How many addons do you use, if any?

MrBeatDown

I intentionally do not use Addons (please give reason)

Bromburak wrote: »

MrBeatDown wrote: »

Addons are bad in every way.

You have no clue of customizable UI and accessibility.

Im sure the bot makers love it, Completely free too. Almost makes me want to see it run. I bet its the $hit. Makes it nice to create logs and get all the data you need to perfect your scripting. Yeah, these addons are definitely the cheese for the ones that haven't gotten caught yet. Too bad people are defending it and condoning it. Especially the game maker.

JessieColt

6-10 Addons

MrBeatDown wrote: »

Who ever is making the bots for this game is loving all these free addons that they didn't even have to develop. They can simply modify them and that adds more fuel to the fire. Hell, if you make addons for this game since ZOS allows it, then you are basically contributing to the development of bots. AT YOUR EXPENSE. You don't get a dime out of it. There is nothing you can do at this point. Stop helping others exploit the game. These addons are just short cuts for bot developers. They spend virtually no time making them. Would love to see the addon you made with your name erased from the file and replaced by who ever modified your file. Its np. An ez steal.

It should not be condoned. Addons are bad in every way. This game is supposed to be out of Beta by now. Why aren't these GREAT ADDONS additions to the game?

Add-ons only show information that is already available in the game in an easier to access manner.

Removing the ability to have or use add-ons in the game will not stop the bots/hacks.

Cimos

6-10 Addons

Addons are great. Generally they do not affect performance as long as they have been updated for major patches.

The best use for addons, is to display information in a more robust and less intrusive way. I dont want my whole screen cluttered up with boxes and texts, but I do want more information.

If you can free up real estate on my screen, while adding additional details or information, then your addon has value to me.

dolmen

1-5 Addons

I use Simple Clock and MiniMap. I have FTC installed but turned it off, more information than I feel like parsing at this point, maybe later on I will turn it back on.

I would use others because there are some that would be handy. But at this point, I'm more interested in playing well with this "basic" setup I have.

Azzuria

1-5 Addons

I use 3. Skyshard and Lore Book add-ons and one for tradeskill research. I was using an anti-spam add-on but the gold spammers seem to have died down.

For the most part, I like the minimalist UI.

GreySix

1-5 Addons

dolmen wrote: »

I use Simple Clock and MiniMap.

Can the minimap be turned on or off, or can it be moved around? Like the idea of a clock, as it's easy to lose track of time when you're playing.

Asawasa

21-25 Addons

for all those that don't want to use addons or think addons are the devil really don't know what you are talking about. addons give this game the basic functionality it has been missing since beta. if you want to easily do a guild store search you need an addon (Batman Store Filter). if you want to know how many ingredients you have in your backpack quick and easily you need an addon (Inventory mod).

there are many addons like the two i mentioned that give you basic functionality the developers just didn't even take the time to work on. if you choose not to use any you are choosing to play without many game functions. you are choosing to be disadvantaged.

and if you want to easily manage your addons download the Minion addon manager from ESOUI.com

Vyshan

16-20 Addons

So many things should be default features...

joshisanonymous

I intentionally do not use Addons (please give reason)

I don't normally use addons but I do turn on a combat log when I'm specifically testing something out and the softcap thing when I'm figuring out enchants and such. The very clear UI is refreshing to me and has all the info I need. When I watch videos of people using FTC it just looks like a giant distracting mess to me. I was also pretty vocal about limiting what addons can do during beta as they at one point could provide pretty distinct advantages in PvP. There still might be an advantage with buff timers at least, but they're often inaccurate for enemy (de)buffs and I feel the extra clutter that you have to pay attention to is as much a detriment as a bonus.

That's the other thing: addons are almost always broken when I try them. Complain about the basic UI all you want, but I have yet to find an addon that doesn't have annoying bugs that either make the addon not work as intended or mess up something in the basic UI, save for maybe things like the addon that gives you a keybind for removing your helmet.. Actually I do use that. So I guess I use exactly 1 incredibly simple addon.

Edit: I should say that I sometimes wonder if those with the worst lag are using lots of addons. This is another reason I avoid them.

Opioid

11-15 Addons

MrBeatDown wrote: »

Who ever is making the bots for this game is loving all these free addons that they didn't even have to develop. They can simply modify them and that adds more fuel to the fire. Hell, if you make addons for this game since ZOS allows it, then you are basically contributing to the development of bots. AT YOUR EXPENSE. You don't get a dime out of it. There is nothing you can do at this point. Stop helping others exploit the game. These addons are just short cuts for bot developers. They spend virtually no time making them. Would love to see the addon you made with your name erased from the file and replaced by who ever modified your file. Its np. An ez steal.

It should not be condoned. Addons are bad in every way. This game is supposed to be out of Beta by now. Why aren't these GREAT ADDONS additions to the game?

Again, someone else who doesn't seem to understand what an add-on is and how it actually works.

Add-ons do nothing, and I do mean NOTHING to enable people that create hacks/bot scripts. Creating add-ons does nothing to contribute to the development of bots, at all. It does not cost anyone anything to allow add-ons to exist. Add-ons are NOT exploits, in any way, shape, or form. They are simply modules of code designed to interact with the highly limited API that ZOS has made available for people to play around with.

People that develop hacks and bot scripts work entirely outside the add-on API. Why would they do that? Well I'm glad you asked... It's because the add-on API is so highly limited. Hacks and bot-scripts take advantage of ZOS's decision to allow the game client so much trust in processing information and feeding it back to their servers. Hacks take advantage of fun stuff like .dll injection and real-time modification of the game's memory addressing to make changes and feed erroneous information back to the game servers.

Hacks and bots have nothing to do with the API that ZOS provided for modders to use in the creation of add-ons.

Also, if ZOS is smart, they'll do exactly what Blizzard did in WoW when it came to add-ons. Keep an eye out for really useful add-ons that end up getting used by a large portion of the community. Once they identify something that everyone is using, they can then take it and integrate it into the game. It takes some of the development costs off of their shoulders and allows the community to develop the UI for them.

LadyHen

1-5 Addons

Have the Skyshard locator, the Lore Book locator and the Harvest Map.

Xozah

26+ Addons (I have a scroll bar in my Addon list)

This game is so lackluster when it comes to basic function so I need 26+ addons to even get basic functions that I gotten used to over the years playing several mmo's.

MrBeatDown

I intentionally do not use Addons (please give reason)

Opioid wrote: »

MrBeatDown wrote: »

Who ever is making the bots for this game is loving all these free addons that they didn't even have to develop. They can simply modify them and that adds more fuel to the fire. Hell, if you make addons for this game since ZOS allows it, then you are basically contributing to the development of bots. AT YOUR EXPENSE. You don't get a dime out of it. There is nothing you can do at this point. Stop helping others exploit the game. These addons are just short cuts for bot developers. They spend virtually no time making them. Would love to see the addon you made with your name erased from the file and replaced by who ever modified your file. Its np. An ez steal.

It should not be condoned. Addons are bad in every way. This game is supposed to be out of Beta by now. Why aren't these GREAT ADDONS additions to the game?

Again, someone else who doesn't seem to understand what an add-on is and how it actually works.

Add-ons do nothing, and I do mean NOTHING to enable people that create hacks/bot scripts. Creating add-ons does nothing to contribute to the development of bots, at all. It does not cost anyone anything to allow add-ons to exist. Add-ons are NOT exploits, in any way, shape, or form. They are simply modules of code designed to interact with the highly limited API that ZOS has made available for people to play around with.

People that develop hacks and bot scripts work entirely outside the add-on API. Why would they do that? Well I'm glad you asked... It's because the add-on API is so highly limited. Hacks and bot-scripts take advantage of ZOS's decision to allow the game client so much trust in processing information and feeding it back to their servers. Hacks take advantage of fun stuff like .dll injection and real-time modification of the game's memory addressing to make changes and feed erroneous information back to the game servers.

Hacks and bots have nothing to do with the API that ZOS provided for modders to use in the creation of add-ons.

Also, if ZOS is smart, they'll do exactly what Blizzard did in WoW when it came to add-ons. Keep an eye out for really useful add-ons that end up getting used by a large portion of the community. Once they identify something that everyone is using, they can then take it and integrate it into the game. It takes some of the development costs off of their shoulders and allows the community to develop the UI for them.

Again, someone else who doesn't seem to understand what an add-on is and how it actually works.

You have probably never used a bot program before and do not know what a Polished finely tuned bot is capable of and the features that they are capable of using. You are probably un aware of bot programs for other games that are basically comprised of a core, and several ADDONS/plugins that are taken from the later bots used to operate on the same game but were discontinued because of detectability. When a new bot comes out for a game, its usually just a modified version of the old bot, to get around the new detection software that is being used to ban bots. For the most part, its the same bot, and uses the same ADDONS/plugins from previous bots. Most addons for older games were considered hacks. It didn't matter if it injected any code into the game or read memory or not. You can make Auto Attack hacks that do not inject anything into the game. You mash 1 button.

What im saying is, ADDONS do contribute to the hacking community and allow other people to misuse the ADDON and they do get the unfair advantages for free (or if they bought a prog then that's the cost). Anyone can incorporate any of these addons into a bot and there is nothing you can say to deny that. Its a fact.

GreySix

1-5 Addons

MrBeatDown wrote: »

What im saying is, ADDONS do contribute to the hacking community and allow other people to misuse the ADDON and they do get the unfair advantages for free (or if they bought a prog then that's the cost). Anyone can incorporate any of these addons into a bot and there is nothing you can say to deny that. Its a fact.

Then you should have no problem demonstrating here which authorized addons for ESO have been exploited by hackers.

Just post some examples.

alphawolph

16-20 Addons

MrBeatDown wrote: »

Opioid wrote: »

MrBeatDown wrote: »

Who ever is making the bots for this game is loving all these free addons that they didn't even have to develop. They can simply modify them and that adds more fuel to the fire. Hell, if you make addons for this game since ZOS allows it, then you are basically contributing to the development of bots. AT YOUR EXPENSE. You don't get a dime out of it. There is nothing you can do at this point. Stop helping others exploit the game. These addons are just short cuts for bot developers. They spend virtually no time making them. Would love to see the addon you made with your name erased from the file and replaced by who ever modified your file. Its np. An ez steal.

It should not be condoned. Addons are bad in every way. This game is supposed to be out of Beta by now. Why aren't these GREAT ADDONS additions to the game?

Again, someone else who doesn't seem to understand what an add-on is and how it actually works.

Add-ons do nothing, and I do mean NOTHING to enable people that create hacks/bot scripts. Creating add-ons does nothing to contribute to the development of bots, at all. It does not cost anyone anything to allow add-ons to exist. Add-ons are NOT exploits, in any way, shape, or form. They are simply modules of code designed to interact with the highly limited API that ZOS has made available for people to play around with.

People that develop hacks and bot scripts work entirely outside the add-on API. Why would they do that? Well I'm glad you asked... It's because the add-on API is so highly limited. Hacks and bot-scripts take advantage of ZOS's decision to allow the game client so much trust in processing information and feeding it back to their servers. Hacks take advantage of fun stuff like .dll injection and real-time modification of the game's memory addressing to make changes and feed erroneous information back to the game servers.

Hacks and bots have nothing to do with the API that ZOS provided for modders to use in the creation of add-ons.

Also, if ZOS is smart, they'll do exactly what Blizzard did in WoW when it came to add-ons. Keep an eye out for really useful add-ons that end up getting used by a large portion of the community. Once they identify something that everyone is using, they can then take it and integrate it into the game. It takes some of the development costs off of their shoulders and allows the community to develop the UI for them.

Again, someone else who doesn't seem to understand what an add-on is and how it actually works.

You have probably never used a bot program before and do not know what a Polished finely tuned bot is capable of and the features that they are capable of using. You are probably un aware of bot programs for other games that are basically comprised of a core, and several ADDONS/plugins that are taken from the later bots used to operate on the same game but were discontinued because of detectability. When a new bot comes out for a game, its usually just a modified version of the old bot, to get around the new detection software that is being used to ban bots. For the most part, its the same bot, and uses the same ADDONS/plugins from previous bots. Most addons for older games were considered hacks. It didn't matter if it injected any code into the game or read memory or not. You can make Auto Attack hacks that do not inject anything into the game. You mash 1 button.

What im saying is, ADDONS do contribute to the hacking community and allow other people to misuse the ADDON and they do get the unfair advantages for free (or if they bought a prog then that's the cost). Anyone can incorporate any of these addons into a bot and there is nothing you can say to deny that. Its a fact.

And then the bots have custom UIs and know where all the lore books are. It's the end times.

MrBeatDown

I intentionally do not use Addons (please give reason)

GreySix wrote: »

MrBeatDown wrote: »

What im saying is, ADDONS do contribute to the hacking community and allow other people to misuse the ADDON and they do get the unfair advantages for free (or if they bought a prog then that's the cost). Anyone can incorporate any of these addons into a bot and there is nothing you can say to deny that. Its a fact.

Then you should have no problem demonstrating here which authorized addons for ESO have been exploited by hackers.

Just post some examples.

I don't hack, I don't have to use hacks or addons for this game. I have no examples for you at this time. I have not researched or tried to contact anybody that makes a bot for this game. I gave up botting a long time ago so I could actually enjoy the games that I play instead of turning them into a job. Why don't you do some research and see how easy it is to abuse the privilege that zos gave people that allows them to MOD in this game?

GreySix

1-5 Addons

MrBeatDown wrote: »

I don't hack, I don't have to use hacks or addons for this game. I have no examples for you at this time. I have not researched or tried to contact anybody that makes a bot for this game. I gave up botting a long time ago so I could actually enjoy the games that I play instead of turning them into a job.

Yet you clearly asserted above that hackers and botters are exploiting ESO addons. I'm simply asking for evidence of that assertion. It's Debate 101 stuff.

MrBeatDown wrote: »

Why don't you do some research and see how easy it is to abuse the privilege that zos gave people that allows them to MOD in this game?

Why? Because I'm not the one asserting that hackers and botters are exploiting ESO addons.

You are.

stabbykitteh

6-10 Addons

Maybe it would be good if a Dev stepped in and explained what the API is capable of and what it isn't? Have they done this anywhere?

The misinformation is getting ridiculous.

MrBeatDown

I intentionally do not use Addons (please give reason)

GreySix wrote: »

MrBeatDown wrote: »

I don't hack, I don't have to use hacks or addons for this game. I have no examples for you at this time. I have not researched or tried to contact anybody that makes a bot for this game. I gave up botting a long time ago so I could actually enjoy the games that I play instead of turning them into a job.

Yet you clearly asserted above that hackers and botters are exploiting ESO addons. I'm simply asking for evidence of that assertion. It's Debate 101 stuff.

MrBeatDown wrote: »

Why don't you do some research and see how easy it is to abuse the privilege that zos gave people that allows them to MOD in this game?

Why? Because I'm not the one asserting that hackers and botters are exploiting ESO addons.

You are.

Im asserting that im against using addons because the potential for abuses is extremely hi and people are either denying it or outright dumb to how these addons can be used to xploit this game and gain a competitive unfair advantage amongst others. This game is loaded with problems, Mods is just another one. This should have never been allowed in this game. This is an unpolished beta video game that we all basically payed to beta test for this company. These addons should not be the responsibility of 3rd party developers to make at home on the weekend and it should not be allowed. Its very unproffesional and makes it look like the company is asking for hand me outs to fix this game for free at other peoples expense while allowing others to take advantage of these said people.

pinstripesc

26+ Addons (I have a scroll bar in my Addon list)

I have 41 addons even though I try to keep the list down when I can. I do wonder if it's gonna start to hit my performance and slow stuff down.

I'm a big customization buff (takes me 2 days to set up a new phone kinda thing) so I like to grab addons to make my UI exactly as I like it. I'm also a graphic designer so everything's gotta look right.

GreySix

1-5 Addons

MrBeatDown wrote: »

Im asserting that im against using addons because the potential for abuses is extremely hi and people are either denying it or outright dumb to how these addons can be used to xploit this game and gain a competitive unfair advantage amongst others.

Okay, so do you have evidence to support that claim?

Cimos

6-10 Addons

pinstripesc wrote: »

I have 41 addons even though I try to keep the list down when I can. I do wonder if it's gonna start to hit my performance and slow stuff down.

WTF? Are there even 41 addons out there? You cant possibly use all of them on a normal basis..

dolmen

1-5 Addons

GreySix wrote: »

dolmen wrote: »

I use Simple Clock and MiniMap.

Can the minimap be turned on or off, or can it be moved around? Like the idea of a clock, as it's easy to lose track of time when you're playing.

Yes, by default they appear in the upper left portion of the screen. Just hit "." to unlock the cursor and move both to where you please. I keep both on the right portion of my screen. A note on the mini map, when in inventory etc, it responds to attempts to use the scroll bar, so move it way from the right edge a bit if you plan to place it there. And yes, you can turn it off/on via disabling it in the Add On menu. My version is out of date, it may be the case the developer has added a key stroke feature for on/off by now, don't know.

pinstripesc

26+ Addons (I have a scroll bar in my Addon list)

Cimos wrote: »

pinstripesc wrote: »

I have 41 addons even though I try to keep the list down when I can. I do wonder if it's gonna start to hit my performance and slow stuff down.

WTF? Are there even 41 addons out there? You cant possibly use all of them on a normal basis..

lol, well there are at least 416 according to ESOUI's database.

A lot of them are dumb little things that shouldn't require 1 addon (or an addon, for that matter), like a hotkey for helmet toggling, your compass turning red when you're considered 'in combat', the ability to click URLs in chat and copy them, one that properly stacks your inventory items, etc.

Then there are ones that are more substantial like adding a little info to the UI, letting you move elements around, saving builds, showing extra stuff on the map, etc. I try to keep things to the vanilla look unless I really don't agree with something, like the giant spaciousness of your group info.

GreySix

1-5 Addons

I like the idea of a helmet-hiding addon. Most of my characters have nice, shiny bald heads (like me), so I like to show them off.

dolmen

1-5 Addons

GreySix wrote: »

I like the idea of a helmet-hiding addon. Most of my characters have nice, shiny bald heads (like me), so I like to show them off.

There is an add on for this? You can also do this under the game options. I can't remember where, poke around some, you'll see it.

Nox_Aeterna

16-20 Addons

Atm not many , just 18.

I will give it a little time before i make a second search for addons , there are probably new ones worth having.

MrBeatDown

I intentionally do not use Addons (please give reason)

GreySix wrote: »

MrBeatDown wrote: »

Im asserting that im against using addons because the potential for abuses is extremely hi and people are either denying it or outright dumb to how these addons can be used to xploit this game and gain a competitive unfair advantage amongst others.

Okay, so do you have evidence to support that claim?

Im not even going to try to create you an example of how easy it would be for someone with a loader designed for eso to use all the free addons that are floating around for this game to operate a bot. Its free for the taking. Who ever has the loader wins.

Whisper292

1-5 Addons

I don't have many, but in truth, I've only looked for them in one or two places. With Skyrim, I had over 100 of them and was completely addicted. I even had addons to help organize my addons. I don't want to use that many in ESO, but I'm definitely open to more than I have presently.

GreySix

1-5 Addons

MrBeatDown wrote: »

Im not even going to try to create you an example of how easy it would be for someone with a loader designed for eso to use all the free addons that are floating around for this game to operate a bot.

Would never ask you to create examples. Simply post examples of it happening, as you allege it is.

Really, it's pretty simple: If what you assert is occurring, someone on a botter/hacker forum has likely bragged about it in a post. Should be easy for you to find - if it exists.

Not trying to be a prick about this, but you've made a claim - so I'm simply asking you to provide evidence toward that claim.