How many addons do you use, if any?
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GreySix✭✭✭✭✭
✭1-5 Addons
Brilliant!I'm a Nord. What self-respecting Nord would know how to install an add-on, much less make use of one? A Nord takes his weapon and beats the tar out of whatever is in front of him until it no longer breathes. We don't monitor our enemy's DPS, we don't keep a catalog of his buffs and determine how long they're active for! We drink mead and beat stuff up with our weapons!
Crotchety Old Man Guild
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Allyah✭✭✭I intentionally do not use Addons (please give reason)I don't need them.
@GreySix
Have to disagree. We can thank the people who are willing to buy in-game-currency for the number of folks seeking to purchase gold. Let's not use gold-sinks as a scapegoat.And we can thank the number of gold-sinks in-game for the number of folks seeking to purchase gold.4 -
GreySix✭✭✭✭✭
✭1-5 AddonsI don't need them.
@GreySix
Have to disagree. We can thank the people who are willing to buy in-game-currency for the number of folks seeking to purchase gold. Let's not use gold-sinks as a scapegoat.And we can thank the number of gold-sinks in-game for the number of folks seeking to purchase gold.
Yeah, well they've got to be buying the gold for a reason ... other than hoarding it.Crotchety Old Man Guild
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AlexDougherty✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I intentionally do not use Addons (please give reason)I don't need them.
@GreySix
Have to disagree. We can thank the people who are willing to buy in-game-currency for the number of folks seeking to purchase gold. Let's not use gold-sinks as a scapegoat.And we can thank the number of gold-sinks in-game for the number of folks seeking to purchase gold.
Yeah, well they've got to be buying the gold for a reason ... other than hoarding it.
Yes, but what reason???
It's not enough to say there is a reason, we have to know what that reason is. Then we can get rid of the reason, and watch the goldsellers go ape.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
Wizard's first rule
Passion rules reason
Wizard's third rule
Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
Wizard's fifth rule
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
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babylon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭26+ Addons (I have a scroll bar in my Addon list)dennissomb16_ESO wrote: »dennissomb16_ESO wrote: »What I did say is allowing client side trust so people can create addons is one of the weakness, that "hackers" exploit to create their cheats.
What you don't understand (despite this already having been said many times in this very thread you keep posting in) is what addons can do is tightly controlled by ZOS.
It is not the addons that allow hacks and bots. Go ahead, take away all the addons and the same hacks and bots will still be in the game. Get it yet or are you going to repeat yourself again?
LOL, I simply can not believe you are asking me if I get it, yet continue to ignore what I am saying. Last attempt so I don't dislodge this thread any longer. It is NOT (you can see the not correct?) the addons that allow hacks and bots. It is the NEED to allow client modifications/interaction with the game so addons can be created/used, that allows HACKERS, to create hack programs that they use.
Still not with the program are we.
Again, if addons were not allowed in the game, the very same hacks and bots would still be in the game.
I even did a TL;DR: for you up there earlier...2 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I intentionally do not use Addons (please give reason)I don't use addons. As a solo PvE player who likes to explore I see no benefit in them, and they can create performance issues as well as offering unfair advantages to those who play competitively (although that doesn't bother me personally). I just have no interest in them, the default UI is absolutely fine for my purposes.2 -
GreySix✭✭✭✭✭
✭1-5 Addons
Mounts cost a lot of gold. I'm not that far into the game with my main (Level 29), and I can't yet afford a mount. And don't get me started on the outrageous prices for backpack upgrades!AlexDougherty wrote: »Yes, but what reason???
It's not enough to say there is a reason, we have to know what that reason is. Then we can get rid of the reason, and watch the goldsellers go ape.
I'm sure others can tell us about stuff that serves as gold-sinks.Crotchety Old Man Guild
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Allyah✭✭✭I intentionally do not use Addons (please give reason)
True enough. But it is the people buying the gold that are breaking the rules not the gold-sinks that are breaking the rules.
Yeah, well they've got to be buying the gold for a reason ... other than hoarding it.Edited by Allyah on 4 June 2014 15:001 -
GreySix✭✭✭✭✭
✭1-5 AddonsTrue enough. But it is the people buying the gold that are breaking the rules not the gold-sinks that are breaking the rules.
Well, yeah - obviously. Stating the causal factors for a thing does not equate to excusing the thing.Crotchety Old Man Guild
"Hey you, get off my lawn!"0 -
AlexDougherty✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I intentionally do not use Addons (please give reason)
Mounts cost a lot of gold. I'm not that far into the game with my main (Level 29), and I can't yet afford a mount. And don't get me started on the outrageous prices for backpack upgrades!AlexDougherty wrote: »Yes, but what reason???
It's not enough to say there is a reason, we have to know what that reason is. Then we can get rid of the reason, and watch the goldsellers go ape.
I'm sure others can tell us about stuff that serves as gold-sinks.
Yeah mounts are overpriced, I know they are supposed to be a gold sink, but gold sinks need to purchasable.
I'm just about getting enough money on my Templar (level 22) to be able to afford the 17,500G horse, and it's going to be a while on my other characters.
Maybe they should half the price for the horses, that way we can actually buy them, and those who can already afford them could buy several. And maybe then the Goldseller and Bots will die. O:)People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
Wizard's first rule
Passion rules reason
Wizard's third rule
Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
Wizard's fifth rule
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
Wizard's tenth rule1 -
Allyah✭✭✭I intentionally do not use Addons (please give reason)
Read the previous quotes.
Well, yeah - obviously. Stating the causal factors for a thing does not equate to excusing the thing. Here is when you seemed to miss the point.
True enough. But it is the people buying the gold that are breaking the rules not the gold-sinks that are breaking the rules. Here is where I tell you the reason doesn't matter.
Yeah, well they've got to be buying the gold for a reason ... other than hoarding it. Here you mentioned the reason people buy gold.
Have to disagree. We can thank the people who are willing to buy in-game-currency for the number of folks seeking to purchase gold. Let's not use gold-sinks as a scapegoat. Here I mentioned the fault of gold buying lies only on the person buying.And we can thank the number of gold-sinks in-game for the number of folks seeking to purchase gold. Here you blamed the gold sinks for gold buyers.Edited by Allyah on 4 June 2014 15:090 -
ZharaX✭✭✭I intentionally do not use Addons (please give reason)"I intentionally do not use Addons (please give reason)" Don't understand fully, I take it you mean: I do not use any addons.
Addons are for the weak, play the games as they are.
Remove this function entirely from the game, and I'm pretty sure bugs, bots, exploits will diminish a whole lot!!The picture on the wall is chaotic.
I don't want to look at it, but when I do,
I cannot speak because of the confusion in my head!0 -
JessieColt✭✭✭✭6-10 AddonsOevaag_Bur wrote: »Thought about a research timer and some other crafting ones early on but didn't fancy extra stuff on screen so didn't bother in the end.
Not really had a use for anything else so far. Though not done any real grouping yet so I don't entirely rule out using any in future.
They do not stay on your screen. You can call them up, and dismiss them, at will.
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zgrssd✭✭✭✭26+ Addons (I have a scroll bar in my Addon list)Could we please get back on topic? It is not goldselling, that much I am certain off.
It was already said enough times that Addons do not allow botting/hacking, nor do they in any way make botting/hacking easier. Despite this being a common misconception, it is objectively wrong.
Also problems with the internet sources you download addon or addon managers from are outside of the scope of of this poll.Edited by zgrssd on 4 June 2014 15:18Elana Peterson (EU), Dominion, Imperial Sorc, Rune & Alchemy Crafting Char
Leonida Peterson (EU), Daggerfall, Kajiit Nightblade, Tank & main Crafter
Kurga Peterson (EU), Ebonhart, Ork Dragonknight, Provision Mule
Coldblood Peterson (EU) Argonian Templer, Daggerfall, Healer
Incendia Peterson (EU), Dominion, Dunmer Dragonknight, fire DPS & healer
Haldor Belendor (EU), Ebonhart, Breton Sorcerer, Tank
Fuliminictus Peterson (EU), Ebonhart, Altmer Sorcerer, Electric DPS
Me babbling about PvE roles and Armor, Short Guide to Addon Programming (for Programmers)
If you think anything I or somebody else said violates the Rules of this Forum, you are free to flag my posts. Till I get any notifcaion from this, I just asume you know you have no case against me or Zenimax disagrees with you.1 -
SoupDragon✭✭✭1-5 AddonsI use three. One for lore books, one for undiscovered areas and one for remembering my junk. Started using them after I got to VR. Felt less like cheating for some reason.0 -
JessieColt✭✭✭✭6-10 Addons"I intentionally do not use Addons (please give reason)" Don't understand fully, I take it you mean: I do not use any addons.
Addons are for the weak, play the games as they are.
Remove this function entirely from the game, and I'm pretty sure bugs, bots, exploits will diminish a whole lot!!
LMAO, you are joking right?
Bugs in the game have nothing to do with add-ons.
Add-ons do not cause people to fall through the map.
Add-ons do not cause V1-10 content to suddenly be 10x harder.
Add-ons do not cause Passives not to work.
Bots do not run through the API, they run through LUA that is run along side the game. Removing add-ons will not stop the bots/hacks (Just askd BF4 that forbids add-ons yet is overrun with people using hacks).
Exploits? Add-ons display information that is already available within the game, but is not readily accessible, or easily viewable.
Add-ons cannot do anything else. Full Stop.
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JessieColt✭✭✭✭6-10 AddonsI don't use addons. As a solo PvE player who likes to explore I see no benefit in them, and they can create performance issues as well as offering unfair advantages to those who play competitively (although that doesn't bother me personally). I just have no interest in them, the default UI is absolutely fine for my purposes.
What "unfair" advantage do Add-ons allow?
The ability to see where your are going without having to stop every 50 meters and open the map?
The ability to see how much time is left on your research without having to go to a town with a crafting station?
The ability to see which traits and racials you know without having to run to a town with a crafting station?
The ability to see how much time is left before you need to feed your horse without having to run to a town with a stable to check the timer?
The ability to see what buffs are still active on your character without having to stop and open up the Character sheet to see the buffs and timers for them?
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Allyah✭✭✭I intentionally do not use Addons (please give reason)
Actually, I didn't. And if you concurred with my point it certainly wasn't apparent in anything you wrote. But if it makes you feel better...
Ah, so you're concurring with my point - got it, thanks.
Well, yeah - obviously. Stating the causal factors for a thing does not equate to excusing the thing. Here is when you seemed to miss the point.
True enough. But it is the people buying the gold that are breaking the rules not the gold-sinks that are breaking the rules. Here is where I tell you the reason doesn't matter.
Yeah, well they've got to be buying the gold for a reason ... other than hoarding it. Here you mentioned the reason people buy gold.
Have to disagree. We can thank the people who are willing to buy in-game-currency for the number of folks seeking to purchase gold. Let's not use gold-sinks as a scapegoat. Here I mentioned the fault of gold buying lies only on the person buying.And we can thank the number of gold-sinks in-game for the number of folks seeking to purchase gold. Here you blamed the gold sinks for gold buyers.0 -
GreySix✭✭✭✭✭
✭1-5 Addons
Friend, you're being deliberately obtuse.Actually, I didn't. And if you concurred with my point it certainly wasn't apparent in anything you wrote. But if it makes you feel better...
Either come to a point, or I'm afraid our conversation is at an end.Crotchety Old Man Guild
"Hey you, get off my lawn!"0 -
mcfaen✭11-15 AddonsMinimap, health % and numbers. Quick slot bar. Quest tracker. wykkyds to show a lot of info (bar). +++0 -
Allyah✭✭✭I intentionally do not use Addons (please give reason)
And here I thought it already was at an end.
Friend, you're being deliberately obtuse.
Well, yeah - obviously. Stating the causal factors for a thing does not equate to excusing the thing. Here is when you seemed to miss the point.
True enough. But it is the people buying the gold that are breaking the rules not the gold-sinks that are breaking the rules. Here is where I tell you the reason doesn't matter.
Yeah, well they've got to be buying the gold for a reason ... other than hoarding it. Here you mentioned the reason people buy gold.
Have to disagree. We can thank the people who are willing to buy in-game-currency for the number of folks seeking to purchase gold. Let's not use gold-sinks as a scapegoat. Here I mentioned the fault of gold buying lies only on the person buying.And we can thank the number of gold-sinks in-game for the number of folks seeking to purchase gold. Here you blamed the gold sinks for gold buyers.
Either come to a point, or I'm afraid our conversation is at an end.
But to explain:
You neither stated casual factors for gold buying nor did I say you were excusing it. Why you felt you needed to mention either is anyone's guess. You original statement was expressed in such a way that made it seem like the gold sinks are responsible for the buying of gold when really the responsibility lies only with the person who buys gold. That was my one and only point.
My apologies if there was miscommunication but it honestly seems like you were still trying to say it was the fault of gold-sinks in your other comments. If you disagree and think that the fault is on the gold sinks. Just say so directly and give a reason for it other than dancing around it and responding to something I never said.0 -
sylviermoone✭✭✭✭✭11-15 AddonsCurrently, I think I'm on the high side of 6-10 addons, but had a few I wanted to check out today, which will put me well into 11-15.
Like another poster, if I see something that is relevant to what I want to experience, I install it and check it out. If it doesn't jive with my play style, I get rid of it.
Currently I am using (in no particular order of usefulness): FTC, Advanced Autoloot, Wykkd's Mail Return, Lootdrop, Research Assistant, CRT (crafting research timer), Skyshard finder, lorebook finder, harvest map, horse feed timer, Clock (shows time in Tamriel and moon phase) AND Tamriel Time (for the date in game), Advanced Filters...
Wow. Perhaps I'm using more addons than I thought. Adding some today will put me near 20. How do I adjust my vote?!
My name is Sylviermoone, and now I feel like an add on junkie........Co-GM, Angry Unicorn Traders: PC/NA
"Official" Master Merchant Tech Support
and Differently Geared AF
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GreySix✭✭✭✭✭
✭1-5 Addons
Ah, then you did misunderstand. Here, I'll provide a helpful analogy:But to explain:
You neither stated casual factors for gold buying nor did I say you were excusing it. Why you felt you needed to mention either is anyone's guess. You original statement was expressed in such a way that made it seem like the gold sinks are responsible for the buying of gold when really the responsibility lies only with the person who buys gold. That was my one and only point.- Crime in the city of Memphis is high, because gangs prowl parts of the city and many inhabitants of the city are in poverty.
- Gangs and poverty are causal factors of crime in Memphis.
No. My assertion was, and remains that gold-sinks are causal factors for gold buyers -> thus gold-sellers -> thus botters and hackers.My apologies if there was miscommunication but it honestly seems like you were still trying to say it was the fault of gold-sinks in your other comments. If you disagree and think that the fault is on the gold sinks. Just say so directly and give a reason for it other than dancing around it and responding to something I never said.
At no point should that be confused as an excusing of botters or hackers. And any confusion upon that point is simply projection on the part of others.Crotchety Old Man Guild
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Bromburak✭✭✭✭✭1-5 AddonsFoundry Tactical combat with combatlog to analyze in/out damage and heals.
Don't need it for regular game play, only when testing new builds, skills and patches.
And my favorite Wykkyd's Outfitter for switching my skills and gear sets quickly.
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MrBeatDown✭✭✭✭I intentionally do not use Addons (please give reason)Who ever is making the bots for this game is loving all these free addons that they didn't even have to develop. They can simply modify them and that adds more fuel to the fire. Hell, if you make addons for this game since ZOS allows it, then you are basically contributing to the development of bots. AT YOUR EXPENSE. You don't get a dime out of it. There is nothing you can do at this point. Stop helping others exploit the game. These addons are just short cuts for bot developers. They spend virtually no time making them. Would love to see the addon you made with your name erased from the file and replaced by who ever modified your file. Its np. An ez steal.
It should not be condoned. Addons are bad in every way. This game is supposed to be out of Beta by now. Why aren't these GREAT ADDONS additions to the game?6 -
lovESOng✭✭✭26+ Addons (I have a scroll bar in my Addon list)I use a lot of addons. Most of them fix or enhance bank, crafting and guild store. Things that should be in the game in the first place.
For combat only FTC and Srendarr.2 -
Bromburak✭✭✭✭✭1-5 AddonsMrBeatDown wrote: »Addons are bad in every way.
You have no clue of customizable UI and accessibility.
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