So what melee abilities can I spam to CC and equate the damage of Cyrstal Fragments? (Pics)

Reykice

Yea it will never ever do 1315 damage not even in PVE... not unless you have a templar buffing you with 50 spell damage on next hit...

In PvP i guess it can if you are an emperor and the target has no magic resist... nerf emperors.

Get a spell reflect... learn to block... both maybe?

EDIT: I`ll just add that sorc has the worst single target dps in the game... so yea... op for sure.

bg22

Censorious wrote: »

Dunno where you get numbers like that.

I'm VR2 with 105 spell damage and the best I ever see is about 800 on a crit.

My NB finisher hits for 800 on a crit.

They have to be sub 25% health, otherwise the spell hits for 200ish.

See the balance?

Being able to crit for 800 any time is a bit much. Especially for a VR2.

Huckdabuck

bg22 wrote: »

Censorious wrote: »

Dunno where you get numbers like that.

I'm VR2 with 105 spell damage and the best I ever see is about 800 on a crit.

My NB finisher hits for 800 on a crit.

They have to be sub 25% health, otherwise the spell hits for 200ish.

See the balance?

Being able to crit for 800 any time is a bit much. Especially for a VR2.

Just out of curiosity what does your opening stealth attack do when you pop it on someone that you're trying to gank? You're finisher is hitting for 800 on a crit below @25%? Mine isn't doing anywhere near that when I'm hitting something below @20%.

Dude seriously you got up early today to rush in here and defend this worthless, defenseless, insanely herpyderpy OP. You were getting verbally "female dog in heat" slapped all over the forums yesterday and decided to come back for more? I applaud your "front line" mentality!

Censorious

bg22 wrote: »

Censorious wrote: »

Dunno where you get numbers like that.

I'm VR2 with 105 spell damage and the best I ever see is about 800 on a crit.

My NB finisher hits for 800 on a crit.

They have to be sub 25% health, otherwise the spell hits for 200ish.

See the balance?

Being able to crit for 800 any time is a bit much. Especially for a VR2.

That's PvE and it's using spell power jewel enchants AND the Shadow. (It's supposed to be a bit much, I'm spec'd pretty well glass-cannon.
It still doesn't come close to the figures being bandied about.

And it's certainly not 'spamable'. It has a cast time of 3.5 seconds with a chance of insta-cast if you set up for it by wasting magicka elsewhere.

P.S. The SP is actually 110 not 105

Huckdabuck

limeli8 wrote: »

Evergreen wrote: »

I definitely empathize with OPs pain. Other than Dark Talons Crystal Fragments can easily lead to a very quick death. Here is a death recap today where I was nuked for the highest single target damage I've seen from a spammable spell.

Best part about this is that "humble soul" is an Emperor, but omg OP spell!!! people link screen shots with no back ground info and try to defend their point of view lol love catching them red-handed at ether being clueless or trying to provide false info.

@evergreen and @BG22 just in case you two missed that.

bg22

Huckdabuck wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

Censorious wrote: »

Dunno where you get numbers like that.

I'm VR2 with 105 spell damage and the best I ever see is about 800 on a crit.

My NB finisher hits for 800 on a crit.

They have to be sub 25% health, otherwise the spell hits for 200ish.

See the balance?

Being able to crit for 800 any time is a bit much. Especially for a VR2.

Just out of curiosity what does your opening stealth attack do when you pop it on someone that you're trying to gank? You're finisher is hitting for 800 on a crit below @25%? Mine isn't doing anywhere near that when I'm hitting something below @20%.

Dude seriously you got up early today to rush in here and defend this worthless, defenseless, insanely herpyderpy OP. You were getting verbally "female dog in heat" slapped all over the forums yesterday and decided to come back for more? I applaud your "front line" mentality!

8-900, and like you said, from stealth.

You call a bunch of sorcs cryin "it's fine, it's fine!" Being slapped around? Lol

And I got up early for work. You should try it.

Evergreen

limeli8 wrote: »

Evergreen wrote: »

I definitely empathize with OPs pain. Other than Dark Talons Crystal Fragments can easily lead to a very quick death. Here is a death recap today where I was nuked for the highest single target damage I've seen from a spammable spell.

Best part about this is that "humble soul" is an Emperor, but omg OP spell!!! people link screen shots with no back ground info and try to defend their point of view lol love catching them red-handed at ether being clueless or trying to provide false info.

I can't believe how far Sorcerer and Dragon Knights will go in defending abilities that are clearly putting out too much damage compared to other classes like Nightblade and Templar. Nightlbades just had their Ultimate Deathstroke nerfed last patch because it was putting out too much damage from stealth and now it doesn't hit with a crit even close to a regular skill like Fragments and that is one of our Ultimates with only melee range.

Here is another Death Recap where I was being hit with 800 + damage from Crystal Fragments and I am wearing all light armor with spell resist maxed.

ShintaiDK

Sorcs sure have a hard time.



Its funny to hear the same people defend the single botton smasher sorcs, when they all raged against other classes with jabs or bash spamming as "only skill and L2P. Block+bash is OP, yet the highest damage in the game, usually instant, huge chance to disintegrate if below 50% health and CC on top and a magical reduction and regen that makes it constant spammable is fine.

FunkyBudda

bg22 wrote: »

Censorious wrote: »

Dunno where you get numbers like that.

I'm VR2 with 105 spell damage and the best I ever see is about 800 on a crit.

My NB finisher hits for 800 on a crit.

They have to be sub 25% health, otherwise the spell hits for 200ish.

See the balance?

Being able to crit for 800 any time is a bit much. Especially for a VR2.

Crit for 800 "any" time? Can share the secret of how sorcs can get 100% crit chance? OH WAIT, YOU CANT.

If you guys want to nerf CF damage, sure but make it instant cast, NOW that's balance.

bg22

FunkyBudda wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

Censorious wrote: »

Dunno where you get numbers like that.

I'm VR2 with 105 spell damage and the best I ever see is about 800 on a crit.

My NB finisher hits for 800 on a crit.

They have to be sub 25% health, otherwise the spell hits for 200ish.

See the balance?

Being able to crit for 800 any time is a bit much. Especially for a VR2.

Crit for 800 "any" time? Can share the secret of how sorcs can get 100% crit chance? OH WAIT, YOU CANT.

If you guys want to nerf CF damage, sure but make it instant cast, NOW that's balance.

You lost me? Any spell can crit any time. What are you talking ab?

EvilEmpire

Leesha wrote: »

fiachsidhe wrote: »

You see, this is why I loath PVP in mmorpgs. Because every game has its own little division of lazy players who demand every class that kicks their asses too much get nerfed into the ground and eventually everything sucks. and eventually these kids will just rage quit anyway and move on to the next game they hope will be the new Dark Age of Camelot.

I agree completely. No, let's not learn how to counter the abilities we think are soooo op, let's just cry for their nerf. I never say learn to play but in this case, learn to play against a sorc or level one up yourself.

So then we can all be cookie cutter FoTM players like yourself....swell idea.

Huckdabuck

bg22 wrote: »

8-900, and like you said, from stealth.

You call a bunch of sorcs cryin "it's fine, it's fine!" Being slapped around? Lol

And I got up early for work. You should try it.

Hmmmm well then you're getting 8-900 without a crit...wonder how that crit looks. Like you said in one of the other posts yesterday maybe we should just bring out the nerf hammer and just decimate every class to hit for only 1 damange with their fists and not allow any blocks or CCs/Stuns/Mezzs. That would increase TTK and basically ensure that whomever hit first wins and seeing how you're a stealthier....that'd make you the winner everytime. God why didn't I see your logic before.

Working is for the poor and I'd rather improve my uberleet PvP skillz. /sarcasm

Less QQ and moar L2PvP.

bg22

This is no different then DKs thinking talons wasn't OP before it was nerfed.

In other words: Nerf-Batters up!

gladen5rwb17_ESO

bg22 wrote: »

gladen5rwb17_ESO wrote: »

OMG just stop. Every time I come here someone else is bitching about another skill another class has that you can't cope with. Why not just ask for every darn class to have NO skills and we beat the hell out of each other with our fists.. Oh but wait, he has bigger hands than me, OP. Nerf character creation!

Actually my OP was a question asking if anyone knows of a melee ability which is the equivalent of CS.

So what are you talking about, exactly?

And to be honest, a game where there were no skills, only armor, weapons, light/heavy hits and blocks? That'd be awesome.

Something about pulling the wool over peoples heads. Back door question mate.

bg22

Huckdabuck wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

8-900, and like you said, from stealth.

You call a bunch of sorcs cryin "it's fine, it's fine!" Being slapped around? Lol

And I got up early for work. You should try it.

Hmmmm well then you're getting 8-900 without a crit...wonder how that crit looks. Like you said in one of the other posts yesterday maybe we should just bring out the nerf hammer and just decimate every class to hit for only 1 damange with their fists and not allow any blocks or CCs/Stuns/Mezzs. That would increase TTK and basically ensure that whomever hit first wins and seeing how you're a stealthier....that'd make you the winner everytime. God why didn't I see your logic before.

Working is for the poor and I'd rather improve my uberleet PvP skillz. /sarcasm

Less QQ and moar L2PvP.

That was in regards to a crit. Get your facts straight before you waste your time writing something so long and pointless.

Also, I don't use invisibility. Full man-mode. Moar deeps or go home.

Huckdabuck

bg22 wrote: »

That was in regards to a crit. Get your facts straight before you waste your time writing something so long and pointless.

Also, I don't use invisibility. Full man-mode. Moar deeps or go home.

Well to quote you.....

bg22 wrote: »

I stopped reading after 4 words.

Less QQ MOAR L2PvP

One Two

Nooblet wrote: »

1.it has a cast time.
2. You can block or roll dodge and make it laughably bad.
3. There are many spells that reflect spells back to caster.
4. It doesnt do very much dps, just spike hits that are avoidable. If you let that many crystal fragments hit you in a row, its definitely a l2p issue.
5. You died to ultimate.

I've been killed in under 2 seconds by nightblades.

Crystal fragments is good only against people who are bad or not paying attention, otherwise its junk.

Even in pve.. crystal fragments is our top dps... yet sorc is in last place for st dps.

Try not to compare class abilities to weapon abilities, they are not comparable atm.

Are you high? sorc in last spot for DPS...
What ever you are smoking, pass it around so we can all talk some serious *** like you.

temjiu

BrassRazoo wrote: »

temjiu wrote: »

Lvl 26 Sorc, average gear blue weapon
Crystal Fragments III – (187 magicka) 269 damage, 2 second Kockdown. 30 ft range <--- seems like a small detail doesn't it....
1.5 second cast, and 35% chance to make next cast cost HALF magicka and be INSTANT...with ANY spell you cast. I could spam a 5 magick spell all day long and hit this every time it procs. Not that I have a 5 magicka spell, but it's really the point...I would SOO love to have a proc that gave me an instant and half off uppercut. But I guess we don't need it cause 2h is so amazingly OP ya know...
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You quote the un-morhed figures (187 Magika) and then you quote the morphed effect. Nice try.

Gives us a break.

Um...it is morphed. it's on my sorc. who morphed it. I pulled those numbers directly from her character sheet. that's the morphed cost. you really make yourself look silly there, but I appreciate your dedication to the mis-balance that exists in the game atm.

EDIT: hmm...although looking at the ragefest in this thread, I have worries that my information may be being mis-used. This has NOTHING to do with a class that I think needs to be nerfed. sorcs are fine. This has to do with the sever imbalance that exists between magick based skills and Stamina based skills. the sorcs skill was simply a comparative example of this. so take it as it is plz.

Sorcs don't need to be nerfed. melee(stamina) skills need to be buffed.

Reykice

If it was any truth the Sorc spamming that spell would do more dps compared to other classes... he doesn`t....
What you see as a big number is worse that the many little numbers that come from other classes. So yea, its fine... also in PvP anyone not reflecting or stopping the cast will die to a Crystal Shard because Crystal Shard is the ideal anti noob spell... but go try it vs a decent PvP`er and you will kill yourself.

That`s the truth... and the only reason every sorc has it is because its the only Sorc spell that does damage and is not some kind of dot.... the rest are delayed or executes or aoe`s...

Next time complain about why every weapon used uses light/heavy attacks, it makes just as much sense...

Jade1986

Reevster wrote: »

Reenlister wrote: »

Reevster wrote: »

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I cant tell you how many times a Melee kills 3 mobs in the same time my sorc takes to kill just one.

Needs buffed badly.

where do ye be that the melee is strong? I need to be heading there.. If ye mean melee as in a sword? Not none of that magiky stuff, that 'taint melee. Maybe ye all be having a problem with this here magic, I dun use it, so I wont pretend to unnerstand, but I fer sure know that the magiky's sure do kill a lot around me..

Well gee let me think, ....Templers with their shard jabby thingy , they have like 3 or 4 mobs at 30 percent health before I am even near close to killing just one, then you have NBs...they jump ahead and destroy one mob before I even get a chance to start a cast and then they are on too the next mob, and well DKs...they just destroy stuff..P ......

Nerf Melee I say.....

Those are magic attacks, not melee stamina based attacks, learn the difference.

Reykice

laced wrote: »

Reevster wrote: »

Reenlister wrote: »

Reevster wrote: »

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I cant tell you how many times a Melee kills 3 mobs in the same time my sorc takes to kill just one.

Needs buffed badly.

where do ye be that the melee is strong? I need to be heading there.. If ye mean melee as in a sword? Not none of that magiky stuff, that 'taint melee. Maybe ye all be having a problem with this here magic, I dun use it, so I wont pretend to unnerstand, but I fer sure know that the magiky's sure do kill a lot around me..

Well gee let me think, ....Templers with their shard jabby thingy , they have like 3 or 4 mobs at 30 percent health before I am even near close to killing just one, then you have NBs...they jump ahead and destroy one mob before I even get a chance to start a cast and then they are on too the next mob, and well DKs...they just destroy stuff..P ......

Nerf Melee I say.....

Those are magic attacks, not melee stamina based attacks, learn the difference.

They are melee... and use physical crit... either way the truth is that none are OP and that melee also has options to do as well as ranged in dps... even better if you use a ranged sorc as a baseline as the sorc using Crystal Shards will do less dps compared to a NB... the difference is that this game punishes melee. The reason most melee players die is because its harder as a melee, due to the way npc`s react/attack, not because ranged has better damage or cc....

fiachsidhe

bg22 wrote: »

Nah, I can still steamroll it, I just want it to be even easier. ^^

Well part of that is definitely true.