How many addons do you use, if any?

jcasini222ub17_ESO

I intentionally do not use Addons (please give reason)

Currently don't use any add ons. Not for not realizing the benefits some serve but to limit any client mishaps/login issues/other relates problems that can arise.

MrBeatDown

I intentionally do not use Addons (please give reason)

GreySix wrote: »

MrBeatDown wrote: »

Im not even going to try to create you an example of how easy it would be for someone with a loader designed for eso to use all the free addons that are floating around for this game to operate a bot.

Would never ask you to create examples. Simply post examples of it happening, as you allege it is.

Really, it's pretty simple: If what you assert is occurring, someone on a botter/hacker forum has likely bragged about it in a post. Should be easy for you to find - if it exists.

Not trying to be a prick about this, but you've made a claim - so I'm simply asking you to provide evidence toward that claim.

http://www.ownedcore.com/forums/elder-scrolls-online/elder-scrolls-online-bots-programs/471750-eso-framework-cryptoesp-most-uber-esp-youll-see-3.html

is this what your looking for ?

Is that the definite proof you need?

GreySix

1-5 Addons

MrBeatDown wrote: »

is this what your looking for ?

That addons are being exploited by hackers? Sorry, but no.

MrBeatDown wrote: »

Is that the definite proof you need?

No sir, sorry. I've been to that forum and posted quotations from it here, and this is one from the link you posted:

There is two great ESP hacks.. its posible morf it to one script?

Note the bolded piece above, discussing a hack, vice an addon. We know hackers and botters are liberally using hacks.

What we've yet to see evidence of are those hackers/botters exploiting authorized addons to generate or create hacks.

MrBeatDown

I intentionally do not use Addons (please give reason)

GreySix wrote: »

MrBeatDown wrote: »

is this what your looking for ?

That addons are being exploited by hackers? Sorry, but no.

MrBeatDown wrote: »

Is that the definite proof you need?

No sir, sorry. I've been to that forum and posted quotations from it here, and this is one from the link you posted:

There is two great ESP hacks.. its posible morf it to one script?

Note the bolded piece above, discussing a hack, vice an addon. We know hackers and botters are liberally using hacks.

What we've yet to see evidence of are those hackers/botters exploiting authorized addons to generate or create hacks.

Looks like ESP is the platform that could be used to abuse these addons. Give it some time, shouldn't be too hard to implement these wonderfull free editions to a loader for this game.

GreySix

1-5 Addons

MrBeatDown wrote: »

Looks like ESP is the platform that could be used to abuse these addons. Give it some time, shouldn't be too hard to implement these wonderfull free editions to a loader for this game.

It is certainly possible that hackers could find a way to abuse addons, but there is no evidence that they have to date done so.

Moreover, they really don't need to do so - their ability to hack ESO has been aptly demonstrated, all without the use of authorized addons at all.

MrBeatDown

I intentionally do not use Addons (please give reason)

GreySix wrote: »

MrBeatDown wrote: »

Looks like ESP is the platform that could be used to abuse these addons. Give it some time, shouldn't be too hard to implement these wonderfull free editions to a loader for this game.

It is certainly possible that hackers could find a way to abuse addons, but there is no evidence that they have to date done so.

Moreover, they really don't need to do so - their ability to hack ESO has been aptly demonstrated, all without the use of authorized addons at all.

Why would they tell you? Why would they brag? All anyone can do is speculate at this point. Hence, my position on why addons shouldn't be allowed in the game.

GreySix

1-5 Addons

MrBeatDown wrote: »

Why would they tell you? Why would they brag? All anyone can do is speculate at this point. Hence, my position on why addons shouldn't be allowed in the game.

The very botter/hacker forum to which you posted a link is absolutely packed with braggarts touting the details of their hacks and mods to ESO.

It's what many of them are there to do. Criminals and n'ardowells are notorious for bragging of their exploits to others, and the advent of internet forums serves only to enhance that effect.

MrBeatDown

I intentionally do not use Addons (please give reason)

GreySix wrote: »

MrBeatDown wrote: »

Why would they tell you? Why would they brag? All anyone can do is speculate at this point. Hence, my position on why addons shouldn't be allowed in the game.

The very botter/hacker forum to which you posted a link is absolutely packed with braggarts touting the details of their hacks and mods to ESO.

It's what many of them are there to do. Criminals and n'ardowells are notorious for bragging of their exploits to others, and the advent of internet forums serves only to enhance that effect.

Those are just the publicly circulated hacks, We don't know what the finalized polished personal ones look like. As I said before, all speculation of course, But I just got a hunch that some of these guys got some nice decked out polished bots for this game and use these addons. Youll never know what the pay bot looks like unless you own one. You gotta be special to get one of those for a price. Everything has a price.

Totally against allowing any type of modding for this game. Sorry, Im done posting in this thread since some folks just don't get it. This game is suffering from so many problems that this is just one of the small ones that adds to it.

GreySix

1-5 Addons

MrBeatDown wrote: »

Those are just the publicly circulated hacks, We don't know what the finalized polished personal ones look like. As I said before, all speculation of course, But I just got a hunch that some of these guys got some nice decked out polished bots for this game and use these addons. Youll never know what the pay bot looks like unless you own one. You gotta be special to get one of those for a price. Everything has a price.

That all remains in the realm of speculation. I tend not to lend much credence to decisions built upon speculation, without supporting evidence. But perhaps that's just my military background coming into play.

MrBeatDown wrote: »

Totally against allowing any type of modding for this game. Sorry, Im done posting in this thread since some folks just don't get it. This game is suffering from so many problems that this is just one of the small ones that adds to it.

I also oppose unauthorized modding ... for any MMO.

I support addons though.

Blackhorne

1-5 Addons

For those of you (on both sides) who don't understand how addons work, here it is in a nutshell:
1. Addons are written in plain text files in two languages: XML and LUA.
2. The addons must be placed inside the AddOns folder in your ESO user profile in order to be loaded.
3. The ESO executable reads those files on startup/login and parses them according to rules written by Zenimax (the API).
4. Anything not explicitly permitted in the API will generate an error.
5. Anything permitted by the API will be run within the game engine.

Two important things to note about this process: Nothing in an addon is run outside of the game engine, and nothing in an addon is run unless explicitly permitted in the API. This means that there is no client-side trust issue involved.

So how do botters bot? They use several mechanisms; here are three examples:
1. Programmatically sending keyboard and mouse events into the target game's process. This can be done either directly in Windows or by running Windows and the game in a virtual machine and injecting the events through the hypervisor.
2. Reverse-engineering the client-server communication and injecting their own commands into the network traffic.
3. Cracking the client game code itself.

Note that these are just some general methods which can be used; I don't know the specifics of how botters work in ESO.

But I'm quite sure that they don't use the Add-on API, because that's pretty well locked down. Plus it has a cadre of honest, dedicated addon writers who won't hesitate to tell Zenimax if they find an exploit.

Don't believe me? Check it out for yourself. Find a function that enables botting. Let us all know if you do.

As for me, I use one simple addon which I wrote to allow me to see my free bag space in the corner of my screen. I've looked at a few more I might use, and thought of some I might write, but I just don't really feel a need to use anything else right now.

dolmen

1-5 Addons

@Blackhorne - Thank you. An Awesome to you.

TazerReloaded

26+ Addons (I have a scroll bar in my Addon list)

They will implement some anticheat-system soon, and all those script kids will be crying in the corner because they got permabanned. Happened in every online game.
It's easy to detect if a player moves too fast (teleport/speed hack) or attempts other actions which are not achievable with normal game functions. Take WoW as an example, in the beginning it was quite easy to hack, then only automation was possible, and even these were killed off by GMs after some time.

Terms of service, paragraph 9:

You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of ‘bots’, [...] or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services.[...]

Please note that a violation of these terms of service may constitute civil wrongs and/or criminal offenses and ZeniMax reserves the right to take such action as zenimax in its sole discretion deems appropriate in the circumstances.

ZeniMax in its sole discretion may implement various forms of filtering, blocking, or monitoring of IP addresses, MAC addresses or proxies used to use, play or access the Services, including without limitation blocking or filtering measures that restrict Your ability to use, play or access the Services. ZeniMax in its sole discretion may restrict access or certain features or Services to any person, territories or geographic areas.

tplink3r1

1-5 Addons

Loot Drop, combat cloud (sideshow) and split slider.
i have 3 more addons, but i only use them when im testing something (abilities).

Allyah

I intentionally do not use Addons (please give reason)

GreySix wrote: »

Allyah wrote: »

GreySix wrote: »

GreySix wrote: »

Allyah wrote: »

GreySix wrote: »

Allyah wrote: »

GreySix wrote: »

And we can thank the number of gold-sinks in-game for the number of folks seeking to purchase gold. Here you blamed the gold sinks for gold buyers.

Have to disagree. We can thank the people who are willing to buy in-game-currency for the number of folks seeking to purchase gold. Let's not use gold-sinks as a scapegoat. Here I mentioned the fault of gold buying lies only on the person buying.

Yeah, well they've got to be buying the gold for a reason ... other than hoarding it. Here you mentioned the reason people buy gold.

True enough. But it is the people buying the gold that are breaking the rules not the gold-sinks that are breaking the rules. Here is where I tell you the reason doesn't matter.

Well, yeah - obviously. Stating the causal factors for a thing does not equate to excusing the thing. Here is when you seemed to miss the point.

Friend, you're being deliberately obtuse.

Either come to a point, or I'm afraid our conversation is at an end.

And here I thought it already was at an end.

But to explain:
You neither stated casual factors for gold buying nor did I say you were excusing it. Why you felt you needed to mention either is anyone's guess. You original statement was expressed in such a way that made it seem like the gold sinks are responsible for the buying of gold when really the responsibility lies only with the person who buys gold. That was my one and only point.

My apologies if there was miscommunication but it honestly seems like you were still trying to say it was the fault of gold-sinks in your other comments. If you disagree and think that the fault is on the gold sinks. Just say so directly and give a reason for it other than dancing around it and responding to something I never said.

Ah, then you did misunderstand. Here, I'll provide a helpful analogy:

1. Crime in the city of Memphis is high, because gangs prowl parts of the city and many inhabitants of the city are in poverty.
2. Gangs and poverty are causal factors of crime in Memphis.

Explaining causal factors does not equate to excusing crime. But so long as the two causal factors above exist, so will crime.

No. My assertion was, and remains that gold-sinks are causal factors for gold buyers -> thus gold-sellers -> thus botters and hackers.

At no point should that be confused as an excusing of botters or hackers. And any confusion upon that point is simply projection on the part of others.

Seems to be misunderstanding on your side as well.

Where do you keep pulling the idea that I said you were excusing botters or hackers? These are things I never said. I simply said you either miscommunicated what you meant or that we disagreed on who is really responsible for people buying gold.

Besides your (finally) clear explanation on what you were trying to say in your original posts, nothing else you typed has to do with what I said. The morality of botting, hacking, and/or excusing certain behaviors has nothing to do with my point that ultimately the only person responsible for buying gold is the person who buys gold. Why even bring the other subjects up? Projection on your part?

zgrssd

26+ Addons (I have a scroll bar in my Addon list)

I really would prefer if I could just edit the OP to say this, but this here has to suffice:
I asked people to share thier reasons of why they intentionally do not use addons so I could clear up the misconceptions in a proper, respectfull way. It was not an invite to attack other posters or thier point of view.

Also this thread is not about goldselling or botting. Addons and Botting are entirely unrealted issues. Nothing from the Addon API makes botting easier or harder. Nor does the Addon API allow "unfair advantages" or "hacking" the game.

Please keep this thread I started on track or let it die.

kevlarto_ESO

I intentionally do not use Addons (please give reason)

Don't use them,don't need them, for me learnng the game inside and out is my fun..

FrauPerchta

26+ Addons (I have a scroll bar in my Addon list)

I have a scroll bar that hides 2 addons. So if you get a scroll bar at 26 I must have 28...lol

jkbennettb14a_ESO

1-5 Addons

26+ should have been : Yo dawg! I heard you like addons, so we got you addons for your addons so you can....

Just sayin.

Singular

I intentionally do not use Addons (please give reason)

I don't use them b/c my I'm worried that it will add load to my already stressed out computer.



Uh...am I incorrect in thinking this? Are there any issues with addons?

Kingslayer

6-10 Addons

I use add ons also laughing at the ignorance of some thank you guys once again.

Saerydoth

1-5 Addons

I use a couple of chat addons, both to block spam and to strip colors from text. One addon that lets me craft more than one of something without spamming r. And one that shows my research on all my characters...that's it.

Cogo

FrauPerchta wrote: »

I have a scroll bar that hides 2 addons. So if you get a scroll bar at 26 I must have 28...lol

Exactly what I do, and I seam to have a lot more fun then most people with addons playing the game for them.

Blackhorne

1-5 Addons

Singular wrote: »

I don't use them b/c my I'm worried that it will add load to my already stressed out computer.



Uh...am I incorrect in thinking this? Are there any issues with addons?

This is actually a good question.

I know LUA (the language the operational bits of addons are written in) is used by many games for their extensibility framework (including that MMO which must not be named*), so clearly those who know development consider it efficient enough, but all the code is stored as text, so it either has to be compiled at start or interpreted at runtime, both of which will put some more strain on a marginal system.

I know in that MMO which must not be named*, some very very complex addons I used could actually slow down my previous laptop quite a bit, but most of them ran without issues.

I have checked framerate with the one addon I use and a few others I've evaluated, and haven't noticed a difference. Anyone in the 26+ group care to test framerate with/without all those addons loaded?

* (y'know, that one that takes place in that world, where there's some kind of war? oh, and they have crafting, too...)

hk11

Skyshards, lore books, and foundry.

taylorwilenskiub17_ESO

6-10 Addons

I wish I didn't need any of my addons, but Zenimax can't make a complete game soo...

GreySix

1-5 Addons

Allyah wrote: »

Besides your (finally) clear explanation on what you were trying to say in your original posts, nothing else you typed has to do with what I said. The morality of botting, hacking, and/or excusing certain behaviors has nothing to do with my point that ultimately the only person responsible for buying gold is the person who buys gold. Why even bring the other subjects up? Projection on your part?

This appears to be pointless now, so feel free to count this as a win.

I'm done with it.

otis67

I intentionally do not use Addons (please give reason)

I don't use them because I don't like them.

Cogo

Why do anyone use the skyshard addon? I dont get it!

Running around getting all these skyshards only must feel like a job. And when you have more skillpoints then skills.....what fun is the game then?

Uviryth

16-20 Addons

1.) To all the people who think Addons promote, allow or enable hacks and cheats. Please, pick up a book once in a while. try to save some of your grey cells.

2.) Addons in ESO are mandatory, because the Basic-UI sucks soooooo much.

Yankee

1-5 Addons

I use a combat log addon. I like to see what my spells are doing. If I decide to hunt lorebooks I enable the addon that puts them on the map.

Both of those are more useful that the new death recap ZOS implemented. It is usually pretty obvious what killed me lol.

That said, because of the API limits the addons are of limited use. If they went away tomorrow it would not matter much in this game.