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How to deal with the spies at Cyrodiil
Levianna
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I am experienced raid leader for my alliance and already know the ways of how one could spy in such groups, tho one scenario concerns me: a player with 2 accounts at 2 computers/consoles (so IP unrecognizable!) who enters a raid with one account in my alliance and at the same time gives info about our movements via another account in enemy alliance at another computer.
How to report it, and how is it possible to track it by ZoS? That person could also have VPN with secure core possibility turned on at their another account at another computer, what complicated the monitoring system even more...
How to report it, and how is it possible to track it by ZoS? That person could also have VPN with secure core possibility turned on at their another account at another computer, what complicated the monitoring system even more...
There's no Higher... not outside the man.
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OrphanHelgen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭This is where the game have to chose between being competitive or just social experience.
It's many years ago since zenimax found a competitive game to be too much work, so they went all in on cosmetics and community.
Long story short, nothing to do about it I think.PC, EU server, Ebonheart Pact
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biminirwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Quick answer is you can't really do anything.
IP address can be used by multiple accounts, what if more than one family member wants to play?
The only way to stop it is for the PVP community to call it out, don't hold your breath.
How do you think that FC was found so easily.
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Synaki✭✭✭There is no second account needed. Discord/TS is a thing. Anyway, I think there is no point in reporting, unless you are sure it somehow breaks the ToS. ZOS is likely just happy to have 1 more account playing.Edited by Synaki on March 2, 2020 11:10AM9 -
esotoon✭✭✭✭✭
✭biminirwb17_ESO wrote: »How do you think that FC was found so easily.
Given the very limited number of places around a Keep where you can place FCs, it is hardly surprising when any FC is taken down quickly. It is only a matter of some experience to know exactly where all those spots are for any Keep/Outpost on the map.
Edited by esotoon on March 2, 2020 11:17AM7 -
MajBludd✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Pretty crazy to think somebody will go to that extent just to get an edge playing a game.15 -
LuxLunae✭✭✭✭✭I am experienced raid leader for my alliance and already know the ways of how one could spy in such groups, tho one scenario concerns me: a player with 2 accounts at 2 computers/consoles (so IP unrecognizable!) who enters a raid with one account in my alliance and at the same time gives info about our movements via another account in enemy alliance at another computer.
How to report it, and how is it possible to track it by ZoS? That person could also have VPN with secure core possibility turned on at their another account at another computer, what complicated the monitoring system even more...
What can a spy do in ESO? tell you of your location and how much people in your group?....that's all...
In cyro, you'll be hard pressed finding a group of people who don't gravitate towards the BIG BATTLES... nobody is going to give two craps about what you do before a keep is lit...
Nobody is going to give 2 craps if you quickly take the keep...
You can tell these guys in the zone chat exactly what will happen and how.. and they still won't give 2 craps...They will gravitate towards the larger battles...
You may think you are being spied on when there is a crap load of people coming to what you thought was a surprise location... however, it's more likely someone already saw you heading there or guessed your movements when you quickly took one keep...
There is not much strategy in cyro...Its ZERG V ZERG....that's why I was the few who loved the over powered siege bug. Newer players could fend off ANY zerg with a siege and it brought a new element of play...20 -
biminirwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭biminirwb17_ESO wrote: »How do you think that FC was found so easily.
Given the very limited number of places around a Keep where you can place FCs, it is hardly surprising when any FC is taken down quickly. It is only a matter of some experience to know exactly where all those spots are for any Keep/Outpost on the map.
Who mentioned Keeps?0 -
Next step - allow only one Alliance to be logged in at a time, so Firehearts raids can safely PVD?
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ItsMeToo✭✭✭✭✭How dare someone bring Real Life Spying into a game. What is this world coming to?
FYI - There is no such thing as 'night capping' in a world wide MMO.FYI - There was no paid Beta. When they launched the game the Beta was over, even if you don't think it was.FYI - It's B2P not F2P. There is a difference.FYI - It doesn't take any player skill to mash keys or buttons in this game. The ones that stay alive longer have the better internet connection and speed.FYI - The game is not broken, it still works. It just has 'bugs' that need to be fixed.Balance is a "Bad" thing.
Example: There were hundreds of Jedi and only two Sith in Star Wars. The Jedi wanted, "Balance in the Force" and they got it. Now there are only two Jedi and two Sith.
Balance is a "Bad" thing.Is the glass half full or half empty?
I say, "Get a smaller glass."5 -
Salthy✭✭✭I tested this myself by following some of the steps you indicated in your topic and enhancing them some.
I bought a second computer and monitor to test the potential of spying on the other faction by using two different accounts. I then shopped at Ikea to acquire more furniture to accommodate this set-up. My living room currently looks like SpaceX HQ.
Next step was to figure out how to play two independent characters simultaneously without breaking cover. I equipped my spy character with sunglasses and a hat, and the "read newspaper" personality. I then bought 2 bionic arms on the internet, which are capable of spamming light attacks and rezzing at the the nearest keep, two essential beginner player functionalities. So far this character has been invited to 3 EP raiding guilds and nobody has raised any suspicions.
So yeah, I agree. Spies could be a real problem in Cyro.
Edited by Salthy on March 2, 2020 11:27AMPC EU - NO CP / CP camp | Stamplar & Magblade33 -
Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Pretty crazy to think somebody will go to that extent just to get an edge playing a game.
Sad thing is people do some pretty crazy things like this.
In other games I’d just embrace it. No anon, just let it happen. Cyro is a pvp game so letting people know where you are so pvp can happen isn’t the end of the world.
If you focus on stuff like this instead of actual pvp it’s just a distraction.Edited by Iskiab on March 2, 2020 11:23AMLooking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten0 -
esotoon✭✭✭✭✭
✭biminirwb17_ESO wrote: »Who mentioned Keeps?
Even in open world the same applies. If you could put up an FC anywhere you'd have a point, but no matter where you go the possibilities are limited by terrain.
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TheFM✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Pretty crazy to think somebody will go to that extent just to get an edge playing a game.
Sad thing is people do some pretty crazy things like this.
In other games I’d just embrace it. No anon, just let it happen. Cyro is a pvp game so letting people know where you are so pvp can happen isn’t the end of the world.
If you focus on stuff like this instead of actual pvp it’s just a distraction.
Yeh, pc EU no cp DC faction will log into their ad alts, hyper inflate our pop so we can't get low pop bonus, and have their friends log into ep so DC can get low pop bonus. It's sad really1 -
Karmen✭✭✭✭Trolls are more annoying than spies, in cyrodiil.
Most of the time, there is nothing to spy tbh. My alliance is scouting well and communicating well (aldmeri dominion).
You want to attack secretly somewhere and they're here ? Maybe it was just someone scouting the keep.
Maybe someone saw your group riding toward a direction and said it on zone chat.
Spies. omg. who is doing that in 2020 ? You really dont need that.
I am Carmen.
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Thevampirenight✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Maybe pay the spies to tell you whats going on in the other alliances? Pay more then what the other side is paying maybe they will become loyal to your side.
In all seriousness I don't know how you can deal with this. I don't even know if its a bannable offense. However maybe consider asking the spies to act as spies for your cause as well. Could do a type of I spy type of situlation and have a bit of fun with it. *Shrugs*
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✭these kind of spies are impossible to detect, but I predicted that they will be common once faction lock would be established.
So instead of easy to detect spies you now have difficult ones.
Can it be solved? No, because those requesting to "remove" them somehow ignores that spying is an essential tactic in warfare.
You don't even need a second account, as Synaki wrote, discord is the common solution for it.
The whole alliance lock request /anti spy hysteria is simply based in wishfull thinking with a portion of nationalist propaganda phrases ("loyalty"), not something that would actually solve something.0 -
Long_Distance✭✭✭I think your problem only makes sense from a perspective where you care about your alliance standing. Many people don't give a damn.
And as a result especially groups like FC would probably actually welcome if their location is being reported in the opposing faction zone chat (that's why they like to take a random scroll and run around with it for as long as they can). Also, many people then would actually specifically avoid the said location, as it gets old chasing a ball through a keep. Much better fights to be had elsewhere.
So, the scenario you set up can work both ways, either attract or push off enemy players.
If you're a bad zerg who just wants to PvD in peace you admittely have a problem, though.4 -
yRaven✭✭✭✭a player with 2 accounts at 2 computers/consoles (so IP unrecognizable!) who enters a raid with one account in my alliance and at the same time gives info about our movements via another account in enemy alliance at another computer.
Aaaaaaaah, Godslayer? Gryphon heart? Pls... On PVP we have the true end-game
Jack of all trades. Master of at least one.
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DivineFirstYOLO✭✭✭✭Nobody cares where bad zerglings are going and what they are doing. That's why spying is not a problem.Pretty crazy to think somebody will go to that extent just to get an edge playing a game.
Sad thing is people do some pretty crazy things like this.
In other games I’d just embrace it. No anon, just let it happen. Cyro is a pvp game so letting people know where you are so pvp can happen isn’t the end of the world.
If you focus on stuff like this instead of actual pvp it’s just a distraction.
Yeh, pc EU no cp DC faction will log into their ad alts, hyper inflate our pop so we can't get low pop bonus, and have their friends log into ep so DC can get low pop bonus. It's sad really
Yeah right, how often did AD get low pop bonus when alliances where locked? About 0 times. To blame it now on other factions is hypocrisy. Stop zerging so hard and join the underdogs if you want low pop bonus.Zerg Squad
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Levianna✭✭✭Insightfull and all right, thanks for the answers/comments!
"Holes" in the "law" always existed and always will seem so, except someone doesn't invent the other people mind reading machine. 😀
At least that's what makes pvp less boring (read predictible) - if we watch it from positive perspective - but real time Fox channel scenario! 😎Edited by Levianna on March 2, 2020 11:53AMThere's no Higher... not outside the man.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭biminirwb17_ESO wrote: »How do you think that FC was found so easily.
Given the very limited number of places around a Keep where you can place FCs, it is hardly surprising when any FC is taken down quickly. It is only a matter of some experience to know exactly where all those spots are for any Keep/Outpost on the map.
Pretty much sums it up. It's the price paid by wrangling up just anybody to zerg empty keeps.
I'm not sold that it's a common thing; but I have told people not in our group some far off keep when they started asking before. I both felt bad and was highly entertained when the 1 guy started their assault solo on an enemy trikeep
There are a lot of players to go around though that watch keeps or can stumble upon a camp you think is well hidden.Edited by technohic on March 2, 2020 11:54AM1 -
MishMash✭✭✭✭Competition of all kinds has spies to gather intelligence on their opponents. It just is part of life and in-game. To somewhat combat the issue it would require a group of tested and trusted individuals in private comms. Even then there will always be stealthy enemies out there (that you did not even see) that will catch you in the act or spot you on your way to an objective, and report it to their faction.
I am friendly with several people that play different factions, and most of them switch factions for each new campaign. Just one example -- they did tell me their faction is about to attack one of our keeps along with info on estimated numbers of the enemy, and tactics! Why? They did not agree with their factions high numbers and that hitting us 10 to 1, was not challenging enough which bored them. They wanted me to alert my faction to bring more to the fight.
My point is that all factions have traitors/spies, and various reasons as to why they do what they do. Sadly, we will not stop it.PC NA DC 4eva! I try my very best. If it is not good enough for you too bad! Playing off and on since April 2014 CP2009.2 -
BackStabeth✭✭✭✭✭I am experienced raid leader for my alliance and already know the ways of how one could spy in such groups, tho one scenario concerns me: a player with 2 accounts at 2 computers/consoles (so IP unrecognizable!) who enters a raid with one account in my alliance and at the same time gives info about our movements via another account in enemy alliance at another computer.
How to report it, and how is it possible to track it by ZoS? That person could also have VPN with secure core possibility turned on at their another account at another computer, what complicated the monitoring system even more...
Lol, if someone is that freakishly obsessed with PvP, then you don't want to be engaging in PvP anyway. That is ludicrous, seriously, are there people who PvP that obsessed with PvP on ESO? Really? What a joke!
ESO PvP is not serious PvP, it's a joke. After almost exclusively playing PvP in MMOs for over 20 years, I can honestly say that PvP in ESO is not even close to being even mediocre. Next people will be talking about being swatted.
It's ESO, I seriously doubt anyone is so serious about PvP that they are going to invest the time, effort and energy it would take to "spy" hahahaha. Really, what benefit would there be? They don't get your gear, or anything of any significant value, so what in the world would be the point?Edited by BackStabeth on March 2, 2020 12:57PM5 -
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✭✭Best thing to do is just not worry about it. You and your group keep doing the best you can and just enjoy the game. If you're genuinely worried about scroll trolls just make sure someone from your group grabs it first if you can.
I've seen tons of people getting angry in zone chat because of "spies" real or imagined. Typically someone from the other factions will happen to be in the right place at the right time. See that empty field near the keep you just rode out of? There's about 10 opposing nightblades from both factions stealthed up waiting to Xv1 any hapless solo player that wanders their way.-
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Or sometimes in group chat, oh boy that was awkward.I've seen tons of people getting angry in zone chat because of "spies" real or imagined.
Back when I had just started to get into PVP, I got a group invite while assisting in a keep defense. Now I never really sought out groups myself, preferring to be awful on my own as to not drag anyone down with me, but I didn’t want to be impolite and wasn’t sure about proper Cyro etiquette in this situation, so I accepted.
The first part was okay, learned a bunch of new stuff and thought the leader was pretty good at herding a bunch of us randos into doing something cooperative and productive. Then after a failed keep assault, oh my did he start getting really paranoid and went on and on about spies foiling his plans. Awesome first Cyro group experience, let me tell you. 😬
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