Trials completion in 11mins?
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flo_wb16_ESOSoul Shriven
Hi I am running Restro staff and Full magicka build and I can confirm NBs can out dps most Sorcs and be on par with top Tier Sorcs in single target.
There is no chance to catch up to DKs ...
NBs even provide 30% dmg mitigation for the whole raid with their Ults which are up almost 100% with this setup.
If also using shades its another 15% but will lower dps.
So it is absolutly viable to take at least 1 or 2 NBs to get top times
See here screenshots of Final Boss in archives and the second boss.
Dps can be even higher as these were not best trys. As you can see Impale crit rate is pretty low on mage fight. My max dps lifetime was around 1.1k on 3rd boss in archives.
IF you ned more info on setup just let me know. This was only running magicka buff food btw.
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Vuron✭✭✭✭✭peeslingerb14_ESO wrote: »
No. The answer is always no.
Not always... you can swap out the Destro. You could create a crit bar just for weapon crit for impale use during the burn phase. It might be better to go with DW daggers to maximize your crit chance.
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✭✭With the buffs coming in this patch Nightblades will clearly be the best Ranged Dps, pretty big buffs. Just think outside the box put away those stamina builds and bring out the magicka
In case of eso 'the box' is in fact the cloth/staff builds.P2P offered you 'hell yeah!' moments. F2P offers you 'thank god its over' moments.0 -
flo_wb16_ESOSoul Shrivenpeeslingerb14_ESO wrote: »
No running a single bar with the skills you see on screenshot and 7 light armor with restro staff.
3 times 12 spell dmg so there is even room for improvements ...
Switching to Dagger for the Impale phase is something that I will for sure try in future as well ...
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Jaxom✭✭✭✭peeslingerb14_ESO wrote: »
No. The answer is always no.
Not always... you can swap out the Destro. You could create a crit bar just for weapon crit for impale use during the burn phase. It might be better to go with DW daggers to maximize your crit chance.
I agree. It's a sort of viable build, just not as good. I don't even run Destro. I use dual Resto for the 10% passive damage and focus on single target. I would much rather use dual wield and bow but until they fix stamina builds, I'll avoid it. I went with Leeching Strikes so using a Destro staff doesn't give me enough sustain.0 -
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well good for you. but I did see the names of some people I saw exploiting in PvP. Im sure they did the same in craglorn.NookyZooky wrote: »The funny thing about this? I checked the craglorn leaderboards, and all those people that are at the top, that cleared the trials and dungs in 11 minutes, are a bunch of exploiters. I know because I played them in PvP. they would spawn camp, they used EP alts to pull chain their fellow AD players into a keep, they would drive us from a keep, but not cap it, keep the gates closed and try to destroy all the walls, forcing us to waste money, among MANY other things. Don't think these people are actually good, because they are not. They are cheaters and exploiters. Pay them no mind. let them die off so actual Skilled players, can take their place
Check again, I beat it in 11 minutes and 29 second and im in Daggerfall, NA.. We didn't exploit anything.. Tbh, we could probably even shave of another 30 seconds out of that run.. And no exploiting was done..
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captain_awesome✭✭✭All I see is people running macros, cancelling. And using bugged skills.
Exploiting. Cheats. Boring.Dominion FTW.0 -
Spawn✭✭✭NookyZooky wrote: »well good for you. but I did see the names of some people I saw exploiting in PvP. Im sure they did the same in craglorn.captain_awesome wrote: »All I see is people running macros, cancelling. And using bugged skills.
Exploiting. Cheats. Boring.
People don't understand how everything works and they just think people are exploiting, both of you need to take a step back and learn more about the game.Hexspawn
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQYq2cimpuw
I don't see any exploit here. Just people that know their class and push their characters to the optimal dps and rotation possible.
It's time to stop crying and learn how to play your characters, the only thing that need to get change is the damage on weapons, the game is made in a way that bow, dual wield and two handed are just not optimal for PvE in terms of overall damage.Edited by SteveRuimy on 3 June 2014 07:37Light You Up
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Quaesivi✭✭✭I think it would also be a miracle to complete any Trial at all with nothing but 2 healers, rest is weapon users. bow/dw/2h and whatnot. It would not be the completion time but completing at all, considering anything that is not wearing a dress and wielding a stick is booted out.0 -
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✭Well fear no more, with the recent (and seriously needed) balance pass on DK's the Trials might actually take a whole minute longer to complete, lawl.0 -
captain_awesome✭✭✭NookyZooky wrote: »well good for you. but I did see the names of some people I saw exploiting in PvP. Im sure they did the same in craglorn.captain_awesome wrote: »All I see is people running macros, cancelling. And using bugged skills.
Exploiting. Cheats. Boring.
People don't understand how everything works and they just think people are exploiting, both of you need to take a step back and learn more about the game.
Many people exploited and farmed the Emperor title for all their friends.
Many people are exploiting bugged stave skills.
Those same people are doing trials.
Why don't you take your own advice and step back.Dominion FTW.0 -
Veakoth✭✭✭captain_awesome wrote: »Many people exploited and farmed the Emperor title for all their friends.
Many people are exploiting bugged stave skills.
Those same people are doing trials.
Why don't you take your own advice and step back.
You want to throw around generalized accusations when there's live streams and proof of legitimate runs without exploits. You don't know how to do it yourself so you sum it up to exploitation.
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Wait what ? there are 2 trials ? I thought only Archives was released but now i see thats a whole other raid dungeon !?!?! Hel ra citadel is also one ?0
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Veakoth✭✭✭Yes and they have another section to be released called the serpent trails that is set to be the northern part of the current craglorn0
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It's ZOS, I'd wager not for another monthNickdorlandb16_ESO wrote: »Ow but not at this moment right ?0 -
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ähm wich rotation?SteveRuimy wrote: »https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQYq2cimpuw
I don't see any exploit here. Just people that know their class and push their characters to the optimal dps and rotation possible.
Edited by Tankqull on 3 June 2014 11:44spelling and grammar errors are free to be abused
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Hearts✭✭✭captain_awesome wrote: »NookyZooky wrote: »well good for you. but I did see the names of some people I saw exploiting in PvP. Im sure they did the same in craglorn.captain_awesome wrote: »All I see is people running macros, cancelling. And using bugged skills.
Exploiting. Cheats. Boring.
People don't understand how everything works and they just think people are exploiting, both of you need to take a step back and learn more about the game.
Many people exploited and farmed the Emperor title for all their friends.
Many people are exploiting bugged stave skills.
Those same people are doing trials.
Why don't you take your own advice and step back.
Many people exploited what and got Emperor? Farming Emperor is one thing but exploiting what? Saying that they pulled them up over the wall with DK isnt a step towards Emperor.. And even if it was that, you don't have any proof and are most likely lying because you are throwing trash talks everywhere. And EVEN if being a former emperor would do anything, all it would really do is 5% less ultimate cost and 1% more healing.. Are you saying that these buffs are what makes them different from everyone else? 5% less ultimate is making them do a 30 min dungeon in 10 minutes?
Exploiting what bugged stave skill? DKs have a passive buff that increases their fire damage.. They are using a fire staff.. What exploit is happening here, should they be using a Bow that doesn't give them more damage compared to other weapons?
My group had no one exploiting anything, its all about min maxing your dps and healing. We run Barrier because Barrier is great for Trials, we have at least one nightblade and at least one templar for their ultimate, Sorcerers are great for running ultimates like War Horn or Barrier and DKs go with standards because even if it wouldn't have been so OP, it would still give damage mitigation which is once again great for Trials.
You are just mindlessly yelling things out because you don't understand how you get to be good enough to farm trials and how to speedrun it.0 -
flo_wb16_ESOSoul Shrivencaptain_awesome wrote: »NookyZooky wrote: »well good for you. but I did see the names of some people I saw exploiting in PvP. Im sure they did the same in craglorn.captain_awesome wrote: »All I see is people running macros, cancelling. And using bugged skills.
Exploiting. Cheats. Boring.
People don't understand how everything works and they just think people are exploiting, both of you need to take a step back and learn more about the game.
Many people exploited and farmed the Emperor title for all their friends.
Many people are exploiting bugged stave skills.
Those same people are doing trials.
Why don't you take your own advice and step back.
If you are not able to do things it does not mean that others can only do it with exploits.
If you have a good group that knows what to do the TRIALS are super easy. Its like doing a normal veteran dungeon only difference you are 12 people and need some more coordination. There is no need at all to exploit this dumb content. So please stop talking about content you do not know yourself.
THX
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Pmarsico9✭✭✭✭People once again fast to draw conclusions and say PTS testers taking advantage of x & y.
The point made above as an example, the fact that PvP buffs are enabled in Trials was raised as a concern by these players in testing but they were left in as was by ZOS as a design decision.
Testers will gain knowledge of fights due to the nature of testing content and also tend to be more skilled players. So plenty of reasons why they are likely to be pushing the envelope of what is possible in Trial runs.
Like others have said, there are live streams available to watch also.
Personally I feel PvP buffs should not be enabled in Trials.
Difficulty is not where it should be if end content is able to be zerged through in close to 10 minutes even if it is top guild groups.
Using all possible advantage including PvP buffs, experience, careful planning, class selection etc. is all part of high end raiding and always has been. It does not mean it is an abuse just taking advantage of what's possible.
As soon as you start trying to fight this and removing class identities to even the playing field "once and for all" you end up with an amorphous blob of classless game (aka World of Warcraft since patch 2.4.)
How to fix:
Passive-by-passive fine tune everything. Spend the time to do it. The passives are where you tweak.
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Axer✭✭✭✭flo_wb16_ESO wrote: »
Hi I am running Restro staff and Full magicka build and I can confirm NBs can out dps most Sorcs and be on par with top Tier Sorcs in single target.
There is no chance to catch up to DKs ...
NBs even provide 30% dmg mitigation for the whole raid with their Ults which are up almost 100% with this setup.
If also using shades its another 15% but will lower dps.
So it is absolutly viable to take at least 1 or 2 NBs to get top times
See here screenshots of Final Boss in archives and the second boss.
Dps can be even higher as these were not best trys. As you can see Impale crit rate is pretty low on mage fight. My max dps lifetime was around 1.1k on 3rd boss in archives.
IF you ned more info on setup just let me know. This was only running magicka buff food btw.
Nice, however what I asked for, was single target dps.
The mage battle can never really be single target, as her axes really love her, and constantly go back towards her no matter how good your tank is. So it's also somewhat aoe.
Our DKs almost always hit over 2k due to axes geting hit by their banner.
Especially since your top dps is veil of blades, a very strong aoe ultimate.
I agree having ONE nightblade on the mage is extremely helpful. Especially one with a resto staff and veil of blades. I take one for that reason.
Still doesn't give me much reason to take one for dps reasons. Or take multiples.
How do you get ultimate that fast though? Healing springs? or just spamming a lot of light attacks and funnel health? (id guess the later on the screenshot, but not sure how you get that much crit)Axer. Main tank and Leader of Crush it! (NA-EP highly skilled trials guild)1 -
flo_wb16_ESOSoul Shrivenflo_wb16_ESO wrote: »
Hi I am running Restro staff and Full magicka build and I can confirm NBs can out dps most Sorcs and be on par with top Tier Sorcs in single target.
There is no chance to catch up to DKs ...
NBs even provide 30% dmg mitigation for the whole raid with their Ults which are up almost 100% with this setup.
If also using shades its another 15% but will lower dps.
So it is absolutly viable to take at least 1 or 2 NBs to get top times
See here screenshots of Final Boss in archives and the second boss.
Dps can be even higher as these were not best trys. As you can see Impale crit rate is pretty low on mage fight. My max dps lifetime was around 1.1k on 3rd boss in archives.
IF you ned more info on setup just let me know. This was only running magicka buff food btw.
Nice, however what I asked for, was single target dps.
The mage battle can never really be single target, as her axes really love her, and constantly go back towards her no matter how good your tank is. So it's also somewhat aoe.
Our DKs almost always hit over 2k due to axes geting hit by their banner.
Especially since your top dps is veil of blades, a very strong aoe ultimate.
I agree having ONE nightblade on the mage is extremely helpful. Especially one with a resto staff and veil of blades. I take one for that reason.
Still doesn't give me much reason to take one for dps reasons. Or take multiples.
How do you get ultimate that fast though? Healing springs? or just spamming a lot of light attacks and funnel health? (id guess the later on the screenshot, but not sure how you get that much crit)
You are right there is a little bit of AOE as well especially on MAGE fight.
However on the Stone Atronarch (second boss) there is almost non AOE. The few adds that spawn are killed instantly by the raid so my DMG from the Ulti is lets say maximum 5k as those have only 20 k life. So this puts me still over 900dps.
You asked for proove and I gave it.
The Ulti was gained that fast because of crits ... with mage light and sets I come on 55%. Ulti now does not recover anymore that fast after patch but it can crit now so dps stays almost same, in the end its a bit lower ...
Edited by flo_wb16_ESO on 5 June 2014 18:070