This is a point that I have yet to see any of the addon's detractors address: GroupDamage is superior to FTC's sharing. FTC's sharing is unreliable and spits out a single number at the end of a parse. GroupDamage shows the total damage and total heals each person is doing, live, in real time as the fight is progressing. GD is more useful and informative than FTC sharing, and it avoids many of the pitfalls of FTC (particularly when FTC's timing heuristics are off and it gives you a parse consisting of the final seconds of an execution burn). You often don't see some of the crazy inflated numbers that you'd see in FTC because GD is more robust and reliable than FTC.
It cuts both ways. Yes, it can be used to identify people who are underperforming. But it can also be used to expose the real damage that the so-called "epeen strokers" actually do. Instead of having people selectively post the parses that they like, with numbers that look high because of timing, in fights where crit RNG and other factors all went in their favor, you can see what the actual performance is through the entire fight, on all fights, and as a good-but-not-elite player, this addon has actually been very reassuring, as I've now seen that some people who post very high FTCs at the very end of certain fights are often doing amounts of damage in the overall dungeon that are comparable to mine.
People seem to think that data and transparency works only against newbies. That's nonsense. I'm by no means an "elite" player, and I run this addon mostly to reassure myself when I am grouped with very good and elite players that I'm not underperforming too much relative to them. I like the reassurance that a 10K DPS on a certain fight is actually acceptable because another really good DPS is pulling similar numbers, due to mechanics or other factors. This is something that you can get only with the always-on real-time data that GD provides. That no other addon can provide.
I also know people who are average players who have gotten this addon and who like it. Because they're curious about how they stack up and how they are improving. Because they like to have context to damage numbers. "What's a good DPS?" Well, it depends on the fight, doesn't it? Instead of looking at FTC's regurgitation of a single number that has no context (e.g., a 15K on Planar Inhibitor is far more impressive than a 15K on Blood Spawn), you can see your damage numbers in context with the damage numbers of others in the group, in all types of pulls and situations, and it's much more informative and educational. There is no comparable alternative to GD.
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Though there are good and bad things about this addon, we believe that using this type of addon isn’t in the spirit of our game and encourages spying on other players without their permission. Ultimately, we don’t want players being evaluated and discriminated against based on data they don’t know is being broadcast. You will still be able to use addons that show your own combat data if you so choose to, which you can share with others.
Then let us opt in.
The current method of sharing combat data (without this addon) is, at best, clunky, inaccurate, inefficient, and does not give us real-time data as the fight progresses. This is something that has consistently not been addressed in this thread: There is no good alternative at the moment.
Let us flag our account so that our data can be picked up and analyzed by someone else's GroupDamage, so that they're not relying on me to manually spit out a single number at the end of a fight. So that they can see my numbers as they change during the fight, for all fights. Don't take this away from us and pretend that this is okay because we have adequate alternatives. Because we don't.
Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
DPS meter addons don't harass people, people harass people.
Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
DPS meter addons don't harass people, people harass people.
And this is exactly what's going to happen. Your going to have a decked out DPS look at another person who may not have been running dungeons for very long and assume they are a crappy player. They won't know any circumstances behind why that person's DPS is where it's at, they will only see what they interpret as an inadequate players DPS. This will start to set expectations on future groups, "I'm not going to group with them, they can't do decent DPS".....
I just want to say goodbye to making smooth and fun pug trials work where they would have failed before. Now its back to asking for dps and gear, and making people uncomfortable because of that. And kicking (or constantly wiping because I hate kicking people) because there is little else to go on if they dont.
Im gonna miss making something that should have been hard to near impossible work.
Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
DPS meter addons don't harass people, people harass people.
And this is exactly what's going to happen. Your going to have a decked out DPS look at another person who may not have been running dungeons for very long and assume they are a crappy player. They won't know any circumstances behind why that person's DPS is where it's at, they will only see what they interpret as an inadequate players DPS. This will start to set expectations on future groups, "I'm not going to group with them, they can't do decent DPS".....
Freedom of association. Besides if you get kicked from a group with such attitude, you are lucky as you won't have to deal with that kind of person anymore. If the jerks want to ostracize pugs and stick with their own elite community, let them. Eventually they will die off as they didn't train new players for the group. It might look unfair now but jerks punish themselves in the long run.
You will run with everyone until you meet a player who gauged your DPS and said "Hey...perharps you could try this instead...this rotation or this set..." and you might be invited for a guild, good people like helping each other. That's freedom of association.
I literally don't care.
If my group wants to use it, I'll use it too (if they want to see my DPS so badly, I want to see their DPS too). If my group doesn't want to use it, I won't use it either (less clutter on my UI, yay).
So really, I don't care if they are allowed or not. I DO prefer if they are not, because I prefer to not have that little window on my UI. But, again, if my group wants oh so badly to make sure I don't suck, I want to see if they don't suck either. I think it is just fair.
theher0not wrote: »As long as it isn't abused I see no problem with it.