***GROUP DAMAGE ADDONS - Yes or No?***

SirAndy

There is a reason why i play mostly solo, including the group content.

There's always a dipstick who thinks he knows my character better than i do and can't think beyond the one rotation he's memorized.

I'm simply too old to put up with those narrow minded individuals ...

Nifty2g

Heindrich wrote: »

Elitist jerks will be jerks whether a public dps meter exists or not.

With a public dps meter available, they will quickly identify the weak link and kick him quickly with minimal fuss and easy justification. Without a dps meter they will get frustrated and rage at the noobie after discovering the weak link later in the dungeon run, and then kick him.

Most elite players already use personal dps meters and can easily tell if somebody in the team is not pulling their weight. With a public dps meter aspirational players will be able to see how their performance compares with others and seek to improve. And nice elite players who don't kick/abuse noobies now will also not kick/abuse noobies once they can see their dps numbers. They already know.

If anything better information will mostly shut up the mediocre players who think they are good and blame everyone else for their group's difficulties.

All I need to do is look at the player and their rotation and see if they are good/mediocre.
It's not hard to distinguish good and mediocre players

GroupDamage is more so to improve and be competitive rather than elitist and kicking people from group, you shouldn't need an addon to know that

Xjcon

When you join a group you are there to work twords a goal. If there is something keeping you from that goal we should have the tools to help figure out what is the problem.

coolmodi

SirAndy wrote: »

There's always a dipstick who thinks he knows my character better than i do and can't think beyond the one rotation he's memorized.

@SirAndy Probably not intended, but this speaks FOR an addon like that, because it can show that even while using different rotations you may actually still do good enough, or better, without addon people just see that you do something different and asume it must be bad.

And frankly, if you don't do good enough then why would you join in a group effort that expects you to?

lonewolf26

I stand by my statement from the Spy Add-on thread:

I am displeased with the decision to patch out the group damage identification property. As someone that's played only a few classes in this game to end game, I was hoping this add-on would persist to help me tune my builds. However a DSP meter alone can't do this. The only way you know if you're doing well is to see how you measure up with respect to others. This tool gives context to the total contribution you are making, and not just how bursty you were in the execute phase. In most settings having this into can help open a dialog between you and others who are doing better than you.

We as strong players appreciate tools like this as they give us feedback so that we can accurately evaluate our builds and improve our performance.

silky_soft

So that we can pump out and much data as possible to lag pvp out even more

timidobserver

silky_soft wrote: »

So that we can pump out and much data as possible to lag pvp out even more

No less data is being sent. Some things are just hidden now.

Bluepitbull13

silky_soft wrote: »

So that we can pump out and much data as possible to lag pvp out even more

I thought this addon was being used for PvE, at least I am. lol I don't run codex etc... when doing a trial run.

Molag_Crow

If ZOS develop them, then yes.

Zaenidd

the more information you have, the more efficient the group is

coolmodi

silky_soft wrote: »

So that we can pump out and much data as possible to lag pvp out even more

The data is always sent, otherwise your game couln't show what's going on.

Shunravi

Nifty2g wrote: »

Heindrich wrote: »

Elitist jerks will be jerks whether a public dps meter exists or not.

With a public dps meter available, they will quickly identify the weak link and kick him quickly with minimal fuss and easy justification. Without a dps meter they will get frustrated and rage at the noobie after discovering the weak link later in the dungeon run, and then kick him.

Most elite players already use personal dps meters and can easily tell if somebody in the team is not pulling their weight. With a public dps meter aspirational players will be able to see how their performance compares with others and seek to improve. And nice elite players who don't kick/abuse noobies now will also not kick/abuse noobies once they can see their dps numbers. They already know.

If anything better information will mostly shut up the mediocre players who think they are good and blame everyone else for their group's difficulties.

All I need to do is look at the player and their rotation and see if they are good/mediocre.
It's not hard to distinguish good and mediocre players

GroupDamage is more so to improve and be competitive rather than elitist and kicking people from group, you shouldn't need an addon to know that

@Nifty2g I agree, but it also helps when practically no one runs a good rotation. Sure I can see everyone's abilities, but I can't see gear... It's also just tricky keeping track of all that when it's 7+ players who aren't pulling good rotations... But the add-on allowed me to balance groups so that we got good clears, with inexperienced players, with honestly poor dps. I remember wiping in the past when I couldn't do this as effectively.

LadyNalcarya

I dont really care about people seeing my dps, and I think that some kind of dps meter should be available in game by default (maybe with an ability to turn it off for more sensitive players).

ZOS_AlanG

There's already a very active discussion on this topic, including an explanation for the change from the Community team. To keep this discussion focused, we are locking this thread and ask that you continue it over here.