Official Discussion Thread for "Update 45 Preview—Fallen Banners"

ZOS_Kevin · January 9

This is the official discussion thread for, "Update 45 Preview—Fallen Banners"

"Learn more about the upcoming Update 45 base-game patch and the new Fallen Banners dungeon DLC."

n333rs · January 9

You're like going to make the game worse and I'm worried about it

n333rs · January 9

Every time you change anything of any sort it is usually a worry about just how much worse the game will feel due to your changes.

CoolBlast3 · January 9

Looking forward to this!
The QoL changes are incredible, all good and not a single bad there.
PvP Testing i'm cautiously optimistic. Worst case scenario it's only a week and either way it'll hopefully carve a path for the future.
Dungeons look fun! I see they're not available for crowns and are ESO+ only for now. I'm guessing this will be the MO for "seasonal content", giving ESO+ priority. I'm fine with that honestly, doesn't change much.

All in all, optimistic for the future!

Erissime · January 9

I liked the stream and the announcements. Nice life-improvements, and I like how the dungeons edge on the Cyrodiil stories. Even if it's pve content, at least it has the feeling that that place is not abandoned. Thank you zos.

LunaFlora · January 9

Very much looking forward to update 45.
i love the visual updates and the homes.

it's awesome that Skingrad Castle will be a home 🩷
and the Mirrormoor home looks beautiful.

edited to add:
the dungeons look fun,
love that they are related to the Three Banners War.

the Vengeance Cyrodiil campaign seems interesting, can't wait to see it live.

And love that consoles are getting Add-ons.

TaSheen · January 9

Oh my goddesses! Just the change to green CP alone is making me the happiest camper EVER! I'm not into dungeons but those do sound more interesting than many in the past (no, I'm just not ever going to do that kind of content again.... too old now, sorry).

The Cyro stuff sounds interesting too, not that I do any pvp these days. Still, sounding good guys!

fizl101 · January 9

As a console player I am very excited by alot of this, the map looks amazing

I hope the pvp test works well, limiting the build may help bring in people who are very daunted trying to make a build and survive in Cyro

anadandy · January 9

TaSheen wrote: »

Oh my goddesses! Just the change to green CP alone is making me the happiest camper EVER!!

For real, I have been grumpy about those green stars that used to be skill line passives becoming slottable since Champ 2.0. No more "Argh! I FORGOT TO SWITCH MY STARS!"

TaSheen · January 9

anadandy wrote: »

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TaSheen wrote: »

Oh my goddesses! Just the change to green CP alone is making me the happiest camper EVER!!

For real, I have been grumpy about those green stars that used to be skill line passives becoming slottable since Champ 2.0. No more "Argh! I FORGOT TO SWITCH MY STARS!"

TRUTH!!

Elvenheart · January 9

TaSheen wrote: »

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anadandy wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

Oh my goddesses! Just the change to green CP alone is making me the happiest camper EVER!!

For real, I have been grumpy about those green stars that used to be skill line passives becoming slottable since Champ 2.0. No more "Argh! I FORGOT TO SWITCH MY STARS!"

TRUTH!!

As much as I like the look of the new dungeons, the other base game changes like the graphics in the starter zones, and the interesting new houses, the changes to the Green Tree are what I’m looking forward to the MOST!

Edit: She said the nine that were becoming passives, I wish they had listed all of those on the screen because I can’t remember them all now.

Remathilis · January 9

n333rs wrote: »

Every time you change anything of any sort it is usually a worry about just how much worse the game will feel due to your changes.

When they say things are changing, people freak out that it's going to break. When they say it's not changing, people think the game is dead and going maintenance.

Lyraen_Skyforge · January 9

“As mentioned above, if you wish to tackle these two new Alliance War-themed dungeons, you’ll need an active ESO Plus membership. The dungeon DLC will NOT be available for purchase for crowns at launch.”

Has this happened with new content in the past?

This isn’t a good move in my opinion.

JavaRen · January 9

I am 97.3% sure there has never been an update you couldn't buy outright.

TaSheen · January 9

Elvenheart wrote: »

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TaSheen wrote: »

anadandy wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

Oh my goddesses! Just the change to green CP alone is making me the happiest camper EVER!!

For real, I have been grumpy about those green stars that used to be skill line passives becoming slottable since Champ 2.0. No more "Argh! I FORGOT TO SWITCH MY STARS!"

TRUTH!!

As much as I like the look of the new dungeons, the other base game changes like the graphics in the starter zones, and the interesting new houses, the changes to the Green Tree are what I’m looking forward to the MOST!

Edit: She said the nine that were becoming passives, I wish they had listed all of those on the screen because I can’t remember them all now.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/8250449/#Comment_8250449

@fall0athboy (post#11) listed 8 of them, wasn't sure about the 9th.

dkblight · January 9

For once, I liked most everything in this update preview. The idea that pvp will be more skill based than sets used. Makes me think of cart racing where everyone gets a standard cart and those who have a knack lead the top.

My question
Will the visual improvements mean new plans to collect for Zones/DLC Zones already released?

Will we ever see new dynamics in housing, such as grappling hook, portals, void portals, fire rock plants, etc. as designs we can craft and place in our homes?

Erickson9610 · January 9

I'm excited for the Cyrodiil changes! I think this separation of PvE and PvP would do Cyrodiil massive favors. Maybe this test could be done again in the future, but with a few more skill lines added?

Sakiri · January 9

I want to see the new houses. I missed the livestream. And the green cp change makes me happy.

Arthtur · January 9

So about clearing the "wayshrines" on the map... its cool and im happy about that but why are u hiding dungeons too? It makes TP to dungeons a lot worse as u have to go to that dungeon's zone and then TP to it. So if somebody doesnt know where the dungeons are and has to check zone after zone after zone.... That rather doesnt count as a QoL right?

And during livestream we could see a "quest" for new Golden Pursuits... and its was about killing 50 Delve Bosses in Rivenspire... in a zone without Daily Delve Quests... Thats at least 250min of sitting in a delve and waiting for a boss to spawn... thats rly not a fun gameplay so i rly hope it was just for testing. And if not then i rly hope u change it before it goes live.

As for dungeons, rewards are average at best, just like always. Mementos for doing dungeons dont feel rewarding. Like u are showing a boss with a cool horse in the article. That mount could be a cool reward. But we get a single skin with 2 mementos sigh...

Except for those the rest looked fine. Tho Cyrodill changes i will have to see on some videos from PTS before commenting.

Veesk · January 9

All of the base game improvements sound great and I'm most excited for the changes they are looking into for the Cyro.

Great looking update so far!

ZOS_Kevin · January 9

Sakiri wrote: »

I want to see the new houses. I missed the livestream. And the green cp change makes me happy.

Here is a link to the VOD for those that missed the stream. @Sakiri housing starts at the 37min mark.

Elvenheart · January 9

TaSheen wrote: »

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Elvenheart wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

anadandy wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

Oh my goddesses! Just the change to green CP alone is making me the happiest camper EVER!!

For real, I have been grumpy about those green stars that used to be skill line passives becoming slottable since Champ 2.0. No more "Argh! I FORGOT TO SWITCH MY STARS!"

TRUTH!!

As much as I like the look of the new dungeons, the other base game changes like the graphics in the starter zones, and the interesting new houses, the changes to the Green Tree are what I’m looking forward to the MOST!

Edit: She said the nine that were becoming passives, I wish they had listed all of those on the screen because I can’t remember them all now.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/8250449/#Comment_8250449

@fall0athboy (post#11) listed 8 of them, wasn't sure about the 9th.

Thank you for the list! I’m so happy right now! 😁

Enodoc · January 9

RomanRex wrote: »

“As mentioned above, if you wish to tackle these two new Alliance War-themed dungeons, you’ll need an active ESO Plus membership. The dungeon DLC will NOT be available for purchase for crowns at launch.”

Has this happened with new content in the past?

This isn’t a good move in my opinion.

Technically this is how Chapters worked, but I would be interested in a more detailed explanation of the reasoning it's now being applied to what we would have previously considered "DLC content".

DragonRacer · January 9

RomanRex wrote: »

“As mentioned above, if you wish to tackle these two new Alliance War-themed dungeons, you’ll need an active ESO Plus membership. The dungeon DLC will NOT be available for purchase for crowns at launch.”

Has this happened with new content in the past?

This isn’t a good move in my opinion.

Don’t believe so. Think it’s a new change.

Kyip · January 9

The change to green stars is a huge positive quality of life change. I'd love that entire field to be passive.

Hamfast · January 9

While I see that the new DLC will not be able to be purchased for Crowns, will we be able to purchase it for Cash (other DLC's have been sold this way)

TaSheen · January 9

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

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Sakiri wrote: »

I want to see the new houses. I missed the livestream. And the green cp change makes me happy.

Here is a link to the VOD for those that missed the stream. @Sakiri housing starts at the 37min mark.

Hey Kevin, no link to the VOD showing....

Kyip · January 9

For the rp community, I think the biggest positive is how the story in the two new dungeons explicitly says the Three Banners War has been going on for over ten years. Real-time progression of the ESO calendar in-game is now canon. It's not all the same year anymore. This is wonderful.

React · January 9

What exactly is the point of trying to reach the old population caps if it means stripping away everything that makes eso combat enjoyable? Do you really think that if you were to impose these restrictions and it fixed the performance completely, there would suddenly be enough players to come anywhere close to reaching those old population caps? I'd wager that restrictions like this would have the opposite effect, reducing the number of overall players even further and rendering the goal of the project completely moot.

CoolBlast3 · January 9

React wrote: »

What exactly is the point of trying to reach the old population caps if it means stripping away everything that makes eso combat enjoyable? Do you really think that if you were to impose these restrictions and it fixed the performance completely, there would suddenly be enough players to come anywhere close to reaching those old population caps? I'd wager that restrictions like this would have the opposite effect, reducing the number of overall players even further and rendering the goal of the project completely moot.

It's a singular week meant for TESTING and DATA-GATHERING purposes. They outright said it's not their plans for Cyrodiil during the stream. They're TESTING.

the90thmeridian · January 9

pls add a synergy to warden ice spikes and the shalk bugs