There should be, but I seriously doubt there will be. Too many people would likely complain as it would force people who don't want to be part of the justice system to do so if they become vampires/werewolves.

1000% for it. But i didn`t dare to ask this question...
For example, if you transform in public, the guard will attack you. (And also the comments like "You smell like wet dogs". I loved this).
I would love to se some response from the game of you beeing a WW or a Vamp. For example, dogs recognizing you, or wolves not attacking you.

I do believe in the summit notes on the foundry they mentioned the user will have the ability to opt-out of the justice system when in towns to prevent things from happening accidentally. With that, I can see them implementing consequences for vampirism and lycanthropy since, if you didn't want that to happen, you'd be able to opt-out.

It would be nice to see consequences for being vamp/ww. But if you can just flag yourself for JS - it doesn't really matter(confirm that was mentioned on guild summit).

Inversus wrote: »

Vampires should be able to feed on npcs, which results in a penalty - but just being a vampire shouldn't be penalised imo.

Since they are all about being after our bodily fluids, they should be penalized even if they do not suck someone's blood at the moment.
Besides, it's not like they somehow accidentaly became bloodsuckers. It was their choice to run around yelling "WTB vamp bite", so they must stand just punishment.

I am not so sure there are not now consequences...

No doubt a bug in the game but..... Yesterday before bed I decided to catch up on some crafting. Get research going and all that.

As random or not so random change would play out my two primary crafter's are a female Dunmer Sorc Vampire and a male Bosmer NB WW.

I was also stage 4 on the vampire when I logged on. I could not get any guild vendor - including at the bank - to sell me anything. Hitting "D" resulted in a blank page no matter what/where.

Some of my kind guildies sent me a few items in mail to get me going and I started working on my WW. Same city. Same Faction (imperial ed) pretty much same anything.

My NB WW had no problems using the stores. The exact same NPC's were willing and able to sell to him.

Did my business and decided to check out changing my stage on me Sorc.

Switched back, went into the world and had a few Wormies and Maomer for lunch and dinner, walked back into the same town and could not use the vendors on my vampire.

I would chime in and say it takes, what 2 1/2 hours to get from full stage 1 to stage 4? I could see some populations being ascared of vampires and WW.

Seems to me a lot of the Bosmer population is tacitly ok with WW-Hunters so long as they are socially responsible in town and defend the forest from all who would invade (and eat flowers).

Based on past games (Morrowind in particular) I could see where some Telvani towns and some mage guild facilities are quite ok with socially responsible vampires.

I would like to have vampire quest-lines and stories as well as ones for people with the gift of Hurcine.

I could even see some factions and areas being willing to issue "permits" though the fighters guild and mages guild where one swears to only use your affliction for the good of the Dominion/Covenent/Pact. Like programs where convicted criminals can serve in the army.

Of course being stage 4 in public or transforming in the city limits is going to get you arrested and you going to have to have your day in court to show you are a friends of the queen/king/tribunal/etc and the permit is not fake.

If one just can not behave and just has to follow that NPC who just told you the only thing worse then High Elves (the milk drinkers they are) is Orcs just as you walk by, well just dont get caught - wait till night and be very stealthy. Let him think that mark on his neck is from a lust wench (or at least that is what he will tell people) buy you and he will know he'd been paid back. Well if your going to be like that - you should be able and there should be justice even for drunk nords.

ryanmjmcevoy_ESO wrote: »

I do believe in the summit notes on the foundry they mentioned the user will have the ability to opt-out of the justice system when in towns to prevent things from happening accidentally. With that, I can see them implementing consequences for vampirism and lycanthropy since, if you didn't want that to happen, you'd be able to opt-out.

If you can opt out , then i agree this would be a good idea for those that want it. More options is usually good.

But if you cant opt out , then i remain against this idea. Being forced into PvP because you are vamp would be quite annoying.

Having a few vamps I think it would be interesting if you are say level four vamp that when you go into town you are treated as an enemy. Same for WW just like in Skyrim. I always loved turning into a WW and having the town freak out! To me it just seems right to have this balance in the game. If you are going to be a vamp or WW then there should be a down side to it, not just in passives or skills but in the game world itself.

They'd better be part of the justice system. At least stage 4 vampires better be!

Shouldn't have to be a choice to enforce or rebel.

Bring back fame/infamy rating. Let character decisions be reflected in your character's character. Think alignment, for the D&D types out there.

It's also the difference between presence and action. Feeding is a lot different than just being there.

I'm quite ok with it, either way, but if we're going to have guards 'respond' to environmental cues, brandishing a weapon or summoning a familiar should have the same consequence for non-gifted types.

(Did I say 'non-gifted?' What I really meant was 'You're special too...')

After all, I don't want my meal to taste funny.

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

ryanmjmcevoy_ESO wrote: »

I do believe in the summit notes on the foundry they mentioned the user will have the ability to opt-out of the justice system when in towns to prevent things from happening accidentally. With that, I can see them implementing consequences for vampirism and lycanthropy since, if you didn't want that to happen, you'd be able to opt-out.

If you can opt out , then i agree this would be a good idea for those that want it. More options is usually good.

But if you cant opt out , then i remain against this idea. Being forced into PvP because you are vamp would be quite annoying.

If you can opt out, something like the Dawnguard, or maybe actually the Dawnguard itself (since we don't have a hard and fast timeline for when it was established) would be a pretty great open world PvP mechanic. You have players actively hunting participating vampires, while you have vampires actively hunting Dawnguard players.

Not necessarily as an extension of the justice system, but as a parallel intersecting system.

If the vampires have a way to conceal their nature, and Dawnguard players are left trying to sort out who is or isn't a Vampire, with the option to try to "out" players they think are vampires. If it is a vampire, but isn't flagged for PvP, no harm no foul, if it's a vampire, the Dawnguard player can enter them into a... book of grudges back at their base, which lets Dawnguard members update their PvP opponents list. But if it's not, then the Dawnguard player looses standing (somehow).

Meanwhile, vampires are free to hunt the Dawnguard players. With the knowledge that if their victim survives and gets away, they'll be exposed.

I really hope it's added. There currently is a built in choice already to exempt yourself from flagging yourself: cure you're affliction. This is coming from a person with characters with both vampirism and hircine's gift. These are optional skill trees, nothing wrong with them having specific rules for the upcoming systems, especially when it makes sense and has precedent in the previous TES.

Give a "criminal underground" wayshrine/banking/crafting in each capitol city to provide a safe alternative and make everywhere else fair game. As of now, in pve especially, the vulnerability to fire is mostly a "are you bad and can't dodge red circles" check - there should be more of a reason for me to not make the rest of my characters vampire. Having to actually feed and manage interactions is a preferred (and appreciated) trade off instead off instead of blanket vulnerabilities.

MornaBaine wrote: »

So, a question about the justice system... will it involve only players (ergo, PvP) or will there also be NPC involvement (PvE) such as guards attacking "criminals" and negative reasctions from other NPCs like townies and vendors?

If nothing changed, then at first you should have to deal with PvE guards for a while until eventually your bounty gets high enough and players enter with pvP to kill you.

I was happy when he said you can just chose to not take part at all on the system , but since i didnt see those news myself , im not sure that is how they intend to make it. (even if i had seen it , considering it is zen and they like to change their minds about stuff , i would believe when i see it ingame)

Elf_Boy wrote: »

I am not so sure there are not now consequences...

No doubt a bug in the game but..... Yesterday before bed I decided to catch up on some crafting. Get research going and all that.

As random or not so random change would play out my two primary crafter's are a female Dunmer Sorc Vampire and a male Bosmer NB WW.

I was also stage 4 on the vampire when I logged on. I could not get any guild vendor - including at the bank - to sell me anything. Hitting "D" resulted in a blank page no matter what/where.

Some of my kind guildies sent me a few items in mail to get me going and I started working on my WW. Same city. Same Faction (imperial ed) pretty much same anything.

My NB WW had no problems using the stores. The exact same NPC's were willing and able to sell to him.

Did my business and decided to check out changing my stage on me Sorc.

Switched back, went into the world and had a few Wormies and Maomer for lunch and dinner, walked back into the same town and could not use the vendors on my vampire.

I would chime in and say it takes, what 2 1/2 hours to get from full stage 1 to stage 4? I could see some populations being ascared of vampires and WW.

Seems to me a lot of the Bosmer population is tacitly ok with WW-Hunters so long as they are socially responsible in town and defend the forest from all who would invade (and eat flowers).

Based on past games (Morrowind in particular) I could see where some Telvani towns and some mage guild facilities are quite ok with socially responsible vampires.

I would like to have vampire quest-lines and stories as well as ones for people with the gift of Hurcine.

I could even see some factions and areas being willing to issue "permits" though the fighters guild and mages guild where one swears to only use your affliction for the good of the Dominion/Covenent/Pact. Like programs where convicted criminals can serve in the army.

Of course being stage 4 in public or transforming in the city limits is going to get you arrested and you going to have to have your day in court to show you are a friends of the queen/king/tribunal/etc and the permit is not fake.

If one just can not behave and just has to follow that NPC who just told you the only thing worse then High Elves (the milk drinkers they are) is Orcs just as you walk by, well just dont get caught - wait till night and be very stealthy. Let him think that mark on his neck is from a lust wench (or at least that is what he will tell people) buy you and he will know he'd been paid back. Well if your going to be like that - you should be able and there should be justice even for drunk nords.

I think this may be the answer. The JS will most likely be a money sink like it was in the other TES games.