I'd like to point out that I've been running solo all day, and I've died about 10 times throughout the day to vicious death procs on people who happened to be around me or responded to the same attack.

8 DC taking Roe mine, four of us (I'm guessing the other three were solo as well) show up to take it back, two of them get 5-6 meteors between them and I died to one snipe, one hit from a mage guard, and two vicious death procs.

I even died once because I was on the wall at Ash, and five people in front of me got double-hit with cold-fire that I moved out of! Apparently siege damage can proc VD.

Players are now going to have to make an effort to stay far away from anyone who *might* not be good enough to dodge or block incoming damage in fear of the vicious death procs that could hit them.

This is dumb.

MrBM wrote: »

lol screw the QQers their faults for zergging and zergging and zergging and zergging.

@MrBM You want to blame people who run balled up, propose a solution. Most of them don't know how to play well on their own. Between the two 30-day campaigns on PC/NA, I have three toons in the top 10 of the leaderboard, where more than 90% of my AP was made playing alone or in a group of 2. My play is being affected because of others who end up in the same area and die to VD. There is something wrong with that.

Crown wrote: »

I'd like to point out that I've been running solo all day, and I've died about 10 times throughout the day to vicious death procs on people who happened to be around me or responded to the same attack.

8 DC taking Roe mine, four of us (I'm guessing the other three were solo as well) show up to take it back, two of them get 5-6 meteors between them and I died to one snipe, one hit from a mage guard, and two vicious death procs.

I even died once because I was on the wall at Ash, and five people in front of me got double-hit with cold-fire that I moved out of! Apparently siege damage can proc VD.

Players are now going to have to make an effort to stay far away from anyone who *might* not be good enough to dodge or block incoming damage in fear of the vicious death procs that could hit them.

This is dumb.

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MrBM wrote: »

lol screw the QQers their faults for zergging and zergging and zergging and zergging.

@MrBM You want to blame people who run balled up, propose a solution. Most of them don't know how to play well on their own. Between the two 30-day campaigns on PC/NA, I have three toons in the top 10 of the leaderboard, where more than 90% of my AP was made playing alone or in a group of 2. My play is being affected because of others who end up in the same area and die to VD. There is something wrong with that.

I've been saying this would happen for the past month.

I predict 2 to 3 months before it gets the Nerf Bat.

I'm just saying

First day of vicious pvp - tons of kills with that set. Haven´t died to it once.

Seems to be doing what it´s supposed to.

While maxed magicka/proxy det/meteor/VD is certainly powerful it's about as cheesy and skill free as any blob.

I predict that people will have a lot of fun with it for a short while (and rightly so) and then all but those who live for the easy win will get bored by it and seek something else to do with their game time. If I had to bet I reckon that this will not have a positive impact on PvP long term.

@Crown Your absolutely right. I spent 95% of my in game time in PVP by myself or in a group of no more then 3 total including myself.

This Vicious Death nonsense was the single most stupidest decision in the history of this game by ZOS.

As you know, I was the one of the biggest voices on here advocating for some buffs to siege weapons for 2 reasons:

1. To fight zergs
2. To ensure outnumbered keep defenses were not an act of futility.

The changes in siege have accomplished that mission.Keep fights are actually fun now with that and the new Forward Camps..well were(more on that later)

Due to AOE caps these sets punish small group players far more then it punishes zergs. Just wait till all these zergs are running Vicious Death too in about a week....folks won't think its so great anymore.

Im just glad i don't have to deal with this nonsense anymore because i sure am not paying for it. All they had to do was remove AOE caps, instead they give everyone a buffed version of Proxy Det and a set that blows everything up, and leaving AOE caps in place so the zergs will still take half damage and all the small groups of 6 or less are punished by both of these additions.

Its baffling how they can continue to do this. Proxy Det + Vicious Death ensures 1 person can one shot a 5 man small group, and also ensures large groups will be unkillable waves of destruction once everyone has Vicious...just wait till you see that 24 man VE raid all wearing VD and Proxy Det come knocking on your door and steam roll you like an Italian Bulldozer...you won't think itst is so great then....VD in the hands of an organized Guild like VE is just going to equal lolz.

Its unreal how well thought out this really was lol. Im just glad im no longer paying for this nonsense.

VD also unfairly penalizes class that require melee range and/or don't have escape mechanisms, aka DKs and Templars.

Ishammael wrote: »

VD also unfairly penalizes class that require melee range and/or don't have escape mechanisms, aka DKs and Templars.

Yup, wasn't well thought out at all, but hey you got that buff to Burning Embers! and Chains gives back magicka now!

Lava_Croft wrote: »

It seems Vicious Death procs are broken. I fight outnumbered, by myself, yet get killed by Vicious Death procs?

What?

To clarify: Fight by myself versus two enemies, one of which wearing Vicious Death. For some reason, the set procs even though I am the only one around.

Or not... See: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2788141/#Comment_2788141

VD is acting as an execute, it hits before the person is actually dead. So you are taking damage from VD even if you are the only person in the fight, that is what I have seen. I have had VD hit followed by the endless fury for a total of 10k, how that happens I don't know. Something does seem wrong. I don't know at what % the VD hits at.

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Lava_Croft wrote: »

It seems Vicious Death procs are broken. I fight outnumbered, by myself, yet get killed by Vicious Death procs?

What?

To clarify: Fight by myself versus two enemies, one of which wearing Vicious Death. For some reason, the set procs even though I am the only one around.

Or not... See: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2788141/#Comment_2788141

VD is acting as an execute, it hits before the person is actually dead. So you are taking damage from VD even if you are the only person in the fight, that is what I have seen. I have had VD hit followed by the endless fury for a total of 10k, how that happens I don't know. Something does seem wrong. I don't know at what % the VD hits at.

Wrong.
It procs if your attack would have killed the enemy.
As example:
Enemy got 5k health left and I use a concealed weapon which would deal 6k.
Vicious death procs and both VD and concealed will deal the dmg at the same time to you.

You´d have died anyway.. all it does is confusing you by being visible in the recap/combat log.

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BigMac_Smiley wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

It seems Vicious Death procs are broken. I fight outnumbered, by myself, yet get killed by Vicious Death procs?

What?

To clarify: Fight by myself versus two enemies, one of which wearing Vicious Death. For some reason, the set procs even though I am the only one around.

Or not... See: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2788141/#Comment_2788141

VD is acting as an execute, it hits before the person is actually dead. So you are taking damage from VD even if you are the only person in the fight, that is what I have seen. I have had VD hit followed by the endless fury for a total of 10k, how that happens I don't know. Something does seem wrong. I don't know at what % the VD hits at.

Wrong.
It procs if your attack would have killed the enemy.
As example:
Enemy got 5k health left and I use a concealed weapon which would deal 6k.
Vicious death procs and both VD and concealed will deal the dmg at the same time to you.

You´d have died anyway.. all it does is confusing you by being visible in the recap/combat log.

That's what I've been trying to say. As soon as we noticed the way the death recap works on PTS, we knew ppl would be all over the forums about it.

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GRxKnight wrote: »

Yeah I'm a bit confused as to why I'm seeing VD proc damage on lui when i kill someone even though there's no other enemy player around

That's another aspect of how VD interfaces with the UI. Combat log addons that record your damage done will list the VD explosion on someone you killing blow as damage done to that person at the same time as your killing blow. From what we tested on PTS, this 'damage' was just the person's body exploding in a VD proc. It's also what show's up in their death recap, but it does no damage to them, because they are already dead.

I think it's a residual effect of the way VD is coded. A VD explosion killing someone cannot itself proc another VD explosion in a chain reaction. Only a killing blow landed by some other skill/set bonus/siege can proc a VD explosion. So I'm guessing that this whole VD explosion proc being treated as 'dmg done' to the person you killed who proced a VD by the UI is a way for the code to differentiate the VD proc from something that is allowed to proc another VD proc.

Interesting theory as to why you cant chain reaction...it would make it easy to determine whether or not you get a VD proc or not when you kill multiples