Volendrung NA Campaign. Calling all Daggerfall Covenant and Aldmeri Dominion!!

NeeScrolls · June 2014

Anazasi wrote: »

Lets set the record straight. First off, MT has never exploited the Vampire Ultimate bug that existed prior to the patch. and that his "crew" were all vamps was a total exaggeration propagated by bad players who couldn't understand that standing in a DK's banner was a bad idea..

Second, The only reason that AD is do widely despised on Volendrung is because we empathically refuse to play the emperor swapping game. What upsets me and what should upset the community of players are all those players that farmed a title just to be able to get passives.

Personally, while i def. consider AD to be "the enemy" , i certainly do not 'despise' you guys. On the contrary, i have great respect for your refusal to succomb to the 'emp swap game' tempatation.

Unfortunately, our side's fate is pretty much sealed at this late juncture in the Campaign. So, i do my best to help PACT when i can and make the best of what/who we have.

As far as MT goes: i seem to recall escaping his grasp a great many times over these few weeks , once i figured out he wasn't *exploiting* (perception) and how to 'counter' him. (which is much of the fun of PVP btw)

It's an interesting contrast though, seeing the way our EP side has dealt with Emperor and then seeing MT with over 6 million AP's , both at the same time denying any other AD players the chance at becoming 'Emperor' yet also granting them greater chance at 'winning' the entire Campaign overall (as well as individual dominance) through his constant leadership as Emp.

I always wondered what the rest of AD's Top 10 thought about that.

Ezareth · June 2014

@NeeScrolls‌

You deserve your title, not saying you don't but I hope you realize how lucky you are as most campaigns require a guild and massive coordination from a team to achieve emperor and from all I've seen the majority of the work done that made you emperor came from GC and that red off campaign zerg who exploited caltrops with GC. I honestly didn't even know you were a sorc until you just mentioned it, I thought you were a night blade. / =

We play this game as a team, not as individuals. Murder Thumbs isn't being selfish by staying on this campaign and retaining his much deserved title, he is simply currently the best person to help our team as emperor. Taran or I couldn't couldn't be nearly as effective with emperor bonuses as he can. Look at our past 10 emperors that weren't Murder Thumbs. We've been soloing some of them as emp they are so bad. Murder and I held a blue keep against 40 people for over an hour the night he lost emperor. The only reason we lost the keep was because his banner was bugged and he never had a chance to log out to fix it.

So yes, we all want to be emperor but we also want to actually EARN it. Having Murder Thumbs drop off campaign so we can get what is effectively a PVE Title at this point isn't how we want to get it.

NeeScrolls · June 2014

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

@NeeScrolls‌

You deserve your title, not saying you don't but I hope you realize how lucky you are as most campaigns require a guild and massive coordination from a team to achieve emperor and from all I've seen the majority of the work done that made you emperor came from GC and that red off campaign zerg who exploited caltrops with GC. I honestly didn't even know you were a sorc until you just mentioned it, I thought you were a night blade. / =

We play this game as a team, not as individuals. Murder Thumbs isn't being selfish by staying on this campaign and retaining his much deserved title, he is simply currently the best person to help our team as emperor.

I'd say i was fortunate , but not "lucky" (well, imo i made my own luck ) . Either way, yes, rest assured i am extremely grateful and proud of my achieving *Emperor* status. (even if the title itself has lost a bit of it's luster thanks to certain exploits & manipulations of the system)

But anyways yeah I hear ya . What you said about playing as a team makes perfect sense and it's good to hear a different perspective (even if you are 'the enemy' ) ...and tbh much respect to y'all for sticking to your guns---err i mean---blades.

Secondly, wait are u saying that you never noticed me creeping up the 'Server Sorceror Leaderboard' all the way to currently # 5 and only a mere oh i dunno 3 million points behind You?!?!?! lol /flex

Anyways, see you & MT soon i'm sure. /polish-staff (lol wut? that sounded weird) -- Nee

p.s. Just curious what you guys think of today's *news* regarding possible PVP "changes" next month...?

Kaytlin · June 2014

Anazasi wrote: "
Second, The only reason that AD is do widely despised on Volendrung is because we empathically refuse to play the emperor swapping game."

Please explain then how AD seems to have 10+ "former emperors" in the campaign at any give time when a large EP group is present?

Hate to burst your bubble but AD is not widely despised only on Volendrung!

It must take a lot of skill for several "former emperors" and current emperors to take out a group of 8 -10 low level players, but then I guess maybe it does.

Caytlynne of Skye

Anazasi · June 2014

I can only speak for the one guild that I have been in since the beginning of the campaign. The one guild that currently holds the top 7 or 8 AD leaderboard positions. We are all members of the campaign which is our home while the others you are speaking of are part of Alacrity which is guesting as I am told. So For the RECORD and the sake of the bubble not bursting, try looking at the AD leader board before you stick your foot in your mouth. Second if you cant see it then your are probably another squatter who should probably just go home.

Braidas · June 2014

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

@NeeScrolls‌

You deserve your title, not saying you don't but I hope you realize how lucky you are as most campaigns require a guild and massive coordination from a team to achieve emperor and from all I've seen the majority of the work done that made you emperor came from GC and that red off campaign zerg who exploited caltrops with GC. I honestly didn't even know you were a sorc until you just mentioned it, I thought you were a night blade. / =

We play this game as a team, not as individuals. Murder Thumbs isn't being selfish by staying on this campaign and retaining his much deserved title, he is simply currently the best person to help our team as emperor. Taran or I couldn't couldn't be nearly as effective with emperor bonuses as he can. Look at our past 10 emperors that weren't Murder Thumbs. We've been soloing some of them as emp they are so bad. Murder and I held a blue keep against 40 people for over an hour the night he lost emperor. The only reason we lost the keep was because his banner was bugged and he never had a chance to log out to fix it.

So yes, we all want to be emperor but we also want to actually EARN it. Having Murder Thumbs drop off campaign so we can get what is effectively a PVE Title at this point isn't how we want to get it.

It was more like 20 people (mostly sub VR5, if not VR1) and you forgot to mention the dozens of mages lol. Plus that "bug" was the only reason you held on that long (banner was attached to him and he could move around w/ it, making it a ridiculously overpowered aoe).

Ezareth · June 2014

Kaytlin wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: "
Second, The only reason that AD is do widely despised on Volendrung is because we empathically refuse to play the emperor swapping game."

Please explain then how AD seems to have 10+ "former emperors" in the campaign at any give time when a large EP group is present?

Hate to burst your bubble but AD is not widely despised only on Volendrung!

It must take a lot of skill for several "former emperors" and current emperors to take out a group of 8 -10 low level players, but then I guess maybe it does.

Caytlynne of Skye

The local AD won this campaign a long time ago. The only way the local players dethroned Murder Thumbs was by "Night-capping" while the AD slept. As I mentioned earlier we've always been outnumbered 3-1 during normal playtimes.

Then on the weekends DC and EP began calling in off campaign zergs of 100+ players and the EP GC guild who are all former emperors themselves. A group of 10-15 AD with one legitimate emperor can't fight that many numbers without outside help so we called in a guild of our friends who love to fight (and kill) zergs.

Anazasi is right in saying we're widely despised on Volendrung as we're the ONLY alliance to ever have both sides of the alliance seiging our keeps side by side to dethrone our emperor. It has happened 4 different times so far that I can recall because a single side has never been able to do it while Murder Thumbs was online.

Ezareth · June 2014

Brandeospeedwagon wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

@NeeScrolls‌

You deserve your title, not saying you don't but I hope you realize how lucky you are as most campaigns require a guild and massive coordination from a team to achieve emperor and from all I've seen the majority of the work done that made you emperor came from GC and that red off campaign zerg who exploited caltrops with GC. I honestly didn't even know you were a sorc until you just mentioned it, I thought you were a night blade. / =

We play this game as a team, not as individuals. Murder Thumbs isn't being selfish by staying on this campaign and retaining his much deserved title, he is simply currently the best person to help our team as emperor. Taran or I couldn't couldn't be nearly as effective with emperor bonuses as he can. Look at our past 10 emperors that weren't Murder Thumbs. We've been soloing some of them as emp they are so bad. Murder and I held a blue keep against 40 people for over an hour the night he lost emperor. The only reason we lost the keep was because his banner was bugged and he never had a chance to log out to fix it.

So yes, we all want to be emperor but we also want to actually EARN it. Having Murder Thumbs drop off campaign so we can get what is effectively a PVE Title at this point isn't how we want to get it.

It was more like 20 people (mostly sub VR5, if not VR1) and you forgot to mention the dozens of mages lol. Plus that "bug" was the only reason you held on that long (banner was attached to him and he could move around w/ it, making it a ridiculously overpowered aoe).

There were more far more than 20 people there, I got 100K AP from that hour of fighting alone. There were also at least 4 or 5 V12s there as well as I can remember 2 of them by name. The bugged banner moving with him is a bad thing as he can't throw down multiple banners and he can't use battle roar and he is AOE capped to 6 people with the single banner. You realize as emperor and the number of kills we were getting he could have littered that entire courtyard with banners multiple times over and wiped that entire group in seconds. You should have heard him bitching on TS about that bug, it happened later as well when we lost another keep.

As far as mages I counted 7 or 8 up at a time at max on the entrance and he wasn't placing them in combat. Without the banner bug we wouldn't have needed them.

SwampRaider · June 2014

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Brandeospeedwagon wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

@NeeScrolls‌

You deserve your title, not saying you don't but I hope you realize how lucky you are as most campaigns require a guild and massive coordination from a team to achieve emperor and from all I've seen the majority of the work done that made you emperor came from GC and that red off campaign zerg who exploited caltrops with GC. I honestly didn't even know you were a sorc until you just mentioned it, I thought you were a night blade. / =

We play this game as a team, not as individuals. Murder Thumbs isn't being selfish by staying on this campaign and retaining his much deserved title, he is simply currently the best person to help our team as emperor. Taran or I couldn't couldn't be nearly as effective with emperor bonuses as he can. Look at our past 10 emperors that weren't Murder Thumbs. We've been soloing some of them as emp they are so bad. Murder and I held a blue keep against 40 people for over an hour the night he lost emperor. The only reason we lost the keep was because his banner was bugged and he never had a chance to log out to fix it.

So yes, we all want to be emperor but we also want to actually EARN it. Having Murder Thumbs drop off campaign so we can get what is effectively a PVE Title at this point isn't how we want to get it.

It was more like 20 people (mostly sub VR5, if not VR1) and you forgot to mention the dozens of mages lol. Plus that "bug" was the only reason you held on that long (banner was attached to him and he could move around w/ it, making it a ridiculously overpowered aoe).

There were more far more than 20 people there, I got 100K AP from that hour of fighting alone. There were also at least 4 or 5 V12s there as well as I can remember 2 of them by name. The bugged banner moving with him is a bad thing as he can't throw down multiple banners and he can't use battle roar and he is AOE capped to 6 people with the single banner. You realize as emperor and the number of kills we were getting he could have littered that entire courtyard with banners multiple times over and wiped that entire group in seconds. You should have heard him bitching on TS about that bug, it happened later as well when we lost another keep.

As far as mages I counted 7 or 8 up at a time at max on the entrance and he wasn't placing them in combat. Without the banner bug we wouldn't have needed them.

regardless, the 30 people there had a job to do, keep murder thumbs at warden and fling their bodies against him for as long as they could so DC could take as many keeps as possible without him there. We managed to keep murder thumbs at Warden for Rayles-Glademist-Aleswell-Bleakers. Why no one thought to negate his banner, well..let's not talk about that.

Braidas · June 2014

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Brandeospeedwagon wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

@NeeScrolls‌

You deserve your title, not saying you don't but I hope you realize how lucky you are as most campaigns require a guild and massive coordination from a team to achieve emperor and from all I've seen the majority of the work done that made you emperor came from GC and that red off campaign zerg who exploited caltrops with GC. I honestly didn't even know you were a sorc until you just mentioned it, I thought you were a night blade. / =

We play this game as a team, not as individuals. Murder Thumbs isn't being selfish by staying on this campaign and retaining his much deserved title, he is simply currently the best person to help our team as emperor. Taran or I couldn't couldn't be nearly as effective with emperor bonuses as he can. Look at our past 10 emperors that weren't Murder Thumbs. We've been soloing some of them as emp they are so bad. Murder and I held a blue keep against 40 people for over an hour the night he lost emperor. The only reason we lost the keep was because his banner was bugged and he never had a chance to log out to fix it.

So yes, we all want to be emperor but we also want to actually EARN it. Having Murder Thumbs drop off campaign so we can get what is effectively a PVE Title at this point isn't how we want to get it.

It was more like 20 people (mostly sub VR5, if not VR1) and you forgot to mention the dozens of mages lol. Plus that "bug" was the only reason you held on that long (banner was attached to him and he could move around w/ it, making it a ridiculously overpowered aoe).

There were more far more than 20 people there, I got 100K AP from that hour of fighting alone. There were also at least 4 or 5 V12s there as well as I can remember 2 of them by name. The bugged banner moving with him is a bad thing as he can't throw down multiple banners and he can't use battle roar and he is AOE capped to 6 people with the single banner. You realize as emperor and the number of kills we were getting he could have littered that entire courtyard with banners multiple times over and wiped that entire group in seconds. You should have heard him bitching on TS about that bug, it happened later as well when we lost another keep.

As far as mages I counted 7 or 8 up at a time at max on the entrance and he wasn't placing them in combat. Without the banner bug we wouldn't have needed them.

No there were only about 20, we kept rezzing if that's what you mean. Yes, there were a couple V12's, that's why I said *mostly* sub VR5 if not VR1. Having banners all over is preferable to being attached to him, and mobile; we could have just left the courtyard and came back in, can't run away from that *bug*. As for the mages, do you mean at any one time? Like 7 or 8 and then another 7 or 8 after those die, repeated indefinitely? Cause there were dozens used, and you were putting them down as well. About all you were useful for in that fight.

Venithar · June 2014

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

There were more far more than 20 people there, I got 100K AP from that hour of fighting alone. There were also at least 4 or 5 V12s there as well as I can remember 2 of them by name. The bugged banner moving with him is a bad thing as he can't throw down multiple banners and he can't use battle roar and he is AOE capped to 6 people with the single banner. You realize as emperor and the number of kills we were getting he could have littered that entire courtyard with banners multiple times over and wiped that entire group in seconds. You should have heard him bitching on TS about that bug, it happened later as well when we lost another keep.

As far as mages I counted 7 or 8 up at a time at max on the entrance and he wasn't placing them in combat. Without the banner bug we wouldn't have needed them.

The guild that guested in has 9 total vr12 in it. Of those 9 only 2-3 pvp with the guild. We also only guested in about 20 people (I'll link a video below and you can count them yourself

).

As for the mobile banner, I'd like to point out that I can't "roll out" of it since it follows me, and I need to ask something about the 6 person AoE cap, since I rarely use AoEs. Is the cap only for live targets? Meaning if a person dies, does a spot open for another target? If not, I could see the detriment in having it (although you can still chase down the initial 6 targets).

As for the video, start counting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS0-UNH1Y2Y&feature=youtu.be

Braidas · June 2014

Venithar wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

There were more far more than 20 people there, I got 100K AP from that hour of fighting alone. There were also at least 4 or 5 V12s there as well as I can remember 2 of them by name. The bugged banner moving with him is a bad thing as he can't throw down multiple banners and he can't use battle roar and he is AOE capped to 6 people with the single banner. You realize as emperor and the number of kills we were getting he could have littered that entire courtyard with banners multiple times over and wiped that entire group in seconds. You should have heard him bitching on TS about that bug, it happened later as well when we lost another keep.

As far as mages I counted 7 or 8 up at a time at max on the entrance and he wasn't placing them in combat. Without the banner bug we wouldn't have needed them.

The guild that guested in has 9 total vr12 in it. Of those 9 only 2-3 pvp with the guild. We also only guested in about 20 people (I'll link a video below and you can count them yourself ).

As for the mobile banner, I'd like to point out that I can't "roll out" of it since it follows me, and I need to ask something about the 6 person AoE cap, since I rarely use AoEs. Is the cap only for live targets? Meaning if a person dies, does a spot open for another target? If not, I could see the detriment in having it (although you can still chase down the initial 6 targets).

As for the video, start counting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS0-UNH1Y2Y&feature=youtu.be

ahaha let's say him try to lie his way out of this :P

Supersun · June 2014

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Then on the weekends DC and EP began calling in off campaign zergs of 100+ players and the EP GC guild who are all former emperors themselves. A group of 10-15 AD with one legitimate emperor can't fight that many numbers without outside help so we called in a guild of our friends who love to fight (and kill) zergs.

Umm...

The big "zerg" guild actually has Vol set as their home server.

They came here because they are a guild of mostly sub VR (non emperor) casual players that wanted to escape constantly fighting a group of 10-20 VR10 ex-emperor vamps that were following them around everywhere.

They aren't here to farm emperor (though they helped with the push to make Nee emperor). They are just here to PvP for fun. They've actually been a good match for AD and DC when everyone is on as well from what I've seen. Yes, there's a lot of them, but I've seen them get repelled by coordinated pushes as well.

Calling Alacrity is kind of a *** move since they came here in the first place to escape that type of thing especially since from what I've seen you don't even need them. AD is perfectly capable of defending against them. I've seen both AD and DC repel their attacks.

Sure, you may lose stuff while they are on due to their sheer numbers (which you just take back anyway after they are done), but there's guaranteed to be epic battles at whatever keep you are defending, and calling in every AD player from every other server to assist you just ruins those epic battles.

I'm not sure about you, but I enjoyed the epic Elder Scroll football matches that we've had. Sometimes we win, sometimes you win. Either way it's a blast.

Not sure about you, but I PvP for the epic battles, not to look at a map of one solid color. If I wanted that I'd just rather transfer servers. The actual campaign results are irrelevant in my mind. That's decided more by who has the best night presence rather than some factor of skill.

Ezareth · June 2014

SwampRaider wrote: »

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regardless, the 30 people there had a job to do, keep murder thumbs at warden and fling their bodies against him for as long as they could so DC could take as many keeps as possible without him there. We managed to keep murder thumbs at Warden for Rayles-Glademist-Aleswell-Bleakers. Why no one thought to negate his banner, well..let's not talk about that.

We considered the reverse to be worth it. Holding that many of you there at the cost of two of us was well worth it. Forget the Negate...you guys should be asking why didn't anyone tag the keep so we couldn't ress there? We both died at one point and it was done...until we realized the keep wasn't tagged any more.

Oddly the keep was under assault for a good 20 minutes before we even arrived. We were not going to come at all until a good 15 minutes went by and we decided to check it out. I'm not sure why with that many people you couldn't take a keep in such a long time but the problem is definitely not murders moving banner.

Brandeospeedwagon wrote: »

No there were only about 20, we kept rezzing if that's what you mean. Yes, there were a couple V12's, that's why I said *mostly* sub VR5 if not VR1. Having banners all over is preferable to being attached to him, and mobile; we could have just left the courtyard and came back in, can't run away from that *bug*. As for the mages, do you mean at any one time? Like 7 or 8 and then another 7 or 8 after those die, repeated indefinitely? Cause there were dozens used, and you were putting them down as well. About all you were useful for in that fight.

I put down 4 mages total in that fight. both up the stairs. Murder used about 20. Not a big deal for either of us. We kill twice as many mages with a quarter the people you had all the time. I'm not about to start handing you guys strategy however.

Murder and I both got an absurd number of kills. He was doing the heavy lifting, but that's his job and he wouldn't have lasted nearly as long without me but hey whatever helps you sleep at night.

Venithar wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

There were more far more than 20 people there, I got 100K AP from that hour of fighting alone. There were also at least 4 or 5 V12s there as well as I can remember 2 of them by name. The bugged banner moving with him is a bad thing as he can't throw down multiple banners and he can't use battle roar and he is AOE capped to 6 people with the single banner. You realize as emperor and the number of kills we were getting he could have littered that entire courtyard with banners multiple times over and wiped that entire group in seconds. You should have heard him bitching on TS about that bug, it happened later as well when we lost another keep.

As far as mages I counted 7 or 8 up at a time at max on the entrance and he wasn't placing them in combat. Without the banner bug we wouldn't have needed them.

The guild that guested in has 9 total vr12 in it. Of those 9 only 2-3 pvp with the guild. We also only guested in about 20 people (I'll link a video below and you can count them yourself ).

As for the mobile banner, I'd like to point out that I can't "roll out" of it since it follows me, and I need to ask something about the 6 person AoE cap, since I rarely use AoEs. Is the cap only for live targets? Meaning if a person dies, does a spot open for another target? If not, I could see the detriment in having it (although you can still chase down the initial 6 targets).

As for the video, start counting

I'm counting quite a few people in that video attacking murder with no indicator over their heads. There was another group of people there other than your campaign group or just a bunch of random pugs. Next time you guys get wiped by two people stay dead so we can get an accurate body count

As for the AOE cap I have no idea how the mechanics work other than it is limited to 6 people and it is the reason Murder can't solo 50 people and a keep all by himself any more. I know for the majority of the day I was PVPing with him he had 3 or 4 banners up at a time quite a bit when his banner wasn't bugged on him.

Supersun wrote: »

Umm...

The big "zerg" guild actually has Vol set as their home server.

They came here because they are a guild of mostly sub VR (non emperor) casual players that wanted to escape constantly fighting a group of 10-20 VR10 ex-emperor vamps that were following them around everywhere.

They aren't here to farm emperor (though they helped with the push to make Nee emperor). They are just here to PvP for fun. They've actually been a good match for AD and DC when everyone is on as well from what I've seen. Yes, there's a lot of them, but I've seen them get repelled by coordinated pushes as well.

Calling Alacrity is kind of a *** move since they came here in the first place to escape that type of thing especially since from what I've seen you don't even need them. AD is perfectly capable of defending against them. I've seen both AD and DC repel their attacks.

Sure, you may lose stuff while they are on due to their sheer numbers (which you just take back anyway after they are done), but there's guaranteed to be epic battles at whatever keep you are defending, and calling in every AD player from every other server to assist you just ruins those epic battles.

I'm not sure about you, but I enjoyed the epic Elder Scroll football matches that we've had. Sometimes we win, sometimes you win. Either way it's a blast.

Not sure about you, but I PvP for the epic battles, not to look at a map of one solid color. If I wanted that I'd just rather transfer servers. The actual campaign results are irrelevant in my mind. That's decided more by who has the best night presence rather than some factor of skill.

There was a group of 100 EP who came in several times, and that AD group of Vamp Emps followed them here once if I recall. If that group is now set to Volendrung why haven't you guys taken a single keep? The only time your players sign on is when AD comes in. Calling a single group of 12 players in to help you fight 120+ players isn't a **** move, it's common sense. Alacricity only stays around for as long as the zergs stay around, as soon as everyone else leaves so do they.

You do realize we're lucky to get a group of 10 people together on AD all in our guild? Sure there may be another 10 pugs floating around but they are unorganized and often hurt as much as help (like aggro mages or burn bugged camps) How is that even remotely fair when both of your sides can field close to 100 people during prime time? With the AOE caps in place There is only so much 10 people can do against those numbers.

NeeScrolls · June 2014

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Murder and I both got an absurd number of kills. He was doing the heavy lifting, but that's his job and he wouldn't have lasted nearly as long without me but hey whatever helps you sleep at night.

As for the video, start counting

I'm counting quite a few people in that video attacking murder with no indicator over their heads. Next time you guys wipe, stay corpsed so we can get a proper head count.

eh-hem, i always leave my wonderful corpse (sometimes even *White-Werewolf'd* ) for you fine AD to 'necro' while i observe & report your tactics & positions.

p.s. Don't look now Ezareth but i'm movin on up that 'Sorceror Top 10 on Server Leaderboard' . 19 days left to catch you (lol ) .

p.p.s. You never answered my previous post about what You & MT think about these recent "announced changes" to PVP ...???

Supersun · June 2014

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

There was a group of 100 EP who came in several times, and that AD group of Vamp Emps followed them here once if I recall. If that group is now set to Volendrung why haven't you guys taken a single keep? The only time your players sign on is when AD comes in. Calling a single group of 12 players in to help you fight 120+ players isn't a **** move, it's common sense. Alacricity only stays around for as long as the zergs stay around, as soon as everyone else leaves so do they.

You do realize we're lucky to get a group of 10 people together on AD all in our guild? Sure there may be another 10 pugs floating around but they are unorganized and often hurt as much as help (like aggro mages or burn bugged camps) How is that even remotely fair when both of your sides can field close to 100 people during prime time? With the AOE caps in place There is only so much 10 people can do against those numbers.

Your exaggeration isn't helping.

I have never seen ANY side field 100 players on Volendrung.

I mean do you realize how many players 100 is?
That's is 4 FULL RAID GROUPS!

The only time EP has ever even remotely gotten close to 100 people was when Nee called in every favor he had to get emperor.

The "zerg" guild brings 25-50.

20v50 is hard, but possible especially since EP generally doesn't run all 50 together. (In Guildwars 2, my guild was able to defend a keep15v50)

Calling in Alacrity to make it 40 Super PvP VR12s vs 50 more casual sub VR is well...a *** move.

jaybo1727 · June 2014

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

I put down 4 mages total in that fight. both up the stairs. Murder used about 20. Not a big deal for either of us. We kill twice as many mages with a quarter the people you had all the time. I'm not about to start handing you guys strategy however.
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Murder can't solo 50 people and a keep all by himself any more. I know for the majority of the day I was PVPing with him he had 3 or 4 banners up at a time quite a bit when his banner wasn't bugged on him.

I'd like to disagree with the number of mages yall used. The video didn't show outside the keep wall where waves and waves of mages continuously flooded out. You say we were taking a while but that's partly due to us fighting and making sure we killed every mage yall used, which took quite a while. And I also don't agree with not using them in combat... There were quite a few of us in the hole in the outer wall and Murder was right beside us placing mages up until he had to stop and begin healing. This isn't about saying who's better or can kill more mages or has better strategy, it's simply about the fact that what you're saying isn't exactly what happened.

Also, saying that he can't solo 50 people by himself ANYMORE doesn't really help yall's case. People are bringing up the fact that he seemingly has an unlimited supply of mages and has an exploitable banner. And to talk about him having up 4 banners at a time... do you not realize this is why everyone screams for DKs to be nerfed? I'm a DK myself and find it absurd for people to be able to spam banner. And before anyone says "You're just mad because you can't do it," that's not the case at all. I completely agree with people from other classes, as well as DKs, who think that the banner spam is unfair and shouldn't be allowed to continue as such.

As for the banner being bugged actually being a disadvantage for him, I can understand somewhat. I have only ever had that happen to me twice, and spaced decently far apart in time. It makes some of your screen hard to see and can be distracting, but at the same time it doesn't seem too horrible when he can chase you around with it so that you can't roll and simply escape it. In the video you can clearly see it happening almost every cast with him. Only once during that battle did the banner stick to one spot, and the weird thing was that it happened right after someone whispered him saying that they'd be reporting him for exploit. It clearly didn't stop after that, though, so that could be pure coincidence that it happened to stay put that time.

Xundiin · June 2014

As someone from that so called "zerg" guild (really hate that word since it implies a mindless mass of fodder) we haven't fronted 100 people in AvA since like week 2 or 3 of the game going live when we where on Hopesfire. Alacrity shows up all decked out in purps and VR 10. Wasn't a huge issue at first, but we where only facing 5 of them at the time and it was rumored that they where trading Emp back and forth with DC just to get the title and passives. Then it was also rumored that it was the same guild passing it back and forth between the two factions. I don't know the truth nor do I expect anyone to admit to what really happened. All I know is that we got tired of being farmed by 12-15 VR 12's in purp/legendary gear and all with the Emp passives. Especially since most of the people that come out are like level 30's (average).

When we got to Vol, Alacrity followed us. Where the two GM's (Alacrity and ours) talked and was told we where trying to get people interested into AvA since we where lucky if we could front 3 full raids on a given event night. Most nights we go out it's about 2 full raid groups and a partial. The entire 3 raid groups is a mix of our guild and the rest of EP on the server.... so yeah.... 100 man zerg..... hasn't been like that since week 2/3. in the current form VR 12's in that kinda gear (as alacrity) do to much damage against a *** poor bolster system and level 30 gear. if we where fronting 50 VR 12's Then it might be Alacrity here being upset and complaining about "Zergs". But that is not the case.

Also, we had some good fights with DC and they where even matches. Though I don't remember AD being to much of a threat when we first switch campaigns. Other than the 2 nights we've had to deal with Alacrity yet again.

So in short, we are not fronting 100 people. Nor are we fronting enough high level vets to make a difference for a need to call a decked out ace in the hole group. So really, it as a *** move. And now that I see MT on their roster, I suspect they didn't want him to lose the Campaign buffs for one of their "cheese" trial runs.

Braidas · June 2014

Ahaha this ezareth guy just lies out his ***, might as well stop arguing with him guys, no point. We could have 100 people here saying he's wrong and he'd still just lie. So i'll just say... you're right: MT's a god and can solo legions of players without mages and/or exploits. His tactics are impeccable. On a serious note though, you really were useless during that fight. But hey, whatever helps you sleep at night.

Ezareth · June 2014

NeeScrolls wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Murder and I both got an absurd number of kills. He was doing the heavy lifting, but that's his job and he wouldn't have lasted nearly as long without me but hey whatever helps you sleep at night.

As for the video, start counting

I'm counting quite a few people in that video attacking murder with no indicator over their heads. Next time you guys wipe, stay corpsed so we can get a proper head count.

eh-hem, i always leave my wonderful corpse (sometimes even *White-Werewolf'd* ) for you fine AD to 'necro' while i observe & report your tactics & positions.

p.s. Don't look now Ezareth but i'm movin on up that 'Sorceror Top 10 on Server Leaderboard' . 19 days left to catch you (lol ) .

p.p.s. You never answered my previous post about what You & MT think about these recent "announced changes" to PVP ...???

@NeeScrolls‌

We haven't had a chance to discuss the changes. Personally I don't like them but I doubt this game will last much longer the way things are going to be honest, PVP is quickly becoming quite boring to me. When every fight becomes who has more people wins and they cram more and more people into a smaller space it turns into something like Wabbajack which is a great place to farm AP, but is a boring zergfest where individual skill means much less. My team prefers small group combat. We don't mind fighting zergs from time to time but if that is all the game becomes we're going to continue losing interest.

Ezareth · June 2014

Supersun wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

There was a group of 100 EP who came in several times, and that AD group of Vamp Emps followed them here once if I recall. If that group is now set to Volendrung why haven't you guys taken a single keep? The only time your players sign on is when AD comes in. Calling a single group of 12 players in to help you fight 120+ players isn't a **** move, it's common sense. Alacricity only stays around for as long as the zergs stay around, as soon as everyone else leaves so do they.

You do realize we're lucky to get a group of 10 people together on AD all in our guild? Sure there may be another 10 pugs floating around but they are unorganized and often hurt as much as help (like aggro mages or burn bugged camps) How is that even remotely fair when both of your sides can field close to 100 people during prime time? With the AOE caps in place There is only so much 10 people can do against those numbers.

Your exaggeration isn't helping.

I have never seen ANY side field 100 players on Volendrung.

I mean do you realize how many players 100 is?
That's is 4 FULL RAID GROUPS!

The only time EP has ever even remotely gotten close to 100 people was when Nee called in every favor he had to get emperor.

The "zerg" guild brings 25-50.

20v50 is hard, but possible especially since EP generally doesn't run all 50 together. (In Guildwars 2, my guild was able to defend a keep15v50)

Calling in Alacrity to make it 40 Super PvP VR12s vs 50 more casual sub VR is well...a *** move.

I'm not exaggerating at all. How long have you even been on Volendrung and who are you? I know for a fact there was a good 50 Red zerg who took our scrolls at one time while the other zerg took down our keeps. Take a look at our AP and ask yourself how many people do you think we really fight? Murder thumbs has half the AP of the #1 AP player in the largest Campaign in the game (Fixate on Wabbajack) and that is a nonstop back and forth zerg fest. You don't get that much AP fighting smaller groups as diminishing returns kicks in quickly and you start making 15 AP a kill before long.

The offcampaign zergs used to be even larger back in Murder Thumbs first few dethronings. If you were at the last double teaming zerg-fest that dethroned murder the numbers there were nothing compared to some of his earlier dethronings. When you have that many people defense doesn't even matter, all they have to do is charge on the flags and cap the flags before we can kill them all, it takes a few seconds. Real PVP right there.

Some Volendrung DC were bragging to Murder the day before about pulling in 90 offcampaign players to help dethrone him. His words not mine. We were facing 110 DC and 30-40 EP that day. We had about 40 people in total...and we won.

Ezareth · June 2014

jaybo1727 wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

I put down 4 mages total in that fight. both up the stairs. Murder used about 20. Not a big deal for either of us. We kill twice as many mages with a quarter the people you had all the time. I'm not about to start handing you guys strategy however.
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Murder can't solo 50 people and a keep all by himself any more. I know for the majority of the day I was PVPing with him he had 3 or 4 banners up at a time quite a bit when his banner wasn't bugged on him.

I'd like to disagree with the number of mages yall used. The video didn't show outside the keep wall where waves and waves of mages continuously flooded out. You say we were taking a while but that's partly due to us fighting and making sure we killed every mage yall used, which took quite a while. And I also don't agree with not using them in combat... There were quite a few of us in the hole in the outer wall and Murder was right beside us placing mages up until he had to stop and begin healing. This isn't about saying who's better or can kill more mages or has better strategy, it's simply about the fact that what you're saying isn't exactly what happened.

Also, saying that he can't solo 50 people by himself ANYMORE doesn't really help yall's case. People are bringing up the fact that he seemingly has an unlimited supply of mages and has an exploitable banner. And to talk about him having up 4 banners at a time... do you not realize this is why everyone screams for DKs to be nerfed? I'm a DK myself and find it absurd for people to be able to spam banner. And before anyone says "You're just mad because you can't do it," that's not the case at all. I completely agree with people from other classes, as well as DKs, who think that the banner spam is unfair and shouldn't be allowed to continue as such.

As for the banner being bugged actually being a disadvantage for him, I can understand somewhat. I have only ever had that happen to me twice, and spaced decently far apart in time. It makes some of your screen hard to see and can be distracting, but at the same time it doesn't seem too horrible when he can chase you around with it so that you can't roll and simply escape it. In the video you can clearly see it happening almost every cast with him. Only once during that battle did the banner stick to one spot, and the weird thing was that it happened right after someone whispered him saying that they'd be reporting him for exploit. It clearly didn't stop after that, though, so that could be pure coincidence that it happened to stay put that time.

Well maybe he placed more overall than I saw but there was never more than 8 or so placed down stairs at a time. I only placed my four upstairs and those never got pulled to my knowledge.

As far as outside, in that zerg fest all I could do was focus on executing people, dodging and ducking back in and healing. If he was placing them out there I'll take you're word for it or his if he says otherwise. I can't discuss his mage supply but they are legitimate and he doesn't intentionally bug them or exploit them. If I found anyone in my guild using exploits I would kick them or leave the guild myself. We're all pretty mature gamers and feel strongly about proper gaming ethics.

I'm not saying he should be able to Solo 50 people at all, he didn't think it was fair either but to be honest, it was the only reason with a fraction of the numbers of people we could even compete. He can still spam banners, they're just not as effective. You do realize that ult generation is double as emperor and that you get 25 ultimate at Assault Rank 10 for each player kill right? He only has to kill 2-3 people to get another banner. This is where your zerg works against you. The reason you guys can't do this is because we don't zerg you guys down. When you bring in a group of low level players to kill V12 players you feed them ultimate. That's you're strategy not mine.

3 people have been able to kill Murder while he is emperor before. It isn't all THAT difficult but those people need to understand how to work together and how to counter a DK. More and more people are learning this but once again the sheer number of people you guys throw at us ensures that at least a few will continue to feed him and make him more powerful.

The past few DK emperors DC/EP have fielded haven't been half as effective as Murder because they're fighting people who know exactly how to fight DKs because we're lead by one.

Ezareth · June 2014

Xundiin wrote: »

As someone from that so called "zerg" guild (really hate that word since it implies a mindless mass of fodder) we haven't fronted 100 people in AvA since like week 2 or 3 of the game going live when we where on Hopesfire. Alacrity shows up all decked out in purps and VR 10. Wasn't a huge issue at first, but we where only facing 5 of them at the time and it was rumored that they where trading Emp back and forth with DC just to get the title and passives. Then it was also rumored that it was the same guild passing it back and forth between the two factions. I don't know the truth nor do I expect anyone to admit to what really happened. All I know is that we got tired of being farmed by 12-15 VR 12's in purp/legendary gear and all with the Emp passives. Especially since most of the people that come out are like level 30's (average).

When we got to Vol, Alacrity followed us. Where the two GM's (Alacrity and ours) talked and was told we where trying to get people interested into AvA since we where lucky if we could front 3 full raids on a given event night. Most nights we go out it's about 2 full raid groups and a partial. The entire 3 raid groups is a mix of our guild and the rest of EP on the server.... so yeah.... 100 man zerg..... hasn't been like that since week 2/3. in the current form VR 12's in that kinda gear (as alacrity) do to much damage against a *** poor bolster system and level 30 gear. if we where fronting 50 VR 12's Then it might be Alacrity here being upset and complaining about "Zergs". But that is not the case.

Also, we had some good fights with DC and they where even matches. Though I don't remember AD being to much of a threat when we first switch campaigns. Other than the 2 nights we've had to deal with Alacrity yet again.

So in short, we are not fronting 100 people. Nor are we fronting enough high level vets to make a difference for a need to call a decked out ace in the hole group. So really, it as a *** move. And now that I see MT on their roster, I suspect they didn't want him to lose the Campaign buffs for one of their "cheese" trial runs.

I wasn't aware that Alacrity was the Vamp Emp guild you were discussing. As far as I know only one of them is a vampire but I've only talked to them once and I heard them laughing about how terrible vampires are (which I agree with unless you're NB).

So take your 90 people and add the regulars who still exist on Volendrung and you have over 100. "Zergs" to me are both fodder and too difficult to organize into true organization. Take the two "Zergs" who assaulted BRK to dethrone murder last. They had no real coordination or strategy, just sort of mindlessly following each other (often to their deaths). That's the type of garbage I like to avoid in PVP. When I play in Wabba I play between the keeps picking off small groups of players and avoid the Zergs. It's just not fun. You can't kill anyone or do anything as an individual when there are 40 people who can heal your target or chase you down. Boring Zergfest.

Ezareth · June 2014

And if you guys do have that many people, why is it that you guys continue to attack us and not DC any time we make a play on the map? You realize we gave EP their scrolls and home keeps, not to mention emperor in trying to encourage EP to come back and be competitive. DC is the group who took every single keep on the map, all scrolls, and ensured most of the remaining original EP quit the game. It wasn't until GC came and started talking trash to every member of our guild in the top brackets that we decided to start taking everything from EP again.

NeeScrolls · June 2014

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

, why is it that you guys continue to attack us and not DC any time we make a play on the map?

. DC is the group who took every single keep on the map, all scrolls, and ensured most of the remaining original EP quit the game.

It wasn't until GC came and started talking trash to every member of our guild in the top brackets that we decided to start taking everything from EP again.

For the record: i attack anything & anyone (regardless of whatever back-end "deals" were ever made in the name of EP , cuz i sure as heck never adhered to them) .

As far as i'm aware, the only original EP'ers left are me, Morenafan, Fog, Shesha (who hasn't logged online in over a week) , and maybe 1 or 2 others i'm forgetting atm. Just imagine how consistantly awesome our Volendrung could have been by now if people wouldn't have abandoned so quickly.

imo, you never have to justify being AD and trying to take the Map. It's a frickin *WAR* after all lol . - btw: You guys missed a good one tonite...

2 hour epic battle defense at Drakelowe . Like 40 of us EP'ers versus about the exact same number (maybe more) of DC.

We not only 'won' with two guilds who hate eachother fighting together, but i also got to White-Werewolf a bunch of the DC enemies , like 5 separate times over the 2 hour span , without dying . So all you QQ'ers on that recent 'Change the Campaigns' thread need to trust me when i say: Even a "low level" can compete and have FUN against an onslaught of Vets.

It ain't easy...but it sure is a rewarding video-game experience imho.

Supersun · June 2014

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

I'm not exaggerating at all. How long have you even been on Volendrung and who are you?

I'm the "patient little troll with a two-hander"

Admittedly, I didn't start PvPing until the game had already been out for about a month so things that happened early on in Vol I know nothing about, but as long as I have been on the server there hasn't been a 100 man force for any team.

Recently we get maybe 50 at our absolute best.

Xundiin · June 2014

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

I wasn't aware that Alacrity was the Vamp Emp guild you were discussing. As far as I know only one of them is a vampire but I've only talked to them once and I heard them laughing about how terrible vampires are (which I agree with unless you're NB).

So take your 90 people and add the regulars who still exist on Volendrung and you have over 100. "Zergs" to me are both fodder and too difficult to organize into true organization. Take the two "Zergs" who assaulted BRK to dethrone murder last. They had no real coordination or strategy, just sort of mindlessly following each other (often to their deaths). That's the type of garbage I like to avoid in PVP. When I play in Wabba I play between the keeps picking off small groups of players and avoid the Zergs. It's just not fun. You can't kill anyone or do anything as an individual when there are 40 people who can heal your target or chase you down. Boring Zergfest.

I never said they where a Vampire VR guild. So don't add words to what I typed. Also, this is siege warfare, You don't take keeps in this style of PVP unless you have little to no opposition. Which we had a lot when we first came to the server. Also.... we haven't had 90 people for a long time... so again stop twisting what I typed. We had maybe 50 people, add about 20-30 people that where out side the guild to that and maybe even 10 of them joined our groups. Where you are getting confused is when we take the field each group does something different and has different objectives as a whole. We may send in a Deep runner group that heads south just to cut off supplies and travel routes to the north while we have another group that starts taking the keeps. This isn't zerg mentality, it's called large scale tactics. We look at the whole map, then come up with a strategy for each group with goals on how to take the whole map as fast as possible while hindering the oppositions ability to react. Go read ancient battle tactics some time. You'll see we use the same strategies as they did. Divide, overwhelm, conquer.

As far as you not liking "Zergfest" pvp, you are really kinda in the wrong game then. I love small scale PVP, I also love large scale PVP that is organized. Which it is when I run with my guild. I do not run with the mindless horde when my guild does events. There is no strategy there just mindless "kill them with numbers" mentality. The "last" time MT was dethroned our guild had already left. So if what you saw at BRK was not the organized group that was there at the beginning of the night.

The problem with Alacrity is that they are well past a 1% and in the .5% of the total population in gear, level, and emperor line. They are really to strong as a small 15 man fighting group for any "zerg" to deal with atm unless you can front a 200-300 man group against them, or a 40-50 man full VR 5-12 group. A group that is all VR 12's and organized would probably be able to go toe to toe with them on a even playing field. Atm most players that are in PVP are between the levels of 30 and VR1, which does little to help against them. All they are is AP batteries and nothing more.

Xundiin · June 2014

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

And if you guys do have that many people, why is it that you guys continue to attack us and not DC any time we make a play on the map? You realize we gave EP their scrolls and home keeps, not to mention emperor in trying to encourage EP to come back and be competitive. DC is the group who took every single keep on the map, all scrolls, and ensured most of the remaining original EP quit the game. It wasn't until GC came and started talking trash to every member of our guild in the top brackets that we decided to start taking everything from EP again.

We attack both sides equally. after the first couple weeks DC was like non-existent there for awhile and the only ones we saw was a small AD force from time to time. We even called are PVP night early and sat there PVEing Cyrodiil for 2 hours. We where bored. So yeah... we have no qualms about attacking either side. If the map is blue when we come out then blue gets our wrath, if it's yellow, same thing. Just because you are seeing one thing, doesn't mean that's what it is. I have yet to see a 100 man group on any side on Vol since my guild came over. Ever.

Xundiin · June 2014

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

I wasn't aware that Alacrity was the Vamp Emp guild you were discussing. As far as I know only one of them is a vampire but I've only talked to them once and I heard them laughing about how terrible vampires are (which I agree with unless you're NB).

Ok let me set things straight because people are getting the facts confused. We had to deal with 2 seperate VR10 groups. One was Alacrity before they had a 15 man fronting, Think we originally only had to deal with 5-6 of them at a time. Then there was a completely other group that was all Vamps. Also VR10. Between the two and the more VR 10's Alacrity started bringing in we'd head out to take the field only to find that we could do nothing but run around taking farms, lumber mills, and mines. We'd have 75 people and couldn't even think about taking a keep because of how unbalanced PVP is right now between AOE and Ult stacking. So Yeah we left to get away from being farmed so we could have fun. I think out of our 800+ guild roster (use to be 1200) we have a total of maybe 5-6 VR 12's I think like 2-3 of those actually PVP. Then we have a hand full of that roster around VR1-10. Again, only about 25% of those PVP. The rest of the guild is sub 50 and only maybe 15% of them PVP. So yeah. We may have the numbers, but we don't have the levels to deal with that many VR 12's.

Anazasi · June 2014

So let me try and understand this. It's ok to bring in a 800 person guild to a dead server that AD at best gets 30 players and you feel justified saying you're better because you have more players. I'm laughing at you because no matter how many hours you stay logged into Volendrung at this point you will never acquire enough AP to get more than a few coins. You got your faces rolled on some other server and picked up your toys and went to another sandbox that had low populations. You took the map when no one was on to defend, and even when players were on defending you choose to use the caltrop exploit to just stay in the fight because you were loosing to a smaller group. Frankly you can have the campaign and the game because at present there is no reason to play when numbers are so unbalanced.