Why is this game getting so much hate?

hauke · June 2014

actually lag because the so called"european" 2nd american server is in texas, not even in new york close to europe but in TEXAS creates so much lag for europeans and being lied to, calling a american server in texas "european server" wow as a european i feel so much hate because of the lag because of the lie

NerfEverything · June 2014

Getting wrecked by a trash mob, I have no problem with that, I like hard games, I like hard fights. What I don't like is hard fights because my class is broken. I can play perfectly and eek out every point of DPS possible, and still not be preforming at the level of an average DK or Sorc playing with one hand and eating a taco.

The game was fun 1-50, although too easy. I had fun the first half of the vet levels, but when Templar got nerfed and then I hit VR12 and realized my class was unwanted, it was time to cancel.

AngryNord · June 2014

true2moon_ESO wrote: »

AngryNord wrote: »

Voicing concerns over legitimate issues != hate

1st of all any of you defending the current game state obviously dont PvP or even play that much.

its a decent game, but its not at a state to charge $15 a month. As mentioned above most pvp players cant even play the game.

I took a week off due to bug and massive lag issues on wabbajack, I log in last night and I play for 10 min, get lagged out, then try to log back in to "unknown error occured" x3, finally get back in 10 min later, and I am dead, so I respawn at forward camp, and I appear dead, game lags out to menu screen, another "unknown error occured", I try to log in, I get loading screen for 10 min, alt+f4, relog in, get "unknown error occured", relog again, and I get another endless loading screen for 10 min, and then I just *** quit.

How am I suppose to enjoy this?? I cant even play the game I am paying for, but yet I am suppose to be happy?! I mean this on top of the already horrible bugs, like caltrops, which basically negates any reason to use seige weapons, which has been around for weeks, and yet they are just addressing this today?!

please save all your bull *** about what you think about players when you dont actually play this game. this game played better in beta, which is a joke. a bad one at that. they push this new content and dont even test it, and the player base suffers for it, and yet we are suppose to keep paying for this?! I am sorry but that is just ridiculous for you to assume.

they need to give back some game time for their *** ups, and you wont see that happening....

oh and SWTOR is a great comparison, they *** up the PvP system, and the players left the game, same thing happening here in ESO. Players are pissed because we were promised a PvP game, and we got sub-par PvE with a team that places little to no concern on PvP. Something happens in PvE they fix it the next day, while the PvP bugs just go on and on, like an after thought.

Why are you attacking _me_?? I mostly agree with you... "!=" means "does not equal".

mutharex · June 2014

steveb16_ESO46 wrote: »

mutharex wrote: »

It's not free, it's not a wowclone and it tries to do things 'differently'

By not allowing people to group up, flooding the land with bots and breaking more stuff with every patch and replacing end-game content with non-end game content?

'Different' I'll grant you.

No, that's actually where it sticks to a classic MMO formula....

Khivas_Carrick · June 2014

Millionaires wrote: »

flguy147ub17_ESO wrote: »

I am not an investor, I am a customer, I don't pay money to wait for them to fix all the bugs, exploits, and broken mechanics. I pay money to play a product that is fun and works correctly. And that isnt this game and the bugs, exploits and broken mechanics are the #1 reason i havent played much at all this whole weekend. I know there is no game that is perfect without any bugs but this is the worst I have seen in a decade of playing MMOs.

This game is fun and it plays correctly, Zenimax cannot cater to your combat needs as everyone has a different opinion. They cannot make the game balanced/fair for everyones tastes, they can try and fail, but that's it, you need to accept this, and the fact you say you have MMO experience just raises this further. Their is not one game on the market that is perfect and appeals to everyone, so how is 'broken mechanics' a viable rant?

thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »

Most people are complaining because:
50% of the base classes are not wanted for high end content (because they are subpar)

stamina based builds are a joke compared to magicka based builds (that adds another decent % to the unwanted)

tanks do better in light armor than they do in heavy

bots everywhere

bugs everywhere

no trade chat

horrible guild store interface(or no AH, take your pick)

forced to grind quests at vet levels

And the list goes on, there is plenty to complain about. That's not saying that there aren't good things as well, but you can only polish a turd for so long, and all that.

Personal opinion.
Personal opinion.
Personal opinion.
Every MMORPG has bots, find me one that doesn't.
Personal opinion.
Guilds?
Personal opinion.
Personal opinion.

You're looking at the bad, instead of the good. It's this that you refuse to even look at, instead bad things are clouding your mind.

These are not personal opinions, this is fact. It's been proven by the playerbase no less to be fact,time and time again. You're refusal to believe this notion and established fact is an opinion.

mutharex · June 2014

ROFl this is turning out to be Thread of the month
Oh the classic "we cannot group up", I wonder how me and all those other people manage to play in group. I'll tell them they are doing it wrong

I repeat something not repeated enough: TESO isn't dumb proof. Sorry

Dusty5 · June 2014

Sorry to rain on your post but as a paying customer I expect a finished product. IF you still seek answers do a net search of mmo review sites. This ship is headed to the bottom, the industry pier reviews say so,the people who paid for the game say so. Even Forbes the investor magazine has reported on ZOS and is giving a warning to people stay away.

Sangrial91 · June 2014

No game is perfect at release, folks. Stop crying, give constructive feedback, report bugs and bots. And have patience with this gorgeous game.

GreySix · June 2014

mutharex wrote: »

ROFl this is turning out to be Thread of the month
Oh the classic "we cannot group up", I wonder how me and all those other people manage to play in group. I'll tell them they are doing it wrong

Are you able to remain grouped in the main story instances, the Fighters Guild instances, or the Mages Guild instances?

If you've found a way to crack that nut, I'm all ears.

ExiledKhallisi · June 2014

this game is brilliant and beautiful. every single mmorpg had the same issues and worse in the first 7 WEEKS...

lrn2patience.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Flaming]

jquestb16_ESO2 · June 2014

thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »

Most people are complaining because:
50% of the base classes are not wanted for high end content (because they are subpar)

stamina based builds are a joke compared to magicka based builds (that adds another decent % to the unwanted)

tanks do better in light armor than they do in heavy

bots everywhere

bugs everywhere

no trade chat

horrible guild store interface(or no AH, take your pick)

forced to grind quests at vet levels

And the list goes on, there is plenty to complain about. That's not saying that there aren't good things as well, but you can only polish a turd for so long, and all that.

Not to mention they do stealth nerfs without telling the community, bring down servers with little to no warning, random rollbacks. They try to deal with bots by gimping classes so it makes it harder to bot??? the logic behind this amazes me. Yeah it's a beautiful game and has potential. The way they are handling fixes and bots is poor.

Crisscross · June 2014

Skroof wrote: »

If this game is not your cup of tea then find one that is, it's not like there are not a ton of mmorpg's on the market to play, some of them are even free to play... If you truly dislike this game so much then do us all a favor and state your reason for not liking it then just go... jeesh...

It is my cup of tea. The problem is that the cup is broken and the tea is all over the floor. What we're all yelling about is for them to fix it which would be, gasp, a good thing for everyone.

ExiledKhallisi · June 2014

Bayezid wrote: »

well,reviewers like Shoddycast and Angry Joe don't like this game. Most of my guild and players i met are getting bored of this game.

So clearly,there is some legitimate reason why this game is failing.

It needs to get out of the identity crisis and stop innovating in the wrong areas!

AngryJoe still plays and is leader of a guild..... Fail.

steveb16_ESO46 · June 2014

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

every single mmorpg had the same issues and worse in the first 7 WEEKS...

lrn2patience.

No they didn't. Repeating things, (despite your erudite use of cliches, 2008 would probably like back when you've finished over-using them) doesn't make them true.

fredarbonab14_ESO · June 2014

It's too an elegant game for a too small-minded and mean gaming 'MMO culture' we find ourselves in because the inmates have overrun the asylum. This is not just in gaming you see this, in sports, politics, etc. Its part of the 'freedom of the Internet', where every lower form gets to give his opinion instantly; in sports (NFL) I can't stomach its writers or 'fans' any longer, its like listening to zoo animals. In politics its even worse - they actually get to vote who gets in office, now that is when the uprising by the mentally-challenged really has gotten serious, and dangerous.

Crumpy · June 2014

Really? He seemed so, I dunno, angry with the game I just assumed he'd been unable to continue playing due to apoplectic seizures.

roflcopter · June 2014

Crisscross wrote: »

Skroof wrote: »

If this game is not your cup of tea then find one that is, it's not like there are not a ton of mmorpg's on the market to play, some of them are even free to play... If you truly dislike this game so much then do us all a favor and state your reason for not liking it then just go... jeesh...

It is my cup of tea. The problem is that the cup is broken and the tea is all over the floor. What we're all yelling about is for them to fix it which would be, gasp, a good thing for everyone.

They haven't fixed anything since launch? Not a single thing to show that they are fixing things that need to be fixed? They are just letting your tea just seep through the floor ruining that precious pergo?

They are not just sitting there twiddling there thumbs and certainly not the fictitious magicians that we would all want them to be and make all the bugs disappear at the wave of a wand.

Them fixing issues and them fixing specific issues YOU want or think are more important are two different things. CHILLLLLLLLZ

WilliamTee · June 2014

Mortelus wrote: »

Lets look at this for a moment. It's a pretty risky idea, I mean gamers are a pretty fickle bunch. The fact is, if this is true, Zeni are risking their console version dying even before launch. As it stands now, if I was a console player waiting for this game to be released I would not be making a purchase of it after visiting these boards. Had it released weeks ago when it was due for release, then I would have because everything seemed ok then.

It's a pretty silly business idea to me. Release something below par that will annoy a large portion of your customer base. Then expect to sell the same product a few months later to a new customer base and hope they haven't seen or read of your previous failings.

Personally I think Zeni dropped the bomb with the BOT invasion and now their precious time is being wasted on this rather than fully focusing on developing the game.

@Mortelus‌ The thing is, in my experience the core console gamer market tends to be made up of a VERY different breed to PC gamers. The only console I own is a knackered old Wii i use for drinking games. Most of my mates have consoles, and then non-gaming spec laptops/netbooks for browsing the internet... quickly being replaced by ipads and the like.

Those who played Skyrim on PC probably didn't quite appreciate just how huge a success it was on console... maybe cos they were too busy being distracted by their player-made mods, exploding chickens and such.

Personally I found it really rather bizarre that all my RL mates were suddenly playing the same game as me, normally we had very little overlap between our two different worlds of gaming.

It's very apparent that this game has been built from the ground up to be console compatible - hence only 6 abilities at a time (I have like 40 keybound abilities in WOW), and the very basic, frustratingly limited UIs for storage/sales.

It's built to be played without a keyboard or mouse.

The recent announcement that for a small fee you can jump ship to the console? Honestly scares me more than anything.

I'd agree however that it's a bad business plan to target the console market as a priority...

I remember playing C&C Red Alert, a truly awesome PC strategy game for its time...

But playing it on Playstation made me want to cry.

Some genres simply do not translate well from PC to console.

captain_awesome · June 2014

Easy to answer, I'll answer it for ya like this:

1. The game was massively exploited by duping and they did not do a good job cleaning that up, many people still in game with exploited gold and material. Economy is busted up because of this.
2. Class balance is terrible. All players in light armour with destro/resto staves.
3. stamina magicka builds massively different in capability.
4. bugged skills that should have been fixed in beta are still bugged now.
5. bugged and exploitable skills allowing 9 minute trial runs.
6. people exploited getting the emperor title a LOT, this devalued pvp. pvp is now dead.
7. NB/Templar classes. Currently 50% of all available classes are broken and have very few choices in builds.
8. communication from Zos regarding balance is terrible. No When what why how patch notes - just vague non-committal notes and comments.

I hope that sums it up for ya

ExiledKhallisi · June 2014

steveb16_ESO46 wrote: »

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

every single mmorpg had the same issues and worse in the first 7 WEEKS...

lrn2patience.

No they didn't. Repeating things, (despite your erudite use of cliches, 2008 would probably like back when you've finished over-using them) doesn't make them true.

Yes they did and do.

Wow:
- Botted to *** in first 5 days of release. (Bot problem so bad they stopped caring)
-Speedhack and flyhack created in first 2 weeks, never been fixed ever, been covered up by blizzard and temporarily hotfixed several times. but never eradicated.
-Gold farmers literally destroyed economy o every server in first month of release. They never recovered until blizzard made gold practically useless making it easy to aquire.
-Extremeclassimbalance first year of game. See rogues 1 shotting people with barman shanker and mages pom pyro bug.

Everquest:
-Do i need to post all the bugs that have never been fixed?
-warp hack
-botting

Eve
-Hacked and botted to oblivion, now the game has a fanboy following, Starting the game now is near pointless as you will never get anywhere or anything without real life $$$ or years of your life invested.

Asherons Call:

-Speed hack from day 1 that worked with Unreal Tournament also worked in the game and has never been fixed.

Look it up, shut up with this nonsense before babbling. Every mmo has these problems the game has been out for 7 weeks.... deal with it or leave. It's like 90% of you have never played an MMO before.

roflcopter · June 2014

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

steveb16_ESO46 wrote: »

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

every single mmorpg had the same issues and worse in the first 7 WEEKS...

lrn2patience.

No they didn't. Repeating things, (despite your erudite use of cliches, 2008 would probably like back when you've finished over-using them) doesn't make them true.

Yes they did and do.

Wow:
- Botted to *** in first 5 days of release. (Bot problem so bad they stopped caring)
-Speedhack and flyhack created in first 2 weeks, never been fixed ever, been covered up by blizzard and temporarily hotfixed several times. but never eradicated.
-Gold farmers literally destroyed economy o every server in first month of release. They never recovered until blizzard made gold practically useless making it easy to aquire.
-Extremeclassimbalance first year of game. See rogues 1 shotting people with barman shanker and mages pom pyro bug.

Everquest:
-Do i need to post all the bugs that have never been fixed?
-warp hack
-botting

Eve
-Hacked and botted to oblivion, now the game has a fanboy following, Starting the game now is near pointless as you will never get anywhere or anything without real life $$$ or years of your life invested.

Asherons Call:

-Speed hack from day 1 that worked with Unreal Tournament also worked in the game and has never been fixed.

Look it up, shut up with this nonsense before babbling. Every mmo has these problems the game has been out for 7 weeks.... deal with it or leave. It's like 90% of you have never played an MMO before.

Adding to your list

AOC bug ridden from the get go, was terrible. Most raids / dungeons were unplalyable, so many exploits...soooo many.

Darkfall, The first week you couldn't even log in and character creation was so F**d up and deleted chars after you created. I wound up with a female char called Mr. T after my eleventieth attempt to create. Not to mention all the hacks and exploits there.

Mortal online, PVP and hitboxes were so bad that it pretty much rendered unplayable, not to mention all the broken skills for months.

Saerydoth · June 2014

Like I said in another thread, there are 2 groups of ESO "players".

1) the small but vocal minority on the forums complaining about how bad the game is and how it is dead
2) the silent majority who is happy with the game and playing the game instead of whining on the forums

Crisscross · June 2014

roflcopter wrote: »

Crisscross wrote: »

Skroof wrote: »

If this game is not your cup of tea then find one that is, it's not like there are not a ton of mmorpg's on the market to play, some of them are even free to play... If you truly dislike this game so much then do us all a favor and state your reason for not liking it then just go... jeesh...

It is my cup of tea. The problem is that the cup is broken and the tea is all over the floor. What we're all yelling about is for them to fix it which would be, gasp, a good thing for everyone.

They haven't fixed anything since launch? Not a single thing to show that they are fixing things that need to be fixed? They are just letting your tea just seep through the floor ruining that precious pergo?

They are not just sitting there twiddling there thumbs and certainly not the fictitious magicians that we would all want them to be and make all the bugs disappear at the wave of a wand.

Them fixing issues and them fixing specific issues YOU want or think are more important are two different things. CHILLLLLLLLZ

O.o Okay?

I was replying to the person who was trying to suggest that all our issues were just matters of us not liking the game based on personal taste. That's the main problem in this thread, the fanboys or casuals that don't care about the game and only live in their own little world and insist that everything is fine and we're all imagining things.

GreySix · June 2014

Saerydoth wrote: »

Like I said in another thread, there are 2 groups of ESO "players".

1) the small but vocal minority on the forums complaining about how bad the game is and how it is dead
2) the silent majority who is happy with the game and playing the game instead of whining on the forums

No, there is a third group that is often ignored:

3) Those who find a lot they like about ESO but see shortfalls they would like to see corrected.

Saerydoth · June 2014

GreySix wrote: »

Saerydoth wrote: »

Like I said in another thread, there are 2 groups of ESO "players".

1) the small but vocal minority on the forums complaining about how bad the game is and how it is dead
2) the silent majority who is happy with the game and playing the game instead of whining on the forums

No, there is a third group that is often ignored:

3) Those who find a lot they like about ESO but see shortfalls they would like to see corrected.

I'm actually one of those. But I don't whine on the forums, I give constructive suggestions.

GreySix · June 2014

Saerydoth wrote: »

GreySix wrote: »

Saerydoth wrote: »

Like I said in another thread, there are 2 groups of ESO "players".

1) the small but vocal minority on the forums complaining about how bad the game is and how it is dead
2) the silent majority who is happy with the game and playing the game instead of whining on the forums

No, there is a third group that is often ignored:

3) Those who find a lot they like about ESO but see shortfalls they would like to see corrected.

I'm actually one of those. But I don't whine on the forums, I give constructive suggestions.

Outstanding!

I've done the same, but sadly have met with mostly personal attacks for doing so.

Ryudar · June 2014

Teso HAS issues/problems/bugs.

But most people on these forums just explode in pure hatred.

Teso is, by far, playable, enjoyable and in my eyes, very good. Saying that this game pure garbage ist just completely wrong in my opinion.

All the problems right now are things which can and I'm sure will be fixed, given the time. But I agree that Zenimax needs to step up and start updating their customers more frequently.

In other MMOs, there would be patches almost every day. Right now I think Zenimax is trying to release a very huge Patch with all the fixes and balance stuff added. But they HAVE to tell people. Especially because of the angered customers.

If the next patch doesn't contain a huge chunk of fixes, they really need to start thinking about an emergency solution.

That said, I'll subscribe this game until it dies or if I loose interest (don't think so).

babylon · June 2014

GreySix wrote: »

Saerydoth wrote: »

GreySix wrote: »

Saerydoth wrote: »

Like I said in another thread, there are 2 groups of ESO "players".

1) the small but vocal minority on the forums complaining about how bad the game is and how it is dead
2) the silent majority who is happy with the game and playing the game instead of whining on the forums

No, there is a third group that is often ignored:

3) Those who find a lot they like about ESO but see shortfalls they would like to see corrected.

I'm actually one of those. But I don't whine on the forums, I give constructive suggestions.

Outstanding!

I've done the same, but sadly have met with mostly personal attacks for doing so.

The fanbois of a game are always the true gamewreckers as they're the ones who try to shut down discussions.

With those guys anything you say isn't feedback or constructive criticism or ideas to help improve a game, you're invariably accused of asking for an iwin button and should leave because the game is perfect as it is and does not need you...and so on.

sparks60188b14_ESO · June 2014

WilliamTee wrote: »

Mortelus wrote: »

Lets look at this for a moment. It's a pretty risky idea, I mean gamers are a pretty fickle bunch. The fact is, if this is true, Zeni are risking their console version dying even before launch. As it stands now, if I was a console player waiting for this game to be released I would not be making a purchase of it after visiting these boards. Had it released weeks ago when it was due for release, then I would have because everything seemed ok then.

It's a pretty silly business idea to me. Release something below par that will annoy a large portion of your customer base. Then expect to sell the same product a few months later to a new customer base and hope they haven't seen or read of your previous failings.

Personally I think Zeni dropped the bomb with the BOT invasion and now their precious time is being wasted on this rather than fully focusing on developing the game.

@Mortelus‌ The thing is, in my experience the core console gamer market tends to be made up of a VERY different breed to PC gamers. The only console I own is a knackered old Wii i use for drinking games. Most of my mates have consoles, and then non-gaming spec laptops/netbooks for browsing the internet... quickly being replaced by ipads and the like.

Those who played Skyrim on PC probably didn't quite appreciate just how huge a success it was on console... maybe cos they were too busy being distracted by their player-made mods, exploding chickens and such.

Personally I found it really rather bizarre that all my RL mates were suddenly playing the same game as me, normally we had very little overlap between our two different worlds of gaming.

It's very apparent that this game has been built from the ground up to be console compatible - hence only 6 abilities at a time (I have like 40 keybound abilities in WOW), and the very basic, frustratingly limited UIs for storage/sales.

It's built to be played without a keyboard or mouse.

The recent announcement that for a small fee you can jump ship to the console? Honestly scares me more than anything.

I'd agree however that it's a bad business plan to target the console market as a priority...

I remember playing C&C Red Alert, a truly awesome PC strategy game for its time...

But playing it on Playstation made me want to cry.

Some genres simply do not translate well from PC to console.

There are many who like it tho. This is the kind of player who wants to hook it up to their 50 inch giant flat screens hooked up to their stereo system, kick back on a comfy sofa with a game pad in their hands.

temjiu · June 2014

KerinKor wrote: »

WilliamTee wrote: »

but it's been a while since such an anticipated MMO was released... many will not know/have forgotten how troubled releases are, and many others will have been drawn in from the TES single-player market.

SW:TOR was only a few years ago and I suggest ESO is currently following it in terms of numbers of disappointed players 'leaving'.

Both were hugely hyped, not least by the players themselves, both had a very long and successful heritage, both sold massive numbers of pre-orders.

On release both has massive problems. Not the same type, TOR's servers were a disaster while ESO's largely stood up. However to make up for that ESO had a huge number of game-breaking bugs, many of which still exist and the infamous 'bank' bug is about the worst case of character corruption I can recall, ever.

TOR's fundamental fail though was lack of content, there was no end-game at all and large numbers reached it within weeks then had nothing to do, literally, if they didn't want to PVP.

In ESO's case the same can be said pre-1.1.2 and even Craglorn only adds a week's worth of content it seems, I saw a VR12 within 5 days of its release, and the entire VR grind is have a big negative impact on many players it seems: if we wanted an Asian grind-fest then Lineage still exists I believe!

So yeah, the most recent example of a over-hyped, content-lacking game wasn't that long ago.

I pretty much felt the same way Kerin. On a personal note...I actually stuck with SWtOR. though it had it's share of issues, a few things made me stay. and ESO could learn from this.

#1 - though it lacked end game content and had balance issues...every single class was playable for 98% of the game and playable in end game content. in this game...2 classes are playable, and one weapon setup. if you didn't choose those, your SoL. Likewise, even though game play had some glitches...it was functional and SMOOTH. at least 25% of the time in this game,when i press a skill, im not sure if it will go off. in a game with death penalties as harsh as this one, thats pretty serious. in SWtOR they at least minimized the penalties.

#2 it had smooth gameplay (comparably), and continuity. you didn't get the game drastically shifting gears on you 1/3 of the way through, and forcing you to re-do content, just 5x harder then the previous time you did it. I was willing to level alt's in that game and put my time in till they fixed things. Here...why level an alt when im going to have to halt that alt's progress too.

#3 - the first major patch fixed a TON of issues, brought the behind classes inline, and brought in BALANCED, CHALLENGING, and INTERESTING end game content. I played one of the least sought after classes in the game at the time (DPS Vengeance Juggernaut, pre-1.2 patch), and even with that class I still go in groups, had fun, got to do raids. Honestly, compared to the first patch here...SWtOR 1.2 was a milestone in the right direction.

the first major patch for this game left me scratching my head. I couldn't honestly tell what they were trying to do, outside of fully break the game.

By the way

I didn't list those items to disagree, it was actually an amendment to your statements. they DO both parallel each other in issues. What's sad is that what I saw in SWtOR made me want to stick it out. here...I wish i had a reason. I'm looking for one. and it's not forthcoming. not in the notes on the forums, not in the posts by CS reps...i have yet to see a post from a dev discussing the direction they are deciding to go with the game...other then they put off console release.

I DO appreciate the steps they've taken so far. Only problem is it still leaves the game in a state that I can't really play the class setups I love. SWtOR at least allowed me that.