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Why is this game getting so much hate?

  • Gwarok
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    Loco_Mofo wrote: »
    The game is beautiful, granted.

    BUT it also suffers from crippling bugs, class imbalance, unnecessary grind (VR), bots, exploits & hacks (PvP), lag (PvP), limited build variety (magicka > stamina), not to mention some people can't even log into the game right now...

    #ThreeMonthRule
    "Strive for balance of all things. When the scales tip to one side or the other, someone or somethings gets short-changed. When someone gets short-changed, unpredictability and strife unbalance the world around us...To achieve freedom from greed, from want, and from strife, all parties in any exchange MUST find balance." -House Hlaalu's Philosophy of Trade

    "I am ALWAYS very busy, so I KNOW what's best. You need to stay away from the waterfall. TRUST ME, you're better off keeping busy than playing in the stream....Do you know how to swim, Little Scrib?"

    "I am but a simple farmer". -Rags'nar LodesBroke

    #SKOOMA!

    (Juliet):
    ...it is nor hand, nor foot,
    Nor arm, nor face, nor any other part
    Belonging to a man.
    O, be some other name!
    What's in a name?
    That which we call a rose?
    By any other name would smell as sweet.
    Retain that dear perfection to which he owes...
    (Act II, Scene II -William Shakespeare's: Romeo & Juliet -1595 A.D.)



  • Razzak
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    I don't know how much is "so much" in your question, but I would guess it gets so much hate because it deserves it.
    It will never be perfect (as nothing ever is) but it's still very far away from excellent and far away from good. So, if a thing is mediocre, it deserves praises and criticism.
  • Mortosk
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    I have been.. lurking the forums since 1.1.2 dropped, with my PC being weird and the fact I don't have the stablest internet at the current moment as it's being upgraded, I've had plenty of time to read threads on the forum.

    But really, you're all sitting here, putting down this beautiful game, I mean.. it's like you're dumping dirt onto a rose before it can even bud! Give the game time to grow, it'll take time, and dedication for this game to reach it's potential. You have to remember The Elder Scrolls was based on Single Player, Zenimax have tried to keep that experience but, make it into a MMO, which is what a lot of people wanted.

    The game is not ready, and should not have been released until it was. Not exaggerating when I say it is at least 6 months from being out of beta in it's current state. We are being asked to pay to beta test this thing, and I think that is an issue a lot of people have.

    "Now I stand, the lion before the lambs and they do not fear. They can not fear." --Arthas Menethil (aka, The Lich King)
  • Mortosk
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    LordEcks wrote: »
    Two patrons of you resturant both fill out a survey for you.

    One says the Pasta they had was great, not perfect but the best they'd had in years.

    The other patron has the exact same dish and says it was god awful and sucked... and the cook should be shot.

    What would you do about it?

    Give the cook a trial by combat with The Mountain.
    "Now I stand, the lion before the lambs and they do not fear. They can not fear." --Arthas Menethil (aka, The Lich King)
  • LordEcks
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    Mortosk wrote: »
    The game is not ready, and should not have been released until it was. Not exaggerating when I say it is at least 6 months from being out of beta in it's current state. We are being asked to pay to beta test this thing, and I think that is an issue a lot of people have.

    I cannot think of a newly release MMO in recent memory where people were not saying this.

    I think the MMO model lends itself to this mentality because they update / fix / balance things constantly.

    I'm not saying the game doesn't have its problems, but I think the game can be played and enjoyed by many (at least from 1-50).

    (Sorry Zeni but I'm not defending your VR levels. They're just ***)
  • Mortosk
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    LordEcks wrote: »
    Mortosk wrote: »
    The game is not ready, and should not have been released until it was. Not exaggerating when I say it is at least 6 months from being out of beta in it's current state. We are being asked to pay to beta test this thing, and I think that is an issue a lot of people have.

    I cannot think of a newly release MMO in recent memory where people were not saying this.

    I think the MMO model lends itself to this mentality because they update / fix / balance things constantly.

    I'm not saying the game doesn't have its problems, but I think the game can be played and enjoyed by many (at least from 1-50).

    (Sorry Zeni but I'm not defending your VR levels. They're just ***)

    No, this one is way more buggy than most. I've played just about every MMO that's come out in the last 15 years (Yes, I have old balls). This one was one of the buggiest at launch, and while it has improved somewhat over the past month or so, it is still not even close to being ready for release. And, yes, there's been a lot of rocky launches over the years, no doubt, WoW included.
    "Now I stand, the lion before the lambs and they do not fear. They can not fear." --Arthas Menethil (aka, The Lich King)
  • Fleymark
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    There should be a rule on these forums that you have to post your level before calling others out for complaints.

    The game is largely sound prior to vet ranks. After that it's a whole different story. A lot of issues compounding with other issues and clashing with the fundemental design of this game. And it's not player negativity that's to blame.

  • eduardo_goncalveseb17_ESO
    [added : Class Templar :: Vr12 :: 50BS 50WC 50 CL 50 PROV 50 40 ENCH ]
    [ Maxed Skill lines:
    Bow / 1H & Shield / Hvy Armor / Med Armor / Light Armor / Vamp / Werewolf
    Soul MAgic / Fighters Guild / A. Spear / Rest light ] etc..

    Well.. when a game decides to kill a large block of the player base fun, what do you think it will be those players reaction to that game and that company?

    Instead of fixing issues like, heavy armor not having any meaning at all ( whoever designed this game doesnt understand a bit what heavy armor stands for nor how heavy armor works ), instead of increasing players survability ( it is totally ridiculous the LOW amount of hps available for tank classes ), instead of fixing the huge amount of bugs affecting almost all classes ( passive or active skills ), instead of fixing Vampires, Werewolfs ( so sad.. a term ment for powerful beeings beeing degenerated in an almost puppywolf like creature ), they decided to release a freaking GROUP instance with a level cap increase and loot available only for people who like to team, nerfing at the same time a bunch of people that were still managing to have some fun in this badly designed class system.

    To increase the already messsed up Claglorn suiciding patch/expansion/nerf/whatever, they add bad memory management and lots of tech bugs to the game alltogether! Amazing! How can a company release sucha piece of dung code beats me! We are at the 21st century after all.. theese games cost Millions! to make.. and they have people working for them and making decisions launching this stuff? Wtf?

    So.. why are you surprised people not liking and saying goodbye to the game? ( and more important to the company.. cos im pretty sure a lot wont ever buy any game from Zenimax and/or Bethesda ).
    Edited by eduardo_goncalveseb17_ESO on 2 June 2014 07:20
  • Drasn
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    Fleymark wrote: »
    There should be a rule on these forums that you have to post your level before calling others out for complaints.

    Agree with this 1000 times over.

    Better yet, link highest character level to forum account, so that everyone can see and knows it's legit.
  • Crumpy
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    Because it was;

    - Really hyped up
    - Really expensive
    - Really not very good

    Add on the ES link into the equation and it deserves all the ire it gets.
    I lyke not this quill.
  • Hridh
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    Also, nuking a PVP campaign (Scourge) by error too early and without any warning does not help giving confidence in their testing teams nor in managment (which decide to just do nothing about it). Where are my many hours invested there?
  • Bicca1974
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    If there is a rule to show the level of someone who is posting, then there should be a rule to show the time needed and the 'how to' to hit this level too and more important, information about the time spent in certain game areas during the level process.
    Therefore one with 10 days hitting 50 and another 5 to hit VR12 has the same right (or not) to judge the game as someone who is in his early 40.
  • flguy147ub17_ESO
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    LordEcks wrote: »
    LordEcks wrote: »
    What I can't figure out is how\why people can be surprised at the amount of bugs in the game.

    It says TES on the freaking title. I've you've played any of those games you should know that they are all notoriously bug ridden, and brokenly unbalanced.

    They're still fun as hell though. Oddly enough the bugs/crashing/unbalanced gameplay never seems to bother anyone much in single player.

    Because there are 1000s of players that has never played a TES game ever. They are playing this because its a MMO not because its a TES game. 2nd of all, a broken game isn't acceptable no matter what the title. I would fire one of my employees in 2 secs if they gave our client this broken of a product. Maybe because I am 36 years old (not a teen or college kid) and own 2 businesses, I have zero tolerance for selling a broken product and expecting customers to pay for it.

    Not that I disagree with you but what your saying is somewhat contradictory.

    In essence all MMOs contain bugs, and thus they are all broken.

    I guess theres some unmentioned degree of how many bugs are acceptable or to what degree they affect you.

    None of the these bugs have had any larger of an impact on my gameplay than in any other TES game. So take my opinion with a grain of salt.

    My point is to me its in no way a 'broken' product.

    If you own resturants I'll give you this example:

    Two patrons of you resturant both fill out a survey for you.

    One says the Pasta they had was great, not perfect but the best they'd had in years.

    The other patron has the exact same dish and says it was god awful and sucked... and the cook should be shot.

    What would you do about it?

    I am not a TES player so I don't care about those games and don't pay for those, I am a MMO player and I am customer of ESO so the other ES games has zero to do with ESO as a product. And I understand your Pasta example but that is personal taste but if he served spoiled food and he knew it was spoiled, he would be fired instantly. Whether or not you like a game or the taste of the food is whole different thing than a broken game. For example, I had way less of problems with Rift and SWTOR at launch but the game wasn't my personal taste so it wasn't for me. That is a big difference than sitting there for a couple hours trying to progress the Caldwell quests which are needed to progress to the other faction and you cant do it. Or the guy I play with 24/7 rerolled because his vet5 NB is broken and now we don't play together anymore because we are in way different content. NBs are broken and I am a DK and not happy about that. I am a Vamp and my passives wouldn't work unless I relogged, that is a broken mechanic, just like the other examples. Weapon swap doesn't work a lot of the time, dark talons don't root mobs all the time and sometimes takes me hitting it 3 times literally standing on top of them to make it work. ZOS knows the game was in bad shape and still released, its impossible for them not to know.
  • Queripel
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    Bicca1974 wrote: »
    If there is a rule to show the level of someone who is posting, then there should be a rule to show the time needed and the 'how to' to hit this level too and more important, information about the time spent in certain game areas during the level process.
    Therefore one with 10 days hitting 50 and another 5 to hit VR12 has the same right (or not) to judge the game as someone who is in his early 40.

    We all as customers have paid for the right to express our opinions here within the forum rules.

    Every customers voice counts from a new accounts first level 1 to the most experienced VR12!


    So says this just average playing vR2 2 handed weapon heavy armor wearing Templar! lol
  • steveb16_ESO46
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    Because it promised so much and it has not delivered to the standard expected of a premium sub game. Letting the bot infestation take root is a gross dereliction of duty, grouping is made as hard as possible, the quality of patches is truly abysmal and when the realisation hit that VR really was just grinding the other stories on an intelligence insulting pretext it was the last straw.

    I was expecting something innovative. What I got could have come out any time in the last ten years. The only innovative feature is the phasing. And that is awful.

    I started as a huge fan of this game and intended to play for years but it has not delivered a long term game experience I want to play. The faction story is great. VR is abysmal. It will be a game I play for a while, have a good time on the main story and leave.
  • LordEcks
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    The only innovative feature is the phasing. And that is awful.

    Dont forget the curved swords.

    Curved. Swords.

  • AngryNord
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    Those were in Skyrim too. And cutlasses have been in TES games at least since Morrowind.
  • Drasn
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    Bicca1974 wrote: »
    If there is a rule to show the level of someone who is posting, then there should be a rule to show the time needed and the 'how to' to hit this level too and more important, information about the time spent in certain game areas during the level process.
    Therefore one with 10 days hitting 50 and another 5 to hit VR12 has the same right (or not) to judge the game as someone who is in his early 40.
    Queripel wrote: »
    Bicca1974 wrote: »
    If there is a rule to show the level of someone who is posting, then there should be a rule to show the time needed and the 'how to' to hit this level too and more important, information about the time spent in certain game areas during the level process.
    Therefore one with 10 days hitting 50 and another 5 to hit VR12 has the same right (or not) to judge the game as someone who is in his early 40.

    We all as customers have paid for the right to express our opinions here within the forum rules.

    Every customers voice counts from a new accounts first level 1 to the most experienced VR12!


    So says this just average playing vR2 2 handed weapon heavy armor wearing Templar! lol

    The point is not taking your voice away, the point is that in this game lvl 1-50, V1-V5, and V5-V10/12 are vastly different experiences. Nightblades, templars and stamina builds have no issues lvl 1-50, issues start popping up V1-V5, and V5-V12 can be ridiculous.

    It would be nice to know if the people defending certain aspects of the game have actually made it to a point in the game that those aspects come into question.
  • Queripel
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    Bicca1974 wrote: »
    If there is a rule to show the level of someone who is posting, then there should be a rule to show the time needed and the 'how to' to hit this level too and more important, information about the time spent in certain game areas during the level process.
    Therefore one with 10 days hitting 50 and another 5 to hit VR12 has the same right (or not) to judge the game as someone who is in his early 40.
    Queripel wrote: »
    Bicca1974 wrote: »
    If there is a rule to show the level of someone who is posting, then there should be a rule to show the time needed and the 'how to' to hit this level too and more important, information about the time spent in certain game areas during the level process.
    Therefore one with 10 days hitting 50 and another 5 to hit VR12 has the same right (or not) to judge the game as someone who is in his early 40.

    We all as customers have paid for the right to express our opinions here within the forum rules.

    Every customers voice counts from a new accounts first level 1 to the most experienced VR12!


    So says this just average playing vR2 2 handed weapon heavy armor wearing Templar! lol

    The point is not taking your voice away, the point is that in this game lvl 1-50, V1-V5, and V5-V10/12 are vastly different experiences. Nightblades, templars and stamina builds have no issues lvl 1-50, issues start popping up V1-V5, and V5-V12 can be ridiculous.

    It would be nice to know if the people defending certain aspects of the game have actually made it to a point in the game that those aspects come into question.

    I can accept that. I have experienced the shifting of how the game plays. I can understanding someone posting their level in a citation as I did or someone else asking for one, but...

    "Therefore one with 10 days hitting 50 and another 5 to hit VR12 has the same right (or not) to judge the game as someone who is in his early 40."

    is not what you just said. That is asking for a forum rule to allow a "right to judge". That is a totally closed minded restrictive mindset.

    Should only those at the zenith of level be allowed to voice opinions, especially since many issues brought to the forums are subjective, aesthetic, or technical in nature and not about the specific game play aspects of this game.
  • Drasn
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    Queripel wrote: »
    Bicca1974 wrote: »
    If there is a rule to show the level of someone who is posting, then there should be a rule to show the time needed and the 'how to' to hit this level too and more important, information about the time spent in certain game areas during the level process.
    Therefore one with 10 days hitting 50 and another 5 to hit VR12 has the same right (or not) to judge the game as someone who is in his early 40.
    Queripel wrote: »
    Bicca1974 wrote: »
    If there is a rule to show the level of someone who is posting, then there should be a rule to show the time needed and the 'how to' to hit this level too and more important, information about the time spent in certain game areas during the level process.
    Therefore one with 10 days hitting 50 and another 5 to hit VR12 has the same right (or not) to judge the game as someone who is in his early 40.

    We all as customers have paid for the right to express our opinions here within the forum rules.

    Every customers voice counts from a new accounts first level 1 to the most experienced VR12!


    So says this just average playing vR2 2 handed weapon heavy armor wearing Templar! lol

    The point is not taking your voice away, the point is that in this game lvl 1-50, V1-V5, and V5-V10/12 are vastly different experiences. Nightblades, templars and stamina builds have no issues lvl 1-50, issues start popping up V1-V5, and V5-V12 can be ridiculous.

    It would be nice to know if the people defending certain aspects of the game have actually made it to a point in the game that those aspects come into question.

    I can accept that. I have experienced the shifting of how the game plays. I can understanding someone posting their level in a citation as I did or someone else asking for one, but...

    "Therefore one with 10 days hitting 50 and another 5 to hit VR12 has the same right (or not) to judge the game as someone who is in his early 40."

    is not what you just said. That is asking for a forum rule to allow a "right to judge". That is a totally closed minded restrictive mindset.

    Should only those at the zenith of level be allowed to voice opinions, especially since many issues brought to the forums are subjective, aesthetic, or technical in nature and not about the specific game play aspects of this game.

    I think you are accusing me of saying something I quoted someone else as saying.
  • recstudios.wdearrwb17_ESO
    I was hoping I would have more fun in this game, only been playing for a couple days and some things are great, but other things are just terrible. Like how the hell are people meant to know you press . to activate the mouse pointer???? There are so many little UI things like this that the game does not tell you, which make it very hard for the new person.

    At this rate I will probably only play for another few days, my sorcerer just dies at the sight on two monsters...

    I am sort of looking forward to the next WoW expansion, ya its been around for years, but the game is so much easier and fun, and they do so many things right, why can't other MMORPG learn from what they do right!!!

    Trying another class tonight, if I die 10 times trying to kill a yellow quest then im done.
  • AreoHotah
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    BECAUSE it could have been so so so MUCH more.
    Hota'h, Dual-wield/bow full medium armor NB Khajiit from day 1.

    https://imageshack.com/i/p2rF313Qj/b]
  • david271749
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    No pet battles
  • Queripel
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    Queripel wrote: »
    Bicca1974 wrote: »
    If there is a rule to show the level of someone who is posting, then there should be a rule to show the time needed and the 'how to' to hit this level too and more important, information about the time spent in certain game areas during the level process.
    Therefore one with 10 days hitting 50 and another 5 to hit VR12 has the same right (or not) to judge the game as someone who is in his early 40.
    Queripel wrote: »
    Bicca1974 wrote: »
    If there is a rule to show the level of someone who is posting, then there should be a rule to show the time needed and the 'how to' to hit this level too and more important, information about the time spent in certain game areas during the level process.
    Therefore one with 10 days hitting 50 and another 5 to hit VR12 has the same right (or not) to judge the game as someone who is in his early 40.

    We all as customers have paid for the right to express our opinions here within the forum rules.

    Every customers voice counts from a new accounts first level 1 to the most experienced VR12!


    So says this just average playing vR2 2 handed weapon heavy armor wearing Templar! lol

    The point is not taking your voice away, the point is that in this game lvl 1-50, V1-V5, and V5-V10/12 are vastly different experiences. Nightblades, templars and stamina builds have no issues lvl 1-50, issues start popping up V1-V5, and V5-V12 can be ridiculous.

    It would be nice to know if the people defending certain aspects of the game have actually made it to a point in the game that those aspects come into question.

    I can accept that. I have experienced the shifting of how the game plays. I can understanding someone posting their level in a citation as I did or someone else asking for one, but...

    "Therefore one with 10 days hitting 50 and another 5 to hit VR12 has the same right (or not) to judge the game as someone who is in his early 40."

    is not what you just said. That is asking for a forum rule to allow a "right to judge". That is a totally closed minded restrictive mindset.

    Should only those at the zenith of level be allowed to voice opinions, especially since many issues brought to the forums are subjective, aesthetic, or technical in nature and not about the specific game play aspects of this game.

    I think you are accusing me of saying something I quoted someone else as saying.

    Yes, you are right. I should not have written the "is not what you just said" as it is technically wrong and I apologize for that, however it is what you were defending in relation to your quote of me. I should have written correctly "is not what you just implied."

    I have no issues with what you wrote except for that implied support of the first quote of Bicca1974.

    I do not mean to accuse anyone at all of anything. This is just a conversation in type. So again my apologies for any misunderstandings and I hope you continue to enjoy expressing yourself in these forums. :)

    edit: Tone is not often well expressed in written form by lay writers in places like forums, and trust me I'm the farthest thing from a professional writer I think you'll find in these forums.
    Edited by Queripel on 2 June 2014 08:28
  • Drasn
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    Queripel wrote: »
    Queripel wrote: »
    Bicca1974 wrote: »
    If there is a rule to show the level of someone who is posting, then there should be a rule to show the time needed and the 'how to' to hit this level too and more important, information about the time spent in certain game areas during the level process.
    Therefore one with 10 days hitting 50 and another 5 to hit VR12 has the same right (or not) to judge the game as someone who is in his early 40.
    Queripel wrote: »
    Bicca1974 wrote: »
    If there is a rule to show the level of someone who is posting, then there should be a rule to show the time needed and the 'how to' to hit this level too and more important, information about the time spent in certain game areas during the level process.
    Therefore one with 10 days hitting 50 and another 5 to hit VR12 has the same right (or not) to judge the game as someone who is in his early 40.

    We all as customers have paid for the right to express our opinions here within the forum rules.

    Every customers voice counts from a new accounts first level 1 to the most experienced VR12!


    So says this just average playing vR2 2 handed weapon heavy armor wearing Templar! lol

    The point is not taking your voice away, the point is that in this game lvl 1-50, V1-V5, and V5-V10/12 are vastly different experiences. Nightblades, templars and stamina builds have no issues lvl 1-50, issues start popping up V1-V5, and V5-V12 can be ridiculous.

    It would be nice to know if the people defending certain aspects of the game have actually made it to a point in the game that those aspects come into question.

    I can accept that. I have experienced the shifting of how the game plays. I can understanding someone posting their level in a citation as I did or someone else asking for one, but...

    "Therefore one with 10 days hitting 50 and another 5 to hit VR12 has the same right (or not) to judge the game as someone who is in his early 40."

    is not what you just said. That is asking for a forum rule to allow a "right to judge". That is a totally closed minded restrictive mindset.

    Should only those at the zenith of level be allowed to voice opinions, especially since many issues brought to the forums are subjective, aesthetic, or technical in nature and not about the specific game play aspects of this game.

    I think you are accusing me of saying something I quoted someone else as saying.

    Yes, you are right. I should not have written the "is not what you just said" as it is technically wrong and I apologize for that, however it is what you were defending in relation to your quote of me.

    I have no issues with what you wrote except for that implied support of the first quote of Bicca1974.

    I do not mean to accuse anyone at all of anything. This is just a conversation in type. So again my apologies for any misunderstandings and I hope you continue to enjoy expressing yourself in these forums. :)

    It's all good, but I'm pretty sure Bicca was making the same point as you, which is why I quoted you both. Not sure which one of us is confused at this point.
  • Singular
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    Because it's simply a very polished last generation MMO.

    It's not dynamic, not a "sandbox," doesn't individualize except through phasing, has a terrible grouping tool, and an unusual loot system.

    Oh, and has lots of bots and a few exploits b/c of their client side rules. I guess some bugs, but bugs are in every game.

    Anyways, I think most people were expected a new kind of MMO. But we didn't get that.
    War, give me war, give me war.
  • Queripel
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    I think its just a quote citation issue in how this silly forum is formatted and how I interpreted the double quotation of Bicca1974s paragraph (you can see it if you expand all quotations as I saw it on my monitor).

    Time for some sleep for me - way past my bedtime I think lol
  • Mortelus
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    I have stopped playing because I found it more fun to pick up PES 2014 and play that.

    I was in 5 day EA and the Beta's (which made me buy the game) but all I keep seeing is the game deteriorate. Bots are my biggest complaint because I like to farm for mats and craft my own gear. But it took me two hours of my limited play time to find enough hide to craft 1 white chest piece and one 1 pair of trousers.

    People say they just deconstruct stuff, well that's all good and fine, but so far I am way over leveled for my area and farming for mats has been the main cause of this.

    I am tired of bot ruining my gaming experience and I accept no excuse for broken classes 2 months after launch. As someone previously stated I am a gamer not an investor, I gave them a month of my subscription so they had 2 months to sort things and they haven't so that's enough for me.

    I love the premise of this game, but in reality it doesn't quite work for me... Yet!

    I will keep checking the patch notes etc though...


    Who has time? But if we never take time how can we ever have time?
  • Fleymark
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    Bicca1974 wrote: »
    If there is a rule to show the level of someone who is posting, then there should be a rule to show the time needed and the 'how to' to hit this level too and more important, information about the time spent in certain game areas during the level process.
    Therefore one with 10 days hitting 50 and another 5 to hit VR12 has the same right (or not) to judge the game as someone who is in his early 40.

    Wth are you even talking about? It's not about judging anyone.

    The point I was making is if you aren't in the VRs you haven't seen the broken game yet. Assuming you aren't one of the people hit with the connectivity bug or something like it, the worst thing you probably ever have to deal with pre-50 are bots and spammers. I mean that as a good thing. The classes work. So does about any build you choose.

    But it's a totally different ballgame after. To what extent depends on your class and build. If you aren't there, you really can't say people don't have a reason to complain because you haven't seen it yet.
    Edited by Fleymark on 2 June 2014 08:46
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    I am not an investor, I am a customer, I don't pay money to wait for them to fix all the bugs, exploits, and broken mechanics. I pay money to play a product that is fun and works correctly. And that isnt this game and the bugs, exploits and broken mechanics are the #1 reason i havent played much at all this whole weekend. I know there is no game that is perfect without any bugs but this is the worst I have seen in a decade of playing MMOs.

    This game is fun and it plays correctly, Zenimax cannot cater to your combat needs as everyone has a different opinion. They cannot make the game balanced/fair for everyones tastes, they can try and fail, but that's it, you need to accept this, and the fact you say you have MMO experience just raises this further. Their is not one game on the market that is perfect and appeals to everyone, so how is 'broken mechanics' a viable rant?
    Most people are complaining because:
    • 50% of the base classes are not wanted for high end content (because they are subpar)
    • stamina based builds are a joke compared to magicka based builds (that adds another decent % to the unwanted)
    • tanks do better in light armor than they do in heavy
    • bots everywhere
    • bugs everywhere
    • no trade chat
    • horrible guild store interface(or no AH, take your pick)
    • forced to grind quests at vet levels

    And the list goes on, there is plenty to complain about. That's not saying that there aren't good things as well, but you can only polish a turd for so long, and all that.

    Personal opinion.
    Personal opinion.
    Personal opinion.
    Every MMORPG has bots, find me one that doesn't.
    Personal opinion.
    Guilds?
    Personal opinion.
    Personal opinion.

    You're looking at the bad, instead of the good. It's this that you refuse to even look at, instead bad things are clouding your mind.


    I dont get it yousay hes looking at the bad instead of the good yet you say the stuff he says isnt bad and list things that are facts as opinions. CAN YOU EVEN FANBOY ANY HARDER?? lol..
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