Sharee wrote: »

The new zones that are coming out in (i guess) a few months should also alleviate some of the concern that 'i have no more quests to do to gain champion points'.

Remember that earning champion points is a marathon, not a sprint.

So after already playing X hours for a character advancement that will be taken away, we should find solace in the fact that at some point down the line after months we will have the opportunity to again play X hours to achieve the advancement we ALREADY HAD?

If you aren't getting a check from the marketing department, you should be.

The problem is everyone that is upset here with Zos never got the full quote.

"We're keeping track of your XP.........So we know who we trolled the hardest and who to laugh at"

OrangeTheCat wrote: »

I also have VR14s and some lowbie VRs so I understand where the QQ is coming from and a small part of me is a little bit sympathetic. But this CP system is a "do over" for ZOS as they understand VR was a total failure. CP fixes that and makes the game more "alt friendly" (another flaw with the original system). Personally, I don't mind resetting everyone like me back to start (lvl 50 with 30 CPs, assuming we are understanding this correctly) but it has to be applied to everyone to be fair. If you have a lot of vr14s and have used up all the quests as you claim (dubious), then delete some of them and create new characters. Or rage quit for all anyone cares; you represent a tiny minority and you won't be missed. These changes are healthy for new players and the game's future and ZOS doesn't owe us anything (other than access to the game).

If your assessment of the situation has any validity (dubious) then ZOS should just reset everyone back to 0. Let everyone's leveling and XP get reset equally. Let those that level slowly (or just started) get to feel equal pain of losing progress and having to start over to gain equal access to the new champion system. I'm sure the new players and slow levelers (of which I am one and I have 2 v14s) won't mind equal treatment for the betterment of the game. lol.

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

I never remember hearing them say its capped at 30 points. They said something along the lines of "When you hit Veteran ranks you get 30 CP".

That could have easily been what they meant, so it could be that they continued to track CP and are going to add an additional 30 to them. It could be understandable because when a player hits V1 for the first time they wouldn't have any CP and wouldn't really be able to use the system at all.

Please show me where ZoS has come out and said "Everyone will get 30 champion points, we didn't track the Xp". They could have easily miss-spoke during the live stream and left some things out because they were thinking about other things to talk about.

I will be LMFAO for sure if that is what turns out to be the case, what with all the childish replies, threats of rage quitting, and temper tantrums.

OrangeTheCat wrote: »

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

I never remember hearing them say its capped at 30 points. They said something along the lines of "When you hit Veteran ranks you get 30 CP".

That could have easily been what they meant, so it could be that they continued to track CP and are going to add an additional 30 to them. It could be understandable because when a player hits V1 for the first time they wouldn't have any CP and wouldn't really be able to use the system at all.

Please show me where ZoS has come out and said "Everyone will get 30 champion points, we didn't track the Xp". They could have easily miss-spoke during the live stream and left some things out because they were thinking about other things to talk about.

I will be LMFAO for sure if that is what turns out to be the case, what with all the childish replies, threats of rage quitting, and temper tantrums.

They were not clear about it in the ESO Live session. What they said was "as long as you have a veteran level character at the onset of the system you will get 30 CP". That can be interpreted in a couple different ways which is why there is so much confusion and why it needs official clarification.

I will also be LMFAO if it turns out that the people on these forums that are feverishly advocating for a system of unfairness that benefits themselves turn out to be advocating for something that is purely wishful thinking in a pathetic attempt to gain some advantage.

Want to see for yourself just go here: https://youtube.com/watch?v=74RNVpzXbA8 and go to 1:06:40.

Thank you very much for the youtube video @EQBallz ! I'm having a lot of trouble loading stuff on Twitch and this really helps.

Eric Wrobel is getting a bit annoying on 2nd watch though. I really believe that he should be invited alone to talk about his part, which is usually very interesting but he takes way to much room to be invited along with another Game Lead.

Ohioastro wrote: »

The sense of arrogant entitlement is thick on this thread. Your character isn't losing anything that they have. They're just not stacking up freebies before a new system is even released. Nothing that they do would be good enough for the bitter crowd anyhow.

Allowing some people to start with huge blocks of CPs would create huge balance problems (everything too easy); it would make it hard for have nots to get groups (looking for tank 500+ CPs) etc.

But, no ,its somehow that people are having somethibg stolen because they're at the current cap.

Jesus.

You are right. There is an arrogant sense of entitlement. Like the idea that someone who is V1 should have access to millions of XP that others would be locked out of for no reason other than timing. Or the idea that some players are entitled to "free" points (30 starting CP) even though they have not completed *ANY* veteran content which is the only way to earn CP. Ironic much? Jesus indeed.

OrangeTheCat wrote: »

Ohioastro wrote: »

The sense of arrogant entitlement is thick on this thread. Your character isn't losing anything that they have. They're just not stacking up freebies before a new system is even released. Nothing that they do would be good enough for the bitter crowd anyhow.

Allowing some people to start with huge blocks of CPs would create huge balance problems (everything too easy); it would make it hard for have nots to get groups (looking for tank 500+ CPs) etc.

But, no ,its somehow that people are having somethibg stolen because they're at the current cap.

Jesus.

Exactly. Not to mention many of these folks "exploited" during the early periods of the game to gain advantage. Leveling the playing field is a good thing (if that is in fact what is going to happen).

You keep throwing out the red herring of "exploiting" but it's not doing anything for your argument because it's completely irrelevant and actually contrary to your position. Anyone who did do grinding skipped the quests and can still access the quest content in the CP system so how does that level the playing field again? Anyone who likes to grind will be able to continue doing that in the CP system so nothing is lost. It's those of us who actually completed the content (and enjoy that style of play) who are losing because we can't do that content again to gain CP. Eventually, some of you will get this through your thick skulls.

This is just as pathetic as those silly undaunted pledge complaint threads.

EQBallzz wrote: »

OrangeTheCat wrote: »

Ohioastro wrote: »

The sense of arrogant entitlement is thick on this thread. Your character isn't losing anything that they have. They're just not stacking up freebies before a new system is even released. Nothing that they do would be good enough for the bitter crowd anyhow.

Allowing some people to start with huge blocks of CPs would create huge balance problems (everything too easy); it would make it hard for have nots to get groups (looking for tank 500+ CPs) etc.

But, no ,its somehow that people are having somethibg stolen because they're at the current cap.

Jesus.

Exactly. Not to mention many of these folks "exploited" during the early periods of the game to gain advantage. Leveling the playing field is a good thing (if that is in fact what is going to happen).

You keep throwing out the red herring of "exploiting" but it's not doing anything for your argument because it's completely irrelevant and actually contrary to your position. Anyone who did do grinding skipped the quests and can still access the quest content in the CP system so how does that level the playing field again? Anyone who likes to grind will be able to continue doing that in the CP system so nothing is lost. It's those of us who actually completed the content (and enjoy that style of play) who are losing because we can't do that content again to gain CP. Eventually, some of you will get this through your thick skulls.

Grinding includes doing quests , when you are grinding it a focused playing of the game to get the most XP you can as fast as you can . This includes farming mobs , doing quests and running dungeons .

would make you feel better if they choose to instead reset all level 50 and level 50 plus quests and give nobody any champion system points ?

As for being rewarded for you VR14 (or any rank of VR)your reward is having that character available to you to play as one of the most powerful characters in the game at this time . If you want to be top of the hill under the new system earn it do not expect to be handed that level on a silver plater.

onlinegamer1 wrote: »

DanielMaxwell wrote: »

Grinding includes doing quests.

False. Please don't post incorrect things.

It does include doing quests when you are killing mobs along the way that you might not otherwise do. It's all part of the results of the xp tracking.

EQBallzz wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

EQBallzz wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

EQBallzz wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

xaraan wrote: »

I'm sure those players that don't play much or level slowly are loving this, but in the end, it's really not fair to some of us.

Anyone who grinded xp in the hope of gaining an initial advantage in the CP amount knew he is risking being over the cap already and not getting anything from his grind(since the actual cap was unknown).

I have four veteran characters and i am not bothered by this.

What does grinding have to do with anything? I have two max level characters and I didn't grind. In fact, anyone who did grind is probably benefiting if they skipped the quests because they can still go back and do the content they skipped and get XP for the CP system. It's the people who *didn't* grind and actually completed all the content on 1 or more characters that are getting screwed here.

If i understand you correctly, you feel you are getting screwed because you no longer can get your CP from quests that you already have done.

ZOS said they want all activities in game to reward roughly the same CP. That includes activities typically done by capped characters who already completed all static content, i.e you. So you should not be screwed in any way, even if you cannot do the quests anymore. Just do what you typically do and you should gain CP at the same rate as the player who quests.

Personally, i am going to get my CP from the cyrodiil dailies (during the live they said they are going to make them very rewarding, CP-wise)

What do I do at max level? Once a week I might do a trial (new activity for me). That isn't going to be much XP.

You have no idea how much XP it's going to be, because it is being rebalanced. The people at Zenimax DO know they have maxed players like you, and they DO want them to have a fair shot at gaining CP, no matter what their favorite activity is.

Also, if you really going to play that little, you will greatly profit from the inspiration system (basically you will earn CP at 4x normal rate all the time you do play)

Play that little? I play every day for 2 or more hours a day. I wouldn't call that "little".

Dude. I was reacting to what you wrote:

What do I do at max level? Once a week I might do a trial (new activity for me). That isn't going to be much XP

You are claiming that you wont be getting much XP because all you do is a trial once a week. And then you are surprised when people comment on you playing little?

So I guess they are going to start awarding XP for the activity of looking for a group?

In a way. If you are not earning XP(because you are looking for group or whatever), your inspiration enlightement is ticking up.

onlinegamer1 wrote: »

DanielMaxwell wrote: »

Grinding includes doing quests.

False. Please don't post incorrect things.

nice way to clip the quote , if your going claim something is false use the entire quote and back up what you claim . the truth is that grinding is about gaining XP as fast as you can and that includes doing quests , since those are generally a very good source of XP . If they where not then why are so many complaining about losing that source of potential XP for the champion system .

Epsilon_Echo wrote: »

OrangeTheCat wrote: »

This is just as pathetic as those silly undaunted pledge complaint threads.

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That being that everyone who is VR14 is a cheater and should have nothing to show for their work. You must believe that, if you don't then your desire to "punish" grinders is so strong that you're willing to crush legit players spirits to dust, wich is a special kind of sad.

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I didn't say anything like that. You assume too much and are putting words in my mouth to make an argument. That's a form of the straw man argument.

You should know on my first VR14 (a sorcerer who now just crafts for my other characters) I did much of the VR leveling by grinding Craglorn bosses because VR leveling was just too onerous for me. The other VRs I didn't grind Craglorn bosses. Craglorn boss XP was way out of whack which is why people chose to grind them. It was "cheating" or "exploiting" if you prefer but not all VR14s got that way by grinding Craglorn mobs. So don't put words in my mouth.

I used to be upset about the lack of a Craglorn grind because VR leveling was so onerous; I freely admit it. But once I realized how ZOS equalized XP gain by tracking our XP earned and making the system more fair, I realized I was wrong. You can still "grind" just mobs if that is what you like to do but doing so won't (or shouldn't, as there might be more work that needs to be done) put you at an advantage to those people who don't like grinding mobs and would rather just grind quests or whatever.

VR is the old world; it is going away. Any sense of "achievement" from such activity is going to be meaningless as the VR system is going away. But maybe for people with such a strong sense of entitlement ZOS should give them a special title like "Former VR14 Snowflake" to acknowledge all their "hard work" at playing a game.

If people complaining about this had no alternatives I might be sympathetic to all the QQ. But as it stands and as I've already said, you are not prohibited from leveling new characters to earn CPs. But that was never really the issue; it was just a convenient excuse to hang an argument on. The real issue is a sense of entitlement and the idea that you should be rewarded for "hard work" in a game. Well, like I said, maybe you will get a special title or something.

The CP system is the new reality and it will make for a better game. Personally, I am excited about it and I don't feel like I need some special acknowledgement for having VR14 characters. In order for the CP system to work and be fair going forward the playing field needs to be made level and that seems reasonable. This is something of a "do over".