How many addons do you use, if any?

zgrssd

26+ Addons (I have a scroll bar in my Addon list)

MrBeatDown wrote: »

Addons could also be used as plugins for bots and hacks

What could happen and what is happening are two very different things.
I could die from a Lightning strike the next second.

dennissomb16_ESO wrote: »

Sorry but I completely disagree. Ask blizzard after there massive lawsuit on the company that was selling an addon/mod that allowed players to essentially bot.

Addons in ESO cannot do that. Everything they can do has been explicilty allowed by Zenimax.
Doing anything more requires changes in the client wich are agaisnt the Terms of Service.

Also, did they loose the Lawsuit against the Firm making/distributing the hack/addon, or did they lost lawsuits against all the players they banned for using it?

Asawasa

21-25 Addons

25 and i have a scroll bar in minion. Batman Store Filter and Inventory Mod are two i think everyone should use. you lose so much functionality by denying yourself the advantage of addons.

KerinKor

I intentionally do not use Addons (please give reason)

dennissomb16_ESO wrote: »

zgrssd wrote: »

dennissomb16_ESO wrote: »

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I am sorry, but you knowledge is fundamentally wrong in the following parts:
Your first mistakle was mixing up Addons and Mods. Comparing them is like comparing a hungry T-Rex (Mods) to a housebroken dachshund (Addons).

Out of Date generally means nothing bad. Only it might not work anymore. So the game wants to make certain you know this might be a cause of problems.

There is no security risk. At tops we can set the Guild note and send a mail every 5 seconds - when you have the mail window open. I know only of one addon that uses it and it does so to send new ingame data to the Addon Programmer (like boss positions).

Addons cannot be used for botting. Every claim to the contrary is wrong. We can do almost nothing that requires only a single Mouse or Keypress. Inlcuding everything combat, movement and gathering related.
We can compress somethign that takes a lot of steps to fewer steps, but can rarely do the final step.

There is no unfair advantage with Addons. Everything Addons can do is explicitly allowed and made possible by Zenimax and thus been part of thier overall plan. If they think it would be unfair it they would switch one boolean value on the server and turn it off.

Sorry but I completely disagree. Ask blizzard after there massive lawsuit on the company that was selling an addon/mod that allowed players to essentially bot. Addons can allow this, the security risks remain no matter what you say. However what I was saying is the design to allow addons essentially allowing trust at the client end is what hackers are using to create their hacking programs
so far ESO has done a pretty good job of not allowing addons to give to much advantage, I agree with that, but so did so many other games in the beginning. time will tell

Do you really know what the WOWGlider case was about, the basis of the suit and the limited copyright grounds on which Blizzard won?

I don't think you do, because Blizzard's win in that suit has nothing whatsoever to do with this discussion .. WOWGlider was a HACK and has nothing to do with add-ons.

Also "addons can allows this" is only true if the API published by the game allow it, which is why Blizzard were able to break Decursive, and why this game is more bot-ridden than it needs to be because allegedly the API ESO exposes provides functions that allow ESO add-ons to 'bot' .. it's not a feature of add-ons per se that they can be used to create bots.

nerevarine1138

I intentionally do not use Addons (please give reason)

I don't use addons because I like the minimalist UI, and I hate having my screen filled up with flying numbers.

I don't know why I should have to provide a reason for liking the game the way it was designed.

KerinKor

I intentionally do not use Addons (please give reason)

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

I don't know why I should have to provide a reason for liking the game the way it was designed.

So why did you?

Drop the attitude, there's no should about it, the OP was clearly INVITING people to explain their decision.

MrBeatDown

I intentionally do not use Addons (please give reason)

zgrssd wrote: »

MrBeatDown wrote: »

Addons could also be used as plugins for bots and hacks

What could happen and what is happening are two very different things.
I could die from a Lightning strike the next second.

Its time to open up your eyes and visit the lower levels of this game. Botting is the reality. It is happening. And its because of addons. Don't be in denial of reality.

YOU GIVE A HACKER AN INCH, AND HE WILL TAKE A MILE! THANKS!

TazerReloaded

26+ Addons (I have a scroll bar in my Addon list)

Well, addons are for many players what advanced computer functions are for elder people: If you have no experience and no knowledge about how things work, don't use it, it will only cause trouble.
I have installed lots of addons and I had no disconnects or weird errors so far, not a single one. Sure, some addons do not work as intended yet or throw script errors for some people, but it's a new game and the addon authors fix bugs every day.
My computer isn't that new, but I have no performance problems, these few hundred lines of Lua code are nothing compared to the resources the 3D engine uses, the impact on fps is below 1%.

zgrssd

26+ Addons (I have a scroll bar in my Addon list)

Lodestar wrote: »

Good info that clarifies quite a bit.

May I suggest you add a condensed version of this info, particularly your first point at least, into your OP somewhere?

Can't edit my OP rightg now. Get a "Category Required" error from the save button.

GreySix

1-5 Addons

dennissomb16_ESO wrote: »

Its time to open up your eyes and visit the lower levels of this game. Botting is the reality. It is happening. And its because of addons. Don't be in denial of reality.

Which authorized add-ons are the bots using?

MrBeatDown

I intentionally do not use Addons (please give reason)

GreySix wrote: »

dennissomb16_ESO wrote: »

Its time to open up your eyes and visit the lower levels of this game. Botting is the reality. It is happening. And its because of addons. Don't be in denial of reality.

Which authorized add-ons are the bots using?

Who said they were authorized? There is obviously no way to detect them. They designed them just like all the other Addons that are being used right now. They would have to detect all addons that are running and ban all of them to get rid of it. That's why addons should have never been allowed in the first place.

nerevarine1138

I intentionally do not use Addons (please give reason)

KerinKor wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

I don't know why I should have to provide a reason for liking the game the way it was designed.

So why did you?

Drop the attitude, there's no should about it, the OP was clearly INVITING people to explain their decision.

And I was clearly unsure of why anyone should have to be INVITED (see, I can use caps too!) to explain why I'm not adding anything to the game. If anything, I would understand asking people who do use add-ons to please explain why they feel the need to instead of acting like not using them is some sort of anomaly.

GreySix

1-5 Addons

MrBeatDown wrote: »

GreySix wrote: »

dennissomb16_ESO wrote: »

Its time to open up your eyes and visit the lower levels of this game. Botting is the reality. It is happening. And its because of addons. Don't be in denial of reality.

Which authorized add-ons are the bots using?

Who said they were authorized? There is obviously no way to detect them.

Add-ons are not hacks.

Hacks are hacks, and there are plenty of them out there. Simply google "ESO hacks" and you'll find dozens.

No addon I've found allows flying, clipping, traveling underground, teleporting - or any other number of hacks we've seen in-game.

babylon

26+ Addons (I have a scroll bar in my Addon list)

MrBeatDown wrote: »

Who said they were authorized? There is obviously no way to detect them. They designed them just like all the other Addons that are being used right now. They would have to detect all addons that are running and ban all of them to get rid of it. That's why addons should have never been allowed in the first place.

What addons can do in this game is controlled. The bot scripts are running their own set of instructions well outside of the scope of what addons in ESO will let people do.

dennissomb16_ESO

I intentionally do not use Addons (please give reason)

zgrssd wrote: »

MrBeatDown wrote: »

Addons could also be used as plugins for bots and hacks

What could happen and what is happening are two very different things.
I could die from a Lightning strike the next second.

dennissomb16_ESO wrote: »

Sorry but I completely disagree. Ask blizzard after there massive lawsuit on the company that was selling an addon/mod that allowed players to essentially bot.

Addons in ESO cannot do that. Everything they can do has been explicilty allowed by Zenimax.
Doing anything more requires changes in the client wich are agaisnt the Terms of Service.

Also, did they loose the Lawsuit against the Firm making/distributing the hack/addon, or did they lost lawsuits against all the players they banned for using it?

Blizzard actually won the lawsuit against the company that created the addon (several million dollars). They are now involved in some new lawsuit but forget what it is.
I understand btw that Zenimax is limiting addon capabilities ( I applaud them for that), unfortunately that doesn't stop the hackers which is one of the reasons I dislike addon capability

zgrssd

26+ Addons (I have a scroll bar in my Addon list)

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

I don't know why I should have to provide a reason for liking the game the way it was designed.

I said "please provide a reason". There is nothing forcing you to do so. You can Vote jsut fine without writing a comment. I thank you for giving us your reason.

I have not really though through why I asked that before, but I think it is so I can more effectively clean up misconceptions about Addons.

meghuskoow

11-15 Addons

I would like to see a lil more funtionality for the UI, not necisarily in the fighting or world traveling, but in menues. I am a completionist, I work to finish every zone before moving on. This puts me at completing a zone in higher level and killi g tons of random mobs.

If there was more map and compass functionality I would be more pleased as well as fast small indicators on what I have like xp or bag space or horse timer and so on. I try to keep my immersion but I am information spoiled, and need to know fasr what I have or need.

zgrssd

26+ Addons (I have a scroll bar in my Addon list)

dennissomb16_ESO wrote: »

I understand btw that Zenimax is limiting addon capabilities ( I applaud them for that), unfortunately that doesn't stop the hackers which is one of the reasons I dislike addon capability

Not giving a Addon API does not make hacking the game any harder.
So in turn providing it does not make it easier as well.

babylon

26+ Addons (I have a scroll bar in my Addon list)

dennissomb16_ESO wrote: »

I understand btw that Zenimax is limiting addon capabilities ( I applaud them for that), unfortunately that doesn't stop the hackers which is one of the reasons I dislike addon capability

You can't blame addons for people making bots and hacks - a game without addons have the same bots and hacks, so direct your attention and anger directly at the people who make bots and hacks, and not at ZOS for allowing addons, and not at the addon makers, and not at people who use the addons.

TL;DR: bots and hacks would be in the game regardless of addons.

GreySix

1-5 Addons

Think of authorized addons as a means for ZOS to curb unauthorized hacking. They say, "Here are the left and right limits on addons."

Then they can go after the unauthorized hacks. You'll note that hackers of ESO out there don't generally call their hacks addons.

They call them what they are - hacks or mods.

Gwarok

1-5 Addons

...and will probably add more as time goes on.

I use to be against add-ons but I am finding some are becoming quite useful and very informative especially the combat and/or data logs. I'll say one thing there are a couple shows that @ZOS 's "Death Recall" is severely mis-informative and highly inaccurate. You want to know the truth about what really kicked your arse? Pick up Combat Log Statistics (CLS) There's at least 15 extra slaps to the face "Death Recall" isn't telling you about and proves that mobs are dishing out 3-1 ratio MORE combat "moves" than what we can dish out in the OP Veteran zones.

Coggage

26+ Addons (I have a scroll bar in my Addon list)

dennissomb16_ESO wrote: »

Another issue for me is security. Just like Apps on your smart phone, many of them are used for tracking your online activities and there is simply no way to vet the people making mods for games

From a gaming point of view, Producers allowing the client side trust for mods to work is one of the main reasons the door is open for Bots, hackers etc.

You really do have no idea what you're talking about, do you. Thinking that addons can hack your game or track your online activity is ridiculous.

We had one long thread not long ago devoted to addons and how they let people "cheat" and I repeatedly challenged people to name ONE addon that allows actual cheating. Guess what... no-one was able to list even one. Go ahead though, you go and show me these addons that do all these mysterious things you attribute to them.

MrBeatDown

I intentionally do not use Addons (please give reason)

"dennissomb16_ESO wrote: »

I understand btw that Zenimax is limiting addon capabilities ( I applaud them for that), unfortunately that doesn't stop the hackers which is one of the reasons I dislike addon capability

That's why I think addons should not be allowed. The ones using them will defend them till the end. But the source code has already been cracked, The values harvested, and now they use the addons capabilities for bot programs, to allow pathing and identifying of whatever they want. I wouldn't be surprised if Eso allowed the creation of one of the best undetected bot programs in gaming history. They opened there selves up to such vulnerability by allowing this. Pretty soon well have a hex editor we can use to create our own items and import them into the game. Wont that be fun.

Sorry, no chance I can defend addons.

Coggage

26+ Addons (I have a scroll bar in my Addon list)

MrBeatDown wrote: »

I do not use or condone the use of addons. It opens this game up to too many problems, such as bots, hacks, dupes, etc. And it gives other players an unfair advantage over others.

Oh, great, another person with no idea how addons work. As I have done previously to others, I challenge you to name a mod that allows actual cheating. I know you won't be able to, because such addons don't exist. Still, off you go and find one...

dennissomb16_ESO

I intentionally do not use Addons (please give reason)

Coggage wrote: »

dennissomb16_ESO wrote: »

Another issue for me is security. Just like Apps on your smart phone, many of them are used for tracking your online activities and there is simply no way to vet the people making mods for games

From a gaming point of view, Producers allowing the client side trust for mods to work is one of the main reasons the door is open for Bots, hackers etc.

You really do have no idea what you're talking about, do you. Thinking that addons can hack your game or track your online activity is ridiculous.

We had one long thread not long ago devoted to addons and how they let people "cheat" and I repeatedly challenged people to name ONE addon that allows actual cheating. Guess what... no-one was able to list even one. Go ahead though, you go and show me these addons that do all these mysterious things you attribute to them.

such hostility and such assumptions. I did not say addons allow cheating. Go ahead, go back to my threads, read them again. What I did say is allowing client side trust so people can create addons is one of the weakness, that "hackers" exploit to create their cheats.

As far as my statement around addons tracking/hacking my game. No I have no proof, but there is no way in hell I am going to trust some third party unknown addon producer and download their software to my computer, simple as that. You see 1000's of stories on the internet about Trojans, keyloggers programs etc being downloaded to people PC from simply visiting bad web sites, so why am I trusting completely unkown producers to download their program unto my PC? Likely nothing will ever happen but risk not worth the reward for me personally

babylon

26+ Addons (I have a scroll bar in my Addon list)

dennissomb16_ESO wrote: »

What I did say is allowing client side trust so people can create addons is one of the weakness, that "hackers" exploit to create their cheats.

What you don't understand (despite this already having been said many times in this very thread you keep posting in) is what addons can do is tightly controlled by ZOS.

It is not the addons that allow hacks and bots. Go ahead, take away all the addons and the same hacks and bots will still be in the game. Get it yet or are you going to repeat yourself again?

MrBeatDown

I intentionally do not use Addons (please give reason)

Coggage wrote: »

Oh, great, another person with no idea how addons work. As I have done previously to others, I challenge you to name a mod that allows actual cheating. I know you won't be able to, because such addons don't exist. Still, off you go and find one...

Oh, great, another person with no idea how addons work. You are one of those that defends using addons but refuses to accept the abuses that addons allow. It promotes cheating and is used as a tool for cheating and creates an environment that gives other players an unfair advantage over others that choose not to use 3rd party software. The abuses that arrived and are here now are a result of allowing 3rd party software to operate with this game. Plain and simple. You DO NOT KNOW HOW ADDONS WORK OR HOW THEY CAN BE ABUSED. And I cant tell you one hack, bot, program, script, etc etc etc that ive ever seen hit the market, until after someone profited big time off of it. But I do know of several of them and im very fluent with how they operate for other games. They don't just release stuff to the public as soon as its made. They keep a small group of people working on it and perfecting it until they decided its time to sell the Program they made for money. Then they develop addons/plugins as they continue to distribute the software to keep it updated. That's how the pro's do it anyway. Its not a one man team, but they all get payed good doing it. The addons that are out right now, are being used for bots. STOP BEING IN DENIAL. I HAVE USED BOTS AND ADDONS IN OTHER GAMES FOR SEVERAL YEARS, AND I DO KNOW PEOPLE PERSONALLY THAT MADE GREAT MONEY DOING IT. And lets not forget all the free bots that are out for old games. There is several. If you want to understand how addons work, you should go download the oldschool bots run them on the games, and tear them down. That's what everybody else was doing back in the day. Some games will never be bot free, all you have to do is crack the source, the addons are the extra pep that keeps them running smoothly and interact with the game to send and receive the information that they need to run properly.


NOOBS AND THERE ADDONS!!

GreySix

1-5 Addons

dennissomb16_ESO wrote: »

What I did say is allowing client side trust so people can create hacks is one of the weakness, that "hackers" exploit to create their cheats.

Fixed, for accuracy.

babylon

26+ Addons (I have a scroll bar in my Addon list)

MrBeatDown wrote: »

I HAVE USED BOTS AND ADDONS IN OTHER GAMES FOR SEVERAL YEARS, AND I DO KNOW PEOPLE PERSONALLY THAT MADE GREAT MONEY DOING IT.

Wait what...you just admitted to hacking and botting in games...in capslock >.>

Reivax

I intentionally do not use Addons (please give reason)

I'm a Nord. What self-respecting Nord would know how to install an add-on, much less make use of one? A Nord takes his weapon and beats the tar out of whatever is in front of him until it no longer breathes. We don't monitor our enemy's DPS, we don't keep a catalog of his buffs and determine how long they're active for! We drink mead and beat stuff up with our weapons!

The game already tells me everything I need to know.
I can tell when my buffs are active, I can see when they're not. I mean, I've got spikes growing out my back! When they go away, ta-da! Buff is down!
I know when I'm dying, the screen changes color to let me know I'm low on health and I'm currently getting my butt handed to me.
Plenty of visual indicators. I don't need to know my damage per second. I prefer it realistic, and only knowing what my two PC's eyes and ears would be telling him/me. It's much more fun that way for me.

dennissomb16_ESO

I intentionally do not use Addons (please give reason)

babylon wrote: »

dennissomb16_ESO wrote: »

What I did say is allowing client side trust so people can create addons is one of the weakness, that "hackers" exploit to create their cheats.

What you don't understand (despite this already having been said many times in this very thread you keep posting in) is what addons can do is tightly controlled by ZOS.

It is not the addons that allow hacks and bots. Go ahead, take away all the addons and the same hacks and bots will still be in the game. Get it yet or are you going to repeat yourself again?

LOL, I simply can not believe you are asking me if I get it, yet continue to ignore what I am saying. Last attempt so I don't dislodge this thread any longer. It is NOT (you can see the not correct?) the addons that allow hacks and bots. It is the NEED to allow client modifications/interaction with the game so addons can be created/used, that allows HACKERS, to create hack programs that they use.

Mods however are to popular and also save producers a ton of development costs, so they are not going away