AyelineESO wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

Plague Doctor > Heartland.
Blade Cloak is good in GvG but doesn't help for long fights against zergs.
For mitigation the Warden Permafrost is really great and definetly worth running.
I don't think its possible to tank through an enemy raid bombing you. The goal is either openfield avoiding damage by spreading out or in close spaces killing them first. 6 storms will melt you when you get negated.

It's a rare thing for us to come across 6 well stacked storms. We've been running a destro/proxy group for awhile and we just decided to try to counter what we (and other groups like us) are doing. It's not that we dislike the playstyle, but it seems like the only counter to the group setup is the same thing, making it a matter of who hits first and who hits better, so we wanted to try a different tack.
Whether or not it's possible to survive an enemy bombing raid will definitely depend on the quality of the raid. Right now the group is looking like ~30-35k health on the DDs with damage heavily reliant on procs and coordinated Dawnbreakers. Well still need negate runners, AOE heals, HoTs etc. This definitely looks like more of a baiting group than an offensive group. Plague Doctor is an option, but we'll test out Heartland/Blade Cloak first.
I'm not hopeful that we can swim in the full duration of multiple storms, but maybe we can live through the first couple of stacked ticks, and long enough to kill the storms.
Quick Cloak is as much for personal Expedition as it is for AoE mitigation, and multiple Steel Tornados will be good as stam AoE damage/executes...not on par with magicka AoE, but it'll be something different.
Chances are we'll just go out and die for a night.

While I think trying to find a counter for bombgroups and trying to improve your own groupplay is a good thing, I'd advice you to not try out bladecloak on maneuverbuild atleast. Im not sure If its intended or not but since morrowind patch every damaging ability bugs maneuver for the caster. You still get the speed effect of the skill but the snare/root removal effect wont apply to yourself anymore + it feels like you are only giving the first effect (major expedition) to your group aswell once after its bugged. Im saying bugged because you actually get the snare removal effect of it after not refreshing maneuver for ~10 seconds + not casting bladecloak, hurricane or whatever you run that causes damage "passively". Bladecloak was - atleast for me, the main reason why maneuver bugged out for me. Maneuver wasnt working properly 75-80% of the time for me so I decided to not use it anymore because I only got stuck in the back ... As a maneuverbuild lol. Same with hurricane. Not as bad as bladecloak tho. I never had this before + I checked the patch notes a few times but couldnt find anything regarding this so I am sure there is something buggy about it.

So it's the combination of Blade Cloak and Maneuver being cast by one player? Right now, in our group (probably common) sorc tanks run Negate and Maneuvers and probably won't use Blade Cloak themselves since they survive storms fairly well already, but that's good to know.
Maneuver breaking on damage is always a pain. I don't think this stam-based group is going to be able to run the way a destro group runs. If it works at all, it's going to have to play defensively more than offensively. More of a meat-grinder trying to coax the destro train into it.

AyelineESO wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

AyelineESO wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

Plague Doctor > Heartland.
Blade Cloak is good in GvG but doesn't help for long fights against zergs.
For mitigation the Warden Permafrost is really great and definetly worth running.
I don't think its possible to tank through an enemy raid bombing you. The goal is either openfield avoiding damage by spreading out or in close spaces killing them first. 6 storms will melt you when you get negated.

It's a rare thing for us to come across 6 well stacked storms. We've been running a destro/proxy group for awhile and we just decided to try to counter what we (and other groups like us) are doing. It's not that we dislike the playstyle, but it seems like the only counter to the group setup is the same thing, making it a matter of who hits first and who hits better, so we wanted to try a different tack.
Whether or not it's possible to survive an enemy bombing raid will definitely depend on the quality of the raid. Right now the group is looking like ~30-35k health on the DDs with damage heavily reliant on procs and coordinated Dawnbreakers. Well still need negate runners, AOE heals, HoTs etc. This definitely looks like more of a baiting group than an offensive group. Plague Doctor is an option, but we'll test out Heartland/Blade Cloak first.
I'm not hopeful that we can swim in the full duration of multiple storms, but maybe we can live through the first couple of stacked ticks, and long enough to kill the storms.
Quick Cloak is as much for personal Expedition as it is for AoE mitigation, and multiple Steel Tornados will be good as stam AoE damage/executes...not on par with magicka AoE, but it'll be something different.
Chances are we'll just go out and die for a night.

While I think trying to find a counter for bombgroups and trying to improve your own groupplay is a good thing, I'd advice you to not try out bladecloak on maneuverbuild atleast. Im not sure If its intended or not but since morrowind patch every damaging ability bugs maneuver for the caster. You still get the speed effect of the skill but the snare/root removal effect wont apply to yourself anymore + it feels like you are only giving the first effect (major expedition) to your group aswell once after its bugged. Im saying bugged because you actually get the snare removal effect of it after not refreshing maneuver for ~10 seconds + not casting bladecloak, hurricane or whatever you run that causes damage "passively". Bladecloak was - atleast for me, the main reason why maneuver bugged out for me. Maneuver wasnt working properly 75-80% of the time for me so I decided to not use it anymore because I only got stuck in the back ... As a maneuverbuild lol. Same with hurricane. Not as bad as bladecloak tho. I never had this before + I checked the patch notes a few times but couldnt find anything regarding this so I am sure there is something buggy about it.

So it's the combination of Blade Cloak and Maneuver being cast by one player? Right now, in our group (probably common) sorc tanks run Negate and Maneuvers and probably won't use Blade Cloak themselves since they survive storms fairly well already, but that's good to know.
Maneuver breaking on damage is always a pain. I don't think this stam-based group is going to be able to run the way a destro group runs. If it works at all, it's going to have to play defensively more than offensively. More of a meat-grinder trying to coax the destro train into it.

Not only bladecloak but all other DoTs a stam sorc would possibly use in a maneuverbuild. I am not sure what exactly they have messed up with either maneuver or those skills but it cant be right that the speed portion of the skill refreshes properly even with those skills active but the snare/root removal bugs out (not always but most of the time). A second player casting maneuver on you doesent help either btw.

And well. Depends on what you call a tank sorc. I wouldnt call myself a tanksorc but an a bit tankier sorc than the usual ones because a real tanksorc wouldnt have the sustain to spam maneuver for an extended period of time.

Interesting. Thanks for the tip. We may be screwing up our maneuvers then. We have noticed that it doesn't seem like it hits the group reliably and this sounds like the cause.

i remember good ol times when steel t tornado choo choo goes and wipes, then you have few stragglers who just pathetically spin to death. so comical to watch.

Rin_Senya wrote: »

kuro-dono wrote: »

i remember good ol times when steel t tornado choo choo goes and wipes, then you have few stragglers who just pathetically spin to death. so comical to watch.

I remember the good old days where you see BB or BM under attack by 20 siege and show up only to find full raid spread around sneaking in every corner or evacuating off the side being too scared to fight XD So comical to watch.

#neverforget

e.g. https://clips.twitch.tv/ArbitraryToughGooseTBTacoLeft

best part about that plan is the rage i can imagine the team having as they need to spend time finding the group to go back to farm filthy zerglings somewhere instead of rush inner, aoe choo choo them to death and then out. at best the cat and mouse game took over 5min i do remember in fact some whispers related to it, too bad back then didnt realize to comment that doesnt it suck bad for spending so much valuable ingame time to hunt one group when instead could be somewhere making hardcore porno movie of self fapping while choo choo:ing.

but to some ppl concept of playing for faction is quite impossible.
In fact> love raid stands for the fact that in combat ppl dont need to worry that we making videos where we crush filthy casuals who dont blob against us, we just want to have fun, and let enemies have fun too. not many of love members were in need to satisfy their egos, tho ofc during 3 years time there been quite few player who have immigrated into elite small scale groups or solo mode or whatever mode.

i have gotten few whispers from guild raidleaders aswell where ppl are say they happy to fight us as we dont ruin pvp, we just play ava purely and only.
ofc there was during thornblade time times when we were gate *** ebons, but that was all part of the bunishment. we dont need to do that. we just dont need to.

Love doesnt know salt, we know redwine and fun and good giggles.

http://galleries.guildlaunch.net/496196/IMG_07494443Pop.jpg look at that picture, can you think of that being having some ego issues? thats love. One of the leaders in Daggerfall Covenant. so tiny ego that it doesnt virtually even exist inside that man. ( whatever that means )

i was trying to build originally four legged spider robot, but sadly due to lack of pieces i could not complete it, i made multiple models of it, smaller, bigger etc, trying to figure out whats wrong, anyway, last friday i gave up, dismantled it, then did that, i started 10 ish am after my serials, then built nonstop for seven hours with couple bio breaks. its not very pretty but it serves its purpose + it can stand but sadly will collapse fairly easily but for that reason i am ordering batteries and the "brain module whatever so that i can get it running. Next month as soon as i get the salary on first week friday will order 10 more motors + couple batteries and pieces worth 800 pound so that i can resume the spider robot project. that sadly means that poor buttler robot will get dismantled

Isbilen wrote: »

DoccEff wrote: »

You create this forum thread only to make fun of QQing pact-players and keep circle-jerking about how good you are

The ironic thing about that is that some of the people in their guild has gotten so far in to the mindless drone mentality that they get 1vX'd when they are only 2 or 3.

You can't even 1vX Amhoteph (and I've watched you try 1v2 her once and fail, wasn't all that long ago either). I highly doubt you've 1vX'd a ZS member.

Besides that, you're rarely not grouped/following a group these days anyway, so I'm not sure when you have these countless opportunities to go 1vXing.

DoccEff wrote: »

Miruku wrote: »

Decimation Elite pleblord talking about respect.

I am done with this game :')

@Lieblingsjunge
Q.e.d.

Wat?