Kleptobrainiac wrote: »

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

Kleptobrainiac wrote: »

defcon.dealer1b14_ESO wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote: »

defcon.dealer1b14_ESO wrote: »

Man, I just can't stop making new friends on the PS4 with VC!! We are rockin n rollin and coms are doing just great! I'm glad to see that the pc ppl are not trying to change the console version with wanting 'spam text chat' Props to you Z for giving the console players what they want..on console.....and letting the pc players have wat they want...on pc.

Sorry to any of my fans, I've just been playing so much, meeting and voice chatting with new and old peeps daily, that I have no time to log in the fourms like I used to I've actually had people with 'disorders' thank me for helping them come out of their shells and talk with me, AND, that they were talking to their shrinks/Doctors about getting off their medication!!!!!.....what a awesome feeling!!!

Good for you.
I have had similar experiences, with shy people being happy to chat.

Best of luck.

Thanks bro!! Send me an invite if you want to hook up sometime..it's in my sig. Just let me know ur psn via pm on here so I'll know its u. I hope I have enough room to add ya lol I make a different friend every time I log in!! We chat and roll for hrs..picking up even more peeps on the way!! In fact, a lot of ppl are starting to use their phones to call friends and family instead of texting them!!! It has brought distant families closer with the personal voice calls!! It's really amazing the good VC is doing for people

Preach on, defcon!

All you wall flowers need to get out on the floor & dance!

Has it occurred to either one of you, even for a moment, that not all speech problems are due to shyness or being a wallflower? I will tell you that Im probably one of the most least shy people out there, no shrinks/meds needed here, but still I find it difficult to use voice. Answers are really as not as simple as you would like others to believe.

It has, for multiple moments even. Perhaps you should share your specific problem. You may change Zen's mind if it's compelling enough.

I doubt it. However, myself along with others who have all types of speech and/or hearing problems, and adding in many others who do not, but still have gameplay issues, such as inability to easily find groups and/or guilds, buy/sell if youre not in a guild, roleplaying, follow multiple chats simultaneously, seek help at a dolmen or world boss, etc should be able to convince Zen that there is in fact an issue here that needs to be addressed, or at the very least, acknowledged. Unless of course, they have completely detached from their players and closed themselves off to any feedback.
Not just because of text chat, but other things as well, I just have to wonder if this is the case?

bareheiny wrote: »

Kleptobrainiac wrote: »

It has, for multiple moments even. Perhaps you should share your specific problem. You may change Zen's mind if it's compelling enough.

Profound deafness, mute, stutter, Tourette's, different language (easier to pick up written words), difficult to understand accent, easily disturbed family, noisy environment.

Take your pick - all potential, and valid, reasons for not using voice.

Call of duty has no defense against these arguments either. You need to get text chat added there. It has s larger player base. Please visit there forums and institute text chat on that game. Any of the argument used here, such as the developers have expressly said no but we don't care, we will just keep asking, and even though a superior communication system exists, we want a more complicated redundant one.

I know this example seems absurd. But try to understand that's exactly what this thread reads like.

Cheers.

bareheiny wrote: »

defcon.dealer1b14_ESO wrote: »

bareheiny wrote: »

Kleptobrainiac wrote: »

It has, for multiple moments even. Perhaps you should share your specific problem. You may change Zen's mind if it's compelling enough.

Profound deafness, mute, stutter, Tourette's, different language (easier to pick up written words), difficult to understand accent, easily disturbed family, noisy environment.

Take your pick - all potential, and valid, reasons for not using voice.

You are correct sir when you suggest peeps with the 'issues' mentioned, should indeed roll a game that already has text chat (I.E pc version of ESO ).

That's your solution? You want to play ESO? Cool! Oh...you're deaf? Sorry mate....you'll have to play the PC version.

I would also argue that deafness, being mute, having Tourette's, speaking another language etc. are not "issues".


With that one post, I have lost a little more respect for this community

Hes not the first to say this, probably wont be the last. Im sure some others must be glad this way of thinking is confined to just a few, otherwise we would never see things such as handicap access to buildings with an attitude of 'Well if you cant get up the stairs on your own, then just go somewhere else'
Im sure there are other examples, but I just sort of lost it, when I read the comment about shrinks and meds. Also like I said, shyness is an unfamiliar concept to me anyway, but I imagine of someone did have such an issue, I have doubts it can be instantly cured by speaking to a stranger in some game.

mrskinskull wrote: »

defcon.dealer1b14_ESO wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote: »

defcon.dealer1b14_ESO wrote: »

Man, I just can't stop making new friends on the PS4 with VC!! We are rockin n rollin and coms are doing just great! I'm glad to see that the pc ppl are not trying to change the console version with wanting 'spam text chat' Props to you Z for giving the console players what they want..on console.....and letting the pc players have wat they want...on pc.

Sorry to any of my fans, I've just been playing so much, meeting and voice chatting with new and old peeps daily, that I have no time to log in the fourms like I used to I've actually had people with 'disorders' thank me for helping them come out of their shells and talk with me, AND, that they were talking to their shrinks/Doctors about getting off their medication!!!!!.....what a awesome feeling!!!

Good for you.
I have had similar experiences, with shy people being happy to chat.

Best of luck.

Thanks bro!! Send me an invite if you want to hook up sometime..it's in my sig. Just let me know ur psn via pm on here so I'll know its u. I hope I have enough room to add ya lol I make a different friend every time I log in!! We chat and roll for hrs..picking up even more peeps on the way!! In fact, a lot of ppl are starting to use their phones to call friends and family instead of texting them!!! It has brought distant families closer with the personal voice calls!! It's really amazing the good VC is doing for people

Awesome.
We should all follow your example and give our mother a call.
My mom never answers my texts.
I would take it personally but she has a land line.

Are you sure its really a landline? Or is she just using that as an excuse?

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Assuming you've been playing for over 15-30 days or having played other games the friends list is going to be your go to.

As you play you can casually talk to ppl as you play to build your friends list.
You can if you choose to, meet and friend at least 1 person every two weeks which is more than enough to jump on and play with.

If your habit is not to socialize, friend, meet and play with others then it will be harder but having text chat doesn't make this automatically go away. Forums, psn, or Xbox forums, social gaming networks and other game forums should have provided plenty of ppl.

There are sites like esolfg and Twitter, Redditt, etc that at this point having ppl to play with shouldn't be an issue.

I omitted in-game options as you've shared disinterest so hopefully a few of those offer opportunities for you.

I've tried all these things. I've mentioned in this very thread that I have in fact. I understand the fundamental aspects of how to meet people while gaming.

I've run guild equivalents in other games. As well as recruited and trained members for those guild equivalents. Not all of them were MMO's and some functioned fine without text chat. I've even been the middle officer whom other members expressed their concerns with. So the concept of interacting with other gamers is not foreign to me. What I have learned from all of this is you need to make sure your message reaches the most people. Then you filter what you're looking for from there. That is why I want text chat in the game. It's a boarder scope. I tried extensively to make ESO work for me without it. It doesn't. So here I am advocating for text to be added.

Plainly your world view is not the absolute truth of others.

So why is the goal for your message to reach a broader audience?
With that same idea, what is it others responsibility to filter out what they don't want but in this topic a situation where ZOS needs to add a way for you and some others to reach more?

I ask because of the many examples of in your description annoying things heard on voice chat in broad audiences

I'm going to be honest your statements don't make clear sense. Without clarification on what you're getting at it's hard to respond.

dday3six wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Assuming you've been playing for over 15-30 days or having played other games the friends list is going to be your go to.

As you play you can casually talk to ppl as you play to build your friends list.
You can if you choose to, meet and friend at least 1 person every two weeks which is more than enough to jump on and play with.

If your habit is not to socialize, friend, meet and play with others then it will be harder but having text chat doesn't make this automatically go away. Forums, psn, or Xbox forums, social gaming networks and other game forums should have provided plenty of ppl.

There are sites like esolfg and Twitter, Redditt, etc that at this point having ppl to play with shouldn't be an issue.

I omitted in-game options as you've shared disinterest so hopefully a few of those offer opportunities for you.

I've tried all these things. I've mentioned in this very thread that I have in fact. I understand the fundamental aspects of how to meet people while gaming.

I've run guild equivalents in other games. As well as recruited and trained members for those guild equivalents. Not all of them were MMO's and some functioned fine without text chat. I've even been the middle officer whom other members expressed their concerns with. So the concept of interacting with other gamers is not foreign to me. What I have learned from all of this is you need to make sure your message reaches the most people. Then you filter what you're looking for from there. That is why I want text chat in the game. It's a boarder scope. I tried extensively to make ESO work for me without it. It doesn't. So here I am advocating for text to be added.

Plainly your world view is not the absolute truth of others.

So why is the goal for your message to reach a broader audience?
With that same idea, what is it others responsibility to filter out what they don't want but in this topic a situation where ZOS needs to add a way for you and some others to reach more?

I ask because of the many examples of in your description annoying things heard on voice chat in broad audiences

I'm going to be honest your statements don't make clear sense. Without clarification on what you're getting at it's hard to respond.

I'm asking why you feel text chat reaches a broader audience than voice chat on consoles?
Also
Why is it others responsibility to filter out text chat on consoles but not your responsibility to filter out voice chat on consoles?

I see you're confused on what I meant.

I'm talking about reaching a boarder audience in game. As in text chat would be zone based, not proximity to player based. Only the players in the immediate can hear voice chat. Everyone in the zone could see text chat.

As to filter I was referring to once the message is out, a person filters the responses based on what they are looking for. If a player said "LF DPS to run City of Ash" and someone replied "I'm a tank for Elden Hollow", they are less likely to pick that person up since they are looking for a different role, for a different dungeon.

Gotcha. Thnx
It also now makes sense why my question was not clear.

*Edit- I would prefer if text chat is added that it be the same prix as voice chat for /say and any general channel conversations (for obvious reasons). Just fix and improve the grouping tools
The other channels such as guild, party would be just like PC.
Alliance chat...I'd rather not see this at all....but rather see more options within guild chat for alliances to merge guild chat voice and text.

Getting groups for dungeons is so much better, quicker and easier with a chat box same goes for world bosses or anything group related tbh, not to mention roleplayers need it and my guild needs it! Not everyone likes VC in an MMORPG.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Assuming you've been playing for over 15-30 days or having played other games the friends list is going to be your go to.

As you play you can casually talk to ppl as you play to build your friends list.
You can if you choose to, meet and friend at least 1 person every two weeks which is more than enough to jump on and play with.

If your habit is not to socialize, friend, meet and play with others then it will be harder but having text chat doesn't make this automatically go away. Forums, psn, or Xbox forums, social gaming networks and other game forums should have provided plenty of ppl.

There are sites like esolfg and Twitter, Redditt, etc that at this point having ppl to play with shouldn't be an issue.

I omitted in-game options as you've shared disinterest so hopefully a few of those offer opportunities for you.

I've tried all these things. I've mentioned in this very thread that I have in fact. I understand the fundamental aspects of how to meet people while gaming.

I've run guild equivalents in other games. As well as recruited and trained members for those guild equivalents. Not all of them were MMO's and some functioned fine without text chat. I've even been the middle officer whom other members expressed their concerns with. So the concept of interacting with other gamers is not foreign to me. What I have learned from all of this is you need to make sure your message reaches the most people. Then you filter what you're looking for from there. That is why I want text chat in the game. It's a boarder scope. I tried extensively to make ESO work for me without it. It doesn't. So here I am advocating for text to be added.

Plainly your world view is not the absolute truth of others.

So why is the goal for your message to reach a broader audience?
With that same idea, what is it others responsibility to filter out what they don't want but in this topic a situation where ZOS needs to add a way for you and some others to reach more?

I ask because of the many examples of in your description annoying things heard on voice chat in broad audiences

I'm going to be honest your statements don't make clear sense. Without clarification on what you're getting at it's hard to respond.

I'm asking why you feel text chat reaches a broader audience than voice chat on consoles?
Also
Why is it others responsibility to filter out text chat on consoles but not your responsibility to filter out voice chat on consoles?

I know this was answered but you bring up a great point in responsibility and filtering content. Text chat has logs that can be reviewed at a later time to apply penalties for misconduct. Voice chat has to be heard and identified live or no penalty can be applied. Add in bots that can scan text in real-time and temp ban thoose using offensive language and text chat is certainly safer for the players to use.

If ZoS came up with a method to moderate players with music blaring, yelling, using vulgar/offensive language, etc. and apply penalties in real-time then I'm sure more players would willingly use voice chat. Instead ZoS' solution is ruled by the mob with almost no recourse available for the affected players other than leaving the chat entirely or having to load a menu and block the offensive player(s), which detracts from open communication if others are forced to do the same. I'm all for voice-only if they took the time to improve its apparent flaws when used by so many at one time. If they are not willing to moderate all public voice chat then another solution is required.

Bruh

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Assuming you've been playing for over 15-30 days or having played other games the friends list is going to be your go to.

As you play you can casually talk to ppl as you play to build your friends list.
You can if you choose to, meet and friend at least 1 person every two weeks which is more than enough to jump on and play with.

If your habit is not to socialize, friend, meet and play with others then it will be harder but having text chat doesn't make this automatically go away. Forums, psn, or Xbox forums, social gaming networks and other game forums should have provided plenty of ppl.

There are sites like esolfg and Twitter, Redditt, etc that at this point having ppl to play with shouldn't be an issue.

I omitted in-game options as you've shared disinterest so hopefully a few of those offer opportunities for you.

I've tried all these things. I've mentioned in this very thread that I have in fact. I understand the fundamental aspects of how to meet people while gaming.

I've run guild equivalents in other games. As well as recruited and trained members for those guild equivalents. Not all of them were MMO's and some functioned fine without text chat. I've even been the middle officer whom other members expressed their concerns with. So the concept of interacting with other gamers is not foreign to me. What I have learned from all of this is you need to make sure your message reaches the most people. Then you filter what you're looking for from there. That is why I want text chat in the game. It's a boarder scope. I tried extensively to make ESO work for me without it. It doesn't. So here I am advocating for text to be added.

Plainly your world view is not the absolute truth of others.

So why is the goal for your message to reach a broader audience?
With that same idea, what is it others responsibility to filter out what they don't want but in this topic a situation where ZOS needs to add a way for you and some others to reach more?

I ask because of the many examples of in your description annoying things heard on voice chat in broad audiences

I'm going to be honest your statements don't make clear sense. Without clarification on what you're getting at it's hard to respond.

I'm asking why you feel text chat reaches a broader audience than voice chat on consoles?
Also
Why is it others responsibility to filter out text chat on consoles but not your responsibility to filter out voice chat on consoles?

I see you're confused on what I meant.

I'm talking about reaching a boarder audience in game. As in text chat would be zone based, not proximity to player based. Only the players in the immediate can hear voice chat. Everyone in the zone could see text chat.

As to filter I was referring to once the message is out, a person filters the responses based on what they are looking for. If a player said "LF DPS to run City of Ash" and someone replied "I'm a tank for Elden Hollow", they are less likely to pick that person up since they are looking for a different role, for a different dungeon.

Gotcha. Thnx
It also now makes sense why my question was not clear.

*Edit- I would prefer if text chat is added that it be the same prix as voice chat for /say and any general channel conversations (for obvious reasons). Just fix and improve the grouping tools
The other channels such as guild, party would be just like PC.
Alliance chat...I'd rather not see this at all....but rather see more options within guild chat for alliances to merge guild chat voice and text.

When text chat is added you will be able to customize your own chat box how you want it. If you dont want to see alliance chat, then you could remove it. Thats the beauty of it.

And I am assuming you said you want text chat to be proximity based, (thats how I understood your comment) and if so my response to that is , No it should not be proximity based. The whole point of text chat is to reach multiple people at once across zones. This mmo desperately needs such a tool that can do that.

And I want to ask you this. Why do you want so much restriction on whom we communicate with? I dont understand why you would want that, so please explain your reasoning.

Glorious_One wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Assuming you've been playing for over 15-30 days or having played other games the friends list is going to be your go to.

As you play you can casually talk to ppl as you play to build your friends list.
You can if you choose to, meet and friend at least 1 person every two weeks which is more than enough to jump on and play with.

If your habit is not to socialize, friend, meet and play with others then it will be harder but having text chat doesn't make this automatically go away. Forums, psn, or Xbox forums, social gaming networks and other game forums should have provided plenty of ppl.

There are sites like esolfg and Twitter, Redditt, etc that at this point having ppl to play with shouldn't be an issue.

I omitted in-game options as you've shared disinterest so hopefully a few of those offer opportunities for you.

I've tried all these things. I've mentioned in this very thread that I have in fact. I understand the fundamental aspects of how to meet people while gaming.

I've run guild equivalents in other games. As well as recruited and trained members for those guild equivalents. Not all of them were MMO's and some functioned fine without text chat. I've even been the middle officer whom other members expressed their concerns with. So the concept of interacting with other gamers is not foreign to me. What I have learned from all of this is you need to make sure your message reaches the most people. Then you filter what you're looking for from there. That is why I want text chat in the game. It's a boarder scope. I tried extensively to make ESO work for me without it. It doesn't. So here I am advocating for text to be added.

Plainly your world view is not the absolute truth of others.

So why is the goal for your message to reach a broader audience?
With that same idea, what is it others responsibility to filter out what they don't want but in this topic a situation where ZOS needs to add a way for you and some others to reach more?

I ask because of the many examples of in your description annoying things heard on voice chat in broad audiences

I'm going to be honest your statements don't make clear sense. Without clarification on what you're getting at it's hard to respond.

I'm asking why you feel text chat reaches a broader audience than voice chat on consoles?
Also
Why is it others responsibility to filter out text chat on consoles but not your responsibility to filter out voice chat on consoles?

I see you're confused on what I meant.

I'm talking about reaching a boarder audience in game. As in text chat would be zone based, not proximity to player based. Only the players in the immediate can hear voice chat. Everyone in the zone could see text chat.

As to filter I was referring to once the message is out, a person filters the responses based on what they are looking for. If a player said "LF DPS to run City of Ash" and someone replied "I'm a tank for Elden Hollow", they are less likely to pick that person up since they are looking for a different role, for a different dungeon.

Gotcha. Thnx
It also now makes sense why my question was not clear.

*Edit- I would prefer if text chat is added that it be the same prix as voice chat for /say and any general channel conversations (for obvious reasons). Just fix and improve the grouping tools
The other channels such as guild, party would be just like PC.
Alliance chat...I'd rather not see this at all....but rather see more options within guild chat for alliances to merge guild chat voice and text.

When text chat is added you will be able to customize your own chat box how you want it. If you dont want to see alliance chat, then you could remove it. Thats the beauty of it.

And I am assuming you said you want text chat to be proximity based, (thats how I understood your comment) and if so my response to that is , No it should not be proximity based. The whole point of text chat is to reach multiple people at once across zones. This mmo desperately needs such a tool that can do that.

And I want to ask you this. Why do you want so much restriction on whom we communicate with? I dont understand why you would want that, so please explain your reasoning.

Most people were skeptical about the new health bar update being completely optional and fully functional toggle, and that worked out exactly as imagined.

So bring on the text box.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Assuming you've been playing for over 15-30 days or having played other games the friends list is going to be your go to.

As you play you can casually talk to ppl as you play to build your friends list.
You can if you choose to, meet and friend at least 1 person every two weeks which is more than enough to jump on and play with.

If your habit is not to socialize, friend, meet and play with others then it will be harder but having text chat doesn't make this automatically go away. Forums, psn, or Xbox forums, social gaming networks and other game forums should have provided plenty of ppl.

There are sites like esolfg and Twitter, Redditt, etc that at this point having ppl to play with shouldn't be an issue.

I omitted in-game options as you've shared disinterest so hopefully a few of those offer opportunities for you.

I've tried all these things. I've mentioned in this very thread that I have in fact. I understand the fundamental aspects of how to meet people while gaming.

I've run guild equivalents in other games. As well as recruited and trained members for those guild equivalents. Not all of them were MMO's and some functioned fine without text chat. I've even been the middle officer whom other members expressed their concerns with. So the concept of interacting with other gamers is not foreign to me. What I have learned from all of this is you need to make sure your message reaches the most people. Then you filter what you're looking for from there. That is why I want text chat in the game. It's a boarder scope. I tried extensively to make ESO work for me without it. It doesn't. So here I am advocating for text to be added.

Plainly your world view is not the absolute truth of others.

So why is the goal for your message to reach a broader audience?
With that same idea, what is it others responsibility to filter out what they don't want but in this topic a situation where ZOS needs to add a way for you and some others to reach more?

I ask because of the many examples of in your description annoying things heard on voice chat in broad audiences

I'm going to be honest your statements don't make clear sense. Without clarification on what you're getting at it's hard to respond.

I'm asking why you feel text chat reaches a broader audience than voice chat on consoles?
Also
Why is it others responsibility to filter out text chat on consoles but not your responsibility to filter out voice chat on consoles?

I think pretty much every forum poster now knows your views on not wanting text chat, about 50% of the time I read the forum, if I glance down at the topic titles, I see the text chat and your the last person to post

Still of course you have a right to give your thoughts, I just don't think you fully understand where others are coming from.

I've been a console player since I first brought my megadrive, had most of them, all the PS and all of the Xbox except the latest.

I've also been a PC gamer all this time too.

Different people play in different ways.

I don't join random guilds, never have. In Lotro I was in two guilds since the day it came out one on the EU and one in the US, in ESO I joined a guild I found via a forum when I said what I was looking for in a guild. It's a multi gaming guild hence if I do move on to another mmo, chances are my guild will have a presence also.

I rarely use pug groups either (on the PC), I like to group with friends I've made, in Lotro we have alliances with other guilds and my friend list grew etc after I had played with the same people a few times, got to know them and got to like them.

In ESO on the PC, my guild is a very active and friendly guild. We use Mumble when we are doing dungeons and PvP, although I don't always use it in long PvP sessions as I have no desire to sit there with headphones on for long periods of time.

The rest of the time I am chatting away to numerous guild members in text chat. I get to know these people through text chat and only speaking to them occasionally through mumble would probably have meant I had made far fewer friends.

I have two chat tabs, one with zone enabled for PvP, and one with just my guild enabled for general every day use, so I don't see the spam messages from others trying to sell or whatever as I have no interest in them.

Last night I was on Mumble with 3 guildies doing one of the vet dailies, and I could still easily type a quick hello to guildies who log on, and even answer a question or two in text chat in between fights.

At a rough guess, for every 4 hrs I play on the PC, I have my headphones on and use mumble for about 1 hr. The rest of the time I am using text chat to communicate with just my guild.

I have 2 friends on the PS4, one is my son who doesn't even own one, another is one of my guild mates who has recently got a PS4. Up until ESO, games I played online on the PS4 randomly grouped me with people who never spoke, never had their mikes on (or very few of them did) , for instance Destiny, don't have to talk to a soul there but can still happily PvP all night if I want.

When I game on the PC, I'm in the corner of the room, when I have my headphones on and use mumble, I'm not disturbing the rest of the family.

When I game on the PS4, it uses the main TV, I usually have my wife sitting next to me, son or daughter in the room etc and I don't like using headphones. As many others have said, some of the language etc that gets heard through the TV from others voice chat, well if I repeated it here, the post would get deleted. So as far as Zenimax are concerned, it's not suitable for this forum but perfectly OK for the whole family to hear through the TV.

When I play mmos on the console, I want to be able to join a guild and chat away with them without using a mic. When I play DCUniverse, that has text chat that's easy to use with a controller.

My PS4 gaming is very different to my PC gaming.

There has to be a way for different groups in the guild to be in their own chat rooms when they are running various dungeons etc, yet still see what other guildies are talking about and being able to comment, just like text chat on the PC lets me when I'm in mumble..

I get it,. you like using your headphones, my son when he's in his room on his Xbox has his phones on for hrs at a time, he has numerous long term friends he can group with. But not everyone enjoys doing that and I and many others have little if any desire to use voice while mooching about doing things such as a bit of solo leveling or crafting.

I get your concerns, I hate all the spam on the PC but as I have said, I get zero spam as I now just have guild chat showing most of the time. The odd occasion I need a mat I cant find, I enable other chat to see what people are selling but it's one simple click to disable it again.

I really really really don't understand why you have such a problem with it being introduced on the consoles in a way where like the PC version you can customize whats seen hence wont ever see the spam (and you do seem to have a much much bigger problem with this being introduced than most other players).

I hear concerns that if text chat was introduced, voice chat wouldn't be used, surely if that ended up being true, it only shows what the majority wanted. And I don't see how this would affect you even if that did happen, you can just keep chatting away using voice chat to your friends?

For many (on PS4 anyway) voice already ISN'T being used and we are having ZERO communication as we have voice chat disabled for the reasons many of us have already mentioned. I haven't played the console version for ages now for the sole reason of the lack of text chat. If it had text chat I would have brought the DLC, as it is I will probably uninstall it to get disc space back.

I have loads of addons on the PC but I would happily play the console version without them just for a completely different experience and to soak in more of the lore and story, however lack of text chat is simply a big no for me for an mmo, it makes it unusable FOR ME and many others.

Often on forums, it feels like a small group of people complaining, get changes made to the game that the majority never wanted. But I do honestly think the vast majority of console players are dumbfounded that there's no text chat and cant believe they released it without one.

Ojustaboo wrote: »

lack of text chat is simply a big no for me for an mmo, it makes it unusable FOR ME and many others.

Often on forums, it feels like a small group of people complaining, get changes made to the game that the majority never wanted. But I do honestly think the vast majority of console players are dumbfounded that there's no text chat and cant believe they released it without one.

Yes. I agree with you completely.

This game is beautiful and massive. I sit around and think about how much time the devs put into creating the landscapes, dungeons, and ask the little things. Then at the last minute they remove text chat and take away our best option for experiencing that stuff and actually getting to do end game content like DSA and trials. Having LFG text chat would enable us to form groups for grinding levels or gear too. Itd be amazing.