OMG Bolt ESCAPE!!!!

Wolfahm

true2moon_ESO wrote: »

The NB sneak is another crap design, again letting a player disengage from PvP easily just make more lame pvp experience.

you want to make a good pvp game, then dont let players escape out of pvp so easy. both of these instant cast spells with no recast timer is just ***.

fire the idiots who designed this garbage and do your company a favor. Next time get someone with a clue about pvp to design your class skills.

Detect Potions. USE THEM. Noob. <<<<< Are you new?
( I use 50+ a day! )

true2moon_ESO

#1 I can counter the stealth with a potion, there is no counter for BE.

crap like BE that breaks combat so easy just ruins the point of a PvP game.

soon everyone will roll sorcs, and then wtf do you have?! you need a sorc to catch a sorc? thats garbage. and yes I can tell you are a scub who plays one because if you didnt you would realize that its just garbage that ruins the game.

again un-nerf the vamp sprint so everyone can just run away from combat, that would be cool to you scared noobs anyhow...

why even play pvp if you need to run away so much??

and yea brass, like aim matters when someone can get 60m away from you in under 3 seconds.... go faceplam yourself.

Glurin

true2moon_ESO wrote: »

soon everyone will roll sorcs, and then wtf do you have?!

A whole bunch of sorcs crying because BE isn't a one button wonder that lets them survive any battle and because running away doesn't result in the death of their enemies?

Teargrants

@‌Glurin Shh, you weren't supposed to say that, now the pugs won't cower in fear when they see me bolt escaping AWAY from them.

dennis.schmelzleb16_ESO

So remove BE and NB stealth?

Why not let everyone change class to DK everyone with same armor, same skills, same weapons.

Where the *** are you guys coming from? CoD, CS?

Are you guys new to MMOs? Never played a game with rogue/thief classes?

Give Sorc, NB the survivability of DKs and I have no problem with removing those skills. Give us a 4sec reflect all projectiles skill, an instant heal etc.
I bet next would be "omg they can do damage from distance, NERF!"

Go play shooters if you want everyone can do the same.
In MMOs its normal that some classes are more mobile why others have more survivability.

Nijjion

At the end of the day having a blink that can pretty much endlessly be spammed in a RvR type game is stupid... Obviously the designers had no experience in the type of gameplay and seeing other mechanics in Cyradiil maybe they should of done their research. Just look at passed mmos and the high mobility classes and you see them excel.

I would of thought better from Matt Firor coming from DAoC as well.

Sile

I had a really long post written, pointing out the exact reasons why BE is too strong, but most of the Sorcs won't actually care because they think they're good at the game.

It's a crutch for bad Sorcs, and in the hands of players who know what they're doing when engaging other players without a similar number of sorcs, the fight is already a predetermined outcome.

TLDR, if you use BE and think it's fine, you're bad.

Harakh

Sile wrote: »

I had a really long post written, pointing out the exact reasons why BE is too strong, but most of the Sorcs won't actually care because they think they're good at the game.

It's a crutch for bad Sorcs, and in the hands of players who know what they're doing when engaging other players without a similar number of sorcs, the fight is already a predetermined outcome.

TLDR, if you use BE and think it's fine, you're bad.

This!

madstoogb16_ESO

jereri3189b14_ESO2 wrote: »

Watching a single Sorc Bolt back and forth inside a group of people stunning them is hilarious more so when he can STILL bolt escape out when he gets low / stunned and nobody can catch him.... discuss!

Bolt escape is a joke of an ability. To have that kind of movement in pvp..

Imagine if the mages blink ability in WoW had no cooldown.. would be eso's lolescape.

Typical sorc engagement: I ambush a sorc (healer) from stealth.. bolt.. bolt... bolt.. gone. Cant mount as you stay in combat for 20 seconds, by this time hes long gone anyway.

Oh and us nightblades get a 2.5 second stealth which is bugged, gg.

JosephChip

The extent to which people can go just to deny reality is amazing. BE is an instant safety button only countered by itself. The sooner people admit there is a problem the sooner we can fix it.

Snit

OtarTheMad wrote: »

youtube.com/watch?v=5kfzJ1lNlU4

learn... lol

This is brilliant. It simply reinforces the fact that Bolt Escape is great against people who don't PvP much, but easily countered by most people who do.

Halrloprillalar

JosephChip wrote: »

You need to perfectly target the sorcerer to use invasion, while he can use BE two times in a row just aiming in a general direction and already be out of range.

Tab

ruzlb16_ESO

NordJitsu wrote: »

It would take a lot longer to capture the footage for a similar video made of 100% live situations.

It would, but someone already did it. Remember that someone posted one last week of a NB running down a sorc who cast BE 9 times in a row. Which the Nerf crew STILL claimed was evidence that BE was overpowered ><

NordJitsu

ruzlb16_ESO wrote: »

NordJitsu wrote: »

It would take a lot longer to capture the footage for a similar video made of 100% live situations.

It would, but someone already did it. Remember that someone posted one last week of a NB running down a sorc who cast BE 9 times in a row. Which the Nerf crew STILL claimed was evidence that BE was overpowered ><

@ruzlb16_ESO‌

Hehe. Ya I'm aware of the video. The dude who made it was one of the lead QQ'ers against BE. He kept saying Invasion couldn't counter it because it was too hard to target the Sorc. I gave him the same response that @Halrloprillalar‌ gave to @JosephChip‌ above.

All you have to do is Tab-target them.

Then he posted that video not long after while still claiming that BE was OP. You could tell he didn't really believe it any more though because his arguments got weaker and weaker and he eventually just stopped commenting on it all together.

I think its great that he posted that video of him countering BE though. The response from a lot of critics of my video was, "well that was just practice. Game mechanics some how suddenly change their very nature in a live situation." Although the critique is obviously nonsense on its face, its still nice to have something to respond to them with.

JosephChip

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

JosephChip wrote: »

You need to perfectly target the sorcerer to use invasion, while he can use BE two times in a row just aiming in a general direction and already be out of range.

Tab

Doesn't work. Sorry. With just one BE a sorcerer can be already out of range.
I guess people who give these suggestions aren't playing a whole lot of pvp.

Teargrants

You mean you don't tab target ppl THE MOMENT you engage them? I don't know what to say to that...

Helspyre

I use invasion on Bolt Escapers all the time. No tab target needed.

Halrloprillalar

JosephChip wrote: »

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

JosephChip wrote: »

You need to perfectly target the sorcerer to use invasion, while he can use BE two times in a row just aiming in a general direction and already be out of range.

Tab

Doesn't work. Sorry. With just one BE a sorcerer can be already out of range.
I guess people who give these suggestions aren't playing a whole lot of pvp.

How does it not work?? Why isn't he tabbed as soon as you decide you want to kill him??? I am 100% sure invasion goes just as far as BE, so does crit charge and that annoying NB jump skill.

Is this a PEBKAC?

Huckdabuck

JosephChip wrote: »

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

JosephChip wrote: »

You need to perfectly target the sorcerer to use invasion, while he can use BE two times in a row just aiming in a general direction and already be out of range.

Tab

Doesn't work. Sorry. With just one BE a sorcerer can be already out of range.
I guess people who give these suggestions aren't playing a whole lot of pvp.

Do you even PvP bro? I guess if you can't 2 button spam then it's not gaming. Baddies will be baddies.

NordJitsu

@Halrloprillalar‌

Actually, both skills go further.

If you're a Stamina Spec you can cast it more times (or you should be able to if you're properly geared.)

The fact that it has a longer range means the only way BE will ever beat your Invasion is if you get out played (not to mention the stun on Invasion which gives you extra time every few casts when the Immunity wears off.)

Armitas

NordJitsu wrote: »

Then he posted that video not long after while still claiming that BE was OP. You could tell he didn't really believe it any more though because his arguments got weaker and weaker and he eventually just stopped commenting on it all together.

I stopped commenting on that thread because your responses had devolved into posting silly pictures and making funny comments. Maybe that is why he stopped as well. Either way it's really unfair to strawman him behind his back don't you think?

true2moon_ESO

the video is garbage, because #1 the sorc actually stayed to fight and didnt just run away, which he could have easily done, and that is how the majority of pvp vs a sorc goes. They just run and your not catching them. Its a garbage skill for pvp and the longer you tards try to defend it, the longer pvp is going to suffer in this game.

anytime you have a pvp game that allows players to exit combat so easy, it just makes for a weak pvp experience. Next billing cycle, I bet all you are going to see in croydiil is sorcs, have fun playing grab ass chase with each other...

Huckdabuck

true2moon_ESO wrote: »

Next billing cycle, I bet all you are going to see in croydiil is sorcs, have fun playing grab ass chase with each other...

Oh I'm definitely planning on playing tons of grab ass chase....thanks for caring and sharing!

Wolfahm

I run Ambush and crit charge on my NB so I can chase sorcs with both pools! No one escapes the Nightcrawler! ( sorcs are 90% of the player base so it works out )

Glurin

Huckdabuck wrote: »

true2moon_ESO wrote: »

Next billing cycle, I bet all you are going to see in croydiil is sorcs, have fun playing grab ass chase with each other...

Oh I'm definitely planning on playing tons of grab ass chase....thanks for caring and sharing!

And this is why I wear spiky armor. :P

Halrloprillalar

NordJitsu wrote: »

@Halrloprillalar‌

Actually, both skills go further.

If you're a Stamina Spec you can cast it more times (or you should be able to if you're properly geared.)

The fact that it has a longer range means the only way BE will ever beat your Invasion is if you get out played (not to mention the stun on Invasion which gives you extra time every few casts when the Immunity wears off.)

Yep 90% of my deaths are due to an invasion/knockdown or some such combo.

So to sum up: Invasion = cheaper (or on par) with BE, stuns longer (if max range) than BE, and does more (or on par, I don't have exact ##) damage.

Shouldn't we all be crying "OMG NERF INVASION PLZ" ???

Yes you need a target for it unlike BE so it can't be used to run away... but that's it. That is, literally, it.

By the way, everyone can use the pvp speed buff in combat, morph it so it makes you immune to root/snares and also use a stam potion so you can extra double sprint the *** away almost as fast as BE spam. Shocking, I know.

Everyone who complains about BE is just butthurt they couldn't get a KB because they can't Tab and use their gap closer in time. I don't need to say it but I think people know what the three-word TL;DR here is.

Halrloprillalar

Wolfahm wrote: »

true2moon_ESO wrote: »

The NB sneak is another crap design, again letting a player disengage from PvP easily just make more lame pvp experience.

you want to make a good pvp game, then dont let players escape out of pvp so easy. both of these instant cast spells with no recast timer is just ***.

fire the idiots who designed this garbage and do your company a favor. Next time get someone with a clue about pvp to design your class skills.

Detect Potions. USE THEM. Noob. <<<<< Are you new?
( I use 50+ a day! )

Magelight.

NordJitsu

@Armitas‌

Is this no longer a public forum where he can come and read my comments?

Ping him if you want. I enjoy a good laugh from seeing someone exhibit intellectual dishonesty by arguing for something they clearly no longer believe.

Armitas

NordJitsu wrote: »

@Armitas‌

Is this no longer a public forum where he can come and read my comments?

Ping him if you want. I enjoy a good laugh from seeing someone exhibit intellectual dishonesty by arguing for something they clearly no longer believe.

I made two comments. That you were strawmanning him, and that you were doing so behind his back. However you only chose to defend the case that you were doing so behind his back by remarking that this is a public forum. You never even bothered to deny that you were strawmanning him. Which is not out of place at all given the contradictory statements you have made regarding skill spamming in defense of BE.

But even so it is precisely because it is a public forum with thousands of posts that one can feel comfortable strawmanning someone freely to earn their defense. I will not ping him, it us up to you to present a balanced case. If you have to strawman your challenger, and specially plead then there is something wrong with your case.

I'll leave it to you to behave as you should.

SeinSchatten

The Bolt discussions remind me of a cow.
It begins all nice with green grass, then it gets chewed and swalloped. Afterwards the mass gets thrown up into your mouth for another round of chewing. Finally all that's left is dung. Exactly like those topics, except more throwing up and a big pile of dung.