So what melee abilities can I spam to CC and equate the damage of Cyrstal Fragments? (Pics)

Akhratos

bg22 wrote: »

Nooblet wrote: »

Try not to compare class abilities to weapon abilities, they are not comparable atm.

Thats the point, kid.

These two posts are all you need to read to comprehend this thread.

But hey, you can build light and keep using your class skills while you use a lampost, but us shinny knights would like some real melee feeling.

You know, "those others" skill trees like heavy, 2handed, dual wield... you just need to compare stamina cost/damage vs magicka cost/damage to see the point.

I know, stfu, cap armor with light+immovable while having the best dps passive bonuses and use the already better class skills instead of "those others" down there that cost double and hurts half.

Or be happy being subpar, wich is the point Nooblet tries to teach us. You just need to unload the hells of the mighty uppercut standing in their face for a 1,5s cast. It does TONS of damage (for a stamina skill, of course [might need a nerf]) and benefits so much from sta..

Bunku

crystal shards is not the problem, its the combination of that and bolt escape.

In short: bolt escape.

tanthil

bg22 wrote: »

Almost forgot. If the ability wasn't OP, you wouldn't be clawing to defend it.

bash damage is still very strong after the nerf, and if anyone opposes that statement it just proves its true

Not everyone makes a thread when a sorcerer kills them in pvp, oddly enough because they are so couterable AT EVERYTHING THEY DO lololol people cry becasue sorcerers run away with bolt escape because they are actually in bad pvp

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fiachsidhe

You see, this is why I loath PVP in mmorpgs. Because every game has its own little division of lazy players who demand every class that kicks their asses too much get nerfed into the ground until everything sucks. And eventually, these kids will just rage quit anyway and move on to the next game they hope will be the new Dark Age of Camelot.

dennis.schmelzleb16_ESO

Who uses CF if it doesn`t proc, except as an opener (and even then I rather charge a heavy attack, doing maybe 50 damage less for 0 magicka).

@meele
There are only 2 skills worth considering.
2H charge and S+B charge.
Rests not worth the downsides it has.

But instead of moaning about CF you should rather ask why this ultimate did 1100 damage.
Which is very low. I hit people for 2200+ and the ultimate costs are very low.
Velocious Curse + soul strike + mages wrath = 3400 damage in 4 secs.

Leesha

fiachsidhe wrote: »

You see, this is why I loath PVP in mmorpgs. Because every game has its own little division of lazy players who demand every class that kicks their asses too much get nerfed into the ground and eventually everything sucks. and eventually these kids will just rage quit anyway and move on to the next game they hope will be the new Dark Age of Camelot.

I agree completely. No, let's not learn how to counter the abilities we think are soooo op, let's just cry for their nerf. I never say learn to play but in this case, learn to play against a sorc or level one up yourself.

Kypho

Nooblet wrote: »

1.it has a cast time.
2. You can block or roll dodge and make it laughably bad. LoL if you can dodge it. not always working. dodge is so ... mehh... in this game. But ofc Block or roll dodge makes any attack laughably bad. wtf do you want with this point....
3. There are many spells that reflect spells back to caster. Yo. i dont have any abilities at hand mate....
4. It doesnt do very much dps, just spike hits that are avoidable. If you let that many crystal fragments hit you in a row, its definitely a l2p issue. 500+ damage, maybe 800 crits can happen, ye.... not much LoL
5. You died to ultimate. What need to get dmg lowered

I've been killed in under 2 seconds by nightblades. Yupp from stealth/hide call how you want. Try it without stealth 1 on 1 with NB...... lol Sorc ownage mostly

Crystal fragments is good only against people who are bad or not paying attention, otherwise its junk. Any attack is good only against people who are bad or not paying attention then

Even in pve.. crystal fragments is our top dps... yet sorc is in last place for st dps.

Try not to compare class abilities to weapon abilities, they are not comparable atm.2h is not that bad mixed with class skills right?

monkeymystic

That's some damage....

Crystal Fragments is the highest damage spell in the game, it hurts indeed..

Regoras

fiachsidhe wrote: »

You see, this is why I loath PVP in mmorpgs. Because every game has its own little division of lazy players who demand every class that kicks their asses too much get nerfed into the ground and eventually everything sucks. and eventually these kids will just rage quit anyway and move on to the next game they hope will be the new Dark Age of Camelot.

I actually enjoy PvP and agree with this.

Kililin

If you equip melee weapons without shields you are doing something wrong.

bg22

@Kypho‌ Nicely edited.

See what these posters fell to realize, is that I'm exceptional at 1v1 & 1v2 pvp, which is ALL I do. I'm lvl 13 pvp and it was done completely by myself.

So, I know exactly what is hitting me, how fast it's hitting me and the ways to counter it.

This CS combined with blink, is nearly impossible to counter. If you spam shield charge to close the gap continuously, you're unable to block AND it CCs through shield charge. Also, the damage the charge does is like hitting a brick wall with a wet paper bag full of baby sht. And it drains stamina...

monkeymystic

Sorceror range spell + superior damage FTW
And then blink away like a boss while the rest die.

Sturmwaffel

monkeymystic wrote: »

Sorceror range spell + superior damage FTW
And then blink away like a boss while the rest die.

Go back to WoW.

zaria

crislevin wrote: »

its PVP, extremely chaotic situation, to see all attacks coming to you is pretty much impossible.

yeah you can dodge, yeah you can do a lot of things, but in a zerg fest?

True, however in an zerg feast your get hit by all sort of stuff and burst damage is always dangerous as it can overwhelm healing, this also applies for spawnable stuff.
However the long casting time also make it impractical to use against hurt enemies, here spawning silver bolt work better.

NordJitsu

Critical Rush + Executioner should do the trick.

Depending on what class you're playing, there's some really nasty openers to start with. I like Aurora Javelin + Critical Rush + Executioner. Its a really nasty hard hitting combo.

oxygen_boarderb16_ESO

NordJitsu wrote: »

Critical Rush + Executioner should do the trick.

Depending on what class you're playing, there's some really nasty openers to start with. I like Aurora Javelin + Critical Rush + Executioner. Its a really nasty hard hitting combo.

swap execute w/ Biting Jabs as a templar. Monster combo

NordJitsu

@oxygen_boarderb16_ESO‌

Well the OP did ask for a Stamina dump, but I suppose it would depend on whether you are Medium Armor or Light Armor and whether you have more Stam or Magicka.

If you're Medium Armor, you're already going to have a ton of Crit. Bitting Jabs increases Crit chance against low health enemies, but not raw damage. Executioner increases the damage up to 300% depending on how much health they have missing. It also does an additional 25% damage to low health enemies on top of that.

So if you're get them low with Javelin and Rush, you can just alternate light/heavy attacks with repeated casts of Executioner.

monkeymystic

The biggest problem I can see with crystal shard is when they get the instant proc. Then it's some heavy burst.

NordJitsu

monkeymystic wrote: »

The biggest problem I can see with crystal shard is when they get the instant proc. Then it's some heavy burst.

@monkeymystic‌

Lol, problem.

Damage skill doing damage.

Biggest problem I see with Reflective Scales is when it reflects things back for extra damage. Wait....

Huckdabuck

bg22 wrote: »

@Kypho‌ Nicely edited.

See what these posters fell to realize, is that I'm exceptional at 1v1 & 1v2 pvp, which is ALL I do. I'm lvl 13 pvp and it was done completely by myself.

So, I know exactly what is hitting me, how fast it's hitting me and the ways to counter it.

This CS combined with blink, is nearly impossible to counter. If you spam shield charge to close the gap continuously, you're unable to block AND it CCs through shield charge. Also, the damage the charge does is like hitting a brick wall with a wet paper bag full of baby sht. And it drains stamina...

Are you actually trying to chase a sorc while he's blinking away? If so, you're doing it wrong and it's best to let a sorc chase a blinking sorc! I'm gonna say it now.....L2PvP and less QQ.

bg22

Huckdabuck wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

@Kypho‌ Nicely edited.

See what these posters fell to realize, is that I'm exceptional at 1v1 & 1v2 pvp, which is ALL I do. I'm lvl 13 pvp and it was done completely by myself.

So, I know exactly what is hitting me, how fast it's hitting me and the ways to counter it.

This CS combined with blink, is nearly impossible to counter. If you spam shield charge to close the gap continuously, you're unable to block AND it CCs through shield charge. Also, the damage the charge does is like hitting a brick wall with a wet paper bag full of baby sht. And it drains stamina...

Are you actually trying to chase a sorc while he's blinking away? If so, you're doing it wrong and it's best to let a sorc chase a blinking sorc! I'm gonna say it now.....L2PvP and less QQ.

Oh no, I do chase w/ 1h/shields invasion. And it works great. Where did I say I couldn't catch a escaping sorc? Bc 90% of the time I do. I don't Zerg, so thanks for the worthless advice and it seems you're the one that needs a lil L2P.

I kills sorcs 99% of the time too. I'm just sayin CS is ridiculous.

Erock25

bg22 wrote: »

I kills sorcs 99% of the time too. I'm just sayin CS is ridiculous.

I don't always cry nerfs on the forum, but when I do it's because I fail to kill a class 1 in 100 tries and since I have skills that pay the bills, that class must be nerfed.

Kililin

bg22 wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

@Kypho‌ Nicely edited.

See what these posters fell to realize, is that I'm exceptional at 1v1 & 1v2 pvp, which is ALL I do. I'm lvl 13 pvp and it was done completely by myself.

So, I know exactly what is hitting me, how fast it's hitting me and the ways to counter it.

This CS combined with blink, is nearly impossible to counter. If you spam shield charge to close the gap continuously, you're unable to block AND it CCs through shield charge. Also, the damage the charge does is like hitting a brick wall with a wet paper bag full of baby sht. And it drains stamina...

Are you actually trying to chase a sorc while he's blinking away? If so, you're doing it wrong and it's best to let a sorc chase a blinking sorc! I'm gonna say it now.....L2PvP and less QQ.

Oh no, I do chase w/ 1h/shields invasion. And it works great. Where did I say I couldn't catch a escaping sorc? Bc 90% of the time I do. I don't Zerg, so thanks for the worthless advice and it seems you're the one that needs a lil L2P.

I kills sorcs 99% of the time too. I'm just sayin CS is ridiculous.

that makes no sense, or wait, ist it:
You kill sorcs 99% of the time, still the spell they use to kill you in 1% of the time is OP.
You are skilled, thats a fact, and they are not, also fact.
So they have to lose 100% of the time because you play so well.

Understood.

Huckdabuck

bg22 wrote: »

Oh no, I do chase w/ 1h/shields invasion. And it works great. Where did I say I couldn't catch a escaping sorc? Bc 90% of the time I do. I don't Zerg, so thanks for the worthless advice and it seems you're the one that needs a lil L2P.

I kills sorcs 99% of the time too. I'm just sayin CS is ridiculous.

Why would I need to L2P (I'm not coming to the forum and QQ'n about anything being OP that really isn't)? If you have no problem killing them 99% of the time then what about the Blink/CS combo makes it ridiculous enough for you to come to the forum and complain? If you're winning 1V1's or 1V2's against similar ranked players who are sorcs then good for you but I smell bovine excrement and honestly revert back to my L2PvP comment concerning your QQ.

bg22

Huckdabuck wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

Oh no, I do chase w/ 1h/shields invasion. And it works great. Where did I say I couldn't catch a escaping sorc? Bc 90% of the time I do. I don't Zerg, so thanks for the worthless advice and it seems you're the one that needs a lil L2P.

I kills sorcs 99% of the time too. I'm just sayin CS is ridiculous.

Why would I need to L2P (I'm not coming to the forum and QQ'n about anything being OP that really isn't)? If you have no problem killing them 99% of the time then what about the Blink/CS combo makes it ridiculous enough for you to come to the forum and complain? If you're winning 1V1's or 1V2's against similar ranked players who are sorcs then good for you but I smell bovine excrement and honestly revert back to my L2PvP comment concerning your QQ.

I stopped reading after 4 words.

bg22

Kililin wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

@Kypho‌ Nicely edited.

See what these posters fell to realize, is that I'm exceptional at 1v1 & 1v2 pvp, which is ALL I do. I'm lvl 13 pvp and it was done completely by myself.

So, I know exactly what is hitting me, how fast it's hitting me and the ways to counter it.

This CS combined with blink, is nearly impossible to counter. If you spam shield charge to close the gap continuously, you're unable to block AND it CCs through shield charge. Also, the damage the charge does is like hitting a brick wall with a wet paper bag full of baby sht. And it drains stamina...

Are you actually trying to chase a sorc while he's blinking away? If so, you're doing it wrong and it's best to let a sorc chase a blinking sorc! I'm gonna say it now.....L2PvP and less QQ.

Oh no, I do chase w/ 1h/shields invasion. And it works great. Where did I say I couldn't catch a escaping sorc? Bc 90% of the time I do. I don't Zerg, so thanks for the worthless advice and it seems you're the one that needs a lil L2P.

I kills sorcs 99% of the time too. I'm just sayin CS is ridiculous.

that makes no sense, or wait, ist it:
You kill sorcs 99% of the time, still the spell they use to kill you in 1% of the time is OP.
You are skilled, thats a fact, and they are not, also fact.
So they have to lose 100% of the time because you play so well.

Understood.

Finally, someone understands.

bg22

Erock25 wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

I kills sorcs 99% of the time too. I'm just sayin CS is ridiculous.

I don't always cry nerfs on the forum, but when I do it's because I fail to kill a class 1 in 100 tries and since I have skills that pay the bills, that class must be nerfed.

Now we're gettin somewhere.

But in all seriousness, I never said anything ab nerds did I?

Huckdabuck

bg22 wrote: »

I stopped reading after 4 words.

TLDR: I smell bs.

gladen5rwb17_ESO

OMG just stop. Every time I come here someone else is bitching about another skill another class has that you can't cope with. Why not just ask for every darn class to have NO skills and we beat the hell out of each other with our fists.. Oh but wait, he has bigger hands than me, OP. Nerf character creation!

bg22

gladen5rwb17_ESO wrote: »

OMG just stop. Every time I come here someone else is bitching about another skill another class has that you can't cope with. Why not just ask for every darn class to have NO skills and we beat the hell out of each other with our fists.. Oh but wait, he has bigger hands than me, OP. Nerf character creation!

Actually my OP was a question asking if anyone knows of a melee ability which is the equivalent of CS.

So what are you talking about, exactly?

And to be honest, a game where there were no skills, only armor, weapons, light/heavy hits and blocks? That'd be awesome.