Allow stamina regeneration while blocking

Swarog

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Combat & Gameplay
General

• You will no longer regenerate stamina while blocking.

This is the worst change for me as tank. I prefer it will be removed.
It was very hard to make enough stamina after 1.6. I've received more serious problem with stamina in 2.1.

P.S.:
Maybe my feelings about stamina acquired due to very high lags (ping: 300 - 10,000).

Jules

Swarog wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Combat & Gameplay
General

• You will no longer regenerate stamina while blocking.

This is the worst change for me as tank. I prefer it will be removed.
It was very hard to make enough stamina after 1.6. I've received more serious problem with stamina in 2.1.

P.S.:
Maybe my feelings about stamina acquired due to very high lags (ping: 300 - 10,000).

I think a 50% reduction in stam regen is much more reasonable.
They won't leave us as is, but the proposed 0 stam regen when blocking seems insane and overboard. Maybe they'll tweak this.

Swarog

I understand why it's done such a way. Tanks in PvP may cast while holding block and it's difficult to kill them. But tank has low DPS to be dungerous to others. This nerf should be removed completely as it was before.

xaraan

The lag will make it completely broken.

How do I block for a charge when I get stunned as soon as the player activates the skill and not when they get to me. This means I cannot react to what I see and raise block to block the charge. So I waste stam trying to block, waste stam standing back up with break free and waste stam blocking their assault as they try and take advantage of the knock down - all while getting no recovery.

Even now, I'll block stuff I can see coming like a shard and raise my shield up, it hits my shield and still knocks me down b/c of latency.

CC is already too important in this game and the no stam thing just makes it more so.

Swarog

Very quick stamina regeneration may be allowed while staying without block in addition to zero stamina regeneration under block. It may be passive ability in One Hand and Sword line to realize such behavior.

kkravaritieb17_ESO

This change is just stupid.

Maulkin

Well in PvP with the right build you could already lock forever and that was only going to become more prevalent as people get more & more CPs. Hell, even with a light armor build you can block forever if you have enough CPs (just put CPs to block cost reduction and when you mana sustain is no longer an issue, use block cost reduction enchants on jewls). So as resource sustain became less and less trivial you could focus on getting your damage up while being behind block.

Like with Bolt Escape and roll-dodge, something needed to be done. But I thought from the start that completely removing regen was pretty harsh. Maybe a 50% reduction would be better.

Swarog

My current preferences:

• Best solution - normal stamina regeneration as before PTS.
• Good solution - very fast regeneration without block and zero regeneration under block to keep 2.1 idea alive.
• Worst solution - leave 50% regeneration under block because it's not enough and equal to zero regeneration in limit.

Vatter

I 100% AGREE with the decision to make no stamina regen while blocking. when a stamina user can tank 8+ players for 4 to 5 mins by themselves theres a problem.

KEEP THE NO STAMINA REGEN WHILE BLOCKING PLEASE!!

Swarog

Vatter, I think you aren't tank. Try to tank without stamina regeneration before saying this. Be objective.

OGLezard

Ran into a lot of permablockers in pvp, they dont seem to have issues

Tannus15

Vatter wrote: »

I 100% AGREE with the decision to make no stamina regen while blocking. when a stamina user can tank 8+ players for 4 to 5 mins by themselves theres a problem.

KEEP THE NO STAMINA REGEN WHILE BLOCKING PLEASE!!

This is a PvP issue which can be addressed in PvP without breaking Tanking in PvE.

They could make it so player attacks cost twice as much stamona to block as monster attacks, for example.

It's very disheartening to see one of the major play styles so drastically nerfed because of how it plays in only 1 part of the game.

Swarog

PvP tanks is not a problem. They live long but doesn't hurts you. Their DPS is too low.
If tanks will be nerfed such a way on PvP. I don't know how to play without survivability and DPS. Are you joking?

OGLezard

@Swarog here you go, enjoy the new set. it will fix your problem


http://i.imgur.com/GIgAOoF.png

Swarog

This set just helps a bit but doesn't solve the problem.
My tank may loose full stamina even on live now. Any stamina regeneration reduction should be prohibited.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

I Agree with OP, but make it so you are unable to cast/use Abilities when Blocking..

If ZOS can make it where abilities do not work when you are sprinting, then they can make it the same when you are Blocking..

OGLezard

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

I Agree with OP, but make it so you are unable to cast/use Abilities when Blocking..

If ZOS can make it where abilities do not work when you are sprinting, then they can make it the same when you are Blocking..

god so much this sadly it wont happen

Swarog

Zero stamina regeneration under block will vanish tanks from the game.
Doesn't you afraid to stay without tanks anymore?
Are you ready to be tank?

Elsonso

Has anyone actually checked to see if Stamina really does not regen while blocking?

Pirhana7_ESO

Use that Black Rose set and perma block again. But to do that you have to sacrifice another set bonus. I thinks its fair

Joy_Division

Swarog wrote: »

PvP tanks is not a problem. They live long but doesn't hurts you. Their DPS is too low.

You need to get out to Cyrodiil more often ....

bosmern_ESO

I prefer tanking this way, you have to actually think being a tank instead of holding your shield up and spam cast one ability, it was really boring and anyone could be a good tank.

ZoM_Head

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

I Agree with OP, but make it so you are unable to cast/use Abilities when Blocking..

If ZOS can make it where abilities do not work when you are sprinting, then they can make it the same when you are Blocking..

So, you want tanks to use puncture while blocking NOT allowed? Or green dragon blood? or razor armour? or absorb magicka? or pop their ulti? in the face of a boss/trail/mantikora, conjured axes? really?

Rinmaethodain

"0 stamina regeneration while blocking" is some sick plan to cripple every tank in the PVE

Is this some kind of plan to cater every whim of PVPers? Because everyone know its them who complain every time they cant kill someone with one shot macro?

Tanking right now on live server is nothing near boring. Actually stripping tanks from their right to have stamina regeneration will make tanking boring after 1.7

Against popular belief, tanks do not only taunt and hold block. They also sprint to run from AOE circles, dodge roll to avoid big AOEs.

They are usually the last one standing when whole group goes down. They are capable of resing people even if attacked by multiple mobs while standing in AOE. They can survive alone long enough to charge an ultimate with high damage shield (leap or magma shell) and bring whole party back to game.

But not anymore. Thanks to ZOS "0 stamina regen while blocking" now every bit of tank stamina will be precious and spent only on blocking attacks.
No more rolling, no more dodging, no more sprinting to save party members who went down.

Only NOW thanks to "0 stamina regen while blocking" nerf, tanking will become boring and not possible for those who are not in the 1% of know every mechanic without looking at boss.

If you think its not true, and you still are a tank then you probably spent last 50 dungeon runs with your special selected group of perfect DPSes and Healers doing your perfect runs and your group chat was full of "FTC report player X on enemy Y DPS OVER 9000!!". And of course when your perfect run didnt go as planned, one dps got killed then everyone on chat started crying "wipe wipe" because its not like, a party can get up in middle of fight and recover from that situation? No, in the perfect world boss dies in 30 seconds and if not whole party suicides to restart. I know runs like that, with sick DPS tanks do become "taunt and block". But you cant think that EVERYONE runs in PERFECT party.

Try running a 100% pug with people who never been in that dungeon, see how "boring" tanking is. Take some random s with you and teach them. See how it goes.

"0 stamina regeneration while blocking" is unjustified nerf that will hurt all current and future tanks in ESO. Soon every capital city: "over 9000 DPS lf1m tank" becuase who wants to play a role that:

1st. Wont be able to tank because is constantly running out of stamina
2nd. Cant kill anything because TANK is not a DPS (dont mistake tank with a: full stam build dps with sword and board or any other role with a taunt)

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

I prefer tanking this way, you have to actually think being a tank instead of holding your shield up and spam cast one ability, it was really boring and anyone could be a good tank.

Another person spreading false rumours of "tanks being boring"

Rinmaethodain

ZOS already proved they CAN make certain things happen ONLY in CYRIODIIL and PVP.

If they INSIST on "0 stamina regeneration while blocking" make it PVP ONLY as part of Battle Spirit buff.

Mojmir

As if finding a pug tank wasn't hard enough

Cathexis

Stupid changes IMO, should at least regen if you stand still like stealth.

Lionxoft

0 stam regen while blocking is a great change. Love it.

Rinmaethodain

Lionxoft wrote: »

0 stam regen while blocking is a great change. Love it.

Said all alliance PVPer with his NB who is happy probably just because he can now stealth one shot kill anyone including tanks who cant block anymore.

I hope zos will listen to people who are actually affected by this unjustified nerf, not to people who are happy of it just because it brings misfortune to other.

Personofsecrets

Swarog wrote: »

PvP tanks is not a problem. They live long but doesn't hurts you. Their DPS is too low.
If tanks will be nerfed such a way on PvP. I don't know how to play without survivability and DPS. Are you joking?

there is no way, tanks aren't allowed to play.

champion points and attributes which force tanks to play a certain way in pve that is totally unplayable in pvp is a catch 22 for us. The developers think that players can go straight from pve into pvp without changing much. With many play styles, but especially with tanks, they are wrong, they are wrong, they are wrong. The stamina regeneration nerf cements this.

Lionxoft

MaximusDargus wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

0 stam regen while blocking is a great change. Love it.

Said all alliance PVPer with his NB who is happy probably just because he can now stealth one shot kill anyone including tanks who cant block anymore.

I hope zos will listen to people who are actually affected by this unjustified nerf, not to people who are happy of it just because it brings misfortune to other.

I tank actually and I think it's in a spot where it's lot more interesting than where it was. I'm not into the whole one shot meta. Don't be so presumptuous. Maybe you don't like it because you can't make a decent build?