Volendrung NA Campaign. Calling all Daggerfall Covenant and Aldmeri Dominion!!

Ezareth · June 2014

Xundiin wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

I wasn't aware that Alacrity was the Vamp Emp guild you were discussing. As far as I know only one of them is a vampire but I've only talked to them once and I heard them laughing about how terrible vampires are (which I agree with unless you're NB).

So take your 90 people and add the regulars who still exist on Volendrung and you have over 100. "Zergs" to me are both fodder and too difficult to organize into true organization. Take the two "Zergs" who assaulted BRK to dethrone murder last. They had no real coordination or strategy, just sort of mindlessly following each other (often to their deaths). That's the type of garbage I like to avoid in PVP. When I play in Wabba I play between the keeps picking off small groups of players and avoid the Zergs. It's just not fun. You can't kill anyone or do anything as an individual when there are 40 people who can heal your target or chase you down. Boring Zergfest.

I never said they where a Vampire VR guild. So don't add words to what I typed. Also, this is siege warfare, You don't take keeps in this style of PVP unless you have little to no opposition. Which we had a lot when we first came to the server. Also.... we haven't had 90 people for a long time... so again stop twisting what I typed. We had maybe 50 people, add about 20-30 people that where out side the guild to that and maybe even 10 of them joined our groups. Where you are getting confused is when we take the field each group does something different and has different objectives as a whole. We may send in a Deep runner group that heads south just to cut off supplies and travel routes to the north while we have another group that starts taking the keeps. This isn't zerg mentality, it's called large scale tactics. We look at the whole map, then come up with a strategy for each group with goals on how to take the whole map as fast as possible while hindering the oppositions ability to react. Go read ancient battle tactics some time. You'll see we use the same strategies as they did. Divide, overwhelm, conquer.

As far as you not liking "Zergfest" pvp, you are really kinda in the wrong game then. I love small scale PVP, I also love large scale PVP that is organized. Which it is when I run with my guild. I do not run with the mindless horde when my guild does events. There is no strategy there just mindless "kill them with numbers" mentality. The "last" time MT was dethroned our guild had already left. So if what you saw at BRK was not the organized group that was there at the beginning of the night.

The problem with Alacrity is that they are well past a 1% and in the .5% of the total population in gear, level, and emperor line. They are really to strong as a small 15 man fighting group for any "zerg" to deal with atm unless you can front a 200-300 man group against them, or a 40-50 man full VR 5-12 group. A group that is all VR 12's and organized would probably be able to go toe to toe with them on a even playing field. Atm most players that are in PVP are between the levels of 30 and VR1, which does little to help against them. All they are is AP batteries and nothing more.

Hard to keep track of who said what considering everyone is using forum names different than their usernames and I'm lucky if I can recall any of you in game regardless.

@Supersun‌ said:

:Umm...

The big "zerg" guild actually has Vol set as their home server.

They came here because they are a guild of mostly sub VR (non emperor) casual players that wanted to escape constantly fighting a group of 10-20 VR10 ex-emperor vamps that were following them around everywhere.

I don't really know them at all, I've played with them on Wabba a few times and they've helped us on Volendrung a few times. They don't seem very dedicated to PVP, more of PVE and "Farming" if you ask me.

The problem with Alacrity is they can only PVP with their group of 12 for a couple hours, after that they either want to carebear it up in trials or log. There are 2 or 3 of them who stick around longer that are more interested in PVP than the rest. Our guild isn't even V12....hell Murder has like 1 or 2 legendaries to his name. So to face the odds we do continuously and still end up constantly double teamed EVERY time we take a keep on the map just shows how *** this server has become. It's hard to differentiate the good players from the garbage because you just get kill after kill after kill all day and you guys keep coming. They really need to remove the AP caps after killing someone a few times because after the first hour of killing you guys we're not getting anything for AP.

There wasn't 100 EP attacking murder the last time he was dethroned, only 30 including the garbage GC guild and probably whichever EP pugs were with them. The bulk of the force was whatever garbage DC keeps calling in from off campaign plus the garbage that we've been farming since day 1.

If you guys came to this campaign for competition you came to the wrong campaign. 3-1 odds and double teaming another side who doesn't own a resource of on the map for weeks while you trade emperor back and forth with each other shows just the quality players you all are.

Xundiin · June 2014

I'll just come out and explain to you what happened. The game launches, we picked a Campaign that was DC heavy and where controlling the map. We then take the map with them there in one night and they quit and rolled to another Campaign. The rest of our faction wouldn't let DC or AD have even 1 outpost on the map. We started guesting to other campaigns looking for a decent fight. 1 week later we find that the map has turned yellow while we where off doing other things. We then started PVPing on our own Campaign again only to find that we where faced with a VR10 Vampire group who where farming Emperor/Former. We pvp and shut them down... well they couldn't do much with us out there on the field. They would take the map while we where not on. So every time we ran our events we where facing a full map of yellow. by the time the 3rd week of the game rolled around we where facing the Vamp group and Alacrity. 10-15 VR 10's all with Emperor/former because they made a pact with DC and they where trading it back and forth while we where not around. So when the events started rolling around we found that even if we kill 1 of them it wasn't giving much if any AP, and it was hard to face a organized group with about 50-75 people of all 30's.

So we then guested onto Vol looking for a fight more our level. We have organization, what we lack is gear and levels. We found that DC also where in the same boat except they where controlling the map against a EP force that was maybe a 1/3rd of what they had. We didn't even see an AD till our 3rd event. So this would be a week and a half. The fighting was fairly even and was fun, which is what we where looking for. Also, we've never took the Emperor from AD while they where not on the field. The last time MT was made Emperor was the first time we even saw AD control the map. So you can take your accusation and point them some place else.

Then we come out to do another guild event which most of us by then made Vol our home campaign and AD calls the guild we where trying to get away from. We do not have the levels or the gear to face Alacrity. If we did we could have some really nice fights with them, but as it is now we can't and just end up being an AP battery for them which is nothing more than a moral breaker for us and a waste of time.

We never have taken EMP from another faction while they where not on the field. If that was done after we logged off then that is not our fault. Second, PVP is suppose to be fun, we need to also have an environment where people who have not done this style of PVP can learn. Not only group tactics but map tactics as well. It's hard to teach when you have a group that just comes through and 2 shots everyone under VR1.

Edit: Make it less rude and Dickish

BSGDevastator · June 2014

HAIL SITHIS! GLORY FOR THE PACT!

Supersun · June 2014

When EP takes emp it's because PC calls in other players from off server. The large "zerg" guild has only been involved in one emperor capture and that was Nee, and AD was plenty there to try and defend against it.

Xundiin · June 2014

Well Ezareth, the problem is we need to pick a campaign that we can do events with a large number, this hinders us to our options. We have alliance guilds that are in Wabbajack and Auriel's Bow. So those two are out of the question, on top of the fact they are normally full. Also, you have to realize that our guild is international. We have just as many people from oceanic time as we do the NA time. So yes we may have a small force while you are sleeping. But that's hardly our fault as a whole.

anewel2011b14_ESO · June 2014

wow I have never heard so much whining and crying lmao. boo hoo they have a zerg omg did you not read the game description before you ordered it 100 vs 100 pvp battles! Is it anyone elses fault you can't get people out to pvp with you? Sounds like maybe they don't like you to me. You all must be like what 8 or something grow up grow a pair suck it up be a man (or woman) deal with it. ITS WAR IT IS NOT SUPPOST TO BE FAIR! lmao most laughs I have had all morning.

Anazasi · June 2014

anewel2011b14_ESO wrote: »

wow I have never heard so much whining and crying lmao. boo hoo they have a zerg omg did you not read the game description before you ordered it 100 vs 100 pvp battles! Is it anyone elses fault you can't get people out to pvp with you? Sounds like maybe they don't like you to me. You all must be like what 8 or something grow up grow a pair suck it up be a man (or woman) deal with it. ITS WAR IT IS NOT SUPPOST TO BE FAIR! lmao most laughs I have had all morning.

It would lend credit to your opinion if you could spell. The worst part is the forums have a spell check built in. I guess you're one of the bad players; oh I mean bad spellers.

Anazasi · June 2014

I have to say, last night was very funny. For about an hour or so all we talked about was how this one EP player was trying to work out a deal so he could farm AP and get emperor. Stating once he got it, his guild would be gone. I rolled on the floor laughing at this so called pvp player, frankly it is extremely sad that a player would resort to such back handed diplomacy. The fact is his so called guild came to this server because they couldn't get Emp on their previous home. The rolled everyone got the majority of there players EMP and then left the few who hadn't gotten it here to flounder on their own swords. WOW what a great guild with a great zerg mentality. Personally, If I was that begging player, I would wake up and smell the coffee, your guild doesn't care about you and you are just dead weight to them that's why you were amongst the last left here with no hope of getting what you originally came for.

wafcatb14_ESO · June 2014

If you consider us a Zerg guild than you never really fought one . Clearly if you had fought Ruin, Rhuin, Ruined, Rhuined, Ruination Rhuination guild each who were all 500 members strong and all came out and fought together as they were basicly the same guild then i`d say you were right lol.

I fought aginst the Rhuin zerg guilds as well as the one you are calling a zerg here . when GW2 released i joined them and moved to this game .

We have a lot of members however not all picked EP as their faction , so because of that there are certain servers we don`t play on since we have guildes on the oppsite faction on those servers and don`t fight on servers they are on .

We picked Hopesfire however i joined the game a month late and we were getting farmed by a V10 ex emp guild . so we started guesting on Vol and a couple others trying to find a place with a good fight but since a lot of us are sub V1 half are 30 and below that go out to AVA .

Normally we`ll have 1 or 2 full raid group and a 3rd if lucky full of pugs lead by one of us . if we are lucky we might have 3 groups of people V1 or above

Ohh and the working with another faction . an`t gona happen it`s been the same since 2001 in DAOC through Warhammer, Rift, GW2 and here if it`s red it is dead no one gets a free ride , if it looks like we are working with another faction cause we happen to both be hitting your keep it`s because we are trying to take the keep as well most of the time we will swoop in and attack the group after they get the walls down and wipe the attacking force .

While we may look like a zerg , everyone is in Raid call and each group is assgined a diff mission it is rare if all of us are at the same keep normally 1 or 2 will be off , doing diversion tactics to draw defnders away from the actual target or killing reinforcements otw to the real target,

Anazasi · June 2014

wafcatb14_ESO wrote: »

We have a lot of members however not all picked EP as their faction , so because of that there are certain servers we don`t play on since we have guildes on the oppsite faction on those servers and don`t fight on servers they are on .

I'm a little confused, are you an EP player or DC player? If you're a DC player then thanks for the admission that your guild / guilds participated in the taking of the AD scroll last week via being pulled into the keep by a "friend". Of course if your not of the DC faction then it doesn't matter. Oh in case those involved in that wonderful exploit are around don't worry about denying it, someone in the guild was Twitching that night live so we were able to record the entire event as well as the player who committed the act. I wouldn't expect zenimax to actually ban you for it but it was submitted to them for review.

Dahter · June 2014

tl;dr, you guys blew this up lmfao

Anazasi · June 2014

Dahter wrote: »

tl;dr, you guys blew this up lmfao

It's not like you were actually named in it....Oh did I just out you?

Xundiin · June 2014

Anazasi, Most of the people that are talking about the "zerg" guild are from GSCH (Gaiscioch). The guild is well known through the gaming industry and communities as being a legit gaming community that doesn't cheat, or exploit in anyway to achieve it's goals. A lot of the Developers in ESO know Fog (Foghladha) personally and has had meetings with him to help better games that the guild has been in. He reports any exploit he finds or imbalances we find to the dev teams of games we are in. He also records some of our outings to show what is going on in the current AvA scene.

If that is not enough for you then here. http://www.gaiscioch.com/about/history.html There is our website so you can poke around and see for your self what we do and what we are about.

We are not part of DC or AD. Though we have guilds that are part of our alliance from back in GW2 and Warhammer that do. We do not AvA against our own alliance so we don't go to certain campaigns.

Have a nice day.

anewel2011b14_ESO · June 2014

Anazasi wrote: »

anewel2011b14_ESO wrote: »

wow I have never heard so much whining and crying lmao. boo hoo they have a zerg omg did you not read the game description before you ordered it 100 vs 100 pvp battles! Is it anyone elses fault you can't get people out to pvp with you? Sounds like maybe they don't like you to me. You all must be like what 8 or something grow up grow a pair suck it up be a man (or woman) deal with it. ITS WAR IT IS NOT SUPPOST TO BE FAIR! lmao most laughs I have had all morning.

It would lend credit to your opinion if you could spell. The worst part is the forums have a spell check built in. I guess you're one of the bad players; oh I mean bad spellers.

Wow If all you can do is spell check me then by all means please do so. I missed some punctuation I'm sure would you like to go back and point those out also? But anyway hope you feel like a smarter person now. Seriously I love people like you who have nothing better to do than point out grammar errors.

wafcatb14_ESO · June 2014

yep sorry i thought the reference of how not everyone picked EP as it`s faction , would show i was referring to me being EP sorry for any confusion

but yes while we are a guild we are also a gaming community which has several guilds in the gaming community , there are several that did not go EP as their faction . so those guilds are on different servers which we don`t play on .

Wabberjack and Auriels bow since they are on those , we picked hopesfire at launch and now moved to Vol . since we won`t play against guilds in our Alliance ..

Ezareth · June 2014

Well it happened yet again. Painstakingly spent 20 hours taking the map back in Cyrodiil with all local AD. Wake up 4 hours later to find DC called in 150 people from both EP + DC again....off-campaign zerg strikes swarm strikes again.

I had 22 people in our group at peak. There are so many people on DC and EP that I've never seen before I can't differentiate the players from the off-campaign zergs.

To top it off I couldn't even keep a freaking camp up on the map because of a group of fair-weather AD PVE Pugs that just fed the swarm AP and soaked up camps the whole time they were there.

True PVP in this game is nonexistant. It's now a bunch of carebear PVE-title farming.

Has there been a single Emperor on Volendrung other than Murder Thumbs in the past 2 months that actually earned the title? No.

Zergs win every time because Zenimax was so short-sighted and listened to whiners who complained that smaller groups were AOE farming them and put caps in place. Now bodies, not skill wins the game. Just blow holes in walls, and fill the flag rooms with bodies faster than you can kill them, spam AOE heals (which aren't capped) and insta-cap everything. If I wanted to fight zergs I'd have switched to Wabbajack.

Guesting and this garbage people call "PVP Events" has ruined any chance of the PVP in this game being interesting. They're not even PVPing, just mindlessly following each other in a horde and spamming their abilities. No tactics, no skill or anything else...just need a pulse and a subscription.

AD Now holds what 17 of the top 20 spots on the campaign but what does that even matter?

Red and Blue haven't seriously fought each other for what a month now? Too busy sucking each other off for PVE-titles. DC can own the entire map for a week and you don't hear a single squeak out of EP. We'd take a single flipping keep and both EP and DC would attack us together at it. So of course when we take back emperor within 4 hours EP has to come suck blue off again and crown DC's next garbage Emperor in a line of garbage emperors; each one worse than the previous one. I just don't understand the character of you people. I'd have opened my veins long ago before I could stand to take a breath in one of your places.

Inklings · June 2014

ZoS needs to make a /cheese emote to go along with all this whine. Then maybe a /fishthisbig emote to go along with all that exaggeration.

koregen · June 2014

For the record we were not in any way coordinating with EP. Matter of fact they tried to ninja cap 6th keep soon as we got emp. They followed up by trying to ninja a scroll which luckily I spotted and called in the troops to defend.

However you have a very valid point on the AOE 6 man target nerf, it makes no logical sense and needs to go. I fully agree with you that zergs win especially ones that stay real tight and it's a result of that fail mechanic, it needs to be changed.

Sorry bro feel your pain, been there done that. Still hate you always owning me EZ haha.

-Kor

NeeScrolls · June 2014

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Well it happened yet again. Painstakingly spent 20 hours taking the map back in Cyrodiil with all local AD. Wake up 4 hours later to find DC called in 150 people from both EP + DC again....off-campaign zerg strikes swarm strikes again.

I had 22 people in our group at peak. There are so many people on DC and EP that I've never seen before I can't differentiate the players from the off-campaign zergs.

Has there been a single Emperor on Volendrung other than Murder Thumbs in the past 2 months that actually earned the title? No.

Red and Blue haven't seriously fought each other for what a month now? Too busy sucking each other off for PVE-titles. DC can own the entire map for a week and you don't hear a single squeak out of EP.

@ezareth_ESO‌

hey Eza, couple things:

1) i was *offline* all day today (until now)

2) there are really only a handful of true dedicated EP players (myself included) who have considered Volendrung as our HOME campaign since Week 1

3) obviously , i not only disagree with your statement about "no one but MT has earned *Emperor* in 2 months" but i'm also somewhat offended by the proclamation. However, despite our chats, i realize now that i'll probably never be able to convince you of the fact that i for one definitely earned Emperor for EP during those fortunate 5 days of 'reign' i had.

I know, and most everyone knows, how hard i worked (as low-level btw) to achieve Emperor status (and now back to # 1 ) , all the while doing everything i could possibly continue to do in trying to *lead* EP against a nearly impossible underdog point-total.

Did i have help? Of course i did. But to say that no one but MT "earned" Emperor is imo disrespectful to me personally (and those EP faithful who supported me & our side) .

4) Lastly, rest assured: I fight BOTH sides. No matter what. I kill AD & DC, as best that i can. Period. I have no 'allegiance' with anyone (except PACT) .

As always, i speak for only myself. And my *actions* speak loud enough.

./bow, Nee

p.s. I hear you and mostly agree with a lot of your opinions/complaints regarding ESO Dev team's screwing up what could have been a truly awesome PVP system (and area) .

Ezareth · June 2014

NeeScrolls wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Well it happened yet again. Painstakingly spent 20 hours taking the map back in Cyrodiil with all local AD. Wake up 4 hours later to find DC called in 150 people from both EP + DC again....off-campaign zerg strikes swarm strikes again.

I had 22 people in our group at peak. There are so many people on DC and EP that I've never seen before I can't differentiate the players from the off-campaign zergs.

Has there been a single Emperor on Volendrung other than Murder Thumbs in the past 2 months that actually earned the title? No.

Red and Blue haven't seriously fought each other for what a month now? Too busy sucking each other off for PVE-titles. DC can own the entire map for a week and you don't hear a single squeak out of EP.

@ezareth_ESO‌

hey Eza, couple things:

1) i was *offline* all day today (until now)

2) there are really only a handful of true dedicated EP players (myself included) who have considered Volendrung as our HOME campaign since Week 1

3) obviously , i not only disagree with your statement about "no one but MT has earned *Emperor* in 2 months" but i'm also somewhat offended by the proclamation. However, despite our chats, i realize now that i'll probably never be able to convince you of the fact that i for one definitely earned Emperor for EP during those fortunate 5 days of 'reign' i had.

I know, and most everyone knows, how hard i worked (as low-level btw) to achieve Emperor status (and now back to # 1 ) , all the while doing everything i could possibly continue to do in trying to *lead* EP against a nearly impossible underdog point-total.

Did i have help? Of course i did. But to say that no one but MT "earned" Emperor is imo disrespectful to me personally (and those EP faithful who supported me & our side) .

4) Lastly, rest assured: I fight BOTH sides. No matter what. I kill AD & DC, as best that i can. Period. I have no 'allegiance' with anyone (except PACT) .

As always, i speak for only myself. And my *actions* speak loud enough.

./bow, Nee

p.s. I hear you and mostly agree with a lot of your opinions/complaints regarding ESO Dev team's screwing up what could have been a truly awesome PVP system (and area) .

@NeeScrolls‌

I hear you man but I stand my statement and I've explained it to you in game as well. I have more AP than you and the past 2 emperors combined right now and I don't feel I deserve emperor so it shouldn't be viewed as an insult if I think the same of you. Winning the title should mean you actually passed someone on your campaign to hit the #1 spot and the ONLY Emperor still playing on Volendrung to actually do that right now is Murder Thumbs. I also think that an Emperor should be someone who is actually able to turn their alliance into a force to take control of the map, not call in zergs from off campaign to do it for you. We took the map last night and this morning with 10 people or less fighting every step of the way against one EP DK Emperor, you and a 10 or so DC. We didn't call in some zerg to do our work for us, and we didn't take every keep undefended, we played the game as it should be played.

It's my view of the achievement and what it *should* be, I don't blame you for not sharing it.

Ezareth · June 2014

koregen wrote: »

For the record we were not in any way coordinating with EP. Matter of fact they tried to ninja cap 6th keep soon as we got emp. They followed up by trying to ninja a scroll which luckily I spotted and called in the troops to defend.

However you have a very valid point on the AOE 6 man target nerf, it makes no logical sense and needs to go. I fully agree with you that zergs win especially ones that stay real tight and it's a result of that fail mechanic, it needs to be changed.

Sorry bro feel your pain, been there done that. Still hate you always owning me EZ haha.

-Kor

Well when your group parked alongside EP on our last keep without fighting them the point on whether one side called in the other becomes arbitrary. EP had nothing to gain by dethroning us as DC is by far the campaign point leaders, and giving the keep to you gave you Emperor instead of us.

I'll call a spade a spade where I see one.

Just wish I had a good 60 minutes repose to farm a few damn herbs.

NeeScrolls · June 2014

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

NeeScrolls wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Well it happened yet again. Painstakingly spent 20 hours taking the map back in Cyrodiil with all local AD. Wake up 4 hours later to find DC called in 150 people from both EP + DC again....off-campaign zerg strikes swarm strikes again.

I had 22 people in our group at peak. There are so many people on DC and EP that I've never seen before I can't differentiate the players from the off-campaign zergs.

Has there been a single Emperor on Volendrung other than Murder Thumbs in the past 2 months that actually earned the title? No.

Red and Blue haven't seriously fought each other for what a month now? Too busy sucking each other off for PVE-titles. DC can own the entire map for a week and you don't hear a single squeak out of EP.

@ezareth_ESO‌

hey Eza, couple things:

1) i was *offline* all day today (until now)

2) there are really only a handful of true dedicated EP players (myself included) who have considered Volendrung as our HOME campaign since Week 1

3) obviously , i not only disagree with your statement about "no one but MT has earned *Emperor* in 2 months" but i'm also somewhat offended by the proclamation. However, despite our chats, i realize now that i'll probably never be able to convince you of the fact that i for one definitely earned Emperor for EP during those fortunate 5 days of 'reign' i had.

I know, and most everyone knows, how hard i worked (as low-level btw) to achieve Emperor status (and now back to # 1 ) , all the while doing everything i could possibly continue to do in trying to *lead* EP against a nearly impossible underdog point-total.

Did i have help? Of course i did. But to say that no one but MT "earned" Emperor is imo disrespectful to me personally (and those EP faithful who supported me & our side) .

4) Lastly, rest assured: I fight BOTH sides. No matter what. I kill AD & DC, as best that i can. Period. I have no 'allegiance' with anyone (except PACT) .

As always, i speak for only myself. And my *actions* speak loud enough.

./bow, Nee

p.s. I hear you and mostly agree with a lot of your opinions/complaints regarding ESO Dev team's screwing up what could have been a truly awesome PVP system (and area) .

@NeeScrolls‌

Winning the title should mean you actually passed someone on your campaign to hit the #1 spot and the ONLY Emperor still playing on Volendrung to actually do that right now is Murder Thumbs. I also think that an Emperor should be someone who is actually able to turn their alliance into a force to take control of the map, not call in zergs from off campaign to do it for you.

, we played the game as it should be played.

It's my view of the achievement and what it *should* be, I don't blame you for not sharing it.

@ezareth_ESO‌

But that's just it: i DO share your opinion.

I have been playing the Cyrodiil 'game' the proper way (imho) since Week 1.

I never made any "deals" with any opposing factions, like many others did from EP. I never had any help at all (except for the normal grouping with other Pact players) during my climb to # 1 . No one ever "gave" me kills.

The only reason i called in "zergs" on that fateful night was because the 'PC' guild came in and i knew if i didn't rally the troops ASAP , i'd get passed by their entire guild of 20-30 Vet12 farmers who were GUEST'ing and only wanted to locust our server for trading Emps amongst themselves.

I'm just ONE player...low-level player at that. How could i possibly contend with a guild of Vet12's? No matter how much i worked/earned. I was making 25k alliance-points per day. They could make 250k per day.

So, i made a decision in the moment (using PC's help and another guild's help) that i thought at the time would be beneficial to our PACT side and would take advantage of a rare opportunity to really LEAD our side and galvanize our entire server. And it worked...for a few days.

And umm btw I did "pass people" on my way up to # 1 . Plenty of people. Like 999 people in fact lol. It's not my fault that May Queen (and other empty-Emps) CHOSE to leave the server.

Nor is it my fault if certain EP players aren't logged in when i'm Online killing enemies and gaining alliance-points.

Yet somehow, for whatever reason, you're refusing to give me deserved credit for what i clearly earned , just because i'm not as powerful (nor Dragonknight'd) as MT lol.

That's like saying Kobe Bryant sucks cuz he isn't Michael Jordan. Or Roger Federer winning the French Open doesn't mean crap cuz he didn't beat Rafael Nadal that one time. Or the San Antonion Spurs '99 Championship is worthless cuz it was during a "strike shortened season" .

Heck, how do you know that if i had chosen Dragonknight + Vampire (and level'd super fast to Vet12 ) , instead of Sorceror/Werewolf (without ever barely leaving Cyrodiil at all to level ) , how do you know our side couldn't have dominated like MT did? Or at least competed more consistantly (and not had so many quit the server cuz of MT's perceived "exploiting over-powered bs " lol.

And then, ask yourself this: If my path to Emperor was just so easy, spoon-fed, and unworthy, how come I'M the ONLY one who did it ? How come I'M the only one still at # 1 ? How come I'M the only level 38 Emperor in the history of Volendrung (or other servers maybe) ?

Yet MT is the only player who truly "earned" Emp?! I dunno dude, that sounds like a combination of your AD bias w/ some traces of your own bitterness of not being able to get Emp (this campaign) , combined w/ your obvious displeasure (which i share) about how most people have bastardized the whole 'system' thru exploits & emp-sharing manipulation.

So blame the ESO dev team, not someone like me.

Anyways, like i said: I doubt i'll ever convince you. But i'll be damned if i let you just spew superior claims trying to discredit or diminish what everyone else knows i earned (albeit not in the same way as the great MT did ) .

Eza: do u really think there's something terribly wrong with calling in "help" (EP allies btw) sometimes to flip some Keeps when nearly all of my server had already abandoned it. Am i not allowed, as Former Emperor, to call in reinforcements? Like any good General/Leader would do in a War?

Look man, you seem to be venting a lot, which is fine, but imo the fact that you're including me of all people in this venting is both misguided and misdiagnosed.

I know i'm not as skilled as MT (nor You) but it's a long running game (hopefully) and i'm learning new things every day in Cyrodiil. Plus, tonite i finally hit Vet Rank 1 .

Supersun · June 2014

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

koregen wrote: »

For the record we were not in any way coordinating with EP. Matter of fact they tried to ninja cap 6th keep soon as we got emp. They followed up by trying to ninja a scroll which luckily I spotted and called in the troops to defend.

However you have a very valid point on the AOE 6 man target nerf, it makes no logical sense and needs to go. I fully agree with you that zergs win especially ones that stay real tight and it's a result of that fail mechanic, it needs to be changed.

Sorry bro feel your pain, been there done that. Still hate you always owning me EZ haha.

-Kor

Well when your group parked alongside EP on our last keep without fighting them the point on whether one side called in the other becomes arbitrary. EP had nothing to gain by dethroning us as DC is by far the campaign point leaders, and giving the keep to you gave you Emperor instead of us.

I'll call a spade a spade where I see one.

Just wish I had a good 60 minutes repose to farm a few damn herbs.

Put yourself in EP's shoes.

It would have been utterly stupid for us to attack DC since our goal was to take that keep.

Also, Nee certainly deserved Empress. Nee has been by far one of the most important players on EP Vol. Nee's probably lead more pug groups then anyone else on the server, and Ep would have been dead a loooong time ago without Nee.

Though that largely only delayed the inevitable. Since most servers are dead now.

People like to blame the players jumping ship when they are losing, but that's not the real problem. The problem lies in that you essentially cannot do anything in a campaign with pugs until you have at least 15 players due to the super buff NPCs. What pug joining a campaign is going to sit around and wait until another 14 other random people join up when they can just hop to Wabba instead. Outside of either a large guild on a server or a guild that just never sleeps servers have no fate besides to just die.

Only Zeni is to blame for this. This is solely a game design mistake. Condensing the servers will help during more active hours by just saturating the servers, but the same issue will happen at night where guilds night cap servers without competition because all the pugs have to all migrate to one server because you cannot do anything on a server until you hit that magic number.

NeeScrolls · June 2014

Supersun wrote: »

Also, Nee certainly deserved Emperor. Nee has been by far one of the most important players on EP Vol. Nee's probably lead more pug groups then anyone else on the server, and Ep would have been dead a loooong time ago without Nee.

lol fixed and /glare Felisity

You just couldn't help yourself, could you?

p.s. That was frickin fun as hell tonite /hi5 the 2 of us versus 20 DC (including their new Emp) and still we managed to kill a bunch of them AND cause them to stop their entire Siege of that Keep (and then kill a few more at the end while we slowed their final siege of Farragut ) .

ahh the simple *moral & morale victories* of EP side on Volendrung lol

SwampRaider · June 2014

It's funny though, EVERY DC PLAYER but TWO were server regulars. that's right, DC had only 2 guests. I should know, I was one of them. Volendrung is my guest campaign, I have a right to defend it.

I would like to go back to my home campaign, But currently EP has the whole map and I only have 15 players vs their 40 and they farm us at the gates and play longer hours than we do. DC on Chrysamere is East coast, EP on that campaign has people for all hours. To top it off, There are NO AD on my server, making the battle incredibly only on 1 front. The AD died on chrysamere once an Emp Trading guild led by Mu Mu(who used to be on volen) quit the game.

@ezareth_ESO‌ , You should know this by now:

If 3 factions are fighting each other at a keep, defenders usually win. That's why when dethroning someone, you try not to attack the other side.

wafcatb14_ESO · June 2014

yep i don`t like AOE caps , i wish there was no cap like back in DAOC , all adding a cap does , is make zergs more common ,

I perfer to run with the groups we call dagger groups , which are basicly skirmisher groups small groups 6 to 8 people using hit and run tactics and misdirection while the larger groups do the main siege.

i didn`t like it in Warhammer when they limited aoe or in GW2 all it does is make the zergs bigger . without caps, it splits up the zerg, as people tend to spread out to avoid getting wiped .

The lead dev helped create DAOC , but i don`t think he did very much on this game , games too screwed up to have anyone with any exp actually working on it haha .

Xundiin · June 2014

Until the fix half of the abilities that are way out of control with damage and well as bringing classes closer together in balance. The cap is kinda needed. Right now Impulse is the highest damaging AOE behind Standard and Siege equipment. It's the only AOE with that kind of damage that is spammable.

Now, add in all the class line passives and buffs with Emp/former plus AvA buffs. and it gets out of control. When all the classes are closer to inline with each other the need for a cap might not be needed. Right now most of what you see is Destro/Resto staff DK/Sorc Talon/Impulse spamming builds. Not exactly rocket science to see the problem. Yet in my opinion ZOS is being to timid with their balancing. Some times this is good, some times this is going make you loose more subs. Right now this game is in a sad state. I understand they are trying to fix it, but I feel they are doing to little between patches.

WarrioroftheWind_ESO · June 2014

I'm just going to have to call out people on a lot of crap I been seeing. I'm kind of getting tired of seeing MT being held up as the victim or a cool guy, but he's kind of the reason EP up and died in the first place. When I started on the camp EP had a somewhat stable group of 30+ people ranging from 12-vets. We'd start sieges and get keeps on occasion, but I'd seen way too many times when we break through and we see one person absolutely destroy everyone before we knew what hit us. And when we were rezzing we'd ask, who was that? Oh, AD emp lol.

But it stopped being funny after the 50th time. It's a combination of factors no doubt, but one of the main reason so many original Vol camp players up and left was because why even bother against something that overpowered? One of the most damaging events was probably this legendary scroll run we tried doing in the day time. Each time we nearly got to our keep/gate, guess who showed up and annihilated 2x FULL groups of escort? You guessed it. MT.

Zeni has to treat eggshells when it comes to class balancing. They can't let it get like WoW where they play whack-a-mole with abilities and end up pissing off even more people, but they let this sort of OPness persist way too long and it resulted in alot of people just giving up. Either they need to reduce the ult-reduction effect while boosting damage of ults, or hard nerf the 'former emp' abilities to not be so OP, because right now "emp farming" is ruining the game.

Who remembers a goofball named Emperor Davis? He's loud, kinda obnoxious, but the oddest thing was his crazy siege pugs seemed more like true pvp to me. Way before they put keep npcs on steroids, we did front door breakins with surgical precision. That was strategy enough, and it was always fun until you-know-who waltzed in and annihilated everyone.

This farce with a bunch of vet leeches who get emp and jump ship is not true pvp. I wonder if whenever a 'new' emperor is crowned, they should keep a 'relevant point score' counting points everyone's gained in that period of time, and wipe this 'relevant point score' after a new emp, that way instead of an emp being the 'next in line' It'll have to rely solely on skill and contribution. There's probably other possibilities too, like reducing contribution from aoe kills/dmg while boosting solo kills. I get "emperor" is supposed to feel special, but it feels like a farce now, and I don't care how 'skilled" someone is, unless you're friggin Tiber Septim, you have no buisiness soloing 40+ people, WITHOUT dying, WITHOUT losing more than 1/3 of your health, AND healing what health you DID lose in less than a second.

Another thing that ruined pvp are these elitist guilds who not only demean honest pvpers, but practicaly bully them into NOT participating because they want no competition as they muscle their way to the top of the leader board. Right now regular Vol players are so inactive, Shesha's been holding onto the #3 spot with 910k and she hasn't logged in in DAYS. I know, she friended me. Nee's the only one who'd still hard at work out of the original Vol players, and man he works his butt off. Most others have probably gotten so disgusted they either unsubbed, quit pvp, moved camps, or maybe they're like me off gaining lvls hoping to come back when they're tougher only to get stomped once more by OP builds.

It's practically been a domino effect here. MT gains godlike powers and exploits it for personal gain, other factions call in backup to try and shift balance, said backup turns out to be *** who do more harm than good, AD loses the map for more than a hour so they pitch a hissy fit and call in all their emps/former emps from other servers. Good sieges or not, ht's still rediculous seeing how many sides have over half a dozen emps/former emps.

But basically, no matter how you try to spin it, hiding under the skirt of your broken emp build isn't 'superior tactics'.

Ezareth · June 2014

NeeScrolls wrote: »

@ezareth_ESO‌

But that's just it: i DO share your opinion.

I have been playing the Cyrodiil 'game' the proper way (imho) since Week 1.

I never made any "deals" with any opposing factions, like many others did from EP. I never had any help at all (except for the normal grouping with other Pact players) during my climb to # 1 . No one ever "gave" me kills.

The only reason i called in "zergs" on that fateful night was because the 'PC' guild came in and i knew if i didn't rally the troops ASAP , i'd get passed by their entire guild of 20-30 Vet12 farmers who were GUEST'ing and only wanted to locust our server for trading Emps amongst themselves.

I'm just ONE player...low-level player at that. How could i possibly contend with a guild of Vet12's? No matter how much i worked/earned. I was making 25k alliance-points per day. They could make 250k per day.

So, i made a decision in the moment (using PC's help and another guild's help) that i thought at the time would be beneficial to our PACT side and would take advantage of a rare opportunity to really LEAD our side and galvanize our entire server. And it worked...for a few days.

And umm btw I did "pass people" on my way up to # 1 . Plenty of people. Like 999 people in fact lol. It's not my fault that May Queen (and other empty-Emps) CHOSE to leave the server.

Nor is it my fault if certain EP players aren't logged in when i'm Online killing enemies and gaining alliance-points.

Yet somehow, for whatever reason, you're refusing to give me deserved credit for what i clearly earned , just because i'm not as powerful (nor Dragonknight'd) as MT lol.

That's like saying Kobe Bryant sucks cuz he isn't Michael Jordan. Or Roger Federer winning the French Open doesn't mean crap cuz he didn't beat Rafael Nadal that one time. Or the San Antonion Spurs '99 Championship is worthless cuz it was during a "strike shortened season" .

Heck, how do you know that if i had chosen Dragonknight + Vampire (and level'd super fast to Vet12 ) , instead of Sorceror/Werewolf (without ever barely leaving Cyrodiil at all to level ) , how do you know our side couldn't have dominated like MT did? Or at least competed more consistantly (and not had so many quit the server cuz of MT's perceived "exploiting over-powered bs " lol.

And then, ask yourself this: If my path to Emperor was just so easy, spoon-fed, and unworthy, how come I'M the ONLY one who did it ? How come I'M the only one still at # 1 ? How come I'M the only level 38 Emperor in the history of Volendrung (or other servers maybe) ?

Yet MT is the only player who truly "earned" Emp?! I dunno dude, that sounds like a combination of your AD bias w/ some traces of your own bitterness of not being able to get Emp (this campaign) , combined w/ your obvious displeasure (which i share) about how most people have bastardized the whole 'system' thru exploits & emp-sharing manipulation.

So blame the ESO dev team, not someone like me.

Anyways, like i said: I doubt i'll ever convince you. But i'll be damned if i let you just spew superior claims trying to discredit or diminish what everyone else knows i earned (albeit not in the same way as the great MT did ) .

Eza: do u really think there's something terribly wrong with calling in "help" (EP allies btw) sometimes to flip some Keeps when nearly all of my server had already abandoned it. Am i not allowed, as Former Emperor, to call in reinforcements? Like any good General/Leader would do in a War?

Look man, you seem to be venting a lot, which is fine, but imo the fact that you're including me of all people in this venting is both misguided and misdiagnosed.

I know i'm not as skilled as MT (nor You) but it's a long running game (hopefully) and i'm learning new things every day in Cyrodiil. Plus, tonite i finally hit Vet Rank 1 .

As I said Nee, my views aren't an indictment of you or your ability, just a matter of the circumstances in which you and everyone else assumed the title. As I said I don't deserve the title so why would it be insulting that I don't feel you did? You've done the best you could with what you had. I don't blame you for it.

I'm not bitter about not wanting Emperor, I could have had the title if I wanted it long ago. I find the desire to get Emperor what has killed PVP in this game. Do you realize there is a player on DC who spend a *** MILLION gold on wall repair kits so he can get the title? We would seige keeps and he'd frantically be repairing the walls behind us, not to help his team or as a form of strategy, but because it gave him 28 AP per repair. That is what is sad about this game. Zenimax is at fault with terrible design, not you for taking advantage of the situation presented you.

Look at the garbage small population servers all over just like Volendrung. I could have taken number the #1 spot on several of them over the past month. Our guild could easily do what GC's guild did but we didn't. At this point most of us are too Embarassed by the Emperor title to even want it. Look at the skill quality of all of the players who have had it in the past. If we're bitter about anything, it isn't that we didn't all get Emperor, it is that Zenimax destroyed what should have been the ultimate PVP achievement in this game by allowing Emperor swapping, and dozens of emperors per side in each campaign. Now when I see someone sporting "Former Emperor/ress" as a title around Cyrodiil I equate it with "Master Wizard" or the other dime a dozen garbage titles you see people running around with. That's a damn shame because there are a few of them I've fought who damn well deserve that title and their SKILL shows it. Fixate, Nicolle, Murder Thumbs and a few others come to mind.

If you want my personal respect as a player, you'll have to kill me a few times doing something other than firing a ballista, pouring oil etc while I'm under attack by NPCs. Felicity has done despite being lower level so I give him the respect he's due for it. I know you like Seige equipment and all but you have class abilities as well and I had no idea you were even a sorcerer until you told me and you don't have several key class abilities as well. I levelled from Level 14 or so all the way to VR7 exclusively in Cyrodiil so you can't use that as an excuse either. Being a werewolf isn't helping you either. Giving every player +9% damage against while not giving you anything useful just doesn't inspire respect from people.

Either way man, you don't need my respect and shouldn't desire it if you do. Just do what is fun for you because that's what this game is about. We all play by our own set of rules. I live by a more rigid set than most and I'm not surprised that more don't share them. Best of luck to you.

I may see what they do with the campaign changes but at this point I'm done with the PVZ in this game until they do something to fix it. Since I can't stand the PVE I'll just be logging on to get my hireling items on main and alts and hording gold until then.

Ezareth · June 2014

Supersun wrote: »

Put yourself in EP's shoes.

It would have been utterly stupid for us to attack DC since our goal was to take that keep.

Also, Nee certainly deserved Empress. Nee has been by far one of the most important players on EP Vol. Nee's probably lead more pug groups then anyone else on the server, and Ep would have been dead a loooong time ago without Nee.

Though that largely only delayed the inevitable. Since most servers are dead now.

People like to blame the players jumping ship when they are losing, but that's not the real problem. The problem lies in that you essentially cannot do anything in a campaign with pugs until you have at least 15 players due to the super buff NPCs. What pug joining a campaign is going to sit around and wait until another 14 other random people join up when they can just hop to Wabba instead. Outside of either a large guild on a server or a guild that just never sleeps servers have no fate besides to just die.

Only Zeni is to blame for this. This is solely a game design mistake. Condensing the servers will help during more active hours by just saturating the servers, but the same issue will happen at night where guilds night cap servers without competition because all the pugs have to all migrate to one server because you cannot do anything on a server until you hit that magic number.

Why was your goal to take that keep? It served no strategic purpose for you other than petty vengeance or a lack of skill to take a defended keep solo. You could have attack our keeps housing our scrolls, attacked DCs other keeps. We would have fought blue over you had you done so which is why we didn't defend the first 3 keeps you took.

The end result was blue controls the entire map yet again and you and your Zerg got.....nothing in return.

As far as you can't do anything without 15 players I gotta call BS. We easily took most of the keeps the night before with SIX people and a me as the only healer with a single resto ability. That was with that piece of trash Dahter as Emperor running in on us several times each keep. Once you've assaulted enough keeps you'll learn how to quickly and efficiently neutralize keeps with a small number of players. Sadly this requires more PVE skill than PVP skill.