The game is beautiful, granted.
BUT it also suffers from crippling bugs, class imbalance, unnecessary grind (VR), bots, exploits & hacks (PvP), lag (PvP), limited build variety (magicka > stamina), not to mention some people can't even log into the game right now...
Millionaires wrote: »I have been.. lurking the forums since 1.1.2 dropped, with my PC being weird and the fact I don't have the stablest internet at the current moment as it's being upgraded, I've had plenty of time to read threads on the forum.
But really, you're all sitting here, putting down this beautiful game, I mean.. it's like you're dumping dirt onto a rose before it can even bud! Give the game time to grow, it'll take time, and dedication for this game to reach it's potential. You have to remember The Elder Scrolls was based on Single Player, Zenimax have tried to keep that experience but, make it into a MMO, which is what a lot of people wanted.
Two patrons of you resturant both fill out a survey for you.
One says the Pasta they had was great, not perfect but the best they'd had in years.
The other patron has the exact same dish and says it was god awful and sucked... and the cook should be shot.
What would you do about it?
The game is not ready, and should not have been released until it was. Not exaggerating when I say it is at least 6 months from being out of beta in it's current state. We are being asked to pay to beta test this thing, and I think that is an issue a lot of people have.
The game is not ready, and should not have been released until it was. Not exaggerating when I say it is at least 6 months from being out of beta in it's current state. We are being asked to pay to beta test this thing, and I think that is an issue a lot of people have.
I cannot think of a newly release MMO in recent memory where people were not saying this.
I think the MMO model lends itself to this mentality because they update / fix / balance things constantly.
I'm not saying the game doesn't have its problems, but I think the game can be played and enjoyed by many (at least from 1-50).
(Sorry Zeni but I'm not defending your VR levels. They're just ***)
flguy147ub17_ESO wrote: »What I can't figure out is how\why people can be surprised at the amount of bugs in the game.
It says TES on the freaking title. I've you've played any of those games you should know that they are all notoriously bug ridden, and brokenly unbalanced.
They're still fun as hell though. Oddly enough the bugs/crashing/unbalanced gameplay never seems to bother anyone much in single player.
Because there are 1000s of players that has never played a TES game ever. They are playing this because its a MMO not because its a TES game. 2nd of all, a broken game isn't acceptable no matter what the title. I would fire one of my employees in 2 secs if they gave our client this broken of a product. Maybe because I am 36 years old (not a teen or college kid) and own 2 businesses, I have zero tolerance for selling a broken product and expecting customers to pay for it.
Not that I disagree with you but what your saying is somewhat contradictory.
In essence all MMOs contain bugs, and thus they are all broken.
I guess theres some unmentioned degree of how many bugs are acceptable or to what degree they affect you.
None of the these bugs have had any larger of an impact on my gameplay than in any other TES game. So take my opinion with a grain of salt.
My point is to me its in no way a 'broken' product.
If you own resturants I'll give you this example:
Two patrons of you resturant both fill out a survey for you.
One says the Pasta they had was great, not perfect but the best they'd had in years.
The other patron has the exact same dish and says it was god awful and sucked... and the cook should be shot.
What would you do about it?
If there is a rule to show the level of someone who is posting, then there should be a rule to show the time needed and the 'how to' to hit this level too and more important, information about the time spent in certain game areas during the level process.
Therefore one with 10 days hitting 50 and another 5 to hit VR12 has the same right (or not) to judge the game as someone who is in his early 40.
steveb16_ESO46 wrote: »The only innovative feature is the phasing. And that is awful.
If there is a rule to show the level of someone who is posting, then there should be a rule to show the time needed and the 'how to' to hit this level too and more important, information about the time spent in certain game areas during the level process.
Therefore one with 10 days hitting 50 and another 5 to hit VR12 has the same right (or not) to judge the game as someone who is in his early 40.
If there is a rule to show the level of someone who is posting, then there should be a rule to show the time needed and the 'how to' to hit this level too and more important, information about the time spent in certain game areas during the level process.
Therefore one with 10 days hitting 50 and another 5 to hit VR12 has the same right (or not) to judge the game as someone who is in his early 40.
We all as customers have paid for the right to express our opinions here within the forum rules.
Every customers voice counts from a new accounts first level 1 to the most experienced VR12!
So says this just average playing vR2 2 handed weapon heavy armor wearing Templar! lol
thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »If there is a rule to show the level of someone who is posting, then there should be a rule to show the time needed and the 'how to' to hit this level too and more important, information about the time spent in certain game areas during the level process.
Therefore one with 10 days hitting 50 and another 5 to hit VR12 has the same right (or not) to judge the game as someone who is in his early 40.If there is a rule to show the level of someone who is posting, then there should be a rule to show the time needed and the 'how to' to hit this level too and more important, information about the time spent in certain game areas during the level process.
Therefore one with 10 days hitting 50 and another 5 to hit VR12 has the same right (or not) to judge the game as someone who is in his early 40.
We all as customers have paid for the right to express our opinions here within the forum rules.
Every customers voice counts from a new accounts first level 1 to the most experienced VR12!
So says this just average playing vR2 2 handed weapon heavy armor wearing Templar! lol
The point is not taking your voice away, the point is that in this game lvl 1-50, V1-V5, and V5-V10/12 are vastly different experiences. Nightblades, templars and stamina builds have no issues lvl 1-50, issues start popping up V1-V5, and V5-V12 can be ridiculous.
It would be nice to know if the people defending certain aspects of the game have actually made it to a point in the game that those aspects come into question.
thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »If there is a rule to show the level of someone who is posting, then there should be a rule to show the time needed and the 'how to' to hit this level too and more important, information about the time spent in certain game areas during the level process.
Therefore one with 10 days hitting 50 and another 5 to hit VR12 has the same right (or not) to judge the game as someone who is in his early 40.If there is a rule to show the level of someone who is posting, then there should be a rule to show the time needed and the 'how to' to hit this level too and more important, information about the time spent in certain game areas during the level process.
Therefore one with 10 days hitting 50 and another 5 to hit VR12 has the same right (or not) to judge the game as someone who is in his early 40.
We all as customers have paid for the right to express our opinions here within the forum rules.
Every customers voice counts from a new accounts first level 1 to the most experienced VR12!
So says this just average playing vR2 2 handed weapon heavy armor wearing Templar! lol
The point is not taking your voice away, the point is that in this game lvl 1-50, V1-V5, and V5-V10/12 are vastly different experiences. Nightblades, templars and stamina builds have no issues lvl 1-50, issues start popping up V1-V5, and V5-V12 can be ridiculous.
It would be nice to know if the people defending certain aspects of the game have actually made it to a point in the game that those aspects come into question.
I can accept that. I have experienced the shifting of how the game plays. I can understanding someone posting their level in a citation as I did or someone else asking for one, but...
"Therefore one with 10 days hitting 50 and another 5 to hit VR12 has the same right (or not) to judge the game as someone who is in his early 40."
is not what you just said. That is asking for a forum rule to allow a "right to judge". That is a totally closed minded restrictive mindset.
Should only those at the zenith of level be allowed to voice opinions, especially since many issues brought to the forums are subjective, aesthetic, or technical in nature and not about the specific game play aspects of this game.
thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »If there is a rule to show the level of someone who is posting, then there should be a rule to show the time needed and the 'how to' to hit this level too and more important, information about the time spent in certain game areas during the level process.
Therefore one with 10 days hitting 50 and another 5 to hit VR12 has the same right (or not) to judge the game as someone who is in his early 40.If there is a rule to show the level of someone who is posting, then there should be a rule to show the time needed and the 'how to' to hit this level too and more important, information about the time spent in certain game areas during the level process.
Therefore one with 10 days hitting 50 and another 5 to hit VR12 has the same right (or not) to judge the game as someone who is in his early 40.
We all as customers have paid for the right to express our opinions here within the forum rules.
Every customers voice counts from a new accounts first level 1 to the most experienced VR12!
So says this just average playing vR2 2 handed weapon heavy armor wearing Templar! lol
The point is not taking your voice away, the point is that in this game lvl 1-50, V1-V5, and V5-V10/12 are vastly different experiences. Nightblades, templars and stamina builds have no issues lvl 1-50, issues start popping up V1-V5, and V5-V12 can be ridiculous.
It would be nice to know if the people defending certain aspects of the game have actually made it to a point in the game that those aspects come into question.
I can accept that. I have experienced the shifting of how the game plays. I can understanding someone posting their level in a citation as I did or someone else asking for one, but...
"Therefore one with 10 days hitting 50 and another 5 to hit VR12 has the same right (or not) to judge the game as someone who is in his early 40."
is not what you just said. That is asking for a forum rule to allow a "right to judge". That is a totally closed minded restrictive mindset.
Should only those at the zenith of level be allowed to voice opinions, especially since many issues brought to the forums are subjective, aesthetic, or technical in nature and not about the specific game play aspects of this game.
I think you are accusing me of saying something I quoted someone else as saying.
thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »If there is a rule to show the level of someone who is posting, then there should be a rule to show the time needed and the 'how to' to hit this level too and more important, information about the time spent in certain game areas during the level process.
Therefore one with 10 days hitting 50 and another 5 to hit VR12 has the same right (or not) to judge the game as someone who is in his early 40.If there is a rule to show the level of someone who is posting, then there should be a rule to show the time needed and the 'how to' to hit this level too and more important, information about the time spent in certain game areas during the level process.
Therefore one with 10 days hitting 50 and another 5 to hit VR12 has the same right (or not) to judge the game as someone who is in his early 40.
We all as customers have paid for the right to express our opinions here within the forum rules.
Every customers voice counts from a new accounts first level 1 to the most experienced VR12!
So says this just average playing vR2 2 handed weapon heavy armor wearing Templar! lol
The point is not taking your voice away, the point is that in this game lvl 1-50, V1-V5, and V5-V10/12 are vastly different experiences. Nightblades, templars and stamina builds have no issues lvl 1-50, issues start popping up V1-V5, and V5-V12 can be ridiculous.
It would be nice to know if the people defending certain aspects of the game have actually made it to a point in the game that those aspects come into question.
I can accept that. I have experienced the shifting of how the game plays. I can understanding someone posting their level in a citation as I did or someone else asking for one, but...
"Therefore one with 10 days hitting 50 and another 5 to hit VR12 has the same right (or not) to judge the game as someone who is in his early 40."
is not what you just said. That is asking for a forum rule to allow a "right to judge". That is a totally closed minded restrictive mindset.
Should only those at the zenith of level be allowed to voice opinions, especially since many issues brought to the forums are subjective, aesthetic, or technical in nature and not about the specific game play aspects of this game.
I think you are accusing me of saying something I quoted someone else as saying.
Yes, you are right. I should not have written the "is not what you just said" as it is technically wrong and I apologize for that, however it is what you were defending in relation to your quote of me.
I have no issues with what you wrote except for that implied support of the first quote of Bicca1974.
I do not mean to accuse anyone at all of anything. This is just a conversation in type. So again my apologies for any misunderstandings and I hope you continue to enjoy expressing yourself in these forums.
If there is a rule to show the level of someone who is posting, then there should be a rule to show the time needed and the 'how to' to hit this level too and more important, information about the time spent in certain game areas during the level process.
Therefore one with 10 days hitting 50 and another 5 to hit VR12 has the same right (or not) to judge the game as someone who is in his early 40.
Millionaires wrote: »flguy147ub17_ESO wrote: »I am not an investor, I am a customer, I don't pay money to wait for them to fix all the bugs, exploits, and broken mechanics. I pay money to play a product that is fun and works correctly. And that isnt this game and the bugs, exploits and broken mechanics are the #1 reason i havent played much at all this whole weekend. I know there is no game that is perfect without any bugs but this is the worst I have seen in a decade of playing MMOs.
This game is fun and it plays correctly, Zenimax cannot cater to your combat needs as everyone has a different opinion. They cannot make the game balanced/fair for everyones tastes, they can try and fail, but that's it, you need to accept this, and the fact you say you have MMO experience just raises this further. Their is not one game on the market that is perfect and appeals to everyone, so how is 'broken mechanics' a viable rant?thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »Most people are complaining because:
- 50% of the base classes are not wanted for high end content (because they are subpar)
- stamina based builds are a joke compared to magicka based builds (that adds another decent % to the unwanted)
- tanks do better in light armor than they do in heavy
- bots everywhere
- bugs everywhere
- no trade chat
- horrible guild store interface(or no AH, take your pick)
- forced to grind quests at vet levels
And the list goes on, there is plenty to complain about. That's not saying that there aren't good things as well, but you can only polish a turd for so long, and all that.
Personal opinion.
Personal opinion.
Personal opinion.
Every MMORPG has bots, find me one that doesn't.
Personal opinion.
Guilds?
Personal opinion.
Personal opinion.
You're looking at the bad, instead of the good. It's this that you refuse to even look at, instead bad things are clouding your mind.