To those who think the game is too hard

MyForumName · May 2014

I personally hope they make it so hard that people cry in forums and in the zone chat. When many people are crying I'm usually happier because I know the game has some grit and isn't going to be weak like the younger generation seems to be. The sad irony is everyone that cries a day after a patch about difficulty are the same ones that will complain it's too easy 1-2 months from now. It's too predictable.

RomedyMC · May 2014

MyForumName wrote: »

I personally hope they make it so hard that people cry in forums and in the zone chat. When many people are crying I'm usually happier because I know the game has some grit and isn't going to be weak like the younger generation seems to be. The sad irony is everyone that cries a day after a patch about difficulty are the same ones that will complain it's too easy 1-2 months from now. It's too predictable.

They are already crying in zone chat.

@kirnmalidus - I find your opinions to be useless.

kirnmalidus · May 2014

RomedyMC wrote: »

@kirnmalidus - I find your opinions to be useless.

Super contribution to the discussion. Can you explain why you find them to be useless? Also, I haven't really posted many opinions in this thread per se, most of my posts have been pointing people towards comments from Zenimax in other threads that they have overlooked.

I find your entire post to be useless, so there's that.

MrBeatDown · May 2014

They need to nerf every single players dps to about 200 and just let the game ride from there. It will be fair and the playing field will be even.

they also need to nerf all mosters for pve game is too hard. Its op'

VagabondAngel · May 2014

MyForumName wrote: »

I personally hope they make it so hard that people cry in forums and in the zone chat. When many people are crying I'm usually happier because I know the game has some grit and isn't going to be weak like the younger generation seems to be. The sad irony is everyone that cries a day after a patch about difficulty are the same ones that will complain it's too easy 1-2 months from now. It's too predictable.

I didn't have time to cry before the tiger one-hit killed me with over 2500 health.

You're right though, a game should be that hard. So mind bogglingly hard that it becomes a full-time job just to learn what character to build and the strategy required to beat a solitary tiger in a Vet zone.

I feel enlightened.

My path to relaxation after a hard day is now more stressful than the day itself. I must be doing something wrong... I'd better, I don't know, say something idiotic on the internet so people can berate me for it.

AgriyaTheGrey · May 2014

"Calgrissom wrote: »

If your leveling so slow your doing something wrong...

Au contraire; while it is not unreasonable to wonder if the fast-levelling crowd aren't missing some of the flavour and nuance of the game, it is not reasonable for a fast-leveller to accuse players with a slower approach of 'playing wrong'. The slower player isn't asserting fast-levellers are 'playing wrong', only suggesting that they may be failing to fully appreciate & enjoy the game-setting, so retorting with this 'your (sic) doing it wrong' response suggests a significant lack of social skills.

Zxaxz · May 2014

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Zxaxz wrote: »

http://www.twitch.tv/iamepitaph/b/531230213 - 1hour after 1.1.2 patch L2P

"Just because I can do it, anyone can do it." Yes, anyone could potentially utilize some of the godly VR group dungeon solo builds. Does everyone do it? No.

This is not how balance works. You want to keep a healthy game environment and people subbed, you make the game balanced for all play-styles, abilities, etc.

OMG - LOOK AT MY BAR, its the most basic POSSIBLE Nightblade skills, every NB has them, or should. I only used one bar for every fight. This is no a God build, this is a level 5 build WTF is wrong with you people?

kirnmalidus · May 2014

Zxaxz wrote: »

OMG - LOOK AT MY BAR, its the most basic POSSIBLE Nightblade skills, every NB has them, or should. I only used one bar for every fight. This is no a God build, this is a level 5 build WTF is wrong with you people?

Are you saying you are only level 5? Because if that's true it would explain why you don't understand the issue here.

Halrloprillalar · May 2014

Kohd1999 wrote: »

nickster2112b16_ESO wrote: »

Vet 10 EP Full Purple pact Heavy set purple glyphs + yellow vet 10 sword/board and restro staff fighting a group of 2 Vet 7 mobs takes all of my magicka and stamina pools and leaves me with 200 or less hp thats not right groups of 3 are no chance.
this isnt a learn to play issue either ive been playing since feburary.

One from EP. Considering how easy PvE still is on DC, this has got to be an EP or AD bug.

Must be EP, because I see very small changes in VR5 (Rift) zone on my VR6 HE sorc.

Yes, the mobs have more hp (they were lower than in Shadowfen before, which is weird and wrong) and possibly do a bit more damage since I was pretty quickly killed by 3 packs when I didn't plan my pull properly or react in time

(thrown blade to the face = 700 damage non-crit, a little steep but I guess fair since melee mobs usually don't even get to say hi to me otherwise, I'll learn to dodge that *** next time).

Basically, what I see in VR5 is nothing to cry on the forums about... I haven't seen VR6 yet since I haven't finished the story quest - but what numbers are we actually talking about?

From my limited self-testing in EP (as AD):
VR1 - most mobs still at 2-2.5k hp (same as before)
VR5 - mobs were at 1.5-2.5k before, now around 2-3.5k depending on location.

Certainly not the 'sky is falling' change I hear people talk about? What is going on?

EDIT: post SS with actual numbers (via FTC addon or something that shows health bars and damage numbers) of what you are talking about because otherwise it's all subjective.

I wanna see these boss-like VR normal mobs people are talking about.

Zxaxz · May 2014

kirnmalidus wrote: »

Zxaxz wrote: »

OMG - LOOK AT MY BAR, its the most basic POSSIBLE Nightblade skills, every NB has them, or should. I only used one bar for every fight. This is no a God build, this is a level 5 build WTF is wrong with you people?

Are you saying you are only level 5? Because if that's true it would explain why you don't understand the issue here.

NO, wow. the reading comprehension in this world is negligible;

How the hell could I possibly post a video in this thread, showing me SOLO'n V7 dungeons and Bosses 1 hour after the patch, I exploited it?

I am V7 DW/Bow NB, soloing V7 Public dungeons and all the Single world bosses.
As in the Video...............

http://www.twitch.tv/iamepitaph/b/531230213

Hence why I say, all of the V7 content can be easily solo'd I did with skills you can get on your bar at level 5ish......

ZurinArctus · May 2014

Feel bad for those DC players who have all of these trolls to look forward to in Ebonheart Pact zones.

kirnmalidus · May 2014

Zxaxz wrote: »

kirnmalidus wrote: »

Zxaxz wrote: »

OMG - LOOK AT MY BAR, its the most basic POSSIBLE Nightblade skills, every NB has them, or should. I only used one bar for every fight. This is no a God build, this is a level 5 build WTF is wrong with you people?

Are you saying you are only level 5? Because if that's true it would explain why you don't understand the issue here.

NO, wow. the reading comprehension in this world is negligible;

How the hell could I possibly post a video in this thread, showing me SOLO'n V7 dungeons and Bosses 1 hour after the patch, I exploited it?

I am V7 DW/Bow NB, soloing V7 Public dungeons and all the Single world bosses.
As in the Video...............

http://www.twitch.tv/iamepitaph/b/531230213

Hence why I say, all of the V7 content can be easily solo'd I did with skills you can get on your bar at level 5ish......

Sorry, I was responding to your post which I quoted in which you referenced level 5. Obviously I wasn't clear on what you were saying as I asked a question about it. That doesn't really merit a response where you insult me.

Halrloprillalar · May 2014

ZurinArctus wrote: »

Feel bad for those DC players who have all of these trolls to look forward to in Ebonheart Pact zones.

Not terribly surprising, these trolls for AD (making them VR5, since it's our first 'sliver' alliance) have about 10k hp. Not fun, certainly. But they are single pulls and susceptible to all forms of CC. I think also (not confirmed) that burning effects (skills or weapon enchants) gimp their health regen, which is key if you don't want to take 10min to kill one.

michaelpatrickjonesnub18_ESO · May 2014

I like tough games. But the average person is not going to be happy when they see what Veteran Rank has in store for them.

The problem isn't how hard it suddenly became, the problem is their change of course and inconsistency. Really, who they are aiming to please? Because they need to make up their mind and run with it. If they want to advertise this as a challenging console game, then they'd better start doing that.

When this game was released the immediately nerfed Gutsripper. Now they want Vet NPC's to be tough as nailz.

Too many cooks...

Flip-flopping is going to cause them, and their player base, major grief.

ZurinArctus · May 2014

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

ZurinArctus wrote: »

Feel bad for those DC players who have all of these trolls to look forward to in Ebonheart Pact zones.

Not terribly surprising, these trolls for AD (making them VR5, since it's our first 'sliver' alliance) have about 10k hp. Not fun, certainly. But they are single pulls and susceptible to all forms of CC. I think also (not confirmed) that burning effects (skills or weapon enchants) gimp their health regen, which is key if you don't want to take 10min to kill one.

It's not just the health. Before patch they were sitting at 8k and did moderate damage. Now this patch they've almost doubled in health, their spell resistance and damage output got beefed as well.

Unless I'm maintaining distance rolling Dark Magic on a constant knockdown, I'm rekt.

kirnmalidus · May 2014

ZurinArctus wrote: »

It's not just the health. Before patch they were sitting at 8k and did moderate damage. Now this patch they've almost doubled in health, their spell resistance and damage output got beefed as well.

Unless I'm maintaining distance rolling Dark Magic on a constant knockdown, I'm rekt.

I've said this elsewhere and will add it here as well. I don't care if the health on the vet mobs goes up. That isn't the issue. The issue is the damage they deal also was increased to unmanageable levels. Skeevers are one-shotting tanks. There is no way that is intended.

You don't stand a chance of knocking down all of the health in a 15K troll mob if it can one shot you at any time. And we aren't talking about special attacks that telegraph and can be avoided here, regular light attacks are one-shotting people with 2-3k of health.

neueregel · May 2014

@nopressure - I agree completely. I like to loot. I loot kills, chests, and all items... When I do a quest with a group, it is always like a race to see who kills the next mob first... I have no idea, where I just was, or what I just did when I am done... I don't want to play that game... I am VR3 and I have played about 99% of my time solo... The part I like interaction with is trading... that is all.

Ser Lobo · May 2014

"To those who think the game is too hard ..."

Stop playing nightblades.

Zxaxz · May 2014

michaelpatrickjonesnub18_ESO wrote: »

I like tough games. But the average person is not going to be happy when they see what Veteran Rank has in store for them.

The problem isn't how hard it suddenly became, the problem is their change of course and inconsistency. Really, who they are aiming to please? Because they need to make up their mind and run with it. If they want to advertise this as a challenging console game, then they'd better start doing that.

When this game was released the immediately nerfed Gutsripper. Now they want Vet NPC's to be tough as nailz.

Too many cooks...

Flip-flopping is going to cause them, and their player base, major grief.

This is very true, no doubt about it.

Zxaxz · May 2014

kirnmalidus wrote: »

Zxaxz wrote: »

kirnmalidus wrote: »

Zxaxz wrote: »

OMG - LOOK AT MY BAR, its the most basic POSSIBLE Nightblade skills, every NB has them, or should. I only used one bar for every fight. This is no a God build, this is a level 5 build WTF is wrong with you people?

Are you saying you are only level 5? Because if that's true it would explain why you don't understand the issue here.

NO, wow. the reading comprehension in this world is negligible;

How the hell could I possibly post a video in this thread, showing me SOLO'n V7 dungeons and Bosses 1 hour after the patch, I exploited it?

I am V7 DW/Bow NB, soloing V7 Public dungeons and all the Single world bosses.
As in the Video...............

http://www.twitch.tv/iamepitaph/b/531230213

Hence why I say, all of the V7 content can be easily solo'd I did with skills you can get on your bar at level 5ish......

Sorry, I was responding to your post which I quoted in which you referenced level 5. Obviously I wasn't clear on what you were saying as I asked a question about it. That doesn't really merit a response where you insult me.

And yet, you mis-read one sentence, negated everything I said in four pages and suggest to me that at level 5, no wonder I don't know whats going on?

You did not re-read or comprehend anything else in 10+ posts? And, you don't think you insulted me?

Elvent · May 2014

Shta wrote: »

Just find people who agree with you or people who think that game is too much solo friendly, make a group, and do quests together.

Good suggestion except we can't in forced solo quests/dungeons/stories. Would be nice if they had the option to group for those things. People that like the challenge can just have the option to solo. People that play for fun and the story can have the option to group with a friend with similar interests.

I didn't need help with these things, the challenge was nice and all, I've died quite a bit and tried again until I downed the boss but I can see other people that don't play for a challenge but for fun and just being relaxed and having fun but instead are frustrated.

I see people all the time in chat complaining or on the forums, I wouldn't mind helping these people, it's better for the community too having these options of grouping with people and helping them.

I will always disagree with FORCED solo content in Massively Multiplayer Online Games, it just doesn't make sense to me, it should be optional, solo all you want or group all you want. I don't care if it's story or what it is, could always make it like SWTOR where the main person of the group stays the mains person story and the other person is just there as nothing except help.

kirnmalidus · May 2014

Zxaxz wrote: »

kirnmalidus wrote: »

Zxaxz wrote: »

kirnmalidus wrote: »

Zxaxz wrote: »

OMG - LOOK AT MY BAR, its the most basic POSSIBLE Nightblade skills, every NB has them, or should. I only used one bar for every fight. This is no a God build, this is a level 5 build WTF is wrong with you people?

Are you saying you are only level 5? Because if that's true it would explain why you don't understand the issue here.

NO, wow. the reading comprehension in this world is negligible;

How the hell could I possibly post a video in this thread, showing me SOLO'n V7 dungeons and Bosses 1 hour after the patch, I exploited it?

I am V7 DW/Bow NB, soloing V7 Public dungeons and all the Single world bosses.
As in the Video...............

http://www.twitch.tv/iamepitaph/b/531230213

Hence why I say, all of the V7 content can be easily solo'd I did with skills you can get on your bar at level 5ish......

Sorry, I was responding to your post which I quoted in which you referenced level 5. Obviously I wasn't clear on what you were saying as I asked a question about it. That doesn't really merit a response where you insult me.

And yet, you mis-read one sentence, negated everything I said in four pages and suggest to me that at level 5, no wonder I don't know whats going on?

You did not re-read or comprehend anything else in 10+ posts? And, you don't think you insulted me?

No, I don't. I asked a question. I don't see how a question can be interpreted as an insult.

twistedmonk · May 2014

actually, I wished we had a companion like skyrim or SWTOR.

because yes, I like the freedom of playing whenever and however i want as a solo player. if I want to collect resources or take a 15 minute break I can...but if I am in a duo/group I feel I am holding everybody up.

I do not enjoy the veteran leveling at all...even before this latest mess.

Shta · May 2014

OK, many people talk about solo, here i say two things:

First, regarding the problem of VR content there are no solo quest.

Second; regading main storyline and guild quest if some have problem the majority has not so the problem may not be the solo quest.
Personally i had sometime to redo fights adjust my tactic go full dps, full heal, with or without cc or even using invocation (wich i did very few times)