Toppling Charge - Bug

eliisra · December 2015

I'm really feeling like just giving up at this point.

Our gap closer, crucial for any magicka build solo and PvP, is so bugged that slotting it means 50% risk of dying. I'm stuck in one spot doing that animation over and over without actually moving, like all other templars. Yet we're suppose wait until next year before it's fixed.

Than they somehow find time to nerf Blazing Spear right now, a low dmg AoE ability used by the class with the lowest dps in game game. They do so without even a word. Being this neglectful and arrogant towards the last sliver of templar player base, is just outrageous.

cazlonb16_ESO · December 2015

eliisra wrote: »

I'm really feeling like just giving up at this point.

Our gap closer, crucial for any magicka build solo and PvP, is so bugged that slotting it means 50% risk of dying. I'm stuck in one spot doing that animation over and over without actually moving, like all other templars. Yet we're suppose wait until next year before it's fixed.

Than they somehow find time to nerf Blazing Spear right now, a low dmg AoE ability used by the class with the lowest dps in game game. They do so without even a word. Being this neglectful and arrogant towards the last sliver of templar player base, is just outrageous.

Healbot or gtfo. Not Gina's fault though.

tengri · December 2015

Oh, well... Q1, 16 it is then. Attempt... 5? 8? 10? to fix the charge.
Wait, what was that about the monkeys, typewriters and Shakespeare? Damn, cant remember now. Probably nothing important.
Anyways, at least that's one less suit I have to farm mats for before Xmas.
Thank you. I guess. So glad you guys are on the case...

RAGUNAnoOne · December 2015

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Sorry for the delay, guys! We have a fix going into the Thieves Guild DLC for Toppling Charge so you won't become locked after using this ability.

@ZOS_GinaBruno People shouldn't have to wait for a damn DLC to get essential bugfixes, get some lessons in common sense and throw your fix into the next regular patch.

Springt-Über-Zwerge · December 2015

@ZOS_GinaBruno may we have an answer to the issues I posted?
We Templars really need to know if you are working on improving and fixing our issues because some of them are gamebreaking.
We love our class but I wont be playing eso until you comment on these issues. You are going to miss a lot of money because I bet Im not the only one ...

Docmandu · December 2015

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Sorry for the delay, guys! We have a fix going into the Thieves Guild DLC for Toppling Charge so you won't become locked after using this ability.

O.o -- here's me hoping you break Ambush with that DLC and that they have to wait until the next DLC to get it fixed.

Springt-Über-Zwerge · December 2015

Docmandu wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Sorry for the delay, guys! We have a fix going into the Thieves Guild DLC for Toppling Charge so you won't become locked after using this ability.

O.o -- here's me hoping you break Ambush with that DLC and that they have to wait until the next DLC to get it fixed.

Its already broke just unlike Toppling charge in favor of the user

RAGUNAnoOne · December 2015

Docmandu wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Sorry for the delay, guys! We have a fix going into the Thieves Guild DLC for Toppling Charge so you won't become locked after using this ability.

O.o -- here's me hoping you break Ambush with that DLC and that they have to wait until the next DLC to get it fixed.

I bet if they break that or any other NB or Sorc move it would somehow get fixed ASAP like 3 days later.

Fuzzybrick · December 2015

OHhh! That's why my abilities won't work. Good to know. I couldn't figure out why randomly I couldn't cast anything. I figured you guys were talking about how toppling charge would just randomly not want to cast even as I got closer to the enemy to the point of standing on top of them.

tinythinker · December 2015

Just to add: I hadn't used Explosive Charge, the other morph of Focused Charge, since I was leveling a Templar in PvE in spring 14. For fun I decided to try it again for PvP even though Toppling is the preferred morph for Cyro. And wow. About 30-40% of the time I would here the sound effect but that was it. The ability didn't actually go off. Really seems like the whole ability is wonky not just one morph.

zornyan · December 2015

@ZOS_GinaBruno any comment on the other issues posted in this thread?

Imdrefan · December 2015

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Sorry for the delay, guys! We have a fix going into the Thieves Guild DLC for Toppling Charge so you won't become locked after using this ability.

@ZOS_GinaBruno People shouldn't have to wait for a damn DLC to get essential bugfixes, get some lessons in common sense and throw your fix into the next regular patch.

Shame on you. You should be polite to @ZOS_GinaBruno , she is an advocate for us, she doesn't do the bug fixes.

We are all frustrated, but that doesn't mean you can be disrespectful.

Waffennacht · December 2015

Imdrefan wrote: »

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Sorry for the delay, guys! We have a fix going into the Thieves Guild DLC for Toppling Charge so you won't become locked after using this ability.

@ZOS_GinaBruno People shouldn't have to wait for a damn DLC to get essential bugfixes, get some lessons in common sense and throw your fix into the next regular patch.

Shame on you. You should be polite to @ZOS_GinaBruno , she is an advocate for us, she doesn't do the bug fixes.

We are all frustrated, but that doesn't mean you can be disrespectful.

I agree, we can't be bashing them when they do what we've asked for. Many topics beg for just an acknowledgement from someone. Just because the answer wasnt what we wanted to hear, we need to encourage the participation from the team.

Thank you @ZOS_GinaBruno I speak for several, and we appreciate the effort.

Essiaga · December 2015

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Sorry for the delay, guys! We have a fix going into the Thieves Guild DLC for Toppling Charge so you won't become locked after using this ability.

First off THANK YOU FOR RESPONDING!!!

Why so long? I mean for the fix ... but also for response. If you "have a fix" then give it to us now, or Monday. You fix things that work too well but stuff that ruins the gaming experience waits for a month or 2. I almost want to demand that you break an equally important skill to all other classes so that we're at least all in the same boat.

What about the several other bugged/broken Templar skills?

Edited because i see there was response and also somthing i'm not sure why it was even there.

MormondPayne_EP · December 2015

Imdrefan wrote: »

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Sorry for the delay, guys! We have a fix going into the Thieves Guild DLC for Toppling Charge so you won't become locked after using this ability.

@ZOS_GinaBruno People shouldn't have to wait for a damn DLC to get essential bugfixes, get some lessons in common sense and throw your fix into the next regular patch.

Shame on you. You should be polite to @ZOS_GinaBruno , she is an advocate for us, she doesn't do the bug fixes.

We are all frustrated, but that doesn't mean you can be disrespectful.

No, the representatives of the FORUMS which are here to discuss these actual things are there to bear the brunt of frustrations caused by the ineptitude of the developers/coders.

On an unrelated matter, I had to submit 9 TICKETS before I got one response about changing my email address! That is a terrible indictment of this shambles of a game but it shows that there is a SYSTEMIC issue with ZOS altogether.

The death throes have begun.

MormondPayne_EP · December 2015

Waffennacht wrote: »

Imdrefan wrote: »

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Sorry for the delay, guys! We have a fix going into the Thieves Guild DLC for Toppling Charge so you won't become locked after using this ability.

@ZOS_GinaBruno People shouldn't have to wait for a damn DLC to get essential bugfixes, get some lessons in common sense and throw your fix into the next regular patch.

Shame on you. You should be polite to @ZOS_GinaBruno , she is an advocate for us, she doesn't do the bug fixes.

We are all frustrated, but that doesn't mean you can be disrespectful.

I agree, we can't be bashing them when they do what we've asked for. Many topics beg for just an acknowledgement from someone. Just because the answer wasnt what we wanted to hear, we need to encourage the participation from the team.

Thank you @ZOS_GinaBruno I speak for several, and we appreciate the effort.

You don't speak for me nor a lot of others, I do not accept the token garbage messages that a put here...

A BUG FIX HAS TO WAIT FOR THE NEXT DLC?!?!?!

On what planet is that acceptable. It shows EXACTLY where the focus is of this company. This is TERRIBLE and you all need to stop kissing ass so much and call them out for this awful service.

Springt-Über-Zwerge · December 2015

@ZOS_GinaBruno soooo how about an answer?

Hektik_V · December 2015

@ZOS_GinaBruno

The next major update is entirely too long to wait for fixes for skills. Broken and imbalanced mechanics need to be addressed quickly in an MMO. Leaving things such as nirnhoned and wall of elements/purge bug in the game for so long creates flavor of the month (4 months) builds. Quicker and more frequent re-balancing makes for an overall more happy player base as no one is considerably weaker for months at a time.

Springt-Über-Zwerge · December 2015

@ZOS_GinaBruno
I will be linking you here and go onto your nerves until you comment or ban me from the forums but then at least I died for the greater good of all Templar players.

Its okay if you dont have fixes for these problems just let us know that you know there are issues you have to look into like you do with a lot of other problems on the forum.

Communication is the key to keep players in the game you know? You did a good forst step by commenting on this discussion but all these other templar problems are comepletely ignored.

But seriously when you have a fix for toppling charge put it into the game asap because its not a minor bug its gamebreaking for a whole class! Dont wait until thieves guild with that its too important.

Essiaga · December 2015

@ZOS_GinaBruno When will the next major update actually be? Q1 is Jan, Feb, or March ... that could be up to 4 months away inaddition to the month of December which is simply to long we should have to wait for such a game breaking fix to an entire class.

Also when willthis AND OTHER FIXES to Templar hit PTS?

I would rather play with a character that works then gain progression on characters that don't.

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno is there also a fix for these bugs and completely useless abilities?

1. No 140% bonus on shields for jabs
2. Last hit of Jabs somtimes doesnt even hit
3. no execute damage for Jesus beam
4. Radiant sweep not hitting anything at all (also 5m radius for an ultimade is ridiculous)
5. eclipse bug
6. global cooldown on toppling charge
7. completely useless sun shield
8. completely useless backlash due to cap not scaling with spell/weapondamage
9. completely useless eclipse thanks to unnessesary nerf to 1 taget
10. completely useless rite of passage thanks to barrier being 100 times better
11. completely useless healing ritual
12. completely useless radiant aura thanks to potion buffs
13. why is sun fire doing firedamage as only templar skill which forces me to either not use the skill because its crap since its missing the 25% from thaumaturge or put points in elemetal expert and weakening all my other abilities

Now to passives:

1. way lower proc chance of burning light than 25%
2. ballanced warrior being everything else than ballanced (missing spelldamage)
3. enduring rays lowering templar dps (backlash)
4. light weaver being completely useless thanks to rite of passage and healing ritual being useless
5. master ritualist soulgem return bugged
6. missing ressource sustain for Templars in the passives 4% is laughable (sorcs for excample have 5% plus 15% ult cost reduction plus 20% magicka and stam regen)

And why on earth would you double nerf blazing spear I cant see any logic in nerfing the dps of the class with the lowest dps

also give us back a good aoe CC like blinding flashes

Is there a Templar representative at ZOS that heads the class that might be available to acknowledge and perhaps shed some light on these issues as well as well as maybe some discussion on recommended changes.

I would also be beneficial to have class forums ... this might cut down on the multiple postings of the same issue and make it easier for ZOS to follow 1 thread on a topic , etc. rather then chaos we have now that only adds to the frustration.

WillhelmBlack · December 2015

I posted a video that shows all the highs and lows of Templar PvP. I feel like I'm the only one out there atm. It definitely feels like the class skills not functioning properly are holding me back. Broke toppling charge (especially bad in lag), main DPS skill doesn't scratch damage shields I wouldn't mind if I didn't have 3000+ spell damage, execute is invisible most times, doesn't actually execute or misses and gets stuck to dead bodies. Channeled focus doesn't feel like it's giving me Magicka back for 8 seconds when outside of it anymore but I could be wrong. Blazing spear nerfed! God knows why!

I still love playing Templar, it's my favourite but when I jump on my Nightblade and even in lag my kill/death ratio triples it suggests something is not right. 50% of my time in ESO is in lag. Templar's seem to be the most affected by it, skill bars lock up more etc also the battle levelling system doesn't favour us either.

At least we have someone from ZOS acknowledging Toppling Charge is bugged. The rest needs tlc as well though!

Fellow Templar's watch the video. It's not just you! (In 1.6 I would have smashed most of these players!)

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/233975/nerf-templar-pvp-video#latest

ZOS_GinaBruno · December 2015

We don't have a date for the next DLC update yet. As for the list of other bugs mentioned, we can look into it next week but please make a separate thread. This one is specifically for Toppling Charge and needs to stay on topic. Also, at first glance, we will likely need more information for many of these points. Simply saying Sun Shield is useless isn't giving us much to go off. Is it broken? If so, in what way? Do you have feedback about what you think would make it better? Is there a reason why you aren't using it?

WillhelmBlack · December 2015

I'm sure someone will link you up, Gina.

This sums up Magicka Templar perfectly!

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/227012/my-take-on-templars/p1

AfkNinja · December 2015

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We don't have a date for the next DLC update yet. As for the list of other bugs mentioned, we can look into it next week but please make a separate thread. This one is specifically for Toppling Charge and needs to stay on topic. Also, at first glance, we will likely need more information for many of these points. Simply saying Sun Shield is useless isn't giving us much to go off. Is it broken? If so, in what way? Do you have feedback about what you think would make it better? Is there a reason why you aren't using it?

We don't use it because stacking HP to make it work results in a MASSIVE damage loss and an overall MUCH MUCH weaker build. In PVP sunshield isn't even big enough to absorb one attack....soo....useless.

tinythinker · December 2015

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We don't have a date for the next DLC update yet. As for the list of other bugs mentioned, we can look into it next week but please make a separate thread. This one is specifically for Toppling Charge and needs to stay on topic. Also, at first glance, we will likely need more information for many of these points. Simply saying Sun Shield is useless isn't giving us much to go off. Is it broken? If so, in what way? Do you have feedback about what you think would make it better? Is there a reason why you aren't using it?

Should we use the dev discussion thread for templars or start a whole new thread?

ZOS_GinaBruno · December 2015

tinythinker wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We don't have a date for the next DLC update yet. As for the list of other bugs mentioned, we can look into it next week but please make a separate thread. This one is specifically for Toppling Charge and needs to stay on topic. Also, at first glance, we will likely need more information for many of these points. Simply saying Sun Shield is useless isn't giving us much to go off. Is it broken? If so, in what way? Do you have feedback about what you think would make it better? Is there a reason why you aren't using it?

Should we use the dev discussion thread for templars or start a whole new thread?

You can just start a new thread. Thanks!

rokrdt05 · December 2015

I do appreciate the response from @ZOS_GinaBruno , however I do agree with many of the users here that it should be fixed way before next DLC.

I know you guys have the ability to do it. For example, Refreshing Path was able to be fixed the very next day after it was broken. Many of the other DoT's that were hitting harder than intended were also fixed at the next incremental patch, which tells me the capability is there.

This is a crippling bug to the Templar class and affects game play for all Templars and not just a few. This is especially true when trying to be competitive in pvp or vma.

tinythinker · December 2015

rokrdt05 wrote: »

I do appreciate the response from @ZOS_GinaBruno , however I do agree with many of the users here that it should be fixed way before next DLC.

I know you guys have the ability to do it. For example, Refreshing Path was able to be fixed the very next day after it was broken. Many of the other DoT's that were hitting harder than intended were also fixed at the next incremental patch, which tells me the capability is there.

This is a crippling bug to the Templar class and affects game play for all Templars and not just a few. This is especially true when trying to be competitive in pvp or vma.

I also appreciate the response. She and her team have been in over-drive lately. Might need to rez that "Gina appreciation thread".

AfkNinja · December 2015

Start adding Templar issues, we will not let them ignore Templar again for this next re-balancing patch. http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/234362/templar-issues-thread#latest

zornyan · December 2015

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

tinythinker wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We don't have a date for the next DLC update yet. As for the list of other bugs mentioned, we can look into it next week but please make a separate thread. This one is specifically for Toppling Charge and needs to stay on topic. Also, at first glance, we will likely need more information for many of these points. Simply saying Sun Shield is useless isn't giving us much to go off. Is it broken? If so, in what way? Do you have feedback about what you think would make it better? Is there a reason why you aren't using it?

Should we use the dev discussion thread for templars or start a whole new thread?

You can just start a new thread. Thanks!

Gina I've created a thread solely for puncturing sweeps issues, can you please please please go have a look at the issues and jeep an eye on it.