Trials completion in 11mins?

Axer

That trial is not a large dungeon. It can be ran thru in about 90 seconds with the pvp run buff (if there was no monsters).

It's only 4 bosses.

I'm quite sure it can be done in 6-7 minutes legit. Don't believe they did anything really not legit. They simply took more DPS specced DKs then other groups.

You simply have to take 11 DKs and maybe 1 templar or sorcerer healer to do that.

The game is insanely unbalnaced right now, so not taking DKs actaully makes hte trials insanely hard to even complete. Yet if you take a ton.. You can not only do it easier, but insanely fast too.

The amount of dps a DK can push out compared to NB and Templar is absurd. Even sorcerers are very far behind.

Personally getting very frusterated at it, since for whatever reason there just doesn't seem to be as many DPS spec'd DK on the Ebonbheart pact NA server that are interested in it. Spam zone chat for hours and all I get is "hi im a great nightblade!"..

A group of 12 of the best NB on the server could not complete this trial.
12 DKs could roll there face on there keyboards and it would likely complete.

hamon

if this doesnt highlight how broken class balance is right now ZOS i,ll make it plain

if all you need is 11 dk's and maybe one temp for heals to be at maximum efficiency you classes are broken

i thank these guilds for making it glaringly obvious that all other classes are simply sub par.. sorc slightly and the other 2 well below par

fix your game zos all you do is stupid crap like make templars worse while its been obvious to anyone with half a brain that dK's have been streets ahead of the other classes since release

demonlkojipub19_ESO

Sure.... people running on PTS are surely not there to get first eyes on content so that when it goes live they can wtfpwn it before anyone else. That definitely is not their motive. They only exist to make the game a wonderful place for all, free of charge.

How else could everything be SOO balanced, if not for the heros on the PTS.

netsike

Lovely

There's ONE templar there! I still have hope!

demonlkojipub19_ESO

Haha look, DK's and Sorcs, with the 1 token templar for heals.

All Aldmeri Dominion too.

Enkshar

Zos looking at leader board: "Raid has all three classes as NB where never implemented, so thats ok, but it bothers me that they only need one templar... Templar healing must be OP, lets nerf it"

netsike

Looks like ESO has just 2 classes left. DK and sorcerer.

Erlindur

Enkshar wrote: »

Zos looking at leader board: "Raid has all three classes as NB where never implemented, so thats ok, but it bothers me that they only need one templar... Templar healing must be OP, lets nerf it"

NBs are so OP that they can solo the trials. It just takes them a couple of mins more, so they don't show in the leatherboards. Nerf NBs as well. I heard they have an ability that can heal up to 80 hp every 2 secs.

DeLindsay

Enkshar wrote: »

Zos looking at leader board: "Raid has all three classes as NB where never implemented, so thats ok, but it bothers me that they only need one templar... Templar healing must be OP, lets nerf it"

The very sad part of that "joke" is that I swear devs in some games must literally think that way. There's simply no other explanation for some of the stupid stuff that some game devs do (not saying ZoS, just in general). What's worse is that yes, you pretty much can't even get into a Trial right now as a NB unless it's a Guild run or group of friends. Day one was fine because people took just about anyone as long as they weren't tards, now it's all about get it done as fast as possible so no NB sorry.

I'm one of the players who has learned to deal with the shortcomings of NB's since the beginning and I still have high hopes for the class, maybe it's just me liking playing the underdog to prove others wrong or something. Unfortunately atm there isn't much I can prove to anyone about NB lol, oh except that I can sneak to EVERY Skyshard in Craglorn Delves solo without engaging a single mob, go NB! The irony is so can any other class, we just get +25% speed while crouching HA!!

davidhorstub17_ESO

Hold on guys NBs are totally viable to take in trials, i mean someone has to stand there spamming standard and talon synergy lol.

Axer

Yea it's pretty funny how with 200 million dollars spent on the game ZO could not afford to maybe hire a SINGLE hardcore gamer to play-test the game and advise the devs on balance.

Well, ZO.. I'm available for work and some minor advice from me could make this game 1000x better. I'm not cheap, but with 200 million to pass around I may be available. Message me.

Seems to me every major mmo should have at least a few hardcore gamer testers/advisers to get the balance right. Devs simply don't have the time to play the game enough to know this stuff. And proper QA guys don't either - they find bugs, not balance issues.

Imo one of the most vital roles for such a company, yet if you look at ZOs jobs site, they have none for that..... Rather telling.

zinoviy22b14_ESO

Those guys are the AD emp guild. Almost all of them have the emp skill tree.. making them better then then the rest..

zazamalek

davidhorstub17_ESO wrote: »

Hold on guys NBs are totally viable to take in trials, i mean someone has to stand there spamming standard and talon synergy lol.

Hey hey, don't joke - that's what I do! As an NB tank I also make sure that there's this completely useless "Irradiate" synergy that obliterates my raid's DPS when they use it. Other than that I'm "off-healing" 40HP/s. I also press block a lot, that way I don't get instagibbed and consume souls - I can't defend myself any other way.

NB is viable, I'm telling you!

Axer wrote: »

Seems to me every major mmo should have at least a few hardcore gamer testers/advisers to get the balance right.

They do, and they all got practice in with DKs - ever wonder why DKs work so well?

Axer

zinoviy22b14_ESO wrote: »

Those guys are the AD emp guild. Almost all of them have the emp skill tree.. making them better then then the rest..

While the active emperor buff is insane, the former one is not really overpowered.

Player skill will always trump those minor passives, so I don't think it's an issue at all.

The number one factor in DPS, assuming your a dk with proper gear - is player skills. Timing and execution is what gave them the time, not former emperor.

DeLindsay

"Former" Emps get VERY little benefit from those passive talents, and unless those guys are running with a full group of Emps from all
Campaigns simultaneously then they're not THAT OP, just a little better.

DeLindsay

zazamalek wrote: »

Other than that I'm "off-healing" 40HP/s. I also press block a lot, that way I don't get instagibbed and consume souls - I can't defend myself any other way.

NB is viable, I'm telling you!

Although I can see the sarcasm in your comment, you aren't the only one to imply that NB is incapable of surviving hits like the other 3 classes are. I don't know how people even play without taking their own survivability into account. When a player raids you HAVE to be survivable enough that you aren't a drain on the Healer's resources. That said, is it really so difficult to put 2 Glyphs on your 2 rings, one for Armor one for Resists which should put most players over soft cap (30%) for both. You can always have your "glass canon" rings for fights where you won't take insta-gib type damage.

And any NB is welcome to take the Light or Heavy armor ability to give themselves an added "oh-[snip]" button, just like every other class can.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]

Erlindur

DeLindsay wrote: »

You can always have your "glass canon" rings for fights where you won't take insta-gib type damage.

The problem is that we are not glass-cannons, we are just plainly glass, nothing else.

DeLindsay

LOL, I got edited by a mod for typing in my own edited word, WIN.

Shaun98ca2

DeLindsay wrote: »

"Former" Emps get VERY little benefit from those passive talents, and unless those guys are running with a full group of Emps from all
Campaigns simultaneously then they're not THAT OP, just a little better.

LOL this sounds like a challenge. Since they HAVE to be in the same alliance....Im gonna throw the gauntlet down for PVP sake

It CANT be done. There is NO way those 12 people can get even close to 5 current emperors in to the trials at the same time LOL.

Gloran

Hexspawn: Resto/Resto DPS [Sorc]
Tripwyr Manawrath: Resto/Resto DPS [Sorc]
Niwilav: Resto/Destro DPS [Sorc]
Montiquilla Resto/Destro DPS [Sorc]

Ninjuka: Healer [Sorc]
Dyvith Manawrath: Healer [Sorc]

Metal Dimmu: Main Tank/multipurpose [Templar]

Permared: Destro DPS [DK]
Reese Withoutherspoon: Destro DPS [DK]
Luvboard: Destro DPS [DK]
Casuale: Destro DPS [DK]
Fire Shot: Destro DPS [DK]



Not a single minute spent on PTS.
Former Emperor Bonus gives you 5% reduced ultimate cost and 1% more healing recieved.
Mots people of this group have been playing together since 1 week after release and spent a lot of time together doing PvP things.
[ninja edit] You don't get (current) Emperor Bonuses outside of your Home Campaign, only there.

DeLindsay

That's kind of my point, having Former Emperor passives doesn't make a player remotely OP. Now, if this Guild had several players from out side the Guild, each not in the same Guild as others and somehow ALL of them were at the same moment Emperor on their own given Campaigns then yeah, it'd be stupid OP. Besides, although AD usually steamrolls in PvP, it's mostly AB and more recently Wabbajack, not ALL at once.

R0M2K

My subscription time is directly proportional to the amount of "Love" the NB class recieves upon 1.3 patch.

I think 3 months is more than enough patience.

rytroopereb17_ESO

Gloran wrote: »

Hexspawn: Resto/Resto DPS [Sorc]
Tripwyr Manawrath: Resto/Resto DPS [Sorc]
Niwilav: Resto/Destro DPS [Sorc]
Montiquilla Resto/Destro DPS [Sorc]

Ninjuka: Healer [Sorc]
Dyvith Manawrath: Healer [Sorc]

Metal Dimmu: Main Tank/multipurpose [Templar]

Permared: Destro DPS [DK]
Reese Withoutherspoon: Destro DPS [DK]
Luvboard: Destro DPS [DK]
Casuale: Destro DPS [DK]
Fire Shot: Destro DPS [DK]



Not a single minute spent on PTS.
Former Emperor Bonus gives you 5% reduced ultimate cost and 1% more healing recieved.
Mots people of this group have been playing together since 1 week after release and spent a lot of time together doing PvP things.
[ninja edit] You don't get (current) Emperor Bonuses outside of your Home Campaign, only there.

i wonder about sorc dps , healer builds. And why dks running destro instead of resto?

And how you couped with last phase mage?

if you can contact me in [Edit: Content removed in order to keep your personal information secure. Please, do not share it on our forums]
would be great.

zazamalek

DeLindsay wrote: »

Although I can see the sarcasm in your comment

That was all that was required. Elude (Medium Armor), Unstoppable (Heavy Armor) and Bone Surge (Undaunted) FTW. Yes, I was being partially sarcastic.

NBs have Blur/Mirage/Double Take (Assassination); however, I take significantly less damage with Elude (Medium Armor) yet both skills indicate a 15% dodge chance. Meaning the only working "tanking ability" we have is Dark Cloak (which is probably the best tanking ability in the game, granted - doesn't help for the AOE in trials).

That's enough derailing the thread with NB sorrow for one day, though.

limeli8

NB can push past sorc dps easy in the pve group like this, I mean i can think of something simple of the top of my head. Veiled strike spam with light attack in between and with spell symmetry for magica regen (aoe heals will keep you topped off) also keep criple on boss for a bit exra dps, Wear 3 + spell damage jewelry and use resto staff for +10% damage = 1k+ dps if done right.

Zheg

The current problem with trials is that classes aren't even close to balanced, but even within a class - builds aren't balanced. The DKs and sorcs on the leaderboards at the moment are running very similar builds - you won't see much variation. When ZOS implements a dps check that won't allow 95% of builds and classes to succeed, you get what we currently have. It would be nice if they'd just make the fights HARD, rather than a complete failure if you aren't meeting 1000 dps or something eye-roll worthy. The latter (and current state) only fosters elitism and exclusion of classes and builds, which is hardly healthy for the longevity of the game.

I don't think you'd see so much frustration with state of trials if the dps check wispmother boss was a difficult fight that could be overcome with strategy rather than a dps check that 95% of the playerbase cannot meet unless they take up cookie cutter builds. With game design like this, it's going to even make racial choices a hindering/necessary decision, which is the opposite of what ZOS intended/advertised.

Hopefully they fix class and build balance sooner rather than later, and hopefully they stop putting in mechanics that cannot be overcome with strategy, attentiveness, and coordination.

navystylz_ESO

hamon wrote: »

if this doesnt highlight how broken class balance is right now ZOS i,ll make it plain

if all you need is 11 dk's and maybe one temp for heals to be at maximum efficiency you classes are broken

i thank these guilds for making it glaringly obvious that all other classes are simply sub par.. sorc slightly and the other 2 well below par

fix your game zos all you do is stupid crap like make templars worse while its been obvious to anyone with half a brain that dK's have been streets ahead of the other classes since release

Too little, too late though. They had their chance to fix classes and many of the game issues with 1.1.2. Instead they chose to release watered down content and more bugs.

I've never seen so many I've unsubbed thread as I have with this game.

Axer

Gloran wrote: »

Hexspawn: Resto/Resto DPS [Sorc]
Tripwyr Manawrath: Resto/Resto DPS [Sorc]
Niwilav: Resto/Destro DPS [Sorc]
Montiquilla Resto/Destro DPS [Sorc]

Ninjuka: Healer [Sorc]
Dyvith Manawrath: Healer [Sorc]

Metal Dimmu: Main Tank/multipurpose [Templar]

Permared: Destro DPS [DK]
Reese Withoutherspoon: Destro DPS [DK]
Luvboard: Destro DPS [DK]
Casuale: Destro DPS [DK]
Fire Shot: Destro DPS [DK]



Not a single minute spent on PTS.
Former Emperor Bonus gives you 5% reduced ultimate cost and 1% more healing recieved.
Mots people of this group have been playing together since 1 week after release and spent a lot of time together doing PvP things.
[ninja edit] You don't get (current) Emperor Bonuses outside of your Home Campaign, only there.

Nice thanks for the overview. And yea you guys are awesome, wish I was on your server. EP has such worse pve players overall it seems, ZERO trial completions outside of Codemned currently.

(Annoyed the devs lied to us about the server - there is no mega server. The game has 6 servers:
- NA: EP, DC and AD, EU: NA, DC and AD.

Since we absolutely cannot group with you guys at all, we are basically not on the same server. Which sucks, id love to play with you guys. Maybe they will offer server transfers at some point.

I have almost the exact same layout of guild members in my guild, and all extremely skilled players.. (I'm the main tank templar/multipurpose). Just having issues getting everyone online at the same time currently =/

Just have to work harder to get all online at the same time and crush your time

But yea congrats on the run, and I hope to compete with you in the future. Tuesday we plan to make our mark. Aiming at 7-8 minutes.

Zheg

Axer wrote: »

Gloran wrote: »

Hexspawn: Resto/Resto DPS [Sorc]
Tripwyr Manawrath: Resto/Resto DPS [Sorc]
Niwilav: Resto/Destro DPS [Sorc]
Montiquilla Resto/Destro DPS [Sorc]

Ninjuka: Healer [Sorc]
Dyvith Manawrath: Healer [Sorc]

Metal Dimmu: Main Tank/multipurpose [Templar]

Permared: Destro DPS [DK]
Reese Withoutherspoon: Destro DPS [DK]
Luvboard: Destro DPS [DK]
Casuale: Destro DPS [DK]
Fire Shot: Destro DPS [DK]



Not a single minute spent on PTS.
Former Emperor Bonus gives you 5% reduced ultimate cost and 1% more healing recieved.
Mots people of this group have been playing together since 1 week after release and spent a lot of time together doing PvP things.
[ninja edit] You don't get (current) Emperor Bonuses outside of your Home Campaign, only there.

Nice thanks for the overview. And yea you guys are awesome, wish I was on your server. EP has such worse pve players overall it seems, ZERO trial completions outside of Codemned currently.

(Annoyed the devs lied to us about the server - there is no mega server. The game has 6 servers:
- NA: EP, DC and AD, EU: NA, DC and AD.

Since we absolutely cannot group with you guys at all, we are basically not on the same server. Which sucks, id love to play with you guys. Maybe they will offer server transfers at some point.

I have almost the exact same layout of guild members in my guild, and all extremely skilled players.. (I'm the main tank templar/multipurpose). Just having issues getting everyone online at the same time currently =/

Just have to work harder to get all online at the same time and crush your time

But yea congrats on the run, and I hope to compete with you in the future. Tuesday we plan to make our mark. Aiming at 7-8 minutes.

Personally, I'd be more impressed and start calling people 'awesome' if they were using 2H, DW, bow, and not having everyone in the group use the currently most out of balanced setups. Unfortunately, right now it's very difficult to measure skill and build creativity because weapons, skills, and classes are so imbalanced. Good job all around, but looking at the class and build layout in the above quote speaks volumes for how much work the devs need to do.