Mannimarco LOCKING important game features, AND almost impossible.

class101

@vanderghast maybe provide a video of your fight so people can help you what is done wrong

aipex8_ESO

What do mean by saying it's not okay to have a hard encounter that unlocks game features? Are you suggesting that all the main story quests (those that unlock VR zones) be easy and only have difficult quests/bosses for the optional side content?

And maybe I'm not remembering the main quest line well enough (since I didn't have too much of a problem with it and am now on to vet stuff) but how have you already beaten Molag Bal if you can't get past Mannimarco? If you mean you destroyed the Planar Vortex at the end of the Coldharbour questline, you still have to go back and actually fight Molag Bal as part of the main questline.

Also, you do have to fight a Harvester solo (Lyris doppelganger) as part of the main questline which UNLOCKS (all in caps for some reason) content.

vanderghast

It seems (can be wrong, if so, tell me!!!) that you need to speak to Caldwells to unlock VR content, even when you are Veteran, even when you have defeated Molag. And you CANNOT speak to Caldwells if Mannimarco quest is NOT DONE. REMOVE that constraint and I am an happy camper! I don't care about defeating Mannimarco, otherwise!

czar

you have to beat mannimarco and the rest of the main quest line to continue to veteran zones. doubt they'll change anything just for you so you might as well just accept that

Dekkameron

The word impossible is thrown around too much i feel.

Yankee

vanderghast wrote: »

It seems (can be wrong, if so, tell me!!!) that you need to speak to Caldwells to unlock VR content, even when you are Veteran, even when you have defeated Molag. And you CANNOT speak to Caldwells if Mannimarco quest is NOT DONE. REMOVE that constraint and I am an happy camper! I don't care about defeating Mannimarco, otherwise!

That would be fine with me. Just promise to be happy and not to make another angry thread if solo VR content does not meet your difficulty expectations.

It is possible your current build will not work there very well either. I know the one I leveled to 50 with had to be adjusted for me to stay (mostly) alive.

Edit: Did you say you already beat Molag? If so, it seemed to me Molag was harder than Mannimarco.

ruzlb16_ESO

vanderghast wrote: »

By the way, I am not level 40, I am Veteran 1. Locked there.... because of Mannimarco. And, by the way, the game is really easy, otherwise (except for Mannimarco, and SoulHarvesters, but SoulHarvesters ARE not an obligation to be defeated SOLO, and don't unlock game feature

Dude, no offense intended here, but if you're struggling with a level 40 quest on a Vet 1 Sorc then the problem is most definitely on your side of the keyboard. Mannimarco at 40 was a tough fight - I had to hold off to level 43 or so on my own sorc to kill him - but if you can't down him with 10 levels on him, then you're not really ready for vet content anyway, where the majority of world bosses are considerably tougher than him (and yet still soloable on an equivalent-level sorc).
Experiment with what's on your skillbar, since if no-one else with a sorc has been stuck on him for ten levels it's pretty clear you're doing something wrong. Try using a different ultimate. Maybe skill some different utility skills in rather than the pure DPS. Hell, maybe even try using a pet to hold aggro or something. But what you're describing goes beyond overly difficult content and into the realm of 'something deeply wrong with his play style'.

elemdor

You don't want to listen ADVICES from other players, you don't even ASK for help in fact, just CRY because it's too hard for you and ask for something easier.
But MOST PLAYER don't want a nerf of mannimarco, he already got nerfed compared to the beta version , and MOST PLAYER don't want a trash mob that you could kill with one hand in your...
Damn it's Mannimarco, not some random guy.
See him as a test to access the game feature you spoke about, if you can't kill him there is no use trying to go further. And if you can't understand that there is no use in continuing this discusion.

freespirit

Just do this, copied from another thread.............

Well i'm just gonna put this out there if you can't beat him it's cheap but what you can do is hit him a couple of times then as soon as he teleports run away back up to where the door is and go stealthed, the npc's will start attacking him and bringing his health down to a more manageable level, wait a little while then come back out and kill him. I did this when I got to him on my first build which I ganked horribly (was pretty much a pvp only build) and didn't have the gold to respec. Cheap but if you're having trouble it works.

czar

elemdor wrote: »

You don't want to listen ADVICES from other players, you don't even ASK for help in fact, just CRY because it's too hard for you and ask for something easier.
But MOST PLAYER don't want a nerf of mannimarco, he already got nerfed compared to the beta version , and MOST PLAYER don't want a trash mob that you could kill with one hand in your...
Damn it's Mannimarco, not some random guy.
See him as a test to access the game feature you spoke about, if you can't kill him there is no use trying to go further. And if you can't understand that there is no use in continuing this discusion.

you don't understand, he doesn't want to beat mannimarco. he just wants to continue the game

Reenlister

schip wrote: »

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elemdor wrote: »

You don't want to listen ADVICES from other players, you don't even ASK for help in fact, just CRY because it's too hard for you and ask for something easier.
But MOST PLAYER don't want a nerf of mannimarco, he already got nerfed compared to the beta version , and MOST PLAYER don't want a trash mob that you could kill with one hand in your...
Damn it's Mannimarco, not some random guy.
See him as a test to access the game feature you spoke about, if you can't kill him there is no use trying to go further. And if you can't understand that there is no use in continuing this discusion.

you don't understand, he doesn't want to beat mannimarco. he just wants to continue the game

Yes, he wants to continue the game, by not doing a game requirement, since it is to hard for him.
But all the while refusing to accept any advice, or the fact that we all had to do this thing, since, you know, its the story line.
Plus he fails to listen, or understand that if he cant do this thing, then he is really going to be in a hurt in the vet areas, so we can all expect to hear more about how hard everything is and it must be the game and not his play style.

vanderghast

And the advices from other players mostly imply a major rebuild (which I can't, locked at Veteran level 1 without new stuff available to me) when they are not in total contradiction ( stay at his face from one player, and stay away with AoE from another player). My airplane does not work well in water, even less as a submarine. So what?

And THE POINT is not about to defeat the actual Mannimarco, like schip mentioned, but to UNLOCK the features of the game, the IMPORTANT features, in an MMO game (not in a SOLO game).

czar

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schip wrote: »

elemdor wrote: »

You don't want to listen ADVICES from other players, you don't even ASK for help in fact, just CRY because it's too hard for you and ask for something easier.
But MOST PLAYER don't want a nerf of mannimarco, he already got nerfed compared to the beta version , and MOST PLAYER don't want a trash mob that you could kill with one hand in your...
Damn it's Mannimarco, not some random guy.
See him as a test to access the game feature you spoke about, if you can't kill him there is no use trying to go further. And if you can't understand that there is no use in continuing this discusion.

you don't understand, he doesn't want to beat mannimarco. he just wants to continue the game

Yes, he wants to continue the game, by not doing a game requirement, since it is to hard for him.
But all the while refusing to accept any advice, or the fact that we all had to do this thing, since, you know, its the story line.
Plus he fails to listen, or understand that if he cant do this thing, then he is really going to be in a hurt in the vet areas, so we can all expect to hear more about how hard everything is and it must be the game and not his play style.

sure but trying to tell someone something they don't want to hear is like talking to a wall

snowmanflvb14_ESO

vanderghast wrote: »

In a GAME, why the designers would place an almost impossible quest to do, for some classes, on the only road to UNLOCK important features in the game? Make a quest almost impossible to succeed to obtain some nice gear, fine with me, but here, MANNIMARCO is locking the game features themselves!

IS that supposed to be a GAME or what?

SOMETHING has to be done! That is a SERIOUS FLAW in that ... game.

It is a hard fight took me 3 tries to get him but he is gettable. It is not a game flaw at all. In fact I would say it is one of the nice features of this game that it is challenging. You can not just face roll the boss ala WoW in this game.

Yankee

vanderghast wrote: »

And the advices from other players mostly imply a major rebuild (which I can't, locked at Veteran level 1 without new stuff available to me) when they are not in total contradiction ( stay at his face from one player, and stay away with AoE from another player). My airplane does not work well in water. So what?

And THE POINT is not about to defeat the actual Mannimarco, like schip mentioned, but to UNLOCK the features of the game, the IMPORTANT features, in an MMO game (not in a SOLO game).

Well they may continue to nerf him, but I doubt they will change the game to let you skip him. So you probably have to wait until the possibility of further nerfs if you are done trying to beat him.

seneferab16_ESO

But how are you going to play those IMPORTANT features if you can't even kill a boss 10 levels lower than you. Do you have any idea how hard Veteran content is?

I am also having a hard time understanding how you could have spent so many skillpoints on so many useless abilities that the fight is impossible without a respec.
I am pretty sure that you haven't, and that if you take some time, calm down, and look through what you got you will find the key to defeating him.

I have seen many many Veteran level sorcs, and if they can do it, so can you. Maybe whisper one you see in the game and ask how he/she did it?

vanderghast

Veteran is not an obligation to be SOLO.

And, AGAIN, Molag... nasodigitally, with THE same build. So, it may be hard for you, and piece of cake for me, and vice-versa for other encounter.

Again, this game is not about SOLO play.

My complaint is not about difficulty of encounters for OPTIONAL quests.

richardb16_ESO37

If you think that is hard, try Molag Bal as a Vampire Templar with no AOE.

Reenlister

So basically, your still just saying you don't like it, and thus it must be fixed since you gimped yourself so bad you cant do it. ( Which again, you posted you had finally finished it )
What did you expect from ESO. It was never a secret that the main story line was quest driven.
So out of all the people here, who have had to do these things, and have spoken to you here about how they did it, you are quite the vocal minority in screaming it must be all wrong.
So it has requirements for solo bosses.
Big deal, those are how you can really see if your viable to continue.
If you want to be group play in every single instance of what you do here, then you have truly come to the wrong game.
I am sure you will find more of what you want in the Crag, so yet again, good luck to you.

czar

vanderghast wrote: »

And, AGAIN, Molag... nasodigitally, with THE same build. So, it may be hard for you, and piece of cake for me, and vice-versa for other encounter.

thing is, you haven't beaten molag yet. you encounter him again after coldharbour in the main quest line

Weberda

Ah, that's where he is confused. He thinks Cold Harbor is the final fight with Molag. Boy, is he in for a surprise. I can't wait for the thread on that.

vanderghast

@Reenlister: What I "am just saying" is that a quest which has nothing to do with the theme of the game (solo, vs mmo) is locking game's features. I don't care about that quest all by itself. As example, just have to remove the requirement to do it in order to unlock Veteran content.

No parternalism required.

vanderghast

The "OP", me, is not trolling, and dear Leonardo, go to hell.

Where is the *plunk* option in this forum?

Loxy37

Give up guys and gals. This guy doesn't want to listen to people that's actually trying to help and have beaten him multiple times on multiple classes.

seneferab16_ESO

So you did Molly with the same build? You do realise they're not the same fight, yes? And that flexibility is good. Is this what your issue is all along, that you refuse to change your build?

I did him as a NB hybrid healer for crying out loud. My only AoE was Circle of Protection, and the companions had better dps than me. I died twice, but with some tweaking of my abilities he was very doable. Just keep moving and dodge roll (or better: teleport) away when he teleports to you.

Have you asked someone for help with your build or are you just stubbornly rushing in head first because well, it worked on Molly?

czar

vanderghast wrote: »

@Reenlister: What I "am just saying" is that a quest which has nothing to do with the theme of the game (solo, vs mmo) is locking game's features. I don't care about that quest all by itself. As example, just have to remove the requirement to do it in order to unlock Veteran content.

No parternalism required.

as i said, they won't change it. beat mannimarco or you won't be able to continue the game.

vanderghast

@Loxy37: that is a process of intention. And proves that you didn't read my post (or that I am really bad in saying that there is a game flaw by requiring to SOLO a quest in order to unlock important features in an MMO game!)

seneferab16_ESO

Weberda wrote: »

Ah, that's where he is confused. He thinks Cold Harbor is the final fight with Molag. Boy, is he in for a surprise. I can't wait for the thread on that.

Oh yes, haha. I thought he discovered some bug so you could skip a companion quest and go straight to the next one, but this makes much more sense.

Leovolao

vanderghast wrote: »

The "OP", me, is not trolling, and dear Leonardo, go to hell.

But dude, you must be trolling this good people trying to help you. You have not posted details about your build, not a video of your fight. You want Zeni to allow you into vet areas where any minor quest boss is harder than Manni. Sure you can group up, but who would want a VR Sorc that can't beat a level 40 boss? How is your group gonna do dungeons? What use could you have in a raid? Again, take the advice and respec (if you don't have 15k gold by vr1 then you are doing something else wrong)

Reenlister

vanderghast wrote: »

@Reenlister: What I "am just saying" is that a quest which has nothing to do with the theme of the game (solo, vs mmo) is locking game's features. I don't care about that quest all by itself. As example, just have to remove the requirement to do it in order to unlock Veteran content.

No parternalism required.

What you are failing in your just saying to understand is:
The story line involves this.
To access the Vet content you must have the story line. Or else there is no reason to be there.
If you could just skip it, then what would the point in getting to the vet areas be?
Or the quest at all?
It would simply become another MMO where you only needed levels to run around anywhere you want.
So you, again, are still just saying, you don't like the fact you must finish the quest line that provides the story line for the whole purpose of the game, and leads to the Vet areas and why you are there in the first place.
And yet again, I will STRESS to you, if you found the having to do this such an impossibility and ruined your play of the game, then you are really going to hate the V area.
I will add, I am really really glad you have to pass through the challenges of the quest line, since it is a nice way to ensure your able to actually be playable in the higher end areas.