've been playing MMO's since before most of you were out of diapers, I know how things work in MMO's. This is honestly being completely blown out of proportion. How about you guys wait and see what the word is from the dev's as to what they think should or shouldn't be used in pvp. ZoS has yet to come across as a company that makes knee jerk reactions to situations. They actually think about things, make changes, have those changes tested in test server, make adjustments, then release. Let's give it some time and see what they feel is best.

let's flip roles for a minute here, and have me label this as an "exploit". Anyone who has been around video games for an extended period of time knows there will ALWAYS be bugs and exploits. Do you realize how these bugs and exploits are found and corrected? That's right, by people using them and making them public.

SO to you that want to classify what was done this weekend as a "bug" or an "exploit", this has now been clearly noted by the community and by ZoS to look into. That means if this was not intended game play it will be corrected so no one in the future is able to use the particular actions that took place this weekend.

I understand people are upset at what took place this weekend, but do you really have to go as far as attacking me over something like this? Given all the things said to me and others throughout the weekend, I have yet to attack anyone. If you want to continue to discuss this topic, can we please keep civil?

Islyn

Dleatherus wrote: »

should Zenimax choose to nerf/remove former emperor buffs

Hmm, at this rate - maybe they should.

Or perhaps only give the buffs to someone who has held Emperor over a certain amount of time or other conditions?

As it stands though, PVP in Celarus - well.

Dleatherus

@bigzz03

civil; to be respectful, deferential, gracious, compliant, suave, affable, urbane, courtly

more than happy to be civil here in the forums if the emperor farmers are willing to be civil in game - them not being civil there is what started this - see above definition

deal?

D.

Tintinabula

"I didn't know that if i cheated ppl would call me a cheater! Be civil!"

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO

bigzz03 wrote: »

HEY!!! I'm famous now!! wooooo!!!!

Ok, so I'm really curious about something here. You guys sit here and complain about people "EXPLOITING" and "CHEATING" in PvP. Please someone explain to me where either one of these takes place in this video, OR anything else we did this weekend.

1. IF ZoS did not want alliances working together there would NOT be a way to contact other alliances using a special system "/tell name, blah blah blah". This system is setup just for communication in PvP.

2. IF ZoS did not want people to be able to bypass walls of keeps they would adjust the vertical that chain pull has. There is no reason to shorten it from a straight pull, but if ZoS was able to shorten the vertical on chain pull this wouldn't happen, just like ambush and bolt escape don't allow you vertical jumps.

3. IF ZoS didn't think about players being able to do this they would NOT have made it where you HAD to have a wall down in a keep in order to flip it. THATS RIGHT!! you can NOT take a keep if BOTH walls have no holes in them. That means they thought about people using chain pull to help other alliances get passed a wall, but you can't go past BOTH walls!

If you guys would take a second to think about the mechanics of AvA and the way ZoS has set up their pvp system you would realize they did think about what they were doing. It's PvP, not everything is supposed to be good, there needs to be bad stuff (2 alliances working against another type of thing).

NOW, where ZoS messed up is by thinking that so many people would play this game and start with 10 campaigns, and then add a 2 week campaign. What this allowed was people to spread out over all the campaigns and lower the population enough to allow this type of alliance team play to happen. If they would have only started with 4-5 campaigns they would be populated enough people would not be able to use this tactic as there would be too many opposing forces to allow it to happen.

As they say, "Hate the game, not the player"

P.S. - Thank you for starting my career on the big screen. Makes me smile seeing me as the staring actor!


-Bigzz The Tank

You do realise that tell works only because you can have all alliances in one guild right? It was something they fir sure not count with when designing PvP.

They for sure did not expect enemy to pull you up and let you and your army to capture the keep. This is not cooperation.

Coooeration is when two alliances side AGAINST the third one. Not that you betray your own soldiers...

I would be fine with this if there was friendly fire on. BTW it would end up so much of idiotic "tactics".

But I do agree with one thing. ZOS should have made walls higher so chain does not reach you.

bigzz03

Dleatherus wrote: »

@bigzz03

civil; to be respectful, deferential, gracious, compliant, suave, affable, urbane, courtly

more than happy to be civil here in the forums if the emperor farmers are willing to be civil in game - them not being civil there is what started this - see above definition

deal?

D.

calling out a mechanic to a game is one thing, taking trash to the people doing it is another.

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO wrote: »

bigzz03 wrote: »

HEY!!! I'm famous now!! wooooo!!!!

Ok, so I'm really curious about something here. You guys sit here and complain about people "EXPLOITING" and "CHEATING" in PvP. Please someone explain to me where either one of these takes place in this video, OR anything else we did this weekend.

1. IF ZoS did not want alliances working together there would NOT be a way to contact other alliances using a special system "/tell name, blah blah blah". This system is setup just for communication in PvP.

2. IF ZoS did not want people to be able to bypass walls of keeps they would adjust the vertical that chain pull has. There is no reason to shorten it from a straight pull, but if ZoS was able to shorten the vertical on chain pull this wouldn't happen, just like ambush and bolt escape don't allow you vertical jumps.

3. IF ZoS didn't think about players being able to do this they would NOT have made it where you HAD to have a wall down in a keep in order to flip it. THATS RIGHT!! you can NOT take a keep if BOTH walls have no holes in them. That means they thought about people using chain pull to help other alliances get passed a wall, but you can't go past BOTH walls!

If you guys would take a second to think about the mechanics of AvA and the way ZoS has set up their pvp system you would realize they did think about what they were doing. It's PvP, not everything is supposed to be good, there needs to be bad stuff (2 alliances working against another type of thing).

NOW, where ZoS messed up is by thinking that so many people would play this game and start with 10 campaigns, and then add a 2 week campaign. What this allowed was people to spread out over all the campaigns and lower the population enough to allow this type of alliance team play to happen. If they would have only started with 4-5 campaigns they would be populated enough people would not be able to use this tactic as there would be too many opposing forces to allow it to happen.

As they say, "Hate the game, not the player"

P.S. - Thank you for starting my career on the big screen. Makes me smile seeing me as the staring actor!


-Bigzz The Tank

You do realise that tell works only because you can have all alliances in one guild right? It was something they fir sure not count with when designing PvP.

They for sure did not expect enemy to pull you up and let you and your army to capture the keep. This is not cooperation.

Coooeration is when two alliances side AGAINST the third one. Not that you betray your own soldiers...

I would be fine with this if there was friendly fire on. BTW it would end up so much of idiotic "tactics".

But I do agree with one thing. ZOS should have made walls higher so chain does not reach you.

Oh, I wasn't aware that you work for ZoS. That would be the only way you "know for sure they did not expect enemy to pull you up and let you and your army to capture the keep", right? Let's not make assumptions please.

"because you can have all alliances in one guild right?"...doesn't this mean they want all alliances to communicate? Don't we as players have the right to play with our own alliance or with other alliances? Who are you to tell us who we can and can't play with?

pad11

Methinks the Rationalizers doth protest too much.

Sweet fancy jeebus the amount of energy going in to justifying something so transparently shallow and inherently lame is epic, I'm talking world-shattering epic here *popcorn out/eyes wide open/mouth agape/summer blockbuster*

Dleatherus

@bigzz03‌

give it a break mate

your progression through this thread has gone from:

HEY!!! I'm famous now!! wooooo!!!!

Ok, so I'm really curious about something here. You guys sit here and complain about people "EXPLOITING" and "CHEATING" in PvP. Please someone explain to me where either one of these takes place in this video, OR anything else we did this weekend

3. IF ZoS didn't think about players being able to do this they would NOT have made it where you HAD to have a wall down in a keep in order to flip it. THATS RIGHT!! you can NOT take a keep if BOTH walls have no holes in them. That means they thought about people using chain pull to help other alliances get passed a wall, but you can't go past BOTH walls!

to: i was just calling out a flawed game mechanic - i'm helping the game - please be civil

strange you didn't make that flawed game mechanic point in your OP - looks suspiciously like you're doing this thing called 'backpedalling' only you're doing it so fast you're tripping over you're own feet


regarding how you have been addressed in this thread:

I am SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDING you out of the following comments since you took no part in any of them, and i acknowledge that

collectively the emperor farmers in game have continuously and an on ongoing basis throughout the day, every day, in zone chat or /tells done the following:

accused me of being a *** and having child *** on my computer

launched tirades so full of hate and obscenity that posting a screenshot of that conversation, with the person's name and all obscenities blanked out, was deemed still be so bad that the mods removed it from the forums (a shame they don't police the actual game as much as they do these forums, but that's another topic for another thread)

been accused of engaging in sexual actions with all kinds of creatures both 2 and four-legged in an amusing variety of locations and positions, with all the accompanying obscenities and profanities

threatened that if we defended a keep to have all of them and all the members of the guilds involved to falsely report us for harassment and get us banned if we didn't stop legitimately defending a keep

the childish bully gang mob mentality is inexcusable

i'll stop here - the list could go on


in short the emperor farmers, with their harassment in zone, /tells, exploits in game have broken so many ToS, and gotten away with it because GM moderation of actions and words in game is virtually non-existent

in spite of all this, and emp farmers having driven away most of the legit players, ruined a campaign - you come here and beat your chest that it was legit, realize it wasn't - and then make an accusation like you're the one being trash talked and mistreated?

keep up the abuse, keep up the exploits, keep up the harassment, keep up the threats and keep up the delusion that you're all doing all of this for the good of the game

because we're not changing course like you are, and we're not moving - it's your call!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5BVlg6MuJE


D

GeeYouWhy

It's built into the game since all of your characters are in the same guilds. Working as intended.

Lettigall

In another post is answer from staff:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/113725/urgent-hotfix-required#latest

Here post from Jessica:

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Okay, so the only way to do this if the gate is closed is to have an enemy character pull you in. We're going to fix this as soon as possible, but just because it's currently allowing exploiting doesn't mean it's okay to do. If you see players from your alliance actively pulling people over the gate to bring them into your spawner area where they otherwise would not be able to go, please report them for exploiting.

Bad news for everyone who thought that they didn't cheat.

Armitas

redundant post.

bigzz03

Lettigall wrote: »

In another post is answer from staff:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/113725/urgent-hotfix-required#latest

Here post from Jessica:

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Okay, so the only way to do this if the gate is closed is to have an enemy character pull you in. We're going to fix this as soon as possible, but just because it's currently allowing exploiting doesn't mean it's okay to do. If you see players from your alliance actively pulling people over the gate to bring them into your spawner area where they otherwise would not be able to go, please report them for exploiting.

Bad news for everyone who thought that they didn't cheat.

She seems to be talking about pulling them into the spawn area's at the main gate where the wayshrine is. I didn't even know that was possible.

Dleatherus wrote: »

@bigzz03‌

give it a break mate

your progression through this thread has gone from:

HEY!!! I'm famous now!! wooooo!!!!

Ok, so I'm really curious about something here. You guys sit here and complain about people "EXPLOITING" and "CHEATING" in PvP. Please someone explain to me where either one of these takes place in this video, OR anything else we did this weekend

3. IF ZoS didn't think about players being able to do this they would NOT have made it where you HAD to have a wall down in a keep in order to flip it. THATS RIGHT!! you can NOT take a keep if BOTH walls have no holes in them. That means they thought about people using chain pull to help other alliances get passed a wall, but you can't go past BOTH walls!

to: i was just calling out a flawed game mechanic - i'm helping the game - please be civil

strange you didn't make that flawed game mechanic point in your OP - looks suspiciously like you're doing this thing called 'backpedalling' only you're doing it so fast you're tripping over you're own feet


regarding how you have been addressed in this thread:

I am SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDING you out of the following comments since you took no part in any of them, and i acknowledge that

collectively the emperor farmers in game have continuously and an on ongoing basis throughout the day, every day, in zone chat or /tells done the following:

accused me of being a *** and having child *** on my computer

launched tirades so full of hate and obscenity that posting a screenshot of that conversation, with the person's name and all obscenities blanked out, was deemed still be so bad that the mods removed it from the forums (a shame they don't police the actual game as much as they do these forums, but that's another topic for another thread)

been accused of engaging in sexual actions with all kinds of creatures both 2 and four-legged in an amusing variety of locations and positions, with all the accompanying obscenities and profanities

threatened that if we defended a keep to have all of them and all the members of the guilds involved to falsely report us for harassment and get us banned if we didn't stop legitimately defending a keep

the childish bully gang mob mentality is inexcusable

i'll stop here - the list could go on


in short the emperor farmers, with their harassment in zone, /tells, exploits in game have broken so many ToS, and gotten away with it because GM moderation of actions and words in game is virtually non-existent

in spite of all this, and emp farmers having driven away most of the legit players, ruined a campaign - you come here and beat your chest that it was legit, realize it wasn't - and then make an accusation like you're the one being trash talked and mistreated?

keep up the abuse, keep up the exploits, keep up the harassment, keep up the threats and keep up the delusion that you're all doing all of this for the good of the game

because we're not changing course like you are, and we're not moving - it's your call!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5BVlg6MuJE


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At no point, was i specifically talking about you bashing or talking trash to me, it was more of a general statement to all parties involved.

I have not once said anything bad to anyone not grouped up with us, I am not a child nor act in such childish actions. I can not speak for others involved. I am not even in that guild. I was guilded with a few of them near release, but left for other reasons. All comments from me are about me and my views on the situation.

I also have not changed my story or "tripping over my own feet". My OP does point where ZoS made mistakes and how they can rectify the situation without having to nerf any abilities.

Being as im the only one of the group even discussing this topic I take all the heat for it, which i'm fine with, it doesn't bother me. Just don't accuse me of talking trash to people in game or out of game when I haven't.