The second provisioning writ that I did had me brew a bervez lager. My reward? A bervez lager recipe. I stopped doing them after that.GunemCleric wrote: »I should have said the provisioning writs are ok
poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »I make about 3000g an hour questing, or did. My time is worth way more that 600g an hour. I can actually break even buying the mats, but again it's a waste of time.LonePirate wrote: »poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »LonePirate wrote: »poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »Clothing, Woodworking and Blacksmithing cost more than you make in the long term. You may have stuff for the first one or even two writs, but after that you have to come up with a lot of high end mats each time. The actual contract you are offered would be turned down in any real world. A solid negative profit with a small chance for a nice item. No!
This is no longer the case as of last Thursday's patch. The writs pay 604g now. Even if you are asked to craft 9 woodworking items, those sell for 612g but the reward chest will always contain something worth more than 8g. Most of the time you are asked to craft just 6 items so the writ gold reward contains around 200g.
So where do you get the mats?
I farm them, usually in Craglorn but I will also make some passes in my VR8-10 zones. I usually need an hour to farm a stack of all three mat types except Shadowhide which takes longer. The mats from the survey reports will reduce that farming time somewhat.
diabeticDemon18 wrote: »GunemCleric wrote: »diabeticDemon18 wrote: »GunemCleric wrote: »I just did my last writ, they (blacksmith, woodworking, and clothier writs) are a complete and total waste of time and resources. Before the patch to "fix" them we got 5 nirn pieces from blacksmith survey and none from WW or Cloth surveys, which was a little unbalanced. Now you get NONE from any or if you do you get same drop rate as farming for hours in upper crag.
Everyone who I speaking to is saying the same thing, you have introduced yet another gold/resource sink. People in my guild are done too. Take this as a warning to all that this is a system to waste vast resources without any reward
The only useful ones are Enchanting and Alchemy, but next patch will likely ruin those so do them while you can.
I would love to express how I feel toward ZOS, but you clearly do not care about your player base so it would not matter. I have asked for you to step up and actually speak to us and listen, but I see that will never happen.
@ZOS_JessicaFolsom (i do not have energy to find other names)
... maybe if people weren't blatantly rude to them and say they don't care about their player base, they would actually get on here and respond to people. The only times I've seen them respond in forums is whenever people ask questions to them in a calm, respective tone and are grateful for the response when one is given. They are people. Would you get on here and post if you knew all you were going to get is whiplashed and ridiculed? I know I wouldn't, thank you @ZOS_JessicaFolsom and @ZOS_GinaBruno to name a few. Sorry for everyone being so hateful to you
You must be new here, no offense. Asking nicely has almost never worked. Calling them names or raging has rarely worked. Being a little passionate and clearly stating what the issue is and why such that other players who agree will comment and agree tends to be the right mix.
A lot of people are angry about this. They broke it without acknowledging it and have created a system that simply wastes valuable resources. There is a severe lack of communication with players and connection to player concerns. The whole nirncrap thing really demonstrates a total disregard for player time. It takes 30 days to research 9 trait (i can live with that), but it should not take 30 hours of wandering around to get materials to do the research, fine if in the wild, but if i am going to waste huge amount of resources then it should have a real payoff, such as a survey that drops no less than one of each nirncrap trait. I do not need quicksilver or maple or cotton, the token return on voidstone or nightwood are a joke.
You think this is put in place buy people who are connected to the community and therefore care? I would love to see them actually put forth a spokesperson who actually speaks and listens to the community. They do not listen, they respond. If they listened no one would be putting their @ tags in posts.
I'm definitely not new... In fact I have the same forum rank as you. But I agree, being passionate and having people agree works. I was simply meaning that you are at least respectful when you ask the question, not raging and calling them out. I understand it's a problem, I'm happy people are on here looking for fixes, but it's not ok to be blatantly rude.
Teargrants wrote: »I recall people were joking that zos would just remove the nirn from the blacksmithing writ instead of fixing the drops for the other ones. I just don't even...
What's nice about the provision writs is that if you've got the points in the skills that increase the amount of food you make, you can hold on to the food and use it for the next day's writ. Same with alchemy. It's really efficient and a nice way of making a small amount of money.The second provisioning writ that I did had me brew a bervez lager. My reward? A bervez lager recipe. I stopped doing them after that.GunemCleric wrote: »I should have said the provisioning writs are ok
This made me lol... I haven't tried them yet, but this and everything else I've read has me thinking I may not even bother. Sad! I was looking forward to this addition.
poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »I make about 3000g an hour questing, or did. My time is worth way more that 600g an hour. I can actually break even buying the mats, but again it's a waste of time.LonePirate wrote: »poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »LonePirate wrote: »poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »Clothing, Woodworking and Blacksmithing cost more than you make in the long term. You may have stuff for the first one or even two writs, but after that you have to come up with a lot of high end mats each time. The actual contract you are offered would be turned down in any real world. A solid negative profit with a small chance for a nice item. No!
This is no longer the case as of last Thursday's patch. The writs pay 604g now. Even if you are asked to craft 9 woodworking items, those sell for 612g but the reward chest will always contain something worth more than 8g. Most of the time you are asked to craft just 6 items so the writ gold reward contains around 200g.
So where do you get the mats?
I farm them, usually in Craglorn but I will also make some passes in my VR8-10 zones. I usually need an hour to farm a stack of all three mat types except Shadowhide which takes longer. The mats from the survey reports will reduce that farming time somewhat.
When was the last time you played?, if you farm 1 stack of each in 1 hour, not counting the hides, with current prices, that's about 6k gold, double of what you used to make. And that is just the stacks... Lots of people can farm almost 2 stacks of each, and that's including hides in about an hour, so that's almost 18k......
GunemCleric wrote: »
The only useful ones are Enchanting and Alchemy, but next patch will likely ruin those so do them while you can.
I did a provisioning writ which had me create a green sweetroll. As a reward, I got a green sweetroll recipe and some gold. That was the last provisioning one I did.GunemCleric wrote: »I should have said the provisioning writs are ok
GunemCleric wrote: »
The only useful ones are Enchanting and Alchemy, but next patch will likely ruin those so do them while you can.
First time I tried blacksmithing I used nearly an entire stack of voidsteel and my reward was a single Chrysolite, nothing else, just a single Chyrsolite. That was also the last time I did any material writs.
I do Alchemy and provisioning, however I only do provisioning for the 600g not the mats.
3rdwardhobocub18_ESO wrote: »Hey I did a blacksmithing writ yesterday and I got a diamond. You hear that a DIAMOND! Bling bling baby
ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »We first introduced Crafting Writs and Survey Reports in Update 5. Our primary goal for this system is to provide an alternate, rewarding way to level up your crafting skills. The major incentive to complete writs is intended to be the large chunk of inspiration you receive—which we do recognize isn't as valuable to those of you who have already maxed out your crafting skills. So far, we've taken a few measures to improve writs and their rewards (especially for max-level crafters), such as increasing the gold modifier on the quests. You should always gain money per completed writ.
When we released the system, it contained a bug that resulted in Blacksmithing Survey Report nodes yielding Nirncrux trait stones at a 100% rate (significantly higher than intended) and Clothier Survey Report nodes yielding them at a 0.05% rate (much lower than intended). The other Survey Reports were yielding Nirncrux trait stones at the correct rate.
We've since fixed the bug so that all Survey Report nodes have the same chance to contain Nirncrux trait stones. This, the intended rate, is five times greater than that of regular nodes. We want the Nirncrux trait stones to be rare, but for Survey Report nodes to provide a higher chance for you to get them. We are reading your feedback about the current drop rate and will take your thoughts into consideration as we go forward.
Right now, we're discussing a number of changes and improvements to the Crafting Writ system. None of these are set in stone, but we'd like to share some of our thoughts with you. One change we’re considering is raising that number for Crafting Writ rewards by adding a chance to score boosters (resins, tempers, tannin, etc.) for completing writs. We've also been talking about lowering the total number of items you need to make for Woodworker, Clothier, and Blacksmith Writs, based on your feedback.
Long term, we'd also like to add Master Crafting Writs, which would be tailored and exclusively available to players that are at maximum crafting ranks. The Master Crafting Writs would be befitting of those who are masters of their chosen craft and would require the creation of powerful items for special rewards.
We've also seen your feedback about the overall difficulty of reaching Craglorn Survey Reports, and are planning to make adjustments. We want writs to be a positive, fun experience.
We hope this helps explain our intent for Crafting Writs, what we've changed so far, and where we hope to go with them. We'd love to hear your thoughts.
diabeticDemon18 wrote: »GunemCleric wrote: »I just did my last writ, they (blacksmith, woodworking, and clothier writs) are a complete and total waste of time and resources. Before the patch to "fix" them we got 5 nirn pieces from blacksmith survey and none from WW or Cloth surveys, which was a little unbalanced. Now you get NONE from any or if you do you get same drop rate as farming for hours in upper crag.
Everyone who I speaking to is saying the same thing, you have introduced yet another gold/resource sink. People in my guild are done too. Take this as a warning to all that this is a system to waste vast resources without any reward
The only useful ones are Enchanting and Alchemy, but next patch will likely ruin those so do them while you can.
I would love to express how I feel toward ZOS, but you clearly do not care about your player base so it would not matter. I have asked for you to step up and actually speak to us and listen, but I see that will never happen.
@ZOS_JessicaFolsom (i do not have energy to find other names)
... maybe if people weren't blatantly rude to them and say they don't care about their player base, they would actually get on here and respond to people. The only times I've seen them respond in forums is whenever people ask questions to them in a calm, respective tone and are grateful for the response when one is given. They are people. Would you get on here and post if you knew all you were going to get is whiplashed and ridiculed? I know I wouldn't, thank you @ZOS_JessicaFolsom and @ZOS_GinaBruno to name a few. Sorry for everyone being so hateful to you
diabeticDemon18 wrote: »GunemCleric wrote: »I just did my last writ, they (blacksmith, woodworking, and clothier writs) are a complete and total waste of time and resources. Before the patch to "fix" them we got 5 nirn pieces from blacksmith survey and none from WW or Cloth surveys, which was a little unbalanced. Now you get NONE from any or if you do you get same drop rate as farming for hours in upper crag.
Everyone who I speaking to is saying the same thing, you have introduced yet another gold/resource sink. People in my guild are done too. Take this as a warning to all that this is a system to waste vast resources without any reward
The only useful ones are Enchanting and Alchemy, but next patch will likely ruin those so do them while you can.
I would love to express how I feel toward ZOS, but you clearly do not care about your player base so it would not matter. I have asked for you to step up and actually speak to us and listen, but I see that will never happen.
@ZOS_JessicaFolsom (i do not have energy to find other names)
... maybe if people weren't blatantly rude to them and say they don't care about their player base, they would actually get on here and respond to people. The only times I've seen them respond in forums is whenever people ask questions to them in a calm, respective tone and are grateful for the response when one is given. They are people. Would you get on here and post if you knew all you were going to get is whiplashed and ridiculed? I know I wouldn't, thank you @ZOS_JessicaFolsom and @ZOS_GinaBruno to name a few. Sorry for everyone being so hateful to you
You must be joking. It's their JOB to respond. If they don't like being sniped at when the patches break something, they are in the wrong line of work.
And... whiplashed? Do you know what that word means?
The second provisioning writ that I did had me brew a bervez lager. My reward? A bervez lager recipe. I stopped doing them after that.GunemCleric wrote: »I should have said the provisioning writs are ok
ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »We first introduced Crafting Writs and Survey Reports in Update 5. Our primary goal for this system is to provide an alternate, rewarding way to level up your crafting skills.
I have farmed thousands of BS, Cloth, WW, and Alchemy mats in upper Craglorn and have yet to get a Nirncrux.
It's just beyond stupid!