driosketch wrote: »

This thread hurts my head.

Okay which of these is correct?

Person A buys ESO disk, ZOS Account A is created and tied to XBL/PSN account A:

_Person B gets on Person A's console, but signs into XBL/PSN account B, can not access ESO on that console.

_Person B gets on Person A's console, but signs into XBL/PSN account B, can play on that console so long as a second purchased game is linked to ZOS Account B.

_Person B gets on Person A's console, but signs into XBL/PSN account B, creates ZOS account B, but can only play on Console A.

_Person B gets on Person A's console, but signs into XBL/PSN account B, creates ZOS account B, but can play ESO now on Console A and home Console B, no second purchase needed.

_Person A gives disk to Person B, Person B logs into Console B on XBL/PSN account B, must buy game to create ZOS Account B.

_Person A gives disk to Person B, Person B logs into Console B on XBL/PSN account B, creates ZOS Account B and plays. No second purchase.

My head hurts after reading all. Not sure what is different about the rules between the XB1 and PS4 but they seem to have the same final result. I don't see anything different between the two in this area. These rules apply for the PS4 since Smurf did XB1, it looks to be the same all except FF14.

Everyone has access to each game purchased on the console regardless.
If one of the IDs on the console have a Plus account all the accounts also have access to online multiplayer and the plus titles.

My "primary console" is at my sisters house and since I'm a plus member she has access to everything, along with any number of users as long as they are using the primary console. I don't have to be there or signed in.

So while she is playing online on her ID thanks to that console being my primary. I can play online using my ID anywhere I want with access to all my content which is usually at home on what I would call my secondary console. Also she plays my digital purchased games on her console because its registered as my primary, games like FC4, Unity, COD, etc and I can play my digital games at the same time at my home with my secondary PS4, we can even co-op in FC4 or any other digital game I own or plus title. In a sense buying digital on console grants you 2 copies on the game. One copy always being granted access on the primary console and the other copy being tied to my account which I can play on any console. Buying games digitally on PS3 basically granted you 5 copies of the game I'm told.

Edit: Hope I explained that right its kinda early here. Hopefully the rental from gamefly works as I know people who use that service to try out games and then decide after if its worth the purchase.

I think there are problems unique to MMO's (bots, gold sellers, economy, etc.) that make the idea of used/shared/borrowed games very dangerous. It would give scammers and spammers an easy opportunity to get lots and lots of characters into the game with little to no cost. Other console games are weighing people wanting to abuse the system to play for free versus the convenience of paying customers. But in MMO's, it is not really that some people might get away with playing for free, which you could write off as an unavoidable cost of doing business. They impact the developers bottom line, but that is about it. In an MMO, those players abusing the system are not so much freeloaders as bots and gold spammers who can utterly ruin the play experience of your paying customers. They can actually affect the core game experience itself in a negative way, which is not really the case in games like COD, Halo, Skyrim, etc.

oehk wrote: »

ZOS_GaryA wrote: »

Hey there folks,

To clarify, you will need a unique game registration code in order to play the game, and used copies will not be eligible to receive a key if the code has already been redeemed.

It works the same way as the PC version in that the code included in the box is to activate your ESOTU account and the discs are for installation purposes. If you own the disc but don't have a key, you'll be able to install the game and reach the login screen, but you won't be able to log in and access the game without an active ESOTU account.

So this makes it sound like it varies from the way all other games work on the XBox One. (ie the home console setting)

Will you be providing a way to purchase a key only, for those households that have 1 XBox One and 4 gamers? No other game on the XB1 has restricted it this way. This does not sound promising.

Please elaborate more @ZOS_GaryA

Unless they intend to give console players perks PC players don't, you need ONE account for EVERY PLAYER. Account sharing is not allowed.

If ZOS DO allow console p[layers to share accounts in the way you're describing the damned well better let PC players do the same!

driosketch wrote: »

So the two above replies seem to point to scenario 3 being how it works, but from GaryA's post it sounds more like scenario 2. (And of course scenario 5.)

yeah the only console game I know of that did the same last gen or current gen is FF14. Didn't phase me much other than it was odd, I just bought more than one copy. FF14 was my 1st MMO so I figured it was the norm and along with why I can't lend/trade it in. Since playing other console MMOs its still the only one like that...well until ESO releases.

@ZOS_GaryA
Thank you for responding with a clear answer, I sent you a PM, I hope you'll read it.
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Powtreeman wrote: »

Zazaaji wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

I strongly suspect that it needs the key, because that's how they determine that the specific account is authorized to play the game. Otherwise you could have a dozen people living in the same house all playing on their own accounts using the same physical copy of the game.

You make a good point, but this is something that really needs ZoS confirmation, as I'm sure that without it people will buy it or worse, rent it from gamefly (https://www.gamefly.com/#!/game/The-Elder-Scrolls-Online-Tamriel-Unlimited/5007274) without knowing it'll be unplayable.

The link to gamefly you posted is to buy the game from them. Not rent it. Im sure they know they cant rent it out.

See where it says "START FREE TRIAL" for you?
That turns into "RENT COMING 6/9/2015" if you have an account and are signed in.

I'll make a point of that in the OP too.
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c.p.garrett1993_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_GaryA wrote: »

Hey there folks,

To clarify, you will need a unique game registration code in order to play the game, and used copies will not be eligible to receive a key if the code has already been redeemed.

It works the same way as the PC version in that the code included in the box is to activate your ESOTU account and the discs are for installation purposes. If you own the disc but don't have a key, you'll be able to install the game and reach the login screen, but you won't be able to log in and access the game without an active ESOTU account.

@ZOS_GaryA
So how will this work for rentals? How much will the keys be? Will you need to the disk to play if you purchased a key? With all due respect, it seems like a pretty bad idea to have this work differently than over 90% of console games and not have this clearly explained anywhere.
I hope this is posted on the box and that the proper measures are being taken to protect people who buy/ rent from legitimate companies.

I've already been contacting GaryA over PM's about spreading the word of this to Gamefly, Gamestop, and other rental/used sellers to not rent or sell this game used. I threw in the idea of maybe having IGN and other big name video game websites publish an article about this requirement, to mass spread the word in a very quick way. He told me that the moment the thread was made it was seen as a potential issue and forwarded to the right higher up people to hopefully fix it.

Either way, I hope something will be done so that this is wide spread/common knowledge before the game releases, else I really do think a lot of people will get messed out of their money for renting it or buying it preowned.
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Zazaaji wrote: »

c.p.garrett1993_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_GaryA wrote: »

Hey there folks,

To clarify, you will need a unique game registration code in order to play the game, and used copies will not be eligible to receive a key if the code has already been redeemed.

It works the same way as the PC version in that the code included in the box is to activate your ESOTU account and the discs are for installation purposes. If you own the disc but don't have a key, you'll be able to install the game and reach the login screen, but you won't be able to log in and access the game without an active ESOTU account.

@ZOS_GaryA
So how will this work for rentals? How much will the keys be? Will you need to the disk to play if you purchased a key? With all due respect, it seems like a pretty bad idea to have this work differently than over 90% of console games and not have this clearly explained anywhere.
I hope this is posted on the box and that the proper measures are being taken to protect people who buy/ rent from legitimate companies.

I've already been contacting GaryA over PM's about spreading the word of this to Gamefly, Gamestop, and other rental/used sellers to not rent or sell this game used. I threw in the idea of maybe having IGN and other big name video game websites publish an article about this requirement, to mass spread the word in a very quick way. He told me that the moment the thread was made it was seen as a potential issue and forwarded to the right higher up people to hopefully fix it.

Either way, I hope something will be done so that this is wide spread/common knowledge before the game releases, else I really do think a lot of people will get messed out of their money for renting it or buying it preowned.
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In the PC world, it's been common knowledge for over 10 years. I'm sorry to hear it wasn't know by the console community. The more that consoles become PC-like, they more of this you will see. In which case, places like Gamestop will eventually cease to exist.

FYI, Gamestop is well aware of how games like this work. There's no need to notify them...

c.p.garrett1993_ESO wrote: »

nastuug wrote: »

Zazaaji wrote: »

c.p.garrett1993_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_GaryA wrote: »

Hey there folks,

To clarify, you will need a unique game registration code in order to play the game, and used copies will not be eligible to receive a key if the code has already been redeemed.

It works the same way as the PC version in that the code included in the box is to activate your ESOTU account and the discs are for installation purposes. If you own the disc but don't have a key, you'll be able to install the game and reach the login screen, but you won't be able to log in and access the game without an active ESOTU account.

@ZOS_GaryA
So how will this work for rentals? How much will the keys be? Will you need to the disk to play if you purchased a key? With all due respect, it seems like a pretty bad idea to have this work differently than over 90% of console games and not have this clearly explained anywhere.
I hope this is posted on the box and that the proper measures are being taken to protect people who buy/ rent from legitimate companies.

I've already been contacting GaryA over PM's about spreading the word of this to Gamefly, Gamestop, and other rental/used sellers to not rent or sell this game used. I threw in the idea of maybe having IGN and other big name video game websites publish an article about this requirement, to mass spread the word in a very quick way. He told me that the moment the thread was made it was seen as a potential issue and forwarded to the right higher up people to hopefully fix it.

Either way, I hope something will be done so that this is wide spread/common knowledge before the game releases, else I really do think a lot of people will get messed out of their money for renting it or buying it preowned.
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In the PC world, it's been common knowledge for over 10 years. I'm sorry to hear it wasn't know by the console community. The more that consoles become PC-like, they more of this you will see. In which case, places like Gamestop will eventually cease to exist.

FYI, Gamestop is well aware of how games like this work. There's no need to notify them...

In the PC world, yes.
Console games that require a key are few and far between. Those few who have implemented this generally only have it for a portion of the game, such as the online multiplayer, and those generally are removed in the sequels due to the lack of popularity.
Console gaming is, and always has been, very social in nature.
"Hey have you played Halo 3 yet?"
"No, I haven't, is it any good?"
"Well, I already finished it so you can borrow it."
"Thanks!"
This model has proved very effective and helps boost sales, as the person borrowing the game will be more inclined to purchase something they have already tried.

The console players will likely be very upset over this, even if it is spread in enough time.
I, personally, never understood why PC games kept this model. It makes sense for digital copies of the game but ultimately hurts the sales for physical copies.

It will happen for sure. Most PC games run through Steam, Origin, Ubiderp, etc. Over time, consoles will be no different.

Revenue my dear boy, revenue. Gamestop is making a killing by reselling old/used games. Pay someone $3.00 for a game, sell it for $15.00, and pay publisher zero.

Danikat wrote: »

c.p.garrett1993_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_GaryA wrote: »

Hey there folks,

To clarify, you will need a unique game registration code in order to play the game, and used copies will not be eligible to receive a key if the code has already been redeemed.

It works the same way as the PC version in that the code included in the box is to activate your ESOTU account and the discs are for installation purposes. If you own the disc but don't have a key, you'll be able to install the game and reach the login screen, but you won't be able to log in and access the game without an active ESOTU account.

@ZOS_GaryA
So how will this work for rentals? How much will the keys be? Will you need to the disk to play if you purchased a key? With all due respect, it seems like a pretty bad idea to have this work differently than over 90% of console games and not have this clearly explained anywhere.
I hope this is posted on the box and that the proper measures are being taken to protect people who buy/ rent from legitimate companies.

I used to work for a UK video game retailer about 6 years ago and even then it was pretty much standard practice to make sure customers were aware of things like needing to pay a subscription for some games, or register it online, or needing to own the base game to use an expansion.

If anything we were more likely to point it out if it was unusual for that system. The main one at the time was Phantasy Star Universe of the 360, which was a predominantly online game and required a subscription on top of a Xbox Live Gold account to play. I'd end up explaining that to everyone who was buying it.

Technically it wasn't my problem, the information was clearly printed on the box and not actually anything to do with me or my employer. But once you've had someone screaming in your face because she was stupid enough to let her son use her card to 'buy a game' and he also used it to sign up for the subscription payments (which she interpreted as your company charging her repeatedly for the same purchase) you quickly decide it's better to make sure customers know what they're buying at the time.

Regardless, I do think it's still a large issue with the console gamers overall. Most of my friends still find it weird, just as the OP does, that a console game is requiring a unique serial key. Us PC gamers have come to accept it as common knowledge over the past decade, so I can understand why the average console gamer would find this as a bit of a shock. But this is how gaming companies will reduce piracy and ensure proper revenue for the amount of players actually purchasing/playing the game.

ZOS_GaryA wrote: »

If you own the disc but don't have a key, you'll be able to install the game and reach the login screen, but you won't be able to log in and access the game without an active ESOTU account.

Suppose I have an ESOTU account from playing on PC and purchase a used copy of ESOTU for console. If I enter my PC account information at the login screen, will I be able to play on console with the used copy?