Low-Level Armors' Color-Schemes "Nerfed" by Craglorn Update

Lovely

I have a lower level Altmer guy, golden skin, golden tattoos and he had a pair of black breton legs I absolutely loved on him. Now they're beige. I hate beige. Did you notice the Saint armour is beige too? So. Much. Beige.

ArcaneBlue

Wicked_Wolf wrote: »

SnarkyQB wrote: »

been talking to this guy from zos about this.
anybody else talking to zos on this matter?

What are they saying? I saw something about VR armor getting a boost before this happened, but nothing about making everything pre VR look dull and the same. The only ZOS response I've seen after the patch was the one below, which obviously doesn't address it at all.

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hey Wicked Wolf, I'll copy&paste some of the things this ZOS guy's said to me.


Response By Email (insert ZOS CS name here) (05/25/2014 10:41 PM)
Greetings Adventurer,
Thanks again for contacting the Elder Scrolls Online Customer Support Team! My name is ***** and I will be happy to assist you with providing an answer to your question.
I can't comment to much about our choices for the VR armor with this most recent patch, but here is some information that is included in our patch notes that I hope will give you the information you need regarding this question.
Patch Notes v1.1.2
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/100211/patch-notes-v1-1-2#latest
Also, the way we went with the armor color schemes was to offer players a little variation through gameplay. As you progress with the game, and reach higher Veteran Ranks, that will change. We are currently investigating the color schemes and may choose to change this feature in the near future, but I can't promise anything at this point.


okay...
he says this change was to offer us some variation but I think it's actually offering us non-VRs LESS variation?
and also, like I've said many times over in this thread (and some other threads), we all know VR gear looks good. it's just, not all the non-VRs have time or wish to level fast to hit VR and many VRs and devs don't seem to get that.

Rastafariel

Characters should not be penalized if they are not VR10 or 12. We should be able to look decent in crafted armor at any level and have access to all colors. Also, the idea that gold trim makes things look better as you improve armor is silly. There should be other options, perhaps silver, in every other improvement level.

Wicked_Wolf

THAT was ZOS's response?! How is this variation? They effectively removed all variation for anything that's not VR. Unbelievable. Thank you for posting that Snarky.

Crisscross

Guys, this doesn't work on all armors but on some of them you can get your old look back... if you spend mats to upgrade their quality.

The way it worked before was the armor progressed based on level. Level 1 armor was brown and bland, 4-6 armor introduced more color variations, 8-12 even moreso, etc etc.

Now the way it works on SOME armor (i've tested a few sets and this doesn't hold true for all), is that all WHITE quality armor is the same as how armor looked at level 1 pre patch, GREEN quality armor looks the same as level 4-6 pre patch, and so on with blue and presumably purple.

Again, this only held true for some of the armor I tested (mainly lowbie iron and rawhide armor). There must be some rhyme or reason to how the rest of the system works, but I'm not rich enough to keep blowing mats =S

Hope this helps someone at least.

Bleakraven

Hope we wont look like we just rolled down a grassy hill onto a wet clay pool...

Wicked_Wolf

Improving the armor doesn't help much. So far I've tested some pieces, going from white to blue on level 30 light armor. It still retains that same ugly color scheme with maybe a little white here and there.

rayeab16_ESO

aye, otherwise, you cant do naught but roll up a Pack'Marah XD
(and that would go badly...espeicaly with all the kajits about....oh dear)

i still dont see why they could not have just taken the overlays (ya know, the stuff that *used* to make your green+ upgraded gear look shiney) and kept those for the VR gear, but left them off the <50.
solves a fair bit of the problem becasue then there isnt any shiney-shiney for the vets to whine we have, and we could have kept the basic colourschemes.
there is nothing fancy about a cornflower blue robe with leather ties, compared to a shimery looking robe thats got a shiney overlay ontop of its colours
without the overlays, your gear looks like cotton and flax and hemp based fibers. instead of the satin and silk and so forth that the shimer looks like (well on your robe type i mean)
metals look dull and leather looks dusty without any shine overlays.

simples....dull enough for the VR crowd to be satisfied, while having a chance of colourchange for those that dont go thru VR or dont like the VR content.

Wicked_Wolf

rayeab16_ESO wrote: »

aye, otherwise, you cant do naught but roll up a Pack'Marah XD
(and that would go badly...espeicaly with all the kajits about....oh dear)

i still dont see why they could not have just taken the overlays (ya know, the stuff that *used* to make your green+ upgraded gear look shiney) and kept those for the VR gear, but left them off the <50.
solves a fair bit of the problem becasue then there isnt any shiney-shiney for the vets to whine we have, and we could have kept the basic colourschemes.
there is nothing fancy about a cornflower blue robe with leather ties, compared to a shimery looking robe thats got a shiney overlay ontop of its colours
without the overlays, your gear looks like cotton and flax and hemp based fibers. instead of the satin and silk and so forth that the shimer looks like (well on your robe type i mean)
metals look dull and leather looks dusty without any shine overlays.

simples....dull enough for the VR crowd to be satisfied, while having a chance of colourchange for those that dont go thru VR or dont like the VR content.

Exactly. I don't understand why this can't happen. I really don't see the logic in this new change.

Haxer

On the flip side here, it was equally disappointing to get higher and higher level and have the gear look the same. Pre-patch, while the lower gear looked better, having level 26 be the only noticeably improvement on looks was just as bad as this is. I feel your pain, but I think this is the lesser of two evils. Higher gear should look better than lower gear. It didn't before.

ArcaneBlue

Wicked_Wolf wrote: »

THAT was ZOS's response?! How is this variation? They effectively removed all variation for anything that's not VR. Unbelievable. Thank you for posting that Snarky.

I know right, and here is another reply from the same guy

warning:wall of text



Response By Email (his name) (05/26/2014 03:25 PM)
(My name),
I had to research the armor types/styles, and got a lot of help from some of the other agents I work with here at Zenimax in regards to the armor in The Elder Scrolls Online.

Basically, a lot of the lower level armor looks the same because of the material used to make the armor. There are 14 different styles of armor, and 3 different types of armor, which make up 42 different types of armor for players to use. Depending on the material used to make the armor (Jute, Cotton, Leather) will determine how it looks when placed on your characters.

You can also change how the armor appears by using the various types of races to create the armor (ie. Khajiit armor will look different than Argonian armor, no matter the material used to make the armor). You also have the chance to have one character (let's say their race is Breton) learn how to make armor of other races (like Khajiit armor) by locating the different versions of Style Books (Racial Motifs) that are hidden all over Tamriel. This will give you the chance to have that character wear the armor of other races (Breton, Khajiit, Dark Elf, Wood Elf, Redguard, Orc, Argonian, High Elf, Nord, Primal, Imperial, Ancient Elf, Barbaric/Reach, Daedric, Sexy Orc). Along with being able to create armor of these different races, their are also dozens of buffs/add-ons that you can craft into the armor to make it unique and better than it originally was.

For more information about the Racial Styles/Motifs and other details associated with the styles/motifs, feel free to check out the following forum discussion:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/61081/crafting-racial-styles
I hope this provided you with more information about our armor choices and the different styles/types of armor that you can locate/create in The Elder Scrolls Online. Please let me know if you require any further assistance, or if you have any other comments/concerns that I can answer for you.




we know that. we all know that.
we all know that there are motifs to learn different crafting styles.
we all know if you use different mats (jute, flax, cotton etc) the armor will look different.
we all know there are 3 different sorts of armor. (light medium heavy)
that's not our argument here. (it's not, is it?)

oh and he says there are addons to make armor better? not sure in what way, but are they like "well, there are addons for this and that, so we don't have to work on that ourselves..."? I'm not sure what to make of it.


*edit* misspelling

Lovely

I think he means traits when he says buffs/add-ons.

Bleakraven

I still can't believe how basic knowledge all the CS replies tend to be whenever you ask them anything...

seaef

Bleakraven wrote: »

I still can't believe how basic knowledge all the CS replies tend to be whenever you ask them anything...

Don't blame the CS employees, blame the people who write the SOPs they follow and the canned responses they regurgitate back to us over the phone/email.

Iceman_mat

Didn't notice, I do play on low graphics atm, also my armor was recently replace by something that is OP, I call it leveling


-Cheers

Wicked_Wolf

Again, another useless response from CS. I personally like the "style" of the armors, pre or post patch. What I think is completely wrong are the colors. It's the same exact color scheme across all of these levels and across all of these races. Brown, yellow, green...basically rags.

i don't want to take anything away from 50+ and I don't want to be equal. I just think there's too drastic of a difference. Right now, it's like thrift store vs. Versace. Keep the Versace in place but can we progress beyond the thrift store already and maybe get some middle brands here?

ArcaneBlue

got another reply from a different ZOS CS but I'm hesitant to post another wall of text here.
anybody else communicating with them on this matter?

Wicked_Wolf

SnarkyQB wrote: »

got another reply from a different ZOS CS but I'm hesitant to post another wall of text here.
anybody else communicating with them on this matter?

I've sent one but no response yet

Brandoid

I don't know. My vr7 silverwaeve bosmer light armor was some kind of green at white quality, then black with green quality, then a dark-blackened red with gold at blue quality.

I also noticed how my armors didn't start changing color other than outline stuff unitl vr6 gear.

ArcaneBlue

Wicked_Wolf wrote: »

SnarkyQB wrote: »

got another reply from a different ZOS CS but I'm hesitant to post another wall of text here.
anybody else communicating with them on this matter?

I've sent one but no response yet

mind if I ask what you've said/asked them?
just curious


anyways, if they seriously think this change was to offer us more variation and sense of accomplishment/progression, they've got it all wrong.
this change offers us LESS variation and VERY LITTLE sense of accomplishment, if not none.

tordr86b16_ESO

Canned cat food, rofl. Good one, yeah I agree. Too many shades of gray in this game, no offense ZOS but... Wildstar makes me feel better, ESO just depresses me even further.

Sakiri

Argurios wrote: »

Nephys wrote: »

@Argurios You appear to think that low level gear looked 'mega' which is a nonsense. It looked crap, and now it looks crappier. Why you have this great objection to people that prefer take time to level having some gear that doesn't look completely dour is beyond me.

@Nephys Low level = average looking gear. Veteran rank = Decent looking gear. Cry me a river. I spent enough time walking around in dull grey VR10 gear that was epic level. Enjoy. Now i have black gear with gold trim, as it should have been from the start.

@Catflinger The starting gear in WOW was horrendous, and not matched at all. You expect me to believe anyone went to an armour shop in WOW, bought the white gear from a vendor and used that because it matched?

Yes you can make set gear at low level, at any level where you meet the requirements to craft in fact, so what?

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Flaming]

No, but a good half uses plate bikinis or tier sets from pre-60 content for transmog.

My dwarf lady warlock is using the aq raid set, with is pastel pink with olive patterns on it

Anzer

Argurios wrote: »

shiva7663 wrote: »

Argurios wrote: »

Name me one decent MMO, that your first character looks acceptably cool at L14?

City of Heroes.
Lord of the Rings Online.
Star Wars: The Old Republic.

Erm........no. You clearly thought i hadn't played any of these games, either that or you haven't played any of them.

SWTOR is only possible if you have a good legacy, but i said in my question, first character. As in one just starting out. These do not look good at all, more BS.

Same for LOTRO. More BS, all outfits look far worse than ESO until about L35.

Cith of Heroes i haven't played so ill take your word for it, despite it being a totally different style of game.

Nice try though.

What?
SWTOR- As long as you're a subscriber, any orange gear can be modded to your level, and color coordinated to the chest piece.
Not sure what Legacy level has to do with that?

City of Heroes- You created a character and how they looked in costume when you made that character. That was your hero and their signature look. At level 1.
As you progressed in the game, you unlocked extra costume slots to make other costumes for them if you so chose.
I'm not sure where you get off on saying that COH was a totally different style of game? It was an MMORPG and a fantastic one at that. I still won't touch anything by NCSoft due to what they did to that game.

LOTRO- No comment, haven't played the game.

Septimus

For Roleplayers, it's now become really difficult to get a good set. Leveling isn't a priority for RPers like myself, and the lower level armours looked at least somewhat good before.

Blade_07

Yeah, low level gear is suppose to look like crap. Its makes for another good and healthy incentive to level up for that pimp looking gear.

readymail79b14_ESO

Its not just the low level stuff guys. My VR10 full covenant set looked awesome pre-patch. So i figured something was bugged, got a full new set, made it all purple again.. still dungy and crappy looking. I dont even care about any of the IMBA broken ***, the lag and this armour *** really annoys me.

ArcaneBlue

the thing with armor colors is, it's only cosmetic.
yes I admit this is only cosmetic, (some may like to call it trivial) but that is exactly why I _and probably many other non VRs_ don't understand why they've altered the color scheme on armor.

the armor colours weren't game breaking.
they weren't attracting botters or gold sellers.
they weren't causing game imbalance.
so why make them look so drab and faded?

some VRs say non VR gear wasn't supposed to look that good, but I don't think so. it (or some armor pieces) looked okay, but wasn't good. it really wasn't that good.
now? it's even crappier.
whoever thinks this change is offering us more variation or sense of progression/accomplishment... I must disagree.

and I know some VRs like to say "just level up!" but not everyone has time or wish to level up so soon, and we shouldn't have to.

Septimus

Blade_07 wrote: »

Yeah, low level gear is suppose to look like crap. Its makes for another good and healthy incentive to level up for that pimp looking gear.

Yes, but when an entire style, e.g imperial, looks terrible, regardless of the quality of the armour; that's when it's a problem.

Thalmar

To be competitive in PvP you have to be VR player, to be able to join group PvE progression you need to be VR, to have a nice looking gear you have to be VR. So why you advertising your game like the journey is important, it is obvious the game developers' attention only for the people who exploits, rushes to the highest rank possible. Another MMO where end-game consumers, elitists won over the people who likes the horizontal progression. I really wasn't expecting the game will change this fast and cater destination players. I am sad.

Utherix

skarvika wrote: »

And unfortunately vet rank imperial gear still has the color of canned cat food.

Omg, no joke, my V4 Dunmer Robes are the same color, but with a golden bowl. I actually don't mind the look though, since its more of a copper color.