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How to deal with the spies at Cyrodiil
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xXMeowMeowXx✭✭✭✭✭
✭Are you new to PvP ?? The giant zergs and guilds boost right out in the open and let crappy players buy emp. There is no competition in Cyro, lol.
Except, when you play solo 1 v X and kill the boosters or use small scale to stomp their pixelated guts out....stopping the preordered crowning.
Also, when you get to that skill level be sure to watch them come on here for nerfs. This is where the alliance lock hurts PvP because small scale players and solo players are looking for challenging fights, not cheating for rewards.
Best is to be polite to other players and enjoy your game time by creating a challenge for yourself. Mine is 1 v X open world on different classes.
To your question, you have nothing to report. ZoS calls it creative thinking, so why care. I am sure your called Zerg is hands deep into the muck and mire too.
Welcome to Cyro !!
Edited by xXMeowMeowXx on March 2, 2020 5:27PM2 -
Joy_Division✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yeah, im totally going to buy multiple accounts, multiple computers, sit through multiple ques, and devote my entire leisure time to spy on your PvDooring just so I can get 15k extra gold at the end of of a 30 day campaign...which I dont have to do in the first place because I have multiple accounts and will win regardless.
You've totally figured us spies out.Edited by Joy_Division on March 2, 2020 5:03PMMake Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.7 -
Qbiken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Cirantille wrote: »I am not concerned about spies tbh
Because there are no secret documents or whatever they can give info about like in real worl wars
I mean what can they possibly tell enemy
Trolls are bigger concerns though, they hinder the flow of war. By destroying gates/bridges, stealin scrolls and hammer.
If someone picks up hammer/scroll it's theirs to do whatever they want with, not my business. If I care about the scroll or hammer enough I try to make sure to grab it myself.
And if destroying milegates goes under the definition of "trolling"......just yikes2 -
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virtus753✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭How to report it, and how is it possible to track it by ZoS?
What you speak of is not against the ToS. It is perfectly acceptable for one player to have multiple accounts and be logged into all of them at the same time. As long as they are not using any hardware or software to automate the activity of any of the accounts. It can be done all on the same PC or multiple PCs.
Jesica Folsom made this clear this past December.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6488114/#Comment_6488114
In other words, as a raid leader, you are responsible for trying to weed out any spies from your group. The easiest means is to make sure everyone is following you unless you tell someone to stay back at a keep to watch for incoming attacks. See stragglers not moving and not turning in a quest then kick them from the group.
To be clear: Jessica said having multiple accounts and playing them simultaneously was not per se against TOS (as long as both are played manually). She also said that just because you could use multiple accounts simultaneously didn’t mean exploits or other violations taking advantage of that weren’t still against TOS. It’s not blanket immunity. It would be up to ZOS to decide if using your multiple accounts to spy in Cyrodiil constituted “disruptive” behavior or anything else disallowed.
The practical problems I see are 1) good luck proving it, short of an actual admission; and 2) the best one could do is report it without any confirmation on ZOS’ position as to whether it’s allowed or not. It may be one of those things where they truly don’t care or where they only take action if someone reports it, as with inappropriate names.2 -
nosecookie✭✭✭I spy on the other factions: Don't see why it's so bad. It's very tactical.
I guess it's just most people get mad because the are not on my level. *shrug*
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jadarock✭✭✭✭✭Unfortunately the only way to deal with it in game is to work with trusted allies and out the traitors in game chat where hopefully youll.get the majority to agree that it's not acceptable.
This was a big problem on xbox na until faction lock was implemented so I understand your pain op1 -
jazsper77✭✭✭✭✭I’m actually more Impressed with the small group who faction jump and play the Emp game in Laat. I see it everyday as a do all the town quests.
The map goes Red, boom immediately yellow logs in flips map and immediately blue jumps on. Like clock work. Lol
Why ESO PVP is a joke when players talk about skilll and such blah blah blah
PS- I know bunny hopping around rocks spamming shields is palm sweaty skills 😂😭🤣3 -
bronski✭✭✭What are spies even going to spy on? on nocp eu everybody is stacked permanently ontop of the faction zerg and there are never more than two fights happening at the same time on the map.
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jadarock✭✭✭✭✭nosecookie wrote: »I spy on the other factions: Don't see why it's so bad. It's very tactical.
I guess it's just most people get mad because the are not on my level. *shrug*
Pathetic how far some people will go to win whether it be in gaming or real life ...smh
Also these are the types of people that often have bloated egos
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Levianna✭✭✭How to report it, and how is it possible to track it by ZoS?
What you speak of is not against the ToS. It is perfectly acceptable for one player to have multiple accounts and be logged into all of them at the same time. As long as they are not using any hardware or software to automate the activity of any of the accounts. It can be done all on the same PC or multiple PCs.
What if this player wants to discredit you like that as a leader, so permanently gives info of your movements during longer period, and with more and more loses your group becomes more and more suspicious that you are actually bad leader, that you might be spy?
Shortly, what if someone harasses you like that? *idea*
There's no Higher... not outside the man.2 -
Rave the Histborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭biminirwb17_ESO wrote: »How do you think that FC was found so easily.
Given the very limited number of places around a Keep where you can place FCs, it is hardly surprising when any FC is taken down quickly. It is only a matter of some experience to know exactly where all those spots are for any Keep/Outpost on the map.
This. There's key locations that most players use because they are the best distance to and from a keep. If you've played Cyro for a little bit it's actually pretty easy to figure out.3 -
oXI_Viper_IXo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭nosecookie wrote: »I spy on the other factions: Don't see why it's so bad. It's very tactical.
I guess it's just most people get mad because the are not on my level. *shrug*
That's pretty desperate, mate.6 -
Salvas_Aren✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Spying would be perfectly fine for me if the game had a mechanic to turn a spy into a wanted man, a traitor expelled from the alliance and free to kill by all alliances.3 -
Tigerseye✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »nosecookie wrote: »I spy on the other factions: Don't see why it's so bad. It's very tactical.
I guess it's just most people get mad because the are not on my level. *shrug*
That's pretty desperate, mate.
Desperate, or not, it happens all the time and he certainly won't be the only one.1 -
Tigerseye✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Unfortunately the only way to deal with it in game is to work with trusted allies and out the traitors in game chat where hopefully youll.get the majority to agree that it's not acceptable.
This was a big problem on xbox na until faction lock was implemented so I understand your pain op
Going by GW2, the majority not approving is neither here, nor there, for these people.
Also, quite often it is the commanders who are the spies, feeding your team to the other team (or vice versa).
Whole thing is fixed, a lot of the time.
Win trading etc..
They think the rest of us are idiots and haven't figured it out.
Sometimes the spy characters stand at the bases openly laughing at players respawning, after being ganked, by their (real) team(s).
The whole thing is pretty juvenile.Edited by Tigerseye on March 2, 2020 7:24PM0 -
oXI_Viper_IXo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »nosecookie wrote: »I spy on the other factions: Don't see why it's so bad. It's very tactical.
I guess it's just most people get mad because the are not on my level. *shrug*
That's pretty desperate, mate.
Desperate, or not, it happens all the time and he certainly won't be the only one.
So if all alliances have people spying and everyone knows it, does anyone really gain anything? I doubt it.
It's not difficult to read the map and anticipate the enemy factions' movements, so I don't really see the point in this.0 -
max_only✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭EP proudly announces they spy on DC on Pc/na Kaal.
It happens and there’s nothing we can do about it. Just keep your strategic maneuvers to group or whisper other raid leaders you trust.#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
#OppositeResourceSiphoningAttacks
|| CP 1000+ || PC/NA || GUILDS: LWH; IA; CH; XA
""All gods' creatures (you lot) are equal when covered in A1 sauce"" -- Old Bosmeri Wisdom0 -
Tigerseye✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭SoXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »nosecookie wrote: »I spy on the other factions: Don't see why it's so bad. It's very tactical.
I guess it's just most people get mad because the are not on my level. *shrug*
That's pretty desperate, mate.
Desperate, or not, it happens all the time and he certainly won't be the only one.
So if all alliances have people spying and everyone knows it, does anyone really gain anything? I doubt it.
It's not difficult to read the map and anticipate the enemy factions' movements, so I don't really see the point in this.
You would have to ask them, but it clearly makes it easier to ensure a lot of "bags" (in the case of GW2) and/or a win for the chosen side; otherwise they wouldn't bother.0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭How to report it, and how is it possible to track it by ZoS?
What you speak of is not against the ToS. It is perfectly acceptable for one player to have multiple accounts and be logged into all of them at the same time. As long as they are not using any hardware or software to automate the activity of any of the accounts. It can be done all on the same PC or multiple PCs.
Jesica Folsom made this clear this past December.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6488114/#Comment_6488114
In other words, as a raid leader, you are responsible for trying to weed out any spies from your group. The easiest means is to make sure everyone is following you unless you tell someone to stay back at a keep to watch for incoming attacks. See stragglers not moving and not turning in a quest then kick them from the group.
To be clear: Jessica said having multiple accounts and playing them simultaneously was not per se against TOS (as long as both are played manually). She also said that just because you could use multiple accounts simultaneously didn’t mean exploits or other violations taking advantage of that weren’t still against TOS. It’s not blanket immunity. It would be up to ZOS to decide if using your multiple accounts to spy in Cyrodiil constituted “disruptive” behavior or anything else disallowed.
The practical problems I see are 1) good luck proving it, short of an actual admission; and 2) the best one could do is report it without any confirmation on ZOS’ position as to whether it’s allowed or not. It may be one of those things where they truly don’t care or where they only take action if someone reports it, as with inappropriate names.
Thank you for reinforcing exactly how I characterized what Jessica said I kept her words in a perfect context which you clearly agree that as long as we play the accounts manually it is acceptable.
Clearly, if someone found a way means that was a true exploit that would be an issue but spying is not an exploit. Since it is not very easy to manually control two accounts simultaneously what OP has mentioned would be both rare and easy to detect.
If a "leader" who pugs players for their group does not notice the extremely obvious sign that a player is not keeping up with the group then they are not a very good leader. I would suggest that anyone in such a pug group find someone else to run with because a good leader will pay attention and kick those that are not helping their group. It really is that simple and does not take being an armchair developer.0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭How to report it, and how is it possible to track it by ZoS?
What you speak of is not against the ToS. It is perfectly acceptable for one player to have multiple accounts and be logged into all of them at the same time. As long as they are not using any hardware or software to automate the activity of any of the accounts. It can be done all on the same PC or multiple PCs.
What if this player wants to discredit you like that as a leader, so permanently gives info of your movements during longer period, and with more and more loses your group becomes more and more suspicious that you are actually bad leader, that you might be spy?
Shortly, what if someone harasses you like that? *idea*
Your comment here is so vague I am not sure if you are even speaking to what the OP has said concerning running two accounts at once. I am going to assume you are speaking to the point OP attempts to make.
Someone manually controlling two accounts at once cannot play both effectively. So if they are actually engaging in PvP on their main account they are not doing much on the alt account attempting to spy. As such it would be easy for a leader to notice a character not keeping up with the group and it would be smart to kick them. It really is this simple and what good leaders that pug players for their group have done for years.
Even if you are talking about a player using only one account and spying on the other alliance that is not against the ToS and is not an exploit. Granted, it would be boring since you are fighting a battle you want to lose but it is not against the rules. Still, another reason why it is best to run with a guild group instead of a pug.
Oh, and BTW, all this is another great reason why it is such a bad idea to communicate plans in zone chat. That is basically you spying for the other alliances.
What is funny about all of this is players do stream what they are doing and not all are very covert about their activities so much of this information is already out there.0 -
bronski✭✭✭
No thats exactly how pvp is right now on pc eu nocp. evevrybody faction stacking and if you go outside the 2 main fights on the map nothing is ever happening.
Beside, the person that started this thread and others complaining about spies are leading groups that easily wipe to pugs half their size all the time.
But i guess its easier to put on your tinfoil hat and blaming spies running multiple accounts on differnet pcs than accept the simple facts op is really bad at pvp .4 -
Alienoutlaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭my guild generally flog them and tie them to the trees by mile gates steal all of their clothes and leave them for the crows0 -
Kadoin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Oh please. I've played on the same connection with my brother, both in two different alliances and we both attack and kill each other all the time. All the lock and other crappy methods have accomplished is punishing players that actually play the game without doing what all the lock-lovers complained about.
Every time I read a post on the forums with this subject matter, I
because I know that if the players were any good enough, even with someone knowing what you will do and a smaller group, it wouldn't even matter. But of course an excuse must be found when players lose in a game you either lose or win, and can't win all the time! 1 -
StaticWave✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭How to report it, and how is it possible to track it by ZoS?
What you speak of is not against the ToS. It is perfectly acceptable for one player to have multiple accounts and be logged into all of them at the same time. As long as they are not using any hardware or software to automate the activity of any of the accounts. It can be done all on the same PC or multiple PCs.
What if this player wants to discredit you like that as a leader, so permanently gives info of your movements during longer period, and with more and more loses your group becomes more and more suspicious that you are actually bad leader, that you might be spy?
Shortly, what if someone harasses you like that? *idea*
How is that exactly related to harassment? Is everything a harassment these days lmao? If someone takes the game that seriously I have to think it's more of the person's problem than the spy's.Edited by StaticWave on March 2, 2020 9:31PM1 -
SenpaiNFT✭✭✭✭nosecookie wrote: »I spy on the other factions: Don't see why it's so bad. It's very tactical.
I guess it's just most people get mad because the are not on my level. *shrug*
@nosecookie id shake your hand irl0
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