Do you want a better trading system?
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SFBryan18
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Not necessarily global, but better than the current options of either spamming zone chat or joining a player owned trade guild.
Edited by SFBryan18 on September 4, 2014 7:26AM Do you want a better trading system? 247 votes
Yes, I want something better.
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144 votes
No, I like the current system.
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SFBryan18✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, I want something better.I would prefer the option of posting items for sale without depending on some other players guild.Edited by SFBryan18 on September 4, 2014 7:28AM13 -
ArRashid✭✭✭✭Yes, I want something better.With the number of players still playing, a global trade hub is needed. Otherwise there are dozens of dozens of "trading guilds" that have under 50 active members, and not even 1/4 of those post anything in their guild stores anyway.
2 months later I'm still missing about 30 items just for research, because they are quite impossible to get, unless you're willing to spend 10k+ gold per piece looking for them in chat.7 -
Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, I like the current system.Not necessarily global, but better than the current options of either spamming zone chat or joining a player owned trade guild.
There is another option: go to the market in a city and shop for the item at the kiosks. If you dont find it, try another city.
Kinda like a medieval shopping would work.11 -
SFBryan18✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, I want something better.
There is another option: go to the market in a city and shop for the item at the kiosks. If you dont find it, try another city.
Kinda like a medieval shopping would work.
For buying, but not for selling.5 -
Kuratla✭✭✭No, I like the current system.No. I'm making tons of gold in the current system. See no reason why others can't as well. I'm no genius when it comes to economics (real or MMO) but I can still make more gold than I can spend in ESO.V14 Templar Argonian Healer, V12 DK Orc Tank, V2 Sorcerer High Elf DPS, V1 Templar Breton DPS, V1 Nightblade Bosmer DPS, and 3 low levels.
Check out my ESO journal["http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/66004/kuratla-s-eso-journal"]2 -
SFBryan18✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, I want something better.No. I'm making tons of gold in the current system. See no reason why others can't as well. I'm no genius when it comes to economics (real or MMO) but I can still make more gold than I can spend in ESO.
Mostly because guilds have a 500 player limit, so not everyone will be lucky enough to get in the good ones. And just because the system works for a few players doesn't mean it works for everyone. Joining some other players guild is a hassle. The good ones usually have requirements to meet which I really don't want to deal with. I don't have a lot of time to play the game, and I would prefer playing it instead of spamming zone chat to sell items I find. Why should guilds be the only players who can post items for sale? It seems very selfish and I think it should be changed.8 -
ItsGlaive✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, I like the current system.The current system is more fun and immersive than any other auction system in any mmo I've played. It actually takes some research and, you know, involvement with other players to succeed - so much better than a cold, bloated and over inflated global AH.
I like that it's small economies, it means you have to shop around which again makes the experience a little less passive and a little more engaging.
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Flaming]Edited by ZOS_UlyssesW on September 4, 2014 4:56PMAllow cross-platform transfers and merges7 -
SFBryan18✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, I want something better.I don't mind shopping around, but I want to be able to post stuff for sale without depending on another players guild. This doesn't have to be done through a global auction house. It can be built into the current market without forcing us into random guilds. Here's an idea I had posted for one possible solution to the problem:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/127759/hirelings-and-kiosks-an-idea-for-the-smaller-merchantsEdited by SFBryan18 on September 4, 2014 9:21AM3 -
AshySamurai✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, I like the current system.@SFBryan18,
1. Guils are recruting all time. I dont know in good guilds I'm or in bad, but GM and officers often kick inactive users so guilds always have a few free spots.
2. Man, you want to sale, but you want to join guild, dont want to spam... If you want muscled body - you need to train it. You cant get it for free. Sure, you can go to gym or train yourself at home, but you need to do it anyway. If you want some money, you need to find a job. If you want to know, how programming on assembler, you need to learn hard. I want to tell, that it is the same thing - you want to sell items, so you have to pay for it by joining a guild or spamming.
3. And this system work pretty fine not for a few players, but IMO it's fine for most players.Make sweetrolls, not nerfs!4 -
SFBryan18✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, I want something better.
That's an assumption.AshySamurai wrote: »@SFBryan18,
3. And this system work pretty fine not for a few players, but IMO it's fine for most players.4 -
KhajitFurTrader✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No, I like the current system.Lost your arguments in other threads, now losing a poll about the same topic.
Please feel free to note sometime that what seems better to you is not necessarily better for everyone else who plays this game beside you, too.4 -
Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, I like the current system.
For buying, but not for selling.
It's true that a buyer has a wider selection as to where to shop, but even as a seller who is part of five quality trading guilds(who own at least two merchants) your wares are exposed to the general population at 10 separate vendors (assuming you are selling in bulk, and not a single unique item)4 -
SFBryan18✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, I want something better.
It's true that a buyer has a wider selection as to where to shop, but even as a seller who is part of five quality trading guilds(who own at least two merchants) your wares are exposed to the general population at 10 separate vendors (assuming you are selling in bulk, and not a single unique item)
Ok, tell me 5 trade guilds with merchant locations which I can just casually join without commitments.4 -
ItsGlaive✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, I like the current system.The three I already belong to? There are many, many out thereAllow cross-platform transfers and merges2 -
Kuratla✭✭✭No, I like the current system.
Mostly because guilds have a 500 player limit, so not everyone will be lucky enough to get in the good ones. And just because the system works for a few players doesn't mean it works for everyone. Joining some other players guild is a hassle. The good ones usually have requirements to meet which I really don't want to deal with. I don't have a lot of time to play the game, and I would prefer playing it instead of spamming zone chat to sell items I find. Why should guilds be the only players who can post items for sale? It seems very selfish and I think it should be changed.
So.... you are one of very few people in an MMO who isn't in a guild and you think we need to change everything around just for you? I'd say 99% of players are in guilds. Most players are in numerous trading guilds. It's not that hard to get into a good trading guild. My "good" trading guild, the one from which I am making millions of gold from the guild trader, isn't even nearly full.
I prefer to play the game instead of spamming zone chats as well. That's why I sell stuff in the guild trader. You are just unlucky to have not gotten into a guild with a guild trader yet or you aren't trying hard enough. Work harder.
V14 Templar Argonian Healer, V12 DK Orc Tank, V2 Sorcerer High Elf DPS, V1 Templar Breton DPS, V1 Nightblade Bosmer DPS, and 3 low levels.
Check out my ESO journal["http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/66004/kuratla-s-eso-journal"]3 -
Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, I like the current system.
Ok, tell me 5 trade guilds with merchant locations which I can just casually join without commitments.
Why don't you just go to the market in a few cities, see what guilds have merchants there (and alternatively, how good their selection is) and then apply to join those that you find to your liking?0 -
SFBryan18✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, I want something better.
Why don't you just go to the market in a few cities, see what guilds have merchants there (and alternatively, how good their selection is) and then apply to join those that you find to your liking?
How exactly do you propose I apply? Is there an application anywhere in the game? Do you know any specific guilds that you are sure have kiosks and accept anyone, or are you just making assumptions like everyone else? Why don't you give me some real advice about real guilds? If they are so easy to find and apply to, it should be easy for you to tell me.Edited by SFBryan18 on September 4, 2014 11:11AM4 -
Nazon_Katts✭✭✭✭✭Yes, I want something better.I think we can kinda work with the kiosks as a base, but the system needs an overhaul and a lot of improvements so asynchronous trade is accessible for everyone without the current economic disparity, but still keeping the spirit of a medieval trade fair or bazaar."You've probably figured that out by now. Let's hope so. Or we're in real trouble... and out come the intestines. And I skip rope with them!"3 -
Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, I like the current system.
How exactly do you propose I apply? Is there an application anywhere in the game? Do you know any specific guilds that you are sure have kiosks and accept anyone, or are you just making assumptions like everyone else? Why don't you give me some real advice about real guilds? If they are so easy to find and apply to, it should be easy for you to tell me.
I was not making assumptions, i was attempting to offer you advice. But now i think it was a wasted effort.7 -
Mendoze✭✭✭Yes, I want something better.I hope ZOS is at least planning to make improvements to current trading system. I can live with current filters, they do their job just fine, but I hate it when I have to make same searches in several guild stores over and over again when I'm trying to find items for example for research. It's even worse when your own trading guilds don't have the item your are looking for. Then you have to travel to different cities in your search. Trading should have a global trading house or something similar in my opinion. This would also help traders when their wares would have bigger customer base.1 -
ItsGlaive✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, I like the current system.
Ok, tell me 5 trade guilds with merchant locations which I can just casually join without commitments.
Try searching on google, or tesof, or any of the other websites listing guilds - including this one. Or you know, zone chat works pretty well for this too.
At this point you're putting up barriers every time someone offers you some advice because you've already made your mind up.Allow cross-platform transfers and merges7 -
SFBryan18✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, I want something better.
I was not making assumptions, i was attempting to offer you advice. But now i think it was a wasted effort.
If you want to give advice, please give specific information about which guilds with kiosks take random players. You did originally say a player could have 5 trading guilds with kiosks, so please give more details about where to sign up. It seems the common statement that 'anyone can join these guilds' is thrown around too easily without any real proof. I am all ears for 5 trade guilds that have kiosks to take me in with no questions asked. Please go on.
Try searching on google, or tesof, or any of the other websites listing guilds - including this one. Or you know, zone chat works pretty well for this too.
At this point you're putting up barriers every time someone offers you some advice because you've already made your mind up.
No. I have searched. If you people are going to say they are easy to find and get into, then it should be easy for you to prove this by providing the information on exactly who and where. If you can't, then please don't make these statements to back up your logic.
What you are attempting to do is pass the burden of proof onto me after making certain statements without proof. If I said UFO's were real, and you asked for proof, what would it mean if I told you to use Google?Edited by SFBryan18 on September 4, 2014 2:50PM4 -
SFBryan18✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, I want something better.It's not advise. It's assumption that anyone can search Google and find a guild with a kiosk which will take them or any other random player. Prove it. If they're so easy to find, post the links.Edited by SFBryan18 on September 4, 2014 4:12PM4 -
spoqster✭✭✭✭✭Yes, I want something better.For ideas on how to improve it without going all the way to a global AH see this thread: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/129928/improving-eso-s-trading-system4 -
ItsGlaive✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, I like the current system.It's not advise. It's assumption that anyone can search Google and find a guild with a kiosk which will take them or any other random player. Prove it. If they're so easy to find, post the links.
Proof or gtfo.
Proof that Google can provide search results? What are you smoking? Check the websites (of which there are many, which you'd know if we had something akin to a search engine in this days and age). Stop complaining and telling other ppl to do the work for you.
Edit: But for arguments sake, here's a place to start: https://www.google.co.uk/search?site=&source=hp&ei=clwIVPnxKIay7AbJnoDwDg&q=us+eso+trade+guilds&oq=us+eso+trade+guilds&gs_l=mobile-gws-hp.3...1949.8315.0.8480.20.20.0.1.1.0.403.4415.0j10j8j1j1.20.0....0...1c.1.53.mobile-gws-hp..10.10.1837.3.tRrAtPzNrOY
Edited by ItsGlaive on September 4, 2014 12:35PMAllow cross-platform transfers and merges4 -
Zarman✭✭✭No, I like the current system.Dude stop spamming the forums, the trading system is not going to change because you are having a tantrum about it.4
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SFBryan18✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, I want something better.
Proof that Google can provide search results? What are you smoking? Check the websites (of which there are many, which you'd know if we had something akin to a search engine in this days and age). Stop complaining and telling other ppl to do the work for you.
You're so full of it. You have no proof that any guilds with kiosks, other than your own, will take random players, and you're trying to BS your way out of it by telling me to go do some work. I never implied they were easy to get into, you did. If they are easy to get into, then you should be able to provide the name of the guilds that are accepting members and have kiosks. If you can't, then don't respond to a question asking for the names of 5 guilds with kiosks that take random players. I'm not going to Google search again. If this community can't prove it's easy to get into a guild with a kiosk, we can all just assume it's not easy because it would be easy to say the names if they existed.Edited by SFBryan18 on September 4, 2014 12:38PM3
