Chain Pull Enemy Faction on Keep Walls

Dleatherus

@bigzz03‌

AvAvA will naturally have 2 underdog factions colluding against the strong one - that has ALWAYS been a part of AvAvA - nobody is disputing that or asking for that to be changed - it is a way of BALANCING a campaign that IS intended

AvAvA has never been intended that because of your greed, lack of ethics, and pure selfishness to try and get a 'former emperor' title and buffs, that now it is in essence the few remaining legit players not only having to contend with the emperor farmers from the other factions, but also the ones within - that makes it THREE factions against a handful of legit players

Abdication mechanics weren't intended to have 20 emperor changes in less than 24 hours

you have ruined the Celarus campaign, which though never busy in the Wabbajack sense, was fun PvP for the hundreds of players in the 3 alliances that used to call it home

justify it all you want - it's pathetic

if Zenimax had wanted folks to get into keeps without taking walls down they would have given an ability for nightblades to do so, or brought in siege ladders etc

your logic is similar to a child punching another child in the face whilst playing monopoly to take all the property cards and cash in the bank and saying 'if the makers hadn't intended this, they would have put it in the rules'

Zenimax have several choices, and those will be made by them, not the players - we can only provide the feedback

meanwhile keep your EXPLOITS and dishonorable gameplay up - would be curious how you guys would react if we came over to Wabba and started using the same tactics against our own faction - am sure you'd be just as delighted

'former emperor' now = 'cheat and jerk'

ty for ruining not just the campaign, but the title for those that earned it legit, and for causing many people to not just leave campaigns, but for unsubbing completely - glad you seem to enjoy your 15 minutes of fame

should Zenimax choose to nerf/remove former emperor buffs we know who to thank

D.

p.s. LOVE the game - hate the jerks

Armitas

bigzz03 wrote: »

1. IF ZoS did not want alliances working together there would NOT be a way to contact other alliances using a special system "/tell name, blah blah blah". This system is setup just for communication in PvP.

2. IF ZoS did not want people to be able to bypass walls of keeps they would adjust the vertical that chain pull has. There is no reason to shorten it from a straight pull, but if ZoS was able to shorten the vertical on chain pull this wouldn't happen, just like ambush and bolt escape don't allow you vertical jumps.

3. IF ZoS didn't think about players being able to do this they would NOT have made it where you HAD to have a wall down in a keep in order to flip it. THATS RIGHT!! you can NOT take a keep if BOTH walls have no holes in them. That means they thought about people using chain pull to help other alliances get passed a wall, but you can't go past BOTH walls!

These Modus Ponens are non sequitur.

1. You can have a trade guild with all 3 alliances in it. That we can communicate does not mean that the reason is for self sabotaging alliances because it can also be for trade guilds.

2. You can also bypass keep walls and take the scroll by the same method. ZOS could shorten the length of it and prevent this from happening, so by your logic then ZOS must intend scrolls to be taken this way.

3. It is also possible they made it this way to blindly mitigate any exploit that might be taken.

For a modus ponens to work Q must not fail from P. You cannot make an argument that...
If P then Q, or R or S or T or U or V
Therefore Q.

Snit

ZOS needs to drop the passives for ex-emperors. That would stop this abuse -- and any similar form of cheating -- in its tracks.

Dleatherus

Snit wrote: »

ZOS needs to drop the passives for ex-emperors. That would stop this abuse -- and any similar form of cheating -- in its tracks.

fully agreed - as somebody who is a 'former emperor'

go a step further - emperor and cyrodiil scroll/keep bonuses should apply only to THAT CAMPAIGN ONLY - not any other PvP campaign or PvE/Craglorn etc

D.

Tintinabula

'Dude I didn't even see his name
' o.O..

''did you see his name?"..
"na all I saw was some blurry red dots.
"Hey fella..stop taking credit for doing that..noone saw your name in the video or cares."

bigzz03

Fuzzylumpkins wrote: »

The only thing prohibited are smiles and fun!

The fiery grip being exploited in such a manner should have been spotted a mile away by devs, most certainly after deciding Realms would be mirrored classes. Insight and forethought were short with these devs.

I explained this. It obviously was looked at by the devs. That's why you can't cap a keep with both walls still up. you have to knock 1 down in order to flip a keep.

Citidel wrote: »

bigzz03 wrote: »

HEY!!! I'm famous now!! wooooo!!!!

As they say, "Hate the game, not the player"

-Bigzz The Tank

Famous sure, if that makes you happy I'm also guessing you should be Bigzz the Former Emperor as well. You can say things all you want honestly, we cant stop you even though we want to. Guess its just like the guild bank dupe bug, It didnt effect PVP at all but dear god that got fixed super fast didnt it? But I'm sure that was totally intended as well.

Sorry Everyone Bigzz has spoken this thread is done, Officially sanctioned by ZOS and the ESO team because "how could they not know." All working as intended too which is the best part. No fear of bannings, or removal of Titles\Buffs\AP its like the people that would like to play the game get shafted and the ones that want to do things that make little to no sense PVP wise get to dictate what we get to do.

All hail the keep flippers and their unstoppable army of amazing players.

I think anger has blinded you, Sir. The dupe "bug" or "exploit" was a legit mistake. There was no evidence standing to show they wanted it to be done like that from the get go. That particular issue was related to the devs not knowing how to code transfers.

What we were doing this weekend was NOT "exploiting" or using a "bug". We simply used the mechanics of the game to twist things up a bit, and also move through content faster than others. I have never, in any game i've ever played used an "exploit" or "cheated" to gain advantage over anyone else or just to use it. This statement still stands. Yes some people frown upon it because they don't think it's right, but hey that is your opinion on the matter.

There are several keys in place that allows this to happen, all of which were purposely put there by ZoS. They had to code it to allow you to chain pull at that vertical, they had to code it to force you to knock a wall down before flipping a keep, and they coded in too many campaigns. The bank dupe was not put in place or purpose, that bug was the result of an incomplete code. This is 2 completely different things.

Ifthir_ESO

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Whoever came up with this is brilliant!

This was reported in PTS just like I reported that I could use teleport strike to enter a keep if the enemy I was targetting was in the door way.

Citidel

bigzz03 wrote: »

I think anger has blinded you, Sir. The dupe "bug" or "exploit" was a legit mistake. There was no evidence standing to show they wanted it to be done like that from the get go. That particular issue was related to the devs not knowing how to code transfers.

What we were doing this weekend was NOT "exploiting" or using a "bug". We simply used the mechanics of the game to twist things up a bit, and also move through content faster than others. I have never, in any game i've ever played used an "exploit" or "cheated" to gain advantage over anyone else or just to use it. This statement still stands. Yes some people frown upon it because they don't think it's right, but hey that is your opinion on the matter.

There are several keys in place that allows this to happen, all of which were purposely put there by ZoS. They had to code it to allow you to chain pull at that vertical, they had to code it to force you to knock a wall down before flipping a keep, and they coded in too many campaigns. The bank dupe was not put in place or purpose, that bug was the result of an incomplete code. This is 2 completely different things.

I'll give you that my opinion is tainted with bias and anger. I wont deny that fact.

I will say that they are related from my point of view, which nitty gritty letter of the law is not correct. Following the TOS, Code of Conduct and ELUA you are correct, as it is within prescribed game mechanics.

But how is one supposed to react when a group of people decide to use this "intended and legit feature" that ZOS nor any of the Dev's have denied is correct or false.

EDIT START

I'm not going to sit in a keep 24/7 to counter this, nor is anyone... it just doesn't make sense to do so. But if it makes you and your guild mates happy, keep doing it I guess just expect everyone to express their opinions good or ill.

EDIT END

How should I react? "oh its ok the game rules say they can do that, guess i'll go back to PVE" or "Why is this even possible? who thought this was a good idea?"

Armitas

bigzz03 wrote: »

What we were doing this weekend was NOT "exploiting" or using a "bug". We simply used the mechanics of the game to twist things up a bit, and also move through content faster than others. I have never, in any game i've ever played used an "exploit" or "cheated" to gain advantage over anyone else or just to use it. This statement still stands. Yes some people frown upon it because they don't think it's right, but hey that is your opinion on the matter.

There are several keys in place that allows this to happen, all of which were purposely put there by ZoS. They had to code it to allow you to chain pull at that vertical, they had to code it to force you to knock a wall down before flipping a keep, and they coded in too many campaigns. The bank dupe was not put in place or purpose, that bug was the result of an incomplete code. This is 2 completely different things.

All the skills we have were purposely placed there by ZOS, but that does not mean that they are all working according to their intentions. You can look at the patch notes to see that that belief is false.

Would you consider using the same methods to steal a scroll an exploit? and please explain.

Ifthir_ESO

FENGRUSH wrote: »

the real problem is trading emps, not pulling people over walls. Theyre both issues.

Marked insightful. Its a shame players exploit this (pull up someone outside their alliance then not attack said person), but the reason they are doing it is to farm AP so they can emp swap.

AP alone might get a little of this, but emp swapping makes it a much faster way to farm AP and therefore a desirable exploit.

Ragnar_Lodbrok

Oh yay another nerf dk thread.

Dleatherus

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

Oh yay another nerf dk thread.

last thing this, is is a nerf DK thread - i don't see anybody having asked for a DK nerf

first thing this is, is members of the community reporting more abuse by the emperor farmers

i do see the DK in the video in his responses saying this is legit play and that he is not doing anything wrong, or cheating or exploiting

i do see a LOT of people disagreeing with that

if dk's fiery chained get nerfed then thank the exploiters, not the folks discussing what they believe to be a totally unintended use of game mechanics (commonly termed an exploit)

D.

Ragnar_Lodbrok

Dleatherus wrote: »

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

Oh yay another nerf dk thread.

last thing this, is is a nerf DK thread - i don't see anybody having asked for a DK nerf

first thing this is, is members of the community reporting more abuse by the emperor farmers

i do see the DK in the video in his responses saying this is legit play and that he is not doing anything wrong, or cheating or exploiting

i do see a LOT of people disagreeing with that

if dk's fiery chained get nerfed then thank the exploiters, not the folks discussing what they believe to be a totally unintended use of game mechanics (commonly termed an exploit)

D.

But rather fix the problem they will just nerf chains.

Dleatherus

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

Dleatherus wrote: »

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

Oh yay another nerf dk thread.

last thing this, is is a nerf DK thread - i don't see anybody having asked for a DK nerf

first thing this is, is members of the community reporting more abuse by the emperor farmers

i do see the DK in the video in his responses saying this is legit play and that he is not doing anything wrong, or cheating or exploiting

i do see a LOT of people disagreeing with that

if dk's fiery chained get nerfed then thank the exploiters, not the folks discussing what they believe to be a totally unintended use of game mechanics (commonly termed an exploit)

D.

But rather fix the problem they will just nerf chains.

then you know who to thank for that right? - emperor farmers who's greed and selfishness overrides common sense and respect for the game and everybody else playing it

D.

Ragnar_Lodbrok

Dleatherus wrote: »

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

Dleatherus wrote: »

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

Oh yay another nerf dk thread.

last thing this, is is a nerf DK thread - i don't see anybody having asked for a DK nerf

first thing this is, is members of the community reporting more abuse by the emperor farmers

i do see the DK in the video in his responses saying this is legit play and that he is not doing anything wrong, or cheating or exploiting

i do see a LOT of people disagreeing with that

if dk's fiery chained get nerfed then thank the exploiters, not the folks discussing what they believe to be a totally unintended use of game mechanics (commonly termed an exploit)

D.

But rather fix the problem they will just nerf chains.

then you know who to thank for that right? - emperor farmers who's greed and selfishness overrides common sense and respect for the game and everybody else playing it

D.

Thats pvpers in general. All the nerfs weve had were due to pvp.

Dleatherus

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

Dleatherus wrote: »

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

Dleatherus wrote: »

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

Oh yay another nerf dk thread.

last thing this, is is a nerf DK thread - i don't see anybody having asked for a DK nerf

first thing this is, is members of the community reporting more abuse by the emperor farmers

i do see the DK in the video in his responses saying this is legit play and that he is not doing anything wrong, or cheating or exploiting

i do see a LOT of people disagreeing with that

if dk's fiery chained get nerfed then thank the exploiters, not the folks discussing what they believe to be a totally unintended use of game mechanics (commonly termed an exploit)

D.

But rather fix the problem they will just nerf chains.

then you know who to thank for that right? - emperor farmers who's greed and selfishness overrides common sense and respect for the game and everybody else playing it

D.

Thats pvpers in general. All the nerfs weve had were due to pvp.

afraid i strongly disagree with you on this one

all pvp'ers abusing the game mechanics and 'spirit of the game does NOT equal all pvp'ers in general

all labradors are dogs does not equal all dogs are labradors

D.

Jaxom

bigzz03 wrote: »

We simply used the mechanics of the game to twist things up a bit, and also move through content faster than others. I have never, in any game i've ever played used an "exploit" or "cheated" to gain advantage over anyone else or just to use it.

These two sentences back to back is a joke right? They completely contradict each other. So you are saying that you are using mechanics in unintended ways to move through content faster than others. Then proceed to spout out that you have never used an exploit to gain an advantage?

I hate to break it to you, using mechanics in unintended ways is an exploit. That's what exploiting is. Using the system in ways it wasnt originally designed. Exploit. Exploit doesnt have to be a bug, which many here think is the case. Brian Wheeler confirmed that this isnt in the spirit of Cyrodiil( aka unintended).

This is the mentality that plagues online gaming. It's a bunch of selfish people.

Tintinabula

Jaxom wrote: »

bigzz03 wrote: »

We simply used the mechanics of the game to twist things up a bit, and also move through content faster than others. I have never, in any game i've ever played used an "exploit" or "cheated" to gain advantage over anyone else or just to use it.

These two sentences back to back is a joke right? They completely contradict each other. So you are saying that you are using mechanics in unintended ways to move through content faster than others. Then proceed to spout out that you have never used an exploit to gain an advantage?

I hate to break it to you, using mechanics in unintended ways is an exploit. That's what exploiting is. Using the system in ways it wasnt originally designed. Exploit. Exploit doesnt have to be a bug, which many here think is the case. Brian Wheeler confirmed that this isnt in the spirit of Cyrodiil( aka unintended).

This is the mentality that plagues online gaming. It's a bunch of selfish people.

so..all those who got their emp ship this way..you don't deserve it..please make a list of your names bragging about how you "twisted things up" so we can laugh at you in a "real" campaign.

Dleatherus

Jaxom wrote: »

bigzz03 wrote: »

We simply used the mechanics of the game to twist things up a bit, and also move through content faster than others. I have never, in any game i've ever played used an "exploit" or "cheated" to gain advantage over anyone else or just to use it.

These two sentences back to back is a joke right? They completely contradict each other. So you are saying that you are using mechanics in unintended ways to move through content faster than others. Then proceed to spout out that you have never used an exploit to gain an advantage?

I hate to break it to you, using mechanics in unintended ways is an exploit. That's what exploiting is. Using the system in ways it wasnt originally designed. Exploit. Exploit doesnt have to be a bug, which many here think is the case. Brian Wheeler confirmed that this isnt in the spirit of Cyrodiil( aka unintended).

This is the mentality that plagues online gaming. It's a bunch of selfish people.

couldn't have put it better myself - ty

D.

Dleatherus

Tintinabula wrote: »

Jaxom wrote: »

bigzz03 wrote: »

We simply used the mechanics of the game to twist things up a bit, and also move through content faster than others. I have never, in any game i've ever played used an "exploit" or "cheated" to gain advantage over anyone else or just to use it.

These two sentences back to back is a joke right? They completely contradict each other. So you are saying that you are using mechanics in unintended ways to move through content faster than others. Then proceed to spout out that you have never used an exploit to gain an advantage?

I hate to break it to you, using mechanics in unintended ways is an exploit. That's what exploiting is. Using the system in ways it wasnt originally designed. Exploit. Exploit doesnt have to be a bug, which many here think is the case. Brian Wheeler confirmed that this isnt in the spirit of Cyrodiil( aka unintended).

This is the mentality that plagues online gaming. It's a bunch of selfish people.

so..all those who got their emp ship this way..you don't deserve it..please make a list of your names bragging about how you "twisted things up" so we can laugh at you in a "real" campaign.

am looking forward to this next little episode in this drama that they have instigated

'what? - who?? - me???? - erm - no wasn't me i - got my title the legit way - it was the other guys - i just happened to be grouped with them - had no clue - honest - i've never cheated'

D.

OrangeTheCat

A simple and humorous fix. If you try to chain pull someone up on to the wall, instead of making it to the top the pulled player goes --SPLAT-- on the wall and leaves a red stain.

pad11

Some advice on this in terms of the emperor farmers in general and Bigzz specifically, generally speaking, ignore him. Ignore him in zone chat, ignore him here...you are looking at the prototypical narcissist and in all probability one with more than a few social/empathy deficits in terms of full ego/id/superego development. There are, in fact, quite of few studies out there which outline this type of behavior and the only cure is to sever the food-source, in clinical terms, the 'attention' (good or bad) that the empathy-deficient narcissist craves. You're not going to fix him, his entire being at least at this moment is being defined by an on-line, mostly anonymous, internet TITLE. Think on that and then marvel at the complete lack of socio-centric grounding. It will actually amaze.

The bigger question would be for those who have been duped into following such tactics. And even bigger, this person's guild mates. It is possible that people lacking in the same type of socio-centric grounding will gravitate to each other in the hopes, maybe even in an unspoken way, of trolling for food (attention/etc.). But I honestly find that pretty hard to believe. That would actually be depressing on a scale that would make me want to crawl into a pint-glass of quality ale for the better part of a day (oh, wait, I call that Thursday anyway ).

Back to the point on those assisting Bigzz et al and the Farmiance guild: Is this really who you are? Is this really who you want to be online? I know anonymity gives you the chance to be something different, etc. and I think we all embrace that in many various ways. But have you, the farmer's assistant, the farmer's guild mate, looked in the mirror (or the ethereal online mirror) and really examined what is staring back at you? Try it, maybe even one of you will say "oh crap, this is so stunningly lame and juvenile...yeah, i was kind of a hack, got caught up in the excitement in my guild, was maybe led astray by an online 'friend'..think i'll turn back now...I've got too much self-respect."

That would be sweet, out of all this gloriously childish emperor farming and the stunning rationalizations being put forth, if just ONE person looked inside themselves and said..."Yep, not doing this anymore...i'm out...now, on to Dragonclaw...for realz!" Heck, you don't even have to make a big deal about it...just use the X for Slip Away and slide off into real gaming...because Internet titles, while uber cool and super sweet and kick ass, probably aren't worth your self-esteem.

So come and play! Come play for real! It's FUN!

Woot!

Armitas

pad11 wrote: »

I know anonymity gives you the chance to be something different, etc. and I think we all embrace that in many various ways. But have you, the farmer's assistant, the farmer's guild mate, looked in the mirror (or the ethereal online mirror) and really examined what is staring back at you? Try it, maybe even one of you will say "oh crap, this is so stunningly lame and juvenile...yeah, i was kind of a hack, got caught up in the excitement in my guild, was maybe led astray by an online 'friend'..think i'll turn back now...I've got too much self-respect."

Why is it that, almost invariably, when a human being puts on the ring of Gyges they immediately revert into anarchy and moral nihilism/relativism? What they previously believed in vanishes and becomes replaced by pure belief in oneself through a simple ring that should only have made one invisible. Given the chance to be anything by what reason do people choose to become the worst?

pad11

Armitas wrote: »

pad11 wrote: »

I know anonymity gives you the chance to be something different, etc. and I think we all embrace that in many various ways. But have you, the farmer's assistant, the farmer's guild mate, looked in the mirror (or the ethereal online mirror) and really examined what is staring back at you? Try it, maybe even one of you will say "oh crap, this is so stunningly lame and juvenile...yeah, i was kind of a hack, got caught up in the excitement in my guild, was maybe led astray by an online 'friend'..think i'll turn back now...I've got too much self-respect."

Why is it that, almost invariably, when a human being puts on the ring of Gyges they immediately revert into anarchy and moral nihilism/relativism? What they previously believed in is gone and replaced by pure belief in oneself by a simple ring. Given the chance to be anything by what reason do people choose to become the worst?

AWESOME. You succinctly summed up my feelings (and my above post) in one short paragraph. Boom!

Wideglide007

sure wish ZOS policed the actual game as much as they policed the forums rofl

worst devs in history

pad11

The problem for ZOS (and any game dev) is that you cannot code the Human Condition. And the Farmers have been miscoded...and only they can patch themselves...you have to 'wanna' fix the code...and certainly some don't...but it's like that IRL w/ all sorts of things...so unfortunately the same here...

bigzz03

Jaxom wrote: »

bigzz03 wrote: »

We simply used the mechanics of the game to twist things up a bit, and also move through content faster than others. I have never, in any game i've ever played used an "exploit" or "cheated" to gain advantage over anyone else or just to use it.

These two sentences back to back is a joke right? They completely contradict each other. So you are saying that you are using mechanics in unintended ways to move through content faster than others. Then proceed to spout out that you have never used an exploit to gain an advantage?

I hate to break it to you, using mechanics in unintended ways is an exploit. That's what exploiting is. Using the system in ways it wasnt originally designed. Exploit. Exploit doesnt have to be a bug, which many here think is the case. Brian Wheeler confirmed that this isnt in the spirit of Cyrodiil( aka unintended).

This is the mentality that plagues online gaming. It's a bunch of selfish people.

At what point did I say I was doing something unintended? Oh, that's right I didn't. Also, please post a link to the post where this Brian Wheeler person confirmed "that this isn't in the spirit of Cyrodiil" I would like to read this.

I also find it funny that you guys think i'm the ring leader or something all because i'm the only one who responded to these silly and childish accusations. I didn't join in on any of this stuff until late friday night, after the guild I was running with had already started it. Being as i was one of the few DK's doing the runs I offered my assistance.

You guys can make all the assumptions you want, but you don't know me, you don't know anything about me. The only thing you do know is the fact I was joined with a guild that was chain pulling DC onto the outter wall of keeps. You can speculate all you want about the rest of the details, and you can assume you know everything ZoS wants PvP to be, but until the people involved actually comes forward and actually tells you people what is really going on.

If ZoS really has an issue with what we were doing, then let them contact me (or anyone else) and discuss what really went on and let them, as the company that made this game, decide what is right and what is wrong.

Dleatherus

@bigzz03‌

regarding your comment as to where you can read Brian Wheeler said it wasn't within the spirit of the game:

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

We are aware of many of the tactics noted here, and are actively working on solutions to them without removing the effectiveness of ability usage or siege weaponry in combat situations that are within the spirit of Cyrodiil warfare against enemy Alliances. There will be more information on this as they go through the entire internal approval process, and eventually get pushed to Live.

(from page 2 on this link: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/112812/cyrodiil-tactics-in-celarus-pvp-exploits-un-intended-functions/p2)

to break it down for you simply:

- they have noted the DK chain pulling and siege weapon max limit exploit tactics
- they are actively working on a fix on them (ie. they want to fix it ASAP)
- they do not want that fix to negate the effectiveness of legitimate DK chain pulling and siege weapon tactics that ARE within the spirit of the game (ergo the ones that YOU are employing and they are working on fixing are NOT)
- they will keep us informed as they work on a fix

after reading Brian's comment do you have the huevo's to come out and say 'wow - looks like i was mistaken in my thinking and my actions, sorry guys' or are you going to twist that quote around and justify it to fit your actions, the same way that you do with unintended game mechanics?


regarding your other comments:

so a child punching another child in the face playing monopoly in order to grab all the property cards and cash from the bank is fine, until the makers of the game personally tell him to stop - and you know when that's going to happen? - never - still doesn't make it right to keep punching other kids in the face

this thread is in part about the other kids thinking you're a jerk - nothing more, nothing less

the other part is letting ZOS be aware that people like you are being a jerk, nothing more, nothing less, so that they can work on a fix - something else confirmed in Brian's quote

if there was nothing wrong with what you'e doing and you weren't being a jerk, they wouldn't be looking at fixing it

as a side note i'd have more respect for you if you just plain out said 'yup, we're cheating, and we can get away with, deal with it', rather than your pathetic excuses and justifications - as it stands i have none - though don't take that personally - it applies to all of you emperor farmers

D.

Kajoh_Americano

Yeah we've had a few incidents on that on our campaign where an enemy faction would use that to ninja scrolls mostly.

It's not the thing I hate the most about pvp at the moment but it's still a pretty lame exploit, and quite frankly a bit desperate. I'm sure Zenimax will get around to though eventually. It might be a while though, the devs seem pretty slow on fixing PvP bugs/exploits/issues in this game, which is very disappointing considering the work they did in the first place.

Jaxom

bigzz03 wrote: »

Jaxom wrote: »

bigzz03 wrote: »

We simply used the mechanics of the game to twist things up a bit, and also move through content faster than others. I have never, in any game i've ever played used an "exploit" or "cheated" to gain advantage over anyone else or just to use it.

These two sentences back to back is a joke right? They completely contradict each other. So you are saying that you are using mechanics in unintended ways to move through content faster than others. Then proceed to spout out that you have never used an exploit to gain an advantage?

I hate to break it to you, using mechanics in unintended ways is an exploit. That's what exploiting is. Using the system in ways it wasnt originally designed. Exploit. Exploit doesnt have to be a bug, which many here think is the case. Brian Wheeler confirmed that this isnt in the spirit of Cyrodiil( aka unintended).

This is the mentality that plagues online gaming. It's a bunch of selfish people.

At what point did I say I was doing something unintended? Oh, that's right I didn't. Also, please post a link to the post where this Brian Wheeler person confirmed "that this isn't in the spirit of Cyrodiil" I would like to read this.

I also find it funny that you guys think i'm the ring leader or something all because i'm the only one who responded to these silly and childish accusations. I didn't join in on any of this stuff until late friday night, after the guild I was running with had already started it. Being as i was one of the few DK's doing the runs I offered my assistance.

You guys can make all the assumptions you want, but you don't know me, you don't know anything about me. The only thing you do know is the fact I was joined with a guild that was chain pulling DC onto the outter wall of keeps. You can speculate all you want about the rest of the details, and you can assume you know everything ZoS wants PvP to be, but until the people involved actually comes forward and actually tells you people what is really going on.

If ZoS really has an issue with what we were doing, then let them contact me (or anyone else) and discuss what really went on and let them, as the company that made this game, decide what is right and what is wrong.

You are absolutely correct. I do not know you but you absolutely said you were "twisting things up" to "again an advantage over others." Tomato, tomato.

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

We are aware of many of the tactics noted here, and are actively working on solutions to them without removing the effectiveness of ability usage or siege weaponry in combat situations that are within the spirit of Cyrodiil warfare against enemy Alliances. There will be more information on this as they go through the entire internal approval process, and eventually get pushed to Live.

Brian Wheeler's comment above. http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/comment/1023565

I dont think anyone is the ring leader nor do I care. I'm commenting on an issue which is clearly being abused. Pulling your enemy up into a keep, standing next to them as they seige it down is not in the sprit of Cyrodiil for the most obvious reasons. Placing seige in places to cap the seige limit and turning around seige on your own faction is not OK.

What most people's issue is, is the fact that those of us who are actually PvPing are being harrassed in chat and in PM from the people doing this. I've never recieved anything from you so I'm not saying you are doing this, but it is being done. Being told last night to stop attacking so DC can flip a keep is the opposite of what Cyrodiil is. Someone actually said in Zone that they made the 14 day camapign specifically for Emperor farming. If that's what you truly believe, then I dont know what to tell you.

Sadly, the Former Emperor title is a joke now and anyone who legitimately gained it through hard work will forever be tainted.