New AvA Skill Line Requirements

Paulington

Hey all.

Just haven't seen these numbers anywhere yet so wanted to let people know the new AP requirements for the Assault/Support skill trees.

Rank 1: 0 - 700 AP
Rank 2: 700 - 8,000 AP
Rank 3: 8,000 - 37,300 AP
Rank 4: 37,300 - 90,000 AP
Rank 5: 90,000 - 150,000 AP
Rank 6: 150,000 - 210,000 AP
Rank 7: 210,000 - 300,000 AP
Rank 8: 300,000 - 450,000 AP
Rank 9: 450,000 - 670,000 AP
Rank 10: 670,000 AP.

This means if you are AvA Rank (not skill, RANK) 8 or above on Live you will get Proxy. If you are AvA Rank 11.5 (or so) on live then you will max out the Alliance War skill trees when this goes live providing nothing changes.

Cagro

What about if I am level 4? Can I get Purge and Vigor?

Paulington

Cagro wrote: »

What about if I am level 4? Can I get Purge and Vigor?

Rank 4 AVA is ~88,000 AP so assuming you're actually a little bit over that (2k more) you will be Assault/Support rank 5.

RoyJade

A big thanks for these numbers !

I will unlock proxy det on my eight character at the same time

code65536

Not sure how I feel about this. While it'd be nice to be able to get det far more easily on my alts, it won't have that same feeling of accomplishment as when I finally got det on my main.

Decado

I'm pretty sure that will give me prox det on most my characters and maxed on alot

vortexman11

That.... thats less than 10% of what is needed now for rank 10.. Thats less than one week of PvP..

Xendyn

Hey @Enodoc here it is.

asneakybanana

Paulington wrote: »

Hey all.

Just haven't seen these numbers anywhere yet so wanted to let people know the new AP requirements for the Assault/Support skill trees.

Rank 1: 0 - 700 AP
Rank 2: 700 - 8,000 AP
Rank 3: 8,000 - 37,300 AP
Rank 4: 37,300 - 90,000 AP
Rank 5: 90,000 - 150,000 AP
Rank 6: 150,000 - 210,000 AP
Rank 7: 210,000 - 300,000 AP
Rank 8: 300,000 - 450,000 AP
Rank 9: 450,000 - 670,000 AP
Rank 10: 670,000 AP.

This means if you are AvA Rank (not skill, RANK) 8 or above on Live you will get Proxy. If you are AvA Rank 11.5 (or so) on live then you will max out the Alliance War skill trees when this goes live providing nothing changes.

Wow that is waaaaay too little ap getting assault 10 should be a long term goal not something that can be done in a week. I thibk if they made it 2 alliance ranks per assault level instead of 3 that would be enough. You would get it at ar 16 instead of 24 and ar 16 requires a couple mill ap which isn't an insane amount but something that can definitely be worked towards as a long term goal.

Enodoc

Xendyn wrote: »

Hey @Enodoc here it is.

Thanks @Xendyn! These numbers are weird. I would prefer it if they kept them in line with Alliance War rank numbers.

Tyrion87

I'm not sure if I understand this properly. So if my alliance rank is veteran (the title) grade 1, I will get access to mag detonation?

Ghost-Shot

Way too little effort to gain powerful abilities like prox det, battle res, and combat frenzy. Very poor design choice @ZOS_BrianWheeler. Please stop making this game easier every update.

code65536

Tyrion87 wrote: »

I'm not sure if I understand this properly. So if my alliance rank is veteran (the title) grade 1, I will get access to mag detonation?

Yes. Actually, Legionary Grade 2 will get it now.

Enodoc wrote: »

Xendyn wrote: »

Hey @Enodoc here it is.

Thanks @Xendyn! These numbers are weird. I would prefer it if they kept them in line with Alliance War rank numbers.

I agree! As a compromise, they should've made it every 2 AvA ranks, instead of every 3 AvA ranks. And that way, it can line up neatly with each insignia/title change.

Please, @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_RichLambert compromise and make Support/Assault 4-10 happen at AvA 5, 7, 9, ..., 17. This will ease the Support/Assault progression without making it too much of a cakewalk, and it will line up very nicely with the insignia/title/achievements, to give each titled rank progression up to Lieutenant more meaning. (Also, this means that each skill rank-up will still coincide with a new skill point, which simply makes a lot of sense.)

Skinzz

Enjoy our pvp abilities now u pve'rs. Now gtfo of cyrodiil

Enodoc

code65536 wrote: »

Tyrion87 wrote: »

I'm not sure if I understand this properly. So if my alliance rank is veteran (the title) grade 1, I will get access to mag detonation?

Yes. Actually, Legionary Grade 2 will get it now.

Enodoc wrote: »

Xendyn wrote: »

Hey Enodoc here it is.

Thanks Xendyn! These numbers are weird. I would prefer it if they kept them in line with Alliance War rank numbers.

I agree! As a compromise, they should've made it every 2 AvA ranks, instead of every 3 AvA ranks. And that way, it can line up neatly with each insignia/title change.

Please, @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_RichLambert compromise and make Support/Assault 4-10 happen at AvA 5, 7, 9, ..., 17. This will ease the Support/Assault progression without making it too much of a cakewalk, and it will line up very nicely with the insignia/title/achievements, to give each titled rank progression up to Lieutenant more meaning. (Also, this means that each skill rank-up will still coincide with a new skill point, which simply makes a lot of sense.)

Agreed. I was coming to the same conclusion that every 2 ranks up to 17 would be a good balance. It's still a 3-fold reduction from what it is on Live now; it's not as ridiculously low as 670k, but it's not as high as 6.9 mil either. That would take 2-3 months at ~30k per night, rather than over half a year now, which I think is reasonable balance of time for maxing a skill line. (Is 30k a night realistic? I don't pay much attention to the numbers, but someone mentioned that value elsewhere.)

Paulington

Honestly I like this. PvP players can grind Undaunted skills in one night so why do PvP skills take so much longer to get? It takes the grind out of grinding new characters because even if it only takes 2-3 months that's still 2-3 months per character which is just insane.

Now it's a few weeks of casual PvP and I think that's a nice setup.

Docmandu

Paulington wrote: »

Honestly I like this. PvP players can grind Undaunted skills in one night

Really? Please elaborate please... highest I have on any character is undaunted 3 :-)

Skinzz

I can get 670k ap in one night. These changes are ridiculous. Destiny 2.0 is what this game is gonna become real soon. Cater to the casuals some more why not.

Rex-Umbra

Can I see the old values to compare? I am first sergeant what rank is that and will my rank get bumped up or not change?

Junipus

I believe that rank 10 AvA is at rank 24 PvP (centurion grade 2 I think) which is around 6 million AP.

As first sargeant you should get all the abilities and passives afaik

themdogesbite

Rex-Umbra wrote: »

Can I see the old values to compare? I am first sergeant what rank is that and will my rank get bumped up or not change?

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Alliance_Points

Enodoc

Rex-Umbra wrote: »

Can I see the old values to compare? I am first sergeant what rank is that and will my rank get bumped up or not change?

@Rex-Umbra Over here -> http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Alliance_Points

Jaronking

Paulington wrote: »

Hey all.

Just haven't seen these numbers anywhere yet so wanted to let people know the new AP requirements for the Assault/Support skill trees.

Rank 1: 0 - 700 AP
Rank 2: 700 - 8,000 AP
Rank 3: 8,000 - 37,300 AP
Rank 4: 37,300 - 90,000 AP
Rank 5: 90,000 - 150,000 AP
Rank 6: 150,000 - 210,000 AP
Rank 7: 210,000 - 300,000 AP
Rank 8: 300,000 - 450,000 AP
Rank 9: 450,000 - 670,000 AP
Rank 10: 670,000 AP.

This means if you are AvA Rank (not skill, RANK) 8 or above on Live you will get Proxy. If you are AvA Rank 11.5 (or so) on live then you will max out the Alliance War skill trees when this goes live providing nothing changes.

This is ridiculous this is way to low.You should have to alliance ranks their basically just handing them out to people.

Bromburak

A terrible change for Cyrodiil.

But thats how it is today, "no pain no gain" doesn't mean anything in ESO.
I hope all the PvE AP leechers will stay in the non CP campaign and leave us PvP Vets alone.

Qyrk

Rex-Umbra wrote: »

Can I see the old values to compare? I am first sergeant what rank is that and will my rank get bumped up or not change?

Your rank will not get bumped up. The only difference now is the AvA skill line progression is much faster.

AddictionX

WOW thats like a week of pvp to max out alliance skill tree!

Shadesofkin

That's excellent news for me.

Beastnas

Good changes. Alliance Rank 50 or Emperor are long term goals, not skills and passives to be competitive.

Aleraon

xskinzcity wrote: »

Enjoy our pvp abilities now u pve'rs. Now gtfo of cyrodiil

Enjoy our pve gear and monster sets hehe

Ourorboros

Feels a little insulting after having just spending a month or so to reach 1st Sgt. If I keep earning AP at my current rate, I'll be near rank 50 after the conversion. Whining won't help though. Instead, I'll set my sights on all those PVEers, and try to make sure it's not TOO easy for them to get their AP.

Mojmir

cry if they leave cry if they come, stop with the entitlement BS.
all skills in the game should be easier to get,its not about the skills anyways,its how good you are with them.