Low-Level Armors' Color-Schemes "Nerfed" by Craglorn Update

Sakiri

Im not sure why everyone seems to be okay with how it was before. My lowbie alts' gear all looks better. O.o

Poeskas

the gear 20ish through 45ish is all yellow-pee colored. lower armor seems mostly unaffected.. neat logic bro........

bg22

This change was needed. I'm vet 10 and looked the same, exactly the same since lvl 36. Now, there's a great distinction between low lvls and vets.

And I will say my vet armor looks 100x better now, by the way.

Dymence

Low level gear always looks bad in MMO's. I'd say deal with it and level.

Jim_McMasterub17_ESO

lower level armors not only all look like crap now, but they don't "fit" the way they used to. Dunmer all look like they added 35lbs with the patch.

Your graphics artists must have their heads up their *(&^9 !!

Wicked_Wolf

Yeah seriously everybody; you're SUPPOSED to look like this. All the robes should look like dirty colonial women's dresses and the armor should all look like we rolled around in garbage cans. And we are all supposed to look exactly the same from 1 - 50. None of that content matters. You're supposed to power level through it all to the real game. Then you are allowed to wear something decent looking once you hit VR level.

I mean that's why we are playing this right. So it's just like every other MMO. The whole Elder Scrolls angle doesn't really matter. Race to endgame everyone. Play like the real gamers.

Noctisse

Wicked_Wolf wrote: »

Yeah seriously everybody; you're SUPPOSED to look like this. All the robes should look like dirty colonial women's dresses and the armor should all look like we rolled around in garbage cans. And we are all supposed to look exactly the same from 1 - 50. None of that content matters. You're supposed to power level through it all to the real game. Then you are allowed to wear something decent looking once you hit VR level.

I mean that's why we are playing this right. So it's just like every other MMO. The whole Elder Scrolls angle doesn't really matter. Race to endgame everyone. Play like the real gamers.

The sarcasm is strong with this one...I couldn't agree more

Poeskas

Wicked_Wolf wrote: »

Yeah seriously everybody; you're SUPPOSED to look like this. All the robes should look like dirty colonial women's dresses and the armor should all look like we rolled around in garbage cans. And we are all supposed to look exactly the same from 1 - 50. None of that content matters. You're supposed to power level through it all to the real game. Then you are allowed to wear something decent looking once you hit VR level.

I mean that's why we are playing this right. So it's just like every other MMO. The whole Elder Scrolls angle doesn't really matter. Race to endgame everyone. Play like the real gamers.

lmao yup. let's all grind straight to VR and get burned out and forget ESO like happens with so many other MMOs

curlyqloub14_ESO

Argurios wrote: »

The colours were broken. They fixed them. Stop crying about your L14 characters that took 2 hours to level. Stop talking about 'rewarding' crafters, when levelling gear crafts takes no effort whatsoever.

You sound like children. Go level, then make cool VR gear. Like the game was intended to be.

Great, you're a power-leveller, congrats. Not all of us have 10 hours a day to devote to a game. Even if we did, not all of us WANT to reach end content so soon - we want to get our money's worth and take our time. And really - we are the ones who would likely be the longer-term paying customers, since we won't be finished and bored with the game in two months. We are the ones whose subscriptions could sustain this game for a long time.

Back on topic...

If the vet armor looked bad, I can agree with the high level people wanting it fixed, and I think that is a totally legitimate complaint. Higher level armor should look better.

However, they could have made high level armor look better WITHOUT making low level armor look worse. Marginalizing all non-vet gear was not necessary. They should have simply improved the vet armor, and left non-vet armor the way it was. If they couldn't figure out how to make nicer designs, hire some new designers. I have about a billion ideas - more detail, richer colors, more ornamental, better textures, etc etc. The non-vet armor wasn't bad, but it wasn't awesome either - there was definitely room for improvement. They could easily have improved the appearance of vet armor using the low level armor as the starting point for their designs, and left the low level armor the way it was.

Lord_Hev

Yeah. I'm going to start reporting this as a bug in-game. The armor complains were for VR armor. Why 1-50 armor suddenly had to change(for the worst) is beyond me.


Hmmm... Maybe the same reason they tried to buff a Nightblade skill... only to actually lolnerf it to complete brokeness AND break several other broken skills even more!

Korah_Eaglecry

Evergnar wrote: »

The "This was the way it was supposed to be" argument I'm just not buying.
So every since beta what we have come to know as the golden vet Templar armor look was always intended for level 40ish armor of all classes? Both my level 40+ bosmer NB & DK orc have armor that looks identical to all Templar armor seen in character creator.

So youll except the opposite concept that armor was supposed to get uglier as you leveled?

LordDeimosIV

Like everyone else i was dismayed when i logged in yesterday only to find out my armor had changed. I spent a good amount of time looking for the perfect combination of imperial and breton armor that would look good on my battlemage. As you can see from the picture, some of these color changes are questionable at best. My lvl 36 armor looks okay i guess but i do prefer the pre patch look. The lvl 40 armor is a different story, it's ugly and it makes no sense. It doesn't even look like Imperial armor anymore. I like how the "metal" parts on the lvl 36 armor change from grey to gold depending on the quality of the armor, that's a nice touch.

The thing that bothers me the most is that Zenimax didn't even bother to let us know that these changes/fixes were being implemented with the patch. If they had actually taken the time to inform the community and let us know why they making these changes the backlash/annoyance would have been much less. Why not wait with these changes until armor dye is available? That way we could just dye our armor to the colors we like and no one would have been angry.

I'm a barista and i work at a cafe. When i have 10 coffees i have to make i always let the customers know that they will have to wait a bit longer for their coffee because there are a lot of orders, people understand and never complain when i let them know. But the moment you forget to tell them, they come and ask where their coffee is and you tell them there are 10 people in front of them, they get angry and annoyed. Just informing your customers does wonders and i think a lot of companies need to understand this. I will be sticking to my lvl 36 armor until the next tier of cloth and hopefully the color schemes will be better.

netsike

I know you guys don't like these changes, but as someone already wrote before: your armor also was bugged, but in a good way. It looked better than it suppose to look like. And as a veteran, sometimes I felt like I'm wearing lvl1 armor, cause it looked so bad. I think it's more fair to say, as you are leveling higher, the armor looks better and better...

silvernightscape

My level 36 spidersilk robe went from being maroon/burgundy to brown, but the level 44 blue robe which is the same style as the maroon one didn't change at all in looks. I'd post a screenshot, but i can't get to it at the moment.

Just wondering... where was it posted/stated that the armor was wrong and bugged? Is that official or an assumption? The only thing I saw in the current patch notes was:

"Fixed an issue with Veteran Gear armor, which will now give them a higher-quality appearance rather than appearing to look like low-level gear."

mwiewandtb14a_ESO

fyendiarb16_ESO wrote: »

I did that for a while, relogged a few times because the new face uglification bug turned him into a freak of nature, and finally gave up. I have no desire to play him atm, all I see and feel is disgust for the way he looks compared to before the big patch.[/i][/b]

This! ^

I was really enjoying playing my characters, they looked pretty good, they were fun to play. I was having fun!

After this patch, I am not having fun. It doesn't help that my main was a Dragon Knight (who did not use bash jewelery!). For me, this patch was the worst thing ever. This patch drastically reduced the amount of fun I could have.

Patches should only improve the game. Anytime a patch causes thousands to cry out in agony, something is wrong.

mwiewandtb14a_ESO

netsike wrote: »

I know you guys don't like these changes, but as someone already wrote before: your armor also was bugged, but in a good way.

What are you basing this on? Show me proof (where is a post from a Zenimax employee)

Bookwyrm

Still can't even get into the damned game to just see IF there are changes to my characters (going on the assumption that there are, of course). It's now been 48 hours of being unable to even LOG IN. T_T This is after three repairs and the new patch, restarting computer, shutting off firewall, resetting modem, etc. etc.

At this point, I just want to see what the damage is. T_T

wizzerd_lg_ESO

Level gating anything in an MMO is blatantly stupid in my opinion, but level gating something cosmetic goes well beyond mere design incompetence.

Bookwyrm

I'm with the idea that even if this *was* a glitch and the low-level armor "wasn't meant to look so good" the better option would have been to upgrade the VR armor, not downgrade the low-level armor. It's a much worse idea to "take away" what has been given than to "improve" upon what was already there. Especially when it's all cosmetic anyway--no advantages given or taken, just player happiness.

ArcaneBlue

I will say this again, if they had to make VR gear look better that's totally fine but why the color change for non VR gear? not all the players have time to dedicate to power level to hit VR, or even if they do, many don't want to do so.

has anyone contacted zos on this matter, BTW? just curious.

Wicked_Wolf

VR was supposed to get the change; NOT everything below that. There was no need to alter everything pre VR so drastically. I don't understand why they couldn't just improve the VR armor without messing up everything else. Not only did they make them ugly, but everything is the same. The color scheme is basically green brown and orange across all types of armor. There is no variety whatsoever anymore.

Catflinger

I'll add my voice to the chorus: you folks claiming that the lower level armor was also bugged need to put up some proof that this was the case, or stop saying it.

PF1901

Argurios wrote: »

...You sound like children. Go level, then make cool VR gear. Like the game was intended to be.

After seeing some of those color schemes? Thanks, but no.
Actually I'm a bit po'ed my brown / greyish colored robe (level 12) turned into this frog green thing. Yuck. As for me - would be happy having my rags back. Like right now. Yeah, tastes differ.

netsike

mwiewandtb14a_ESO wrote: »

netsike wrote: »

I know you guys don't like these changes, but as someone already wrote before: your armor also was bugged, but in a good way.

What are you basing this on? Show me proof (where is a post from a Zenimax employee)

I can't give you an official statement about this, it was my personal opinion. If you check this 2 pictures before the patch, the lvl46-50 looked pretty shiny and fancy even on normal (white!) level. Now check the VR8 armor in a superior (blue) edition and you can see that obviously it's not normal, that the higher lvl armor, which is refined twice looks worse...

Images from Eso-fashion:

lvl46-50 khajiit normal:


VR8 khajiit superior:

Kreager

For Pete's sake how long do you really have to look at the freakin' low level armor.


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Argurios

Ganacampo wrote: »

Argurios wrote: »

The colours were broken. They fixed them. Stop crying about your L14 characters that took 2 hours to level. Stop talking about 'rewarding' crafters, when levelling gear crafts takes no effort whatsoever.

You sound like children. Go level, then make cool VR gear. Like the game was intended to be.

Only because you are a power leveller doesn't mean everyone can level this fast. It took me about 40 hours to get to L14.
I don't know if I will ever see a VR, so I should be able to have some good looking stuff earlier too.

Ok thats a fair point. I'm actually not a power leveller, it took me about a week and a half to get to L50, because i took my time, enjoyed the quests and watched the cutscenes. It was only after having to live through the other faction questing, that i got fed up and skipped through the quests.

However, none of my gear looked great ill admit. It all matched because i crafted full sets, and i also like my characters to look good even when they are lower level.

However, without any unnecessary bitterness, here is the point im trying to make.

The colours of lower level gear were broken since launch. I even wondered this myself as i got to later VR ranks, i was crafting gear and improving it to purple quality, and the graphics were no different than when the gear was blue quality. An obvious need for a fix.

Now, if this had been the way it should have been this post wouldn't exist, because your gear would have looked like it should from the very beginning of your journey. No MMO has decent looking gear in the beginning. Its a well known principle. It makes people want to level so they can start to look cool in the cool gear.

If you could look mega at L14, how is that rewarding for people at L40-50 who have spent more time levelling and everyone looks the same.

I understand people might not have as much time to play, but unfortunately, MMO's are a time sink. And more time usually leads to better character advancement. Most people know this. This is how MMO's are, and should always be. The developers that make MMO's should never shortcut principles of the MMO genre, to cater for people who cant spend any decent amount of time on the game.

That people are here now, making threads about something that only even came to pass because of a graphical error, demonstrates the level of entitlement gamers currently feel appropriate in this more wisely available era of MMO and online gaming.

"So and so played this game for 50 hours and has cool gear, i only played for 10 hours but i should have cool gear too, because my life is not suited towards playing MMO's, but i can't accept that so i will whine about stuff and get the game changed for everyone because i am selfish" Its just a bad argument.

@‌ People are actually complaining that they specced into a broken mechanic and that it isn't fair that Zenimax have changed it. I mean seriously?

i can guarantee 99% of the game population don't even see it as a problem.

Name me one decent MMO, that your first character looks acceptably cool at L14?

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Bleakraven

But at least before the patch the colours made SOME sense. Now? It's beyond random, the bright ugly colours are everywhere...

Pre-Patch:


After Patch;


So disheartening... I'm disappointed.

DanteYoda

Anath_Q wrote: »

My toons all look like they decided to exchange their nice outfits for dirty rags. Even dye wouldn't help.

I feel this about the whole games armor, honestly its all the same from 1 to 50 with tiny additions of brown and oh yeah brown..

Catches_the_Sun wrote: »

The armor appearances were bugged...some lower level armors had the appearance of VR gear & vice versa. On the plus side, armor appearances now do exactly what they're intended, which is look increasingly better as they increase in level. My VR4 Argonian looks incredible today, where yesterday you couldn't pick him from a crowd of level 30s.

Man if what i was leveling at low levels was VR gear i'm not in any hurry to get there, it was ugly as sin

kassandratheclericb14_ESO

As I will say again...the Vet armor could have been fixed without giving up the occasional color in the low level. Especially if someone has a named set in the lower levels...I fail to see why these at least could have retained some color or 'niceness."

It is not true that no MMOs have good looking lower level armors. There have always been named sets or special dungeon drop sets that were nice for all levels in pretty much any MMO.

Nephys

@Argurios You appear to think that low level gear looked 'mega' which is a nonsense. It looked crap, and now it looks crappier. Why you have this great objection to people that prefer take time to level having some gear that doesn't look completely dour is beyond me.

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