We need a third vet campaign with CP enabled.

Talcyndl

KenaPKK wrote: »

I will say here, everyone, that I enjoyed playing on Azura's tonight. I went there to escape the lag. You should give it a shot.

SHHHHH!

It's bad enough dealing with the AD zerglings. We don't want a bunch of people bringing their AoE spamming Blobs to Azuras and lagging it out.

/signed Happy with No-CP and No-Lag

Aquanova

Bring back ThornBlade!

Mojmir

dont forget, right now you got people hunting new set motifs,armor mats,working out changes in cyrodiil. might not be much,but it adds up and might quiet down eventually.

Jules

THIS. PLEASE give us a third.

KenaPKK

Is a weeknight.

Are still triple pop locked.

Are still laggy as all hell.

ZoS please..

Force-Siphon

Thornblade!!!

Caza99

#BringBackTheGreatWabba

Lucky28

frozywozy wrote: »

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NACtron wrote: »

I disagree with the OP. Having two campaigns with a constant regular population is a good thing and I often see haddy at low or medium pop outside of primetime so there it's not like there is no room for players in Cyrodiil. The pvp community is awesome but small. We can't fill another campaign. If we add another campaign you will find one stacked camp and two low pop camps that are painted solidly one color except for maybe at prime time. Right now neither haddy nor TrueFlame have major problems with night capping or lack of fights to be found. There is a steady pop 90% of the time.

The lag sucks but the problem is new players or pugs will almost always join camps that have the highest pop. No one excpet hardcore guilds or pvers that want a safe cyrodiil will go to a new camp. The result will be stacked players in one campaign and will make lag for those of us in The current largest campaign on TrueFlame. PvP is more evenly spread on servers right now than ever and I'm satisfied with it.

This guy gets it. I have been asking to lower the amount of campaigns for at least 6months. This is why Thornblade and Azura Star have been that laggy prior of TG DLC. When you have too many campaigns, every single person who either want to compete against the best in the world or who wants to find action outside of primetime will go where the action is creating a vicious circle and getting everybody in the same campaign.

Once people are all stacked up in the same campaign, it is impossible to get competitive guilds to home somewhere else. I've tried to convince people to move to Axe when they opened it. I was home there for the first month pushing left and right to get people there, everybody stayed on Azura.

Closing Axe and making Azura CPs only was the right move and a way forward. The problem right now is that only AD and EP did an effort to move to other campaigns. DC all stack Trueflame and most of the time when I've seen the server going boom this past week, there was a huge cross sword on the map somewhere mixed with blue and another color. Every single time. It's incredible the amount of DC guilds running 24members plus. Must be at least 4guilds now. Every single evening of the week. EP has only one guild that run 24men groups. AD has probably only one aswell.

One or two DC guild needs to move to Haderus to make it fair and more playable for everybody else. Then Zenimax needs to constantly monitor the flow of players during primetime on each campaign and when both Haderus and Trueflame gets max pop with a 20+ queue for all factions most of the time, open a third one. Not before, otherwise you will ruin all the efforts made to make two competitive campaigns, something we've been looking into for so long.

And when you do open another campaign, make sure it's a 30days campaign with SCROLLS AND KEEPS more valuable than ressources.

Right now. TF and Had are both about as laggy as Azura was during prime time. playing prime time is almost completely dead for me, i can't do it.

No, a third is needed.

@Force-Siphon Chill force, Chill

KenaPKK

Lucky28 wrote: »

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frozywozy wrote: »

NACtron wrote: »

I disagree with the OP. Having two campaigns with a constant regular population is a good thing and I often see haddy at low or medium pop outside of primetime so there it's not like there is no room for players in Cyrodiil. The pvp community is awesome but small. We can't fill another campaign. If we add another campaign you will find one stacked camp and two low pop camps that are painted solidly one color except for maybe at prime time. Right now neither haddy nor TrueFlame have major problems with night capping or lack of fights to be found. There is a steady pop 90% of the time.

The lag sucks but the problem is new players or pugs will almost always join camps that have the highest pop. No one excpet hardcore guilds or pvers that want a safe cyrodiil will go to a new camp. The result will be stacked players in one campaign and will make lag for those of us in The current largest campaign on TrueFlame. PvP is more evenly spread on servers right now than ever and I'm satisfied with it.

This guy gets it. I have been asking to lower the amount of campaigns for at least 6months. This is why Thornblade and Azura Star have been that laggy prior of TG DLC. When you have too many campaigns, every single person who either want to compete against the best in the world or who wants to find action outside of primetime will go where the action is creating a vicious circle and getting everybody in the same campaign.

Once people are all stacked up in the same campaign, it is impossible to get competitive guilds to home somewhere else. I've tried to convince people to move to Axe when they opened it. I was home there for the first month pushing left and right to get people there, everybody stayed on Azura.

Closing Axe and making Azura CPs only was the right move and a way forward. The problem right now is that only AD and EP did an effort to move to other campaigns. DC all stack Trueflame and most of the time when I've seen the server going boom this past week, there was a huge cross sword on the map somewhere mixed with blue and another color. Every single time. It's incredible the amount of DC guilds running 24members plus. Must be at least 4guilds now. Every single evening of the week. EP has only one guild that run 24men groups. AD has probably only one aswell.

One or two DC guild needs to move to Haderus to make it fair and more playable for everybody else. Then Zenimax needs to constantly monitor the flow of players during primetime on each campaign and when both Haderus and Trueflame gets max pop with a 20+ queue for all factions most of the time, open a third one. Not before, otherwise you will ruin all the efforts made to make two competitive campaigns, something we've been looking into for so long.

And when you do open another campaign, make sure it's a 30days campaign with SCROLLS AND KEEPS more valuable than ressources.

Right now. TF and Had are both about as laggy as Azura was during prime time. playing prime time is almost completely dead for me, i can't do it.

No, a third is needed.

@Force-Siphon Chill force, Chill

Yea, I don't really play PvP during prime time anymore either.

Ishammael

Wabbajack?!?!?!

Robbmrp

KenaPKK wrote: »

With the deletion of Axe of Belharza, we only have two "normal" campaigns, meaning vet level with cp enabled: Haderus and Trueflame.

Tonight, both are triple pop locked, making finding low lag and small scale PvP impossible without venturing to Azura's.

Playing on Azura's should be decided by a desire to play without CP enabled (which I have enjoyed some of, by the way), NOT by population levels or lag.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_GinaBruno It's time to reawaken one of our sleeping campaigns. Before TG, we had 3 "normal" campaigns that each had some action. Even pre-TG Trueflame saw solid action as Haderus filled up in the past month or so. With the arrival of TG, players are returning to the game to see how the changes feel (they need work still, by the way), increasing the PvP playerbase further. We need more space to accommodate play please.

This is a great reason to add in another Campaign with CP. For those that don't want to play in the No CP Campaign, they are forced into one making it pop locked constantly causing all kinds of performance issues.

@ZOS should put in 1 more CP campaign and drop the caps on them to 2/3 of what it is now. This would help ensure that the server could handle the battles taking place there.

If they could actually reduce the lag on the CP Campaign I may give it a try again. I'd rather play with 0 CP's and NO Lag than 501 CP's with so much lag you can do squat.

The game is so much fun when it doesn't lag....

frozywozy

Robbmrp wrote: »

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KenaPKK wrote: »

With the deletion of Axe of Belharza, we only have two "normal" campaigns, meaning vet level with cp enabled: Haderus and Trueflame.

Tonight, both are triple pop locked, making finding low lag and small scale PvP impossible without venturing to Azura's.

Playing on Azura's should be decided by a desire to play without CP enabled (which I have enjoyed some of, by the way), NOT by population levels or lag.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_GinaBruno It's time to reawaken one of our sleeping campaigns. Before TG, we had 3 "normal" campaigns that each had some action. Even pre-TG Trueflame saw solid action as Haderus filled up in the past month or so. With the arrival of TG, players are returning to the game to see how the changes feel (they need work still, by the way), increasing the PvP playerbase further. We need more space to accommodate play please.

This is a great reason to add in another Campaign with CP. For those that don't want to play in the No CP Campaign, they are forced into one making it pop locked constantly causing all kinds of performance issues.

@ZOS should put in 1 more CP campaign and drop the caps on them to 2/3 of what it is now. This would help ensure that the server could handle the battles taking place there.

If they could actually reduce the lag on the CP Campaign I may give it a try again. I'd rather play with 0 CP's and NO Lag than 501 CP's with so much lag you can do squat.

The game is so much fun when it doesn't lag....

Great idea. Frozy supports this.

Katahdin

I agree. The CP experiment proved that vet CP is what most vet players want. It was nice before. Azuras for massive battles, Trueflame for smaller battles.

KenaPKK

Katahdin wrote: »

I agree. The CP experiment proved that vet CP is what most vet players want. It was nice before. Azuras for massive battles, Trueflame for smaller battles.

I actually really enjoy PvP without CP, as do many other long-time players who have experimented with playing on Azura's. Honestly, the vast majority of players probably haven't played on Azura's and given it a genuine shot, and anyone who hasn't done so is irrelevant in the debate over keeping CP or not.

But that's an entirely different discussion.

Rex-Umbra

Wow xbox still has like 8 campaigns.

Mojmir

spring break here in the states next week, would be a helluva time to add that 3rd campaign.

NovaShadow

You can't say they didn't fix the lag on AZ and Axe.

skillastat

donJay wrote: »

Agreed. Already miss the low EP pop. Can't find quality action before the zerglings eat each other alive

agree

agree
+2

NBrookus

Katahdin wrote: »

I agree. The CP experiment proved that vet CP is what most vet players want. It was nice before. Azuras for massive battles, Trueflame for smaller battles.

A lot of us thought we could escape to Haderus, but it's really busy now, too. Maybe once the TG newness wears off, we can have the massive battles in TF and smaller groups in Haderus.

KenaPKK

PvP unplayable again tonight.

Both normal campaigns are lagged to all hell, IC is crashing for some reason.

I'm maining Azura's now even though I like it less than the CP campaigns (because my friends are not there...). I'm sad.

@ZOS_GinaBruno halp us we luv u.

Erynyes

bring back 14 days chillrend? i'd be down for that

Sanct16

On EU we still have Ebony Blade and Spell Breaker as "30 Day Standard" campaigns. Don't see why they removed them only on NA...

Universe

I agree.
The lag on Trueflame is severe in most hours of the day.
There is an urgent need to add one more cp enabled campaign.

There is absolutely no lag on Azura's star but it's kind of dead(though I'm still giving it a try once in a time).

Jules

PLEASE consider this thread ZOS.
PLEASE.

No one can play this game beneath 500-800ping at prime time when the populations are so condensed into two campaigns. It is literally NOT PLAYABLE. This is not a playable game in this state.

Please please PLEASE reinstate a third CP enabled vet campaign.

Lucky28

Lag is really, really bad at prime time.

KenaPKK

They want us to play in Azura's so we actually try out no-CP PvP.

I think we should. I've played there a bit and enjoyed it. The population is just low.

I homed it. That's where I'll be during prime time from now on.

Psilent

KenaPKK wrote: »

They want us to play in Azura's so we actually try out no-CP PvP.

I think we should. I've played there a bit and enjoyed it. The population is just low.

I homed it. That's where I'll be during prime time from now on.

My theory is one day every campaign will be no CP.

Those Champion Point passives get checked by the server many times while you're in Cyrodiil. Which creates a lot of strain on the system; eliminate the champion system in Cyrodiil and you get rid of a lot of strain.

KenaPKK

Psilent wrote: »

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KenaPKK wrote: »

They want us to play in Azura's so we actually try out no-CP PvP.

I think we should. I've played there a bit and enjoyed it. The population is just low.

I homed it. That's where I'll be during prime time from now on.

My theory is one day every campaign will be no CP.

Those Champion Point passives get checked by the server many times while you're in Cyrodiil. Which creates a lot of strain on the system; eliminate the champion system in Cyrodiil and you get rid of a lot of strain.

They also imbalance the game. We have infinite resources with CP, and shields are amplified twice through bastion and % mitigation CP where damage is only amplified once. Azura's PvP feels very balanced in my opinion -- it's just not as easy, which will deter the casuals.

danno8

Like others have stated, I'd be down for an additional campaign if they lowered the population caps on all the campaigns by a proportional amount.

It seems like we are stuck between to bad choices. All Pop-locked campaigns, or 1 pop-locked campaign with the other campaigns all being dominated by one of the three factions with 3:1:1 bar ratios.

Morbash

I cannot log into the game for more than five minutes before I'm kicked to the login screen due to lag.