Can we make the Snipe Animation More visible?

leepalmer95

Sick of being randomly hit for 9k arrows from 43+ metres away. It's literally all any stamina build does, it's so annoying. It'd be able to block or dodge it better if the thing wasn't nearly invisible and spam able that before you realise your being snipes you've been hit 3 times and are dead.

Make it obvious that its being show all the other high dmg skills are obvious.

Mitchblue

Go out in the woods and have your buddy shoot arrows at you. Do you see them coming?

Mojmir

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Sick of being randomly hit for 9k arrows from 43+ metres away. It's literally all any stamina build does, it's so annoying. It'd be able to block or dodge it better if the thing wasn't nearly invisible and spam able that before you realise your being snipes you've been hit 3 times and are dead.

Make it obvious that its being show all the other high dmg skills are obvious.

The point of sniping is to not be seen,working as intended

leepalmer95

Mitchblue wrote: »

Go out in the woods and have your buddy shoot arrows at you. Do you see them coming?

Do you see a frag coming, the giant purple thing? Ofc you do.

Do you see the snipe that shoots up in the air? It's a lot harder.

leepalmer95

Mojmir wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Sick of being randomly hit for 9k arrows from 43+ metres away. It's literally all any stamina build does, it's so annoying. It'd be able to block or dodge it better if the thing wasn't nearly invisible and spam able that before you realise your being snipes you've been hit 3 times and are dead.

Make it obvious that its being show all the other high dmg skills are obvious.

The point of sniping is to not be seen,working as intended

The point of sniping is a long range attack, being seen or not doesn't matter.

UltimaJoe777

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Sick of being randomly hit for 9k arrows from 43+ metres away. It's literally all any stamina build does, it's so annoying. It'd be able to block or dodge it better if the thing wasn't nearly invisible and spam able that before you realise your being snipes you've been hit 3 times and are dead.

Make it obvious that its being show all the other high dmg skills are obvious.

The point of sniping is to not be seen,working as intended

The point of sniping is a long range attack, being seen or not doesn't matter.

Then clearly you are not familiar with what "snipers" do. Google sniping and you will see this:

likelolwhat

LOL @ this thread.

*hugs her bow tight*

Mojmir

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Sick of being randomly hit for 9k arrows from 43+ metres away. It's literally all any stamina build does, it's so annoying. It'd be able to block or dodge it better if the thing wasn't nearly invisible and spam able that before you realise your being snipes you've been hit 3 times and are dead.

Make it obvious that its being show all the other high dmg skills are obvious.

The point of sniping is to not be seen,working as intended

The point of sniping is a long range attack, being seen or not doesn't matter.

Then clearly you are not familiar with what "snipers" do.

Actually I am all to well, unfortunately this is where the conversation ends

kevlarto_ESO

Most of those shots are coming out of stealth, they do have an indicator in game it is the drums of war you hear, but I know a lot of people do not listen to game sounds.

I know even with the battle music you have to look for your shooter and with animation canceling macros even though it looks like you got shot once your death recap shows three specials in about 1.5 seconds so even if a light came down from the heaven's and illuminated the target with a big arrow over it would not make any difference, sad but true.:(

Molag_Crow

What's even worse is when they literally spam Focused Aim / Lethal Arrow... you look at your death cap and all you see is:







Their skill to continuously use one button amazes me.

leepalmer95

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

Most of those shots are coming out of stealth, they do have an indicator in game it is the drums of war you hear, but I know a lot of people do not listen to game sounds.

I know even with the battle music you have to look for your shooter and with animation canceling macros even though it looks like you got shot once your death recap shows three specials in about 1.5 seconds so even if a light came down from the heaven's and illuminated the target with a big arrow over it would not make any difference, sad but true.:(

It's not even when in stealth, just literally any stamina user who users bow literally just spams lethal/focused aim.

Unfortunately as a magicka build i don't have the stamina to consistently block or dodge roll, nor can i interupt them as snipe has one of the longest range in the game.

And your right i don't bother listening to game sounds half the time, i prefer listening to music. But just simply making the actual arrow more visible by making it glow or such shouldn't be that much of an issue.

CrowsDescend wrote: »

What's even worse is when they literally spam Focused Aim / Lethal Arrow... you look at your death cap and all you see is:







Their skill to continuously use one button amazes me.

This ^^ thats the problem with this game, people literally spamming 1 skill, wrecking blow, snipe (worst one), frags (though i don't really see people spam this anymore), ambush etc... There needs to be some sort of penalty for using the same skill back to back. Also skills that increase the next skill's dmg by 20% shouldn't be able to buff themselves.

Mojmir

we should just throw rocks at each other,then everyones equal.

UltimaJoe777

Ya'll can play the blame game on skill spamming all you want but if you die to a single skill hitting you multiple times it's your own fault for not noticing the first hit and preparing to counter. I for one have never been killed by one single attack being used on me multiple times.

leepalmer95

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Ya'll can play the blame game on skill spamming all you want but if you die to a single skill hitting you multiple times it's your own fault for not noticing the first hit and preparing to counter. I for one have never been killed by one single attack being used on me multiple times.

Well someones lying, you've never been stealthed wb'ed to death, or sniped to death, if the server lags when the person starts to snipe 3-4 hit you at once.

Your either lying, a really amazing player or just really lucky.

JamilaRaj

That would go against ESO's fundamental design principles and thus be game breaking, as gameplay basically revolves around suddenly losing large chunks of health (alternatively: having skill bar suddenly locked) and necessity of figuring out why is that without any hints.

F7sus4

CrowsDescend wrote: »

What's even worse is when they literally spam Focused Aim / Lethal Arrow... you look at your death cap and all you see is:







Their skill to continuously use one button amazes me.

Your skill to die to one-button player amazes me even more.

UltimaJoe777

leepalmer95 wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Ya'll can play the blame game on skill spamming all you want but if you die to a single skill hitting you multiple times it's your own fault for not noticing the first hit and preparing to counter. I for one have never been killed by one single attack being used on me multiple times.

Well someones lying, you've never been stealthed wb'ed to death, or sniped to death, if the server lags when the person starts to snipe 3-4 hit you at once.

Your either lying, a really amazing player or just really lucky.

Well considering I have spent enough time in Cyrodiil to be a Legionary Grade 2 on just my main alone and I am most definitely not a lucky guy in general I guess I would fall under the amazing category lol

I also don't suffer from lag spikes though so I can't really blame those that cannot defend themselves on the unlucky circumstance that lag gets them killed. I have been there though in other games so I know how it feels...

F7sus4

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Well considering I have spent enough time in Cyrodiil to be a Legionary Grade 2 on just my main alone and I am most definitely not a lucky guy in general I guess I would fall under the amazing category lol

Zerging or dueling? Just asking. Might be a hint.

UltimaJoe777

F7sus4 wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Well considering I have spent enough time in Cyrodiil to be a Legionary Grade 2 on just my main alone and I am most definitely not a lucky guy in general I guess I would fall under the amazing category lol

Zerging or dueling? Just asking. Might be a hint.

I have won a fair share of my 1 on 1s and more than half were victories. Only stalemate I recall was my Lv12 Restoration Sorcerer vs a VR3 Sorcerer. Neither of us would die but then others in my faction came and he died. One of the best fights I have had thus far to be honest.

As far as "Zerging" goes not one person can claim they have not been part of group PvP in Cyrodiil. After all, it is war and legions of soldiers are part of it.

Some other kills of mine are due to ambushing, which of course is part of me maining as a Nightblade. No Bow on my main though.

leepalmer95

F7sus4 wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

What's even worse is when they literally spam Focused Aim / Lethal Arrow... you look at your death cap and all you see is:







Their skill to continuously use one button amazes me.

Your skill to die to one-button player amazes me even more.

Could be 2 players? Like everyone says every stamina build spams snipe. Cou;d be ok one second next you get hit by 3-5 different attacks by players 43+ metres away spamming L1. You won't see these attacks as they're shot up into the air and you don't have time to react because they hit so fast ^^.

Just make the arrows more noticeably and it will be better, not balanced as spamming a skill from 43+ metres away so your out of interrupt range and 3 hitting people isn't exactly what i call balance... but nothing in this game is actually balanced.

F7sus4

leepalmer95 wrote: »

F7sus4 wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

What's even worse is when they literally spam Focused Aim / Lethal Arrow... you look at your death cap and all you see is:







Their skill to continuously use one button amazes me.

Your skill to die to one-button player amazes me even more.

Could be 2 players? Like everyone says every stamina build spams snipe. Cou;d be ok one second next you get hit by 3-5 different attacks by players 43+ metres away spamming L1. You won't see these attacks as they're shot up into the air and you don't have time to react because they hit so fast ^^.

Just make the arrows more noticeably and it will be better, not balanced as spamming a skill from 43+ metres away so your out of interrupt range and 3 hitting people isn't exactly what i call balance... but nothing in this game is actually balanced.

All you need to do is to survive initial and potentially dismounting shot. If you don't, then you either lack proper response skills or need to fine-tune your character's stats more. Heavy-hitting snipers usually go full Stamina, so they naturally have low Health. This makes them easy 1-vs-X targets, once you engage in the fight after recovering from the initial hit (pot, shield, ward - use them all). They usually regret shortly afterwards. Cheers!

dlepi24

F7sus4 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

F7sus4 wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

What's even worse is when they literally spam Focused Aim / Lethal Arrow... you look at your death cap and all you see is:







Their skill to continuously use one button amazes me.

Your skill to die to one-button player amazes me even more.

Could be 2 players? Like everyone says every stamina build spams snipe. Cou;d be ok one second next you get hit by 3-5 different attacks by players 43+ metres away spamming L1. You won't see these attacks as they're shot up into the air and you don't have time to react because they hit so fast ^^.

Just make the arrows more noticeably and it will be better, not balanced as spamming a skill from 43+ metres away so your out of interrupt range and 3 hitting people isn't exactly what i call balance... but nothing in this game is actually balanced.

All you need to do is to survive initial and potentially dismounting shot. If you don't, then you either lack proper response skills or need to fine-tune your character's stats more. Heavy-hitting snipers usually go full Stamina, so they naturally have low Health. This makes them easy 1-vs-X targets, once you engage in the fight after recovering from the initial hit (pot, shield, ward - use them all). They usually regret shortly afterwards. Cheers!

I'm pretty sure the OP is on console. From what I've noticed, by the time you realize you're being sniped the next 3 have already hit. The server lag on console is reminiscent of macro users on PC. The only way I've been able to "save" myself is to use DK reflect as soon as the white beam shows up that lets you know you've been sniped. The damage doesn't tick until the 3rd hits. I can't complain too much though. I used to use a stam night blade and just sat back and sniped, too. Once I actually learned how to kill someone and not just hide behind a tree like a loser I switched my build and actually had fun out smarting other players in combat while they actually had a chance and could see me.

starkerealm

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Sick of being randomly hit for 9k arrows from 43+ metres away. It's literally all any stamina build does, it's so annoying. It'd be able to block or dodge it better if the thing wasn't nearly invisible and spam able that before you realise your being snipes you've been hit 3 times and are dead.

Make it obvious that its being show all the other high dmg skills are obvious.

The point of sniping is to not be seen,working as intended

The point of sniping is a long range attack, being seen or not doesn't matter.

No, the point of sniping is to kill someone. Based on your comments, it looks like it's working just fine.

Junkogen

I see the "spamming one ability" complaint a lot, but if you consider how the skill bars are designed a player only has 5 options to choose from and often other spots are occupied by utility or buff abilities. I don't know where you all are getting your extra slots (maybe you're all sorcs with your overpowered 3rd bar), but I often spam one ability as that's the only good offensive ability I have.

Mojmir

Junkogen wrote: »

I see the "spamming one ability" complaint a lot, but if you consider how the skill bars are designed a player only has 5 options to choose from and often other spots are occupied by utility or buff abilities. I don't know where you all are getting your extra slots (maybe you're all sorcs with your overpowered 3rd bar), but I often spam one ability as that's the only good offensive ability I have.

With so many broken skills,nerfs,key locking, lag,I don't blame anyone for spamming.

failkiwib16_ESO

Junkogen wrote: »

I see the "spamming one ability" complaint a lot, but if you consider how the skill bars are designed a player only has 5 options to choose from and often other spots are occupied by utility or buff abilities. I don't know where you all are getting your extra slots (maybe you're all sorcs with your overpowered 3rd bar), but I often spam one ability as that's the only good offensive ability I have.

That can work out, however I prefer to have 1 heal skill on both bars and 1 support ability, the remaining 3 slots on each bar goes to offensive skills.

CaptainObvious

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifmRgQX82O4

leepalmer95

Junkogen wrote: »

I see the "spamming one ability" complaint a lot, but if you consider how the skill bars are designed a player only has 5 options to choose from and often other spots are occupied by utility or buff abilities. I don't know where you all are getting your extra slots (maybe you're all sorcs with your overpowered 3rd bar), but I often spam one ability as that's the only good offensive ability I have.

2 bars is still 10 skills, then if you factor in the high end pvp players usually light weave or such in between attacks, bash/block/dodge animation cancel and such as well makes pvp so much better.

Where as when people just repeatedly use the same skill... Literallly L1, L1, L1, L1 ... it's not an excuse ^^

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Sick of being randomly hit for 9k arrows from 43+ metres away. It's literally all any stamina build does, it's so annoying. It'd be able to block or dodge it better if the thing wasn't nearly invisible and spam able that before you realise your being snipes you've been hit 3 times and are dead.

Make it obvious that its being show all the other high dmg skills are obvious.

The point of sniping is to not be seen,working as intended

The point of sniping is a long range attack, being seen or not doesn't matter.

No, the point of sniping is to kill someone. Based on your comments, it looks like it's working just fine.

The point of sniping is to do damage at range which it does, but when peoples entire play style revolves around spamming an ability that it extremely hard to see... something is obviously wrong. All i'm saying is making the arrow more see able so people can react to it.

Though i don't know why i bothered replying to you, it's useless to even acknowledge you exist on this forum.


Should increase the charge time if you spam the skill, e.g. 1 second for the first attack, 1.5s for the second, 2s for the third, gives people time to react and will make people use more than 1 skill.

Troneon

Lower the damage, put a cooldown on the skill, increase the resource cost and triple it if used too many times in a row.... make it look like jesus beam so it's impossible to miss....

Then maybe those players will switch to a build that actually requires some player skill instead of spam macro one skill in complete safety with no risk...

starkerealm

leepalmer95 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Sick of being randomly hit for 9k arrows from 43+ metres away. It's literally all any stamina build does, it's so annoying. It'd be able to block or dodge it better if the thing wasn't nearly invisible and spam able that before you realise your being snipes you've been hit 3 times and are dead.

Make it obvious that its being show all the other high dmg skills are obvious.

The point of sniping is to not be seen,working as intended

The point of sniping is a long range attack, being seen or not doesn't matter.

No, the point of sniping is to kill someone. Based on your comments, it looks like it's working just fine.

The point of sniping is to do damage at range which it does, but when peoples entire play style revolves around spamming an ability that it extremely hard to see... something is obviously wrong. All i'm saying is making the arrow more see able so people can react to it.

Though i don't know why i bothered replying to you, it's useless to even acknowledge you exist on this forum.


Should increase the charge time if you spam the skill, e.g. 1 second for the first attack, 1.5s for the second, 2s for the third, gives people time to react and will make people use more than 1 skill.

Given how long the cast time is on Snipe, if you're dying to multiple shots from that, then... yeah, there's nothing that can help you. You've got plenty of time to pop a heal or potion, or even just bring up a barrier after the first shot connects. Or you've got an especially terrible connection. I mean, that's possible too. But if someone's hitting you with three or four snipes, and nothing else? Yeah, then you had a long time to see that death coming.

dlepi24

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Sick of being randomly hit for 9k arrows from 43+ metres away. It's literally all any stamina build does, it's so annoying. It'd be able to block or dodge it better if the thing wasn't nearly invisible and spam able that before you realise your being snipes you've been hit 3 times and are dead.

Make it obvious that its being show all the other high dmg skills are obvious.

The point of sniping is to not be seen,working as intended

The point of sniping is a long range attack, being seen or not doesn't matter.

No, the point of sniping is to kill someone. Based on your comments, it looks like it's working just fine.

The point of sniping is to do damage at range which it does, but when peoples entire play style revolves around spamming an ability that it extremely hard to see... something is obviously wrong. All i'm saying is making the arrow more see able so people can react to it.

Though i don't know why i bothered replying to you, it's useless to even acknowledge you exist on this forum.


Should increase the charge time if you spam the skill, e.g. 1 second for the first attack, 1.5s for the second, 2s for the third, gives people time to react and will make people use more than 1 skill.

Given how long the cast time is on Snipe, if you're dying to multiple shots from that, then... yeah, there's nothing that can help you. You've got plenty of time to pop a heal or potion, or even just bring up a barrier after the first shot connects. Or you've got an especially terrible connection. I mean, that's possible too. But if someone's hitting you with three or four snipes, and nothing else? Yeah, then you had a long time to see that death coming.

The problem is on console 70% of the time there is no way of knowing you're being sniped until 3 of them hit you. Based on their weapon damage/crit % and your health, it's insta-gib for a lot of people.