To those who think the game is too hard

Kohd1999

nickster2112b16_ESO wrote: »

look i dont care if you can do it or not im on thread complaining about the difficulty ppl are having with Vet content since the patch of which im also experiencing . You telling me you can do it does not help in the least bit go away and troll somewhere else and leave this thread to the ppl that want an answer to why it so difficult afteer the patch.

I see. So you just want people who agree with you...and people who say they are experiencing nothing new in the way of difficulty should 'go away'. That'll get to the bottom of things right quick!

What if this is only a bug for one faction...or it turned out to be shield bashers that were used to having their block engaged 24/7 (possible??).

Also, people who don't know the meaning of troll shouldn't use it to fill gaps in their statements.

nickster2112b16_ESO

ive been playing since February i know my class i know the way to play it to kill 2 Vet mobs that are 3 lvls below me or at least i did till the patch yesterday so so what i should learn to play my class again ? what im talking about is a problem im having with the difficulty of mobs after the patch just because you arent experiencing the problem doesnt mean theere isnt one

Kohd1999

nickster2112b16_ESO wrote: »

so what i should learn to play my class again ?

Possibly. Were you a shield basher?

If not, what faction do you play on?

Iceman_mat

I think that since everyone in PVP is VR1 - 10 that the mobs if they have scaled harder, scaled according to a medium of the player base in the PVP.



-Cheers

DisIzMe

I find the game too hard and unenjoyable after the patch. My vet 5 templar keeps getting slaughtered on simple mobs while it most surely did not happen before.
Its not only mobs that are harder,game responsiveness also took a huge hit.

Kudos to people that can solo public dungeons post 1.1.2,but i strongly suspect that if this change will continue you will have to continue to solo public dungeons cause there will be nobody left to group with anyways. At least i will certainly leave till this mess is fixed.

Shta

OK, so i did fight while questing against VR9 mobs alone with my sorc VR10 and i noticed some difference but I just put a maze to make pack of 3 become 2 and 2 become one and it's just as easy as before.

Takes more time with rune cage and mono dps then aoe but still works.

I guess everyone have to find some maze skill and other cc to put in his bar.

Talketzanto

Im a v4 nightblade......and content is not just hard, its down right impossible for us

Iceman_mat

I'm level 30


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Zxaxz

WAIT A MINUTE, where, anywhere, did I say the MOBS did not get harder?

I never made that statement, actually the mobs became UN_Stupid. They actually react to my stealth and attack much sooner after I come out of Shadowy Disguise adding to the challenge of the fight a bit.

Why would you want to play such stupid (Darkfall-esk) Mobs - pre-patch. They just stand there for 4 seconds and glitch out every time I aggro dump,Really? I never had to block a Heavy from mobs, just stealth (Aggro dump) and reset them, Really?

...Of course it's SLIGHTLY harder than 2 days ago. Group up if you can't solo everything in game, Block the Heavy hits, but to say it's TOO hard and unplayable and crying about it, like 3 year old looking for a teet, is absurd.

As in my video in 1 hour after the patch I figured out to switch my ult's around on my bars, and once again I was soloing the dungeons, ONE change. Oh and paying way more attention to the mobs emotes.

Do you really think you should have been able to pull 3+ groups (Sometimes around 12 total mobs) of mobs and solo AoE them down with zero health loss as DK's and Fire AoE sorc's were doing? ROFL, your 1st MMO? (Not that you particularly play one of those classes, general statement)

Lord_Hev

OR... They can balance the game properly, so that I'm not struggling against VR 1 bandit no-lives and skeevers, meanwhile I can solo a VR 4 World elite as a VR 2.


I do not need to L2p. Your idea is ignoring the issue. PvE is both solo & group content, and needs to be balanced equally for both. They also now need to fix the inadvertent buff that makes VR 7 - 10 trash more difficult than Craglorn mobs.


Somewhere in their busy schedule, maybe they can fix the Nightblade that they've butchered with SCIENCE!

Kohd1999

What is wrong with Nightblades? My class seems fine and I have pretty silly single target burst damage. Only issue I ever had with my class was PvP and stealth (which is a bug with magelight not being visible to a lot of people unless you are near them when they cast the darned thing...had no idea I was being uncovered! Well, that and DKs spamming the claw preventing me from moving no matter what I did ;p But that got fixed I think.)

Anyway, What faction do you play on and did you shield bash a lot pre nerf? (seriously asking this...shield bashers are probably very unaware how hard mobs hit because they were used to DPSing while blocking...probably not the case, but its a possibility and I'm curious.)

tinythinker

OK, well, feel free to keep arguing but it is confirmed that the random boosts to VR mob difficulty were not intended and are being rolled back within 24 hours.

Sorry to interrupt, continue on with the debate over how hard the game should(n't) be and what a *real* player can(not) do at veteran rank.

Oh, and have a great weekend.

Zxaxz

Lord_Hev wrote: »

OR... They can balance the game properly, so that I'm not struggling against VR 1 bandit no-lives and skeevers, meanwhile I can solo a VR 4 World elite as a VR 2.


I do not need to L2p. Your idea is ignoring the issue. PvE is both solo & group content, and needs to be balanced equally for both. They also now need to fix the inadvertent buff that makes VR 7 - 10 trash more difficult than Craglorn mobs.


Somewhere in their busy schedule, maybe they can fix the Nightblade that they've butchered with SCIENCE!

Okay, in one post, You Kill V4 Bosses, can't kill V2 Skeevers or Bandits as a V2; And have fought in Craglorn and V7 thru V10 mobs, Since yesterday on your V2?


(Truth)______________________________________________________________^_(BS)

My meter almost broke....

Oh, all this, and IT'S Unplayable, and too hard for you?

And, Lord_Hev, is that an Oxymoron considering this conversation?

Kohd1999

tinythinker wrote: »

OK, well, feel free to keep arguing but it is confirmed that the random boosts to VR mob difficulty were not intended and are being rolled back within 24 hours.

Sorry to interrupt, continue on with the debate over how hard the game should(n't) be and what a *real* player can(not) do at veteran rank.

Oh, and have a great weekend.

If you were talking to me, then I am at a loss.

alphawolph

Zxaxz wrote: »

nickster2112b16_ESO wrote: »

look i dont care if you can do it or not im on thread complaining about the difficulty ppl are having with Vet content since the patch of which im also experiencing . You telling me you can do it does not help in the least bit go away and troll somewhere else and leave this thread to the ppl that want an answer to why it so difficult afteer the patch.

LOL, so you fail at your class can't kill 2 mobs on your own and it's me trolling you? Evidently you can't theory craft, and learn your class. Just spam buttons, 123451234512345, and even if you are wrong; If someone even shows you it can be done, its not you. It me that is at fault, because I can do it. Fracken children of today, so sad and pathetic. I wonder if you never got taught to wipe your arse, could you figure out how to unroll the TP on your own? Edited: LOL, with out blaming someone else for failure?

So friendly

tinythinker

Kohd1999 wrote: »

tinythinker wrote: »

OK, well, feel free to keep arguing but it is confirmed that the random boosts to VR mob difficulty were not intended and are being rolled back within 24 hours.

Sorry to interrupt, continue on with the debate over how hard the game should(n't) be and what a *real* player can(not) do at veteran rank.

Oh, and have a great weekend.

If you were talking to me, then I am at a loss.

Not aimed at anyone in particular on who is being argumentative, just letting folks who may have missed it know that the VR mob difficulty issue has been acknowledged/is being fixed. And my wishing folks a great weekend is also for everyone.

BrassRazoo

I don't know what the hell at least half of you are talking about.
If you can say that nothing has changed since before last patch you are not in the same zone or level as others.
You simply cannot deny that un-mentioned changes to standard NPC difficulty has been made in certain VR levels.
People are not making things up for fun. It is real, It is harder, and it is undocumented.

Kohd1999

tinythinker wrote: »

Kohd1999 wrote: »

tinythinker wrote: »

OK, well, feel free to keep arguing but it is confirmed that the random boosts to VR mob difficulty were not intended and are being rolled back within 24 hours.

Sorry to interrupt, continue on with the debate over how hard the game should(n't) be and what a *real* player can(not) do at veteran rank.

Oh, and have a great weekend.

If you were talking to me, then I am at a loss.

Not aimed at anyone in particular on who is being argumentative, just letting folks who may have missed it know that the VR mob difficulty issue has been acknowledged/is being fixed. And my wishing folks a great weekend is also for everyone.

Still curious if this was a faction bug or what...because I saw little or no difference at all on DC on my NB. None of the guys I spoke to there did. The one video I saw of a DK trying to 'prove' the bug even existed was him running into a pack of mobs, hitting 2 buttons, and being surprised to die 20 seconds later. So yeah.

kirnmalidus

Zenimax has admitted in another thread that the difficulty increase in vet zones was an accident and will (hopefully) be fixed within 24 hours.

This patch was an unmitigated disaster across the board. Whoever is in charge of QA should be fired, and the whole PTS team should be wiped and re-recruited to find players that will actually evaluate patches for bugs and not just to find exploits and use them on live before they are patched.

Zxaxz

Of course it's harder, do you really want an easy, watch Game of Thrones, while you solo group mobs game?

Do you really have no strive to beat something hard? (Frack, not hard. Mildly harder)

Can you only see the end of the football game and not see the value of learning how to beat/master something (Training, planning, figuring out what you did wrong, what they did right and how to get better.)?

Must everything be so easy you can just dance though it? Bummer for you and those like you, your future is awfully dim.
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I fight every mob as if it's a PvP opponent, practicing rotation, berating myself when I *** a pull, etc. Most (NOT ALL) of you run through groups with your eyes closed spamming shield block and AoE's (random example) and you now die cause your spec, rotation and entire approach to CC and strategy in the game sucks and you fail.

You have been playing checkers in a chess game. They finally, after you all beg and complain about people solo'n dungeons and crap (See Youtube and the forums) and how everything is broke. They Update 1.1.2, let out the patch notes;

AND even before the patch went live the forums were crying about how hard it is, they did not fix every fracking broke thing all at once, they nerf's us into the Abyss, my class is dead now, RANTS. You can't even cope in a video game - before there is something to cope with - JUST ROFL

Peace out I am gonna go play my NB, and ROFLStomp you in PvP. Come to Wabba and do quest some
I'll see you before you see me.

Tannakaobi

I want to add to that:

To those who think the VR is too hard. VR = Veteran Rank.

Definitions:

Veteran: A person who has had long experience in a particular field. i.e. they are very good at it.

Rank: Give (someone or something) a rank or place within a grading system.

So to sum up, VR are for people that are very good. If this was not the case it would just be 50 - 60. So if you find VR too hard then you just ain't a vet, simples, roll an alt.

Huckdabuck

Zxaxz wrote: »

Do you really have no strive to beat something hard? (Frack, not hard. Mildly harder)quote]

If they did they wouldn't be just fighting Vet7-10 mobs....they would be soloing the dungeons, running through Craiglorn, or finding a pack of 20 Vet 10 players in PvP to 20V1. Afterall, anything else is just peanuts and shouldn't concern even the most basic and casual of players. STFU.

kirnmalidus

Zxaxz wrote: »

Of course it's harder, do you really want an easy, watch Game of Thrones, while you solo group mobs game?

Do you really have no strive to beat something hard? (Frack, not hard. Mildly harder)

Can you only see the end of the football game and not see the value of learning how to beat/master something (Training, planning, figuring out what you did wrong, what they did right and how to get better.)?

Must everything be so easy you can just dance though it? Bummer for you and those like you, your future is awfully dim.

I think what we have here is a "learn to read" issue ("l2r"). Please read before posting. Zenimax has acknowledged the difficulty increase was not intended. VR7 mobs are currently not difficult, they are basically impossible when you have to fight 3 or more.

RomedyMC

Hilgara wrote: »

lVet normal trash mobs have more health and do more damage than Craglone bosses.

I would be a lot more worried if you had posted a combat log with a 1-shot from a normal mob. (No, you did not make this claim, but I feel like I read it somewhere in this thread.) IF you experienced this: what was your armor rating? How damaged was it? Did you block? Was it a telegraphed heavy attack?

I am on the cusp of VR6 with my now-nerfed DK tank. I solo'd half of The Rift last night, including the Silmur fight which made be take all 234,000 health from him even with the shard of Wuuthrad.

Yes, the mobs have more hp. Yes, they hit a bit harder. Yes, I do a little less damage. If you follow the game mechanics like you always should have, you will have no problems.

If you are used to pulling 3-4 groups of mobs and AoE'ing them down solo ... I would first suggest you re-evaluate your strategy before bringing your whine and cheese here.

IMO 1.1.2, while certainly not perfect, balanced game combat in VR zones and made you actually think about your strategy. I know for a lot of people "thinkin" is the key word there...

VR difficulty is now working as intended, move along.

kirnmalidus

RomedyMC wrote: »

VR difficulty is now working as intended, move along.

No, it isn't. Zenimax has said so in two separate threads today. You can move along now, thanks.

alphawolph

For those that think it's to hard. Your right and they are fixing it.

Lord_Hev

Zxaxz wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

OR... They can balance the game properly, so that I'm not struggling against VR 1 bandit no-lives and skeevers, meanwhile I can solo a VR 4 World elite as a VR 2.


I do not need to L2p. Your idea is ignoring the issue. PvE is both solo & group content, and needs to be balanced equally for both. They also now need to fix the inadvertent buff that makes VR 7 - 10 trash more difficult than Craglorn mobs.


Somewhere in their busy schedule, maybe they can fix the Nightblade that they've butchered with SCIENCE!

Okay, in one post, You Kill V4 Bosses, can't kill V2 Skeevers or Bandits as a V2; And have fought in Craglorn and V7 thru V10 mobs, Since yesterday on your V2?


(Truth)______________________________________________________________^_(BS)

My meter almost broke....

Oh, all this, and IT'S Unplayable, and too hard for you?

And, Lord_Hev, is that an Oxymoron considering this conversation?

Stop distorting my words. I never said it was unplayable. I get by just fine with my Sorcerer that never had the same issues as the other poor Nightblades.


I can solo a VR 4 boss, yet I have to struggle against VR trash. I can imagine how this can be unplayable for people who can't normally solo a world elite. Unlike you, I actually take into account how other people play differently than me, and how they may be impacted by the difficulty I am experiencing.


Trash mobs with the name "bandit nobody" should never be threatening, unless they are a friggin 5-pack. I'm a hero of legend by the time I unlock VR content. I find this difficulty spike very silly.


It takes 3 Crystal Shards to kill a Skeever.


No-life bandits whom are utterly and irrevocably NOT IMPORTANT and will never be remembered, are fighting with the skills of Veteran Warriors whom survived a dozen tours of duty.


I'm all for challenge, but only when appropriate and when it makes sense. Only bosses and unique quest enemies should make me have to plan and act cautiously. Not having to fight trash no-lifes every minute while on the fringes of my life. It is un-immersive. It produces cookie-cutter builds. And it then leads to class nerfs.

DisIzMe

Tannakaobi wrote: »

I want to add to that:

To those who think the VR is too hard. VR = Veteran Rank.

Definitions:

Veteran: A person who has had long experience in a particular field. i.e. they are very good at it.

Rank: Give (someone or something) a rank or place within a grading system.

So to sum up, VR are for people that are very good. If this was not the case it would just be 50 - 60. So if you find VR too hard then you just ain't a vet, simples, roll an alt.

Veteran rank was
"A person who has had long experience in a particular field. i.e. they are very good at it."
"Give (someone or something) a rank or place within a grading system."
prior to 1.1.2 too. People leveled through those ranks,you know. All those vet10s that slaughter craghorn evil dudes,they played same old veteran content.
The thing is ,see, post 1.1.2, 1-10 veteran ranks became special forces rank,where mobs hit harder then in brand new vet11-vet12 areas.
I would leave it to you to find definitions for "special" and "forces" but i assume we both agree that it is not the same definitions as "veteran" and "rank" and therefore this uncalled for change should be ,well,changed back to old familiar veteran ranks we both cherished and enjoyed (well,sort of enjoyed. more like tolerated ,in my case).

Zxaxz

kirnmalidus wrote: »

Zxaxz wrote: »

Of course it's harder, do you really want an easy, watch Game of Thrones, while you solo group mobs game?

Do you really have no strive to beat something hard? (Frack, not hard. Mildly harder)

Can you only see the end of the football game and not see the value of learning how to beat/master something (Training, planning, figuring out what you did wrong, what they did right and how to get better.)?

Must everything be so easy you can just dance though it? Bummer for you and those like you, your future is awfully dim.

I think what we have here is a "learn to read" issue ("l2r"). Please read before posting. Zenimax has acknowledged the difficulty increase was not intended. VR7 mobs are currently not difficult, they are basically impossible when you have to fight 3 or more.

They are not, I solo them with ease, you can SOLO them, they are by no way, no means, no how, un-soloable. You are wrong, lying or just plain can't play your class. Period. Can you not watch my VIDEO proof of me a semi-maybe, good NB, soloing a V7, that's VET 7 Dungeon, all of the 3 and 4 mobs sets, INCLUDING Dimitri and his 2, (yes a 3 mob boss set) with 1 bar, on a NB; And still say they are impossible or even too hard.

Not only can it be done, but by an amateur like me. If they are dumbing down the game, it's cause of the weight of the WHAAAAAAAAAMMMBUUUULLLAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNCCCEEEEEEEEEE

from you all.

http://www.twitch.tv/iamepitaph/b/531230213 - 1hour after 1.1.2 patch L2P

Lord_Hev

Zxaxz wrote: »

http://www.twitch.tv/iamepitaph/b/531230213 - 1hour after 1.1.2 patch L2P

"Just because I can do it, anyone can do it." Yes, anyone could potentially utilize some of the godly VR group dungeon solo builds. Does everyone do it? No.


This is not how balance works. You want to keep a healthy game environment and people subbed, you make the game balanced for all play-styles, abilities, etc.